Here’s an interesting update to yesterday’s post. There’s a post at Hooking Up Smart claiming that there are women who get lots of boyfriends and women who get few or none. We all know that’s total bullshit. The post claims that the “least deserving” women get boyfriends all the time but how would you tell “less deserving” from “more deserving” women on the basis of the men they get. This is impossible since all women have multiple men interested in them at any particular time. I imagine something like this is going through women’s heads.
I was hit on by 20 guys today but none of them count since none of them were over 6’3″, looked liked Brad Pitt, made over $250,000, etc. None of these men met any of my 1268 point checklist. Why do the bitches get all the men?
No woman understands what it’s like to get no (positive) attention from the opposite sex. Even Norah Vincent when she went “undercover” as a man for 18 months, didn’t experience what it was like to be universally rejected by women. Her experiences caused her to check herself into a mental hospital for depression. That’s no surprise since no woman has experienced what millions of men are going through each day. If she had experienced the universal rejection from women that I experience, I am sure she would have killed herself. Since we don’t see mass suicides from women (in fact when women “threaten” to commit suicide it’s nothing but a tactic for attention whoring) it’s clear that women all have multiple men interested in them at any time.
The comments to the post at Hooking Up are pretty hilarious too, I.E. “Men love bitchy women!” Which is projection of course. Since women love angry and violent men, they think men must like the same in women.
No kidding. One thing they don’t understand is that a lot of men are just taking what they can get. That’s true even if she’s bitchy or a 700 pound whale. Women are so full of shit when it comes to their “knowledge” of men.
The “bitchiness” they’re talking about is probably what gamers would refer to as “shit tests”. And EVERY woman with a boyfriend or husband “shit tests” her man from time to time, though some do it more than others. Kinda funny, though, to hear women being critical of other women when they do it…
I looked into Norah Vincent after reading what you wrote W & N and it seems very interesting what she did for a year and a half, maybe I’ll read it in the future to reaffirm suspicions I already have about the relationship between men and women. I think it seems like she has pretty much delved into the life of the beta male. I think this made the most sense since this is the kind of life that most men live. She didn’t get into the other extremes, which were omega and alpha because I’m pretty sure it didn’t fit into her personality type, mentality and how she looked after her transformation.
Norah didn’t get zero female attention masquerading as a man, but I’m certain she received far, far less attention than she received as a woman. She’s attractive enough that I doubt she’s ever had to make an approach like men must.
I have read this blog and I’m not surprised women are scared of you. You’re the only common element in your experiences with women. Try getting some psychological help because you need it before becoming a serial killer.
It is truly amazing, the same bitches who dont even acknowledge our existance, unless of course it is to disrespect us, are afraid we will become serial killers. Then when one of us does, that guy gets marriage proposals up the wazoo by these same women.
“No woman understands what it’s like to get no (positive) attention from the opposite sex.”
Women don’t have to worry about men completely ignoring them or having no interest in them; men don’t have to worry about getting approached by people they don’t find attractive asking them for dates and sex. Men don’t have to worry about rape (outside of prison, at least) or sexual harassment; women don’t have to worry about being falsely accused of rape or sexual harassment. I suppose neither gender can truly relate to the problems and concerns the other gender has to deal with.
High status men, unlike middle or low status men, probably do get approached by people they don’t find attractive asking them for dates and sex. The difference is that men, unlike women, don’t find such a thing worrying, and are rarely cruel in their rejections.
I find it unfathomable that women find being approached by an insufficiently attractive man worrying. It’s an approach, not a rape attempt. Be gracious and appreciate the guts it took to do it.
I’m not really good looking or high status, but i get approached every now and then by an unattractive woman… and once in a blue moon by a gay man.. i try to be polite and just tell them i have a girlfriend (regardless of whether or not I actually do at the time)..
FWIW (probably not much), it’s been my experience that gay men take rejection a helluva lot better than women do..
There are some women that get no positive attention from men, have never been flirted with or asked out. They may be fewer than men in the same boat, but they exist.
I actually have one such woman in my family and she is very depressed and despondent.
When women say, “men love bitchy women” it’s because they see men with pretty women who are stuck up and full of themselves. Many men, turned on by physical beauty, will tolerate bitchiness for the other perks that being with a “hot babe” provides.
Getting no positive attention from alphas is not the same as getting no positive attention from men despite women’s claims otherwise.
“I actually have one such woman in my family and she is very depressed and despondent.”
Really? Wow, that sucks. I guess that does happen to a few women, here and there…
Just tell her to walk up to some guy who isn’t getting any action and smile and say “hello”… problem solved.
True in most cases, but we don’t know that woman’s individual case. She may have a disfigurement of some sort.
Many years ago a physically disabled woman had a major crush on me and was not shy about telling me what she wanted. She was smart and kinda pretty from the neck up, but I couldn’t get interested in her beyond that.
“She was smart and kinda pretty from the neck up, but I couldn’t get interested in her beyond that. ”
You neither ignored the fact that she existed not put out for her when you weren’t turned on by her. That’s smart, not stupid and not superficial.
regarding bitchy – i must disagree!! Witnessed more then once a self-confident and outgoing girl steal a guy from away from MORE BEAUTIFUL (but boring) ones around her. I would have the same preference.
though i do thin there are women out there not extremely beautiful, and most importantly (!) without high self-esteem – not much attention from guys.
Solution, i am with Retrenched on that, to come up and say hello, but then the self-esteem issue might be the problem.
W and N, she doesn’t get attention from ANY men – forget about the alphas.
Besides, how may “alphas” exist in real life? Most of us humans are just, well, ordinary.
I’ve heard that the figure is that 20% of males are alphas. Some food for thought is the eight circuits of consciousness theory. Interesting that according to this theory is that being an alpha is just being someone who has a strong 2nd circuit (territorial state of mind). It’s interesting that all a nerd is someone with a strong 3rd circuit (the rational mind) and a weak 2nd circuit. Lot of guys with strong 3rd circuits usually have weak 2nd circuits and I’ve noticed that guys with strong 2nd circuits have weak 3rd circuits. There are a few guys that tend to be strong in both, but they are quite rare.
Personally I’d rather be the way I am right now having a strong 3rd circuit and a weak 2nd circuit than an alpha, but with a weak 3rd circuit (intelligent state of mind). Of course, it would be nice to be strong in both, but of course that isn’t how life works. It’s interesting to note that the 2nd circuit is decided at the age of two and the 3rd circuit around the age of 6. Of course this is just a theory and should be taken with a grain of salt, but it’s still some food for thought.
You can read about the circuits here:
http://deoxy.org/8circuit.htm
DGHOW, your sister is a woman so she can’t be trusted to report accurately about this. It’s clear that you haven’t actually investigated this.
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This says it all.
Vincent asserts that, since the experiment, she has never been more glad to be female
Of course you aren’t going to pick up.
“white and nerdy” as your name, if even you put yourself down why do you expect other people, women no less not to?
It doesn’t make any sense. You’ve skipped ‘inner game’ and then expected results. Generate confidence in yourself, speak to random people about random stuff so you can learn to lose your nervousness and exercise your quick thinking / wit.
So you’re nerdy, that means you’re smarter than the dumb bitch you’re trying to hook into. Use that, in circumstance suggest the women is slightly foolish with a neg, like “you’re ditizness makes you cute”. You complement her but diminish her confidence at the same time.
Also, post a picture of yourself, what do you look like. Perhaps the guys here can see what women would think and give you pointers. If it gets you laid, its worth it, am I right?
Keep up the blog, you have some good content here brother. Everyone has been in your spot before, so we all have good pointers from learning the hard way.
“No woman understands what it’s like to get no (positive) attention from the opposite sex.”
I know what it’s like to get no (positive *romantic*) attention from the opposite sex. I’ve had years and years when all the attention from the opposite sex was either negative (being bullied, sometimes even being called a slut years before my first kiss) or positive but unromantic (being asked to join a group for a group classwork assignment) but no positive romantic attention (nobody asking me out, nobody saying yes when I asked him out, etc.). Several years between when my classmates started dating and my first date, several more years between two dates, etc.
You were able to kiss guys. That’s way more than the omega virgin males here have gotten no matter how late it was. You don’t understand the meaning of the word nothing. There are a lot of men here and many of them are way older than you who would love to have your nothing.
By female standards you may be at nothing but not by male standards. Don’t seriously think you can compare yourself to us.
I was not able to kiss guys. I was able to kiss *one* guy.
“There are a lot of men here and many of them are way older than you who would love to have your nothing.”
They’d love to be 32-year-old virgins?
They’d love to go for years and years between dates?
They’d love to have people claim that 32-year-old virgins of their gender don’t exist?
They’d love to have been accused of promiscuity years before their first kisses, and accused of that by the same people who bullied them for being ugly?
They’d love to have never kissed more than 1 other person on the lips ever?
They’d love to see rants about how everyone of their gender is criminal and deserves revenge?
They’d love to hear about how their having the vote is bad and how their trying to get jobs that doesn’t require sex with the people who pay the bills is unfair “competition”?
I’d love to have never kissed more than 1 other person. I sure would. Any sort of mutual sexual contact with another human being is a clear sign that it’s possible for another human being to be attracted to me, which would tons and tons more than what I currently have in my life.
Your situation is bad and sad and shitty, nobody’s denying that. But it’s not hopeless, whereas it is pretty fucking hopeless for me and other omega males.
In your case, you just need to search long and hard for a man who will accept you.
In my case, I have to search for a woman who will accept me (had no luck so far, am currently 27) and then face the fact that this acceptance won’t last. It never does with women. Sure, you’re going to tell me it’s an unfair generalization or something. If so, kindly provide examples of omega males in long-term happy marriages.
I would love to be a 32 year old virgin. It’s better than being a 39 year old virgin.
I would love to go years between dates. It’s better than no dates ever.
I would rather be told that I don’t exist or be accused of promiscuity or ugliness than be accused of being a potential terrorist or a lunatic that needs to be put in a mental institution.
I would rather have kissed 1 person than 0 people.
If you don’t want to see rants about female criminal behavior or how women wreck employment then stop breaking the law and using your vagina to take over places of employment.
Even as bad off as you may be, we’re objectively worse off.
“In my case, I have to search for a woman who will accept me (had no luck so far, am currently 27) and then face the fact that this acceptance won’t last. It never does with women. Sure, you’re going to tell me it’s an unfair generalization or something. If so, kindly provide examples of omega males in long-term happy marriages.”
Sounds less like an unfair generalization than a tautonomy. When a straight woman’s acceptance of a man who was “omega” does last, doesn’t that make the man she accepts stop being “omega” by definition?
Meanwhile, another tip is to not let it become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
If you someday do find someone who does accept you romantically but assume that she won’t keep accepting you, how long can you *hide* that assumption before she notices verbal and non-verbal cues from you that you don’t expect her to stay?
If someday a woman in my situation who would accept you romantically finds you in her search for a man, how long can you hide your “You’re an entitled bitch who is angry at men because they don’t find you attractive enough to give you what you feel entitled to. And you’re way too entitled to actually do any searching yourself.” attitude before she notices verbal and non-verbal cues from you that you’re actually hostile to her and she changes her mind from accepting you…to feeling that she couldn’t trust you to not leave her vagina bleeding and torn, trust you to not dump her the morning after, and trust you to not tell your friends how ugly she is under her clothes if she went to bed with you?
>When a straight woman’s acceptance of a man who was “omega” does last, doesn’t that make the man she accepts stop being “omega” by definition?
Not really, no. By omega I mean someone who is ugly, socially inept and generally lacks any outstanding attractive features.
Show me such a man in a happy long-term marriage.
>how long can you *hide* that assumption before she notices verbal and non-verbal cues from you that you don’t expect her to stay?
I wouldn’t hide the fact that I don’t expect her to stay. I will hide the fact that I expect her to dump me, but that will affect only one thing – I will never marry her. Otherwise, the expectation itself won’t prevent me from investing in the relationship – expectations or not, I’d rather try something I believe but don’t know is hopeless that just sit around doing nothing.
>how long can you hide your “You’re an entitled bitch who is angry at men because they don’t find you attractive enough to give you what you feel entitled to. And you’re way too entitled to actually do any searching yourself.” attitude
I won’t. If she turns out to be an entitled bitch, I’ll tell her straight away. If I feel any hostility towards her, why the hell would I want to keep her around?
“>When a straight woman’s acceptance of a man who was “omega” does last, doesn’t that make the man she accepts stop being “omega” by definition?
“Not really, no. By omega I mean someone who is ugly, socially inept and generally lacks any outstanding attractive features.
“Show me such a man in a happy long-term marriage.”
Showing you a socially inept man in a happy long-term marriage is like showing you a man who can’t speak English holding up his end of a conversation in English.
Holding up one’s end of a conversation in English inherently requires some English skills. When someone with no English skills can’t hold up his or her end of a conversation in English, it’s not discrimination against him or her for lacking English skills.
Happy long-term marriages inherently require too many social skills to be socially inept. When a socially inept person can’t be in a happy long-term marriage, it’s not discrimination against him or her for being socially inept.
“>how long can you hide your “You’re an entitled bitch who is angry at men because they don’t find you attractive enough to give you what you feel entitled to. And you’re way too entitled to actually do any searching yourself.” attitude
“I won’t.”
So no wonder she wouldn’t stay while you don’t even hide that attitude. IRL, many people who are free to leave actually want to leave and don’t feel safe staying when they get the hint that the other person has that kind of hate/contempt/etc. for them.
“If I feel any hostility towards her, why the hell would I want to keep her around?”
Good point. If you feel any hostility towards women in general, why the hell would you want to keep any woman around?
>Happy long-term marriages inherently require too many social skills to be socially inept.
Well, shit, thanks for stating the obvious. We’re back to the point where you hypothesized that a “woman in a similar situation” might be interested in me. Now you admit that it’s impossible for anyone to be interested in me?
>So no wonder she wouldn’t stay while you don’t even hide that attitude. IRL, many people who are free to leave actually want to leave and don’t feel safe staying when they get the hint that the other person has that kind of hate/contempt/etc. for them.
I didn’t always expect the worst from people. I used to be very friendly, very positive, communicative and outgoing. People taught me to expect the worst from them. People taught me that I’m simply not good enough to be treated on the same level as them. I’m not good-looking, not a good conversationalist and I suck at everything I do – that was the rationale that people who pretended to be close to me used when they felt it in their interest to betray me.
>If you feel any hostility towards women in general, why the hell would you want to keep any woman around?
I would certainly never want to have a normal woman as a girlfriend. Hell, normal people are hypocritical and judgmental as fuck.
But being alone all my life sucks just as much as living with someone who hates you for not being good enough.
So, those are the two choice I have. Stay alone or accept a partner who hates me.
As opposed to women, like you, who have a choice between staying alone and being with a partner they’re not particularly attracted to.
Yeah, totally similar situations.
“Your situation is bad and sad and shitty, nobody’s denying that. But it’s not hopeless, whereas it is pretty fucking hopeless for me and other omega males.”
Technically not hopeless, but close. So that I don’t repeat myself, check out
http://omegavirginrevolt.wordpress.com/about/#comment-1149
and
http://omegavirginrevolt.wordpress.com/about/#comment-1154
Yeah, your situation is not hopeless, but it’s just a bit kinda somewhat close to hopeless, so you want the same recognition as those who really are hopeless.
Why do you want? Enjoy being pitied?
Leslie, have you ever been made to feel like a pedophile, rapist, “creepy” sub-human piece of shit by simply existing within a mile of the opposite sex?
Thought not. I’d trade my life for yours in a heartbeat, purely on account of you being female.
“Leslie, have you ever been made to feel like a pedophile, rapist, “creepy” sub-human piece of shit by simply existing within a mile of the opposite sex?”
No. Have you ever been made to feel like that by simply existing within a mile of the opposite sex, instead of for giving other people verbal and nonverbal cues that you hate them?
Leslie, did you mean to say that often you’re assumed to hate men, just because you’re female?
If so, I can empathize. Unfortunately the bitches ruin it for all, and then men generalize out that “all women are like that”. Often, I will see guys assume that a shy girl is a “bitch” who hates them, when in truth she’s just shy.
I think what Leslie meant was whether forweg had ever been made to feel “like that” when he was simply “existing” as opposed to giving women cues that *he* hates them. It’s a valid question, actually. The great mystery of chicken and eggs.
“Have you ever been made to feel like that by simply existing within a mile of the opposite sex, instead of for giving other people verbal and nonverbal cues that you hate them?”
It’s physically impossible for me to *not* give off supposedly “creepy” vibes, so that is existing for me. They’re equivalent.
I don’t see what hatred has to do with it.
I have a female acquaintance like this.
She’s a 27 year old virgin, and she complains about where have all the men gone. She complains that men only like bimbos, this and that and the other. She complains about not getting male attention, bla bla bla…
To paint a further picture, let me say that she RARELY leaves the house. She’s literally a hermit who only leaves the house when she has to. She doesn’t wash her hair or her face (she’s acne riddled at 27) and she can’t hold a conversation.
Why am I saying this stuff about her? To make her look bad? No, its to make a funny introduction to the following. I’ve PERSONALLY seen her get asked out by guys! She rarely even leaves the house (and these other traits) and she still gets asked out 2-3 times a year.
And she complains about not getting male attention… and being a 27 year old virgin. Its freaking AMAZING. I love women’s ability to “delete men”. Like they can literally reject 10 men, and then claim they get no male attention.
Anytime a woman claims she has “no men interested in her” there is ALWAYS a story like this.
“If you don’t want to see rants about female criminal behavior or how women wreck employment then stop breaking the law and using your vagina to take over places of employment.”
I’m already not doing those things and I still see those rants full of hate against me.
“Leslie, did you mean to say that often you’re assumed to hate men, just because you’re female?”
Actually, no (apart from things like people accusing every woman who tries to earn a living of stealing jobs from men). I was thinking of how some people are assumed to hate women, just because they keep dropping hints about how they hate women.
“Unfortunately the bitches ruin it for all, and then men generalize out that “all women are like that”. Often, I will see guys assume that a shy girl is a “bitch” who hates them, when in truth she’s just shy.”"
You make a lot of very good points here.
“So, those are the two choice I have. Stay alone or accept a partner who hates me.
As opposed to women, like you, who have a choice between staying alone and being with a partner they’re not particularly attracted to.
“Yeah, totally similar situations.”
Do you have any clue how *painful* being penetrated sexually in the vagina or anus can be when the person being penetrated is not particularly attracted to the person doing the penetration? It’s so obviously painful that even a virgin can understand it’s no walk in the part.
*That* is how accepting a partner who hates you can be *similar* to a woman or gay man being with a partner they’re not particularly attracted to
““Have you ever been made to feel like that by simply existing within a mile of the opposite sex, instead of for giving other people verbal and nonverbal cues that you hate them?”
“It’s physically impossible for me to *not* give off supposedly “creepy” vibes, so that is existing for me. They’re equivalent.
“I don’t see what hatred has to do with it.”
Some of the *other* people who give off those “supposedly creepy vibes” verbal and nonverbal cues to the opposite sex do it because they *do* hate the opposite sex.
Think about it: when someone who does hate you and someone who doesn’t hate you both send you the *same* “creepy” vibes, both say and do the *same* stuff to you that makes you feel threatened, how are you supposed to tell the difference? If you assume both hate you, the one who doesn’t misses out on your company. If you assume neither hates you, the one who does hate you has a better chance to hurt you…
“>Happy long-term marriages inherently require too many social skills to be socially inept.
“Well, shit, thanks for stating the obvious.”
You’re welcome.
“We’re back to the point where you hypothesized that a “woman in a similar situation” might be interested in me.”
I hypothesized that *before* your response about how you actually don’t have any social skills. Before, I thought that maybe you were one of the older virgins who does have some social skills.
“Now you admit that it’s impossible for anyone to be interested in me?”
Yeah, after you gave me more info I took that info into consideration.
I know quite a few women like this – those who claim that they get no male attention. All of them have the exact problem which you described, that no guy approaches them who fulfills 1250 points of their checklist.
There is this friend who is particularly a victim of this problem. She is actually a fairly sweet girl, but just seems to devoid of logic in certain situation. Whenever we go out, at least 3-4 men seem to approach her. None of them are ever her “type” or have some imaginary or real issue, other times she will get approached by a hot guy but won’t talk to him because she doesn’t want to be thought of as a slut, then she pursues some dude in our social circle who is already being hit on by 5 other chicks, then she won’t go out to singles events and the like because that would mean she is desperate, she won’t go out with say just one other girl to a bar which makes it easy for men to approach her but instead only in big groups, then she won’t even give guys a chance who aren’t at least 6 feet, then she likes to do latin dancing but there is already way too much competition from other chicks and guys have too many options etc. etc.
So yeah, she has been single for 2 years now! She is actually fairly decent looking and thin, but keeps complaining all the time about how she never gets a dude, how these other girls are so lucky etc.
Umm wow. It seems that many of you actually believe that attraction from the opposite sex is solely about looks. That is not the case at all! I am currently overweight and have been for quite some time. I have never suffered from a lack of attention from men. This is not because I am a hottie because I am not. What I am is confident as a person. Confident in my intelligence and who I am as a person. It took me a very long time to accept my physical self flaws and all, but even when I suffered from image issues, it never really affected my self-esteem as to who I am. Honestly, I believe that men and women alike respond positively to a person who views themselves positively. I am married and have two children. I have been married for a long time but had men approach me even when I was with a group of a bunch of men and women. That being said, I would most likely not attract the attention of a super hot alpha male and that is just fine. All I am saying is that you people (men and women) complaining about lack of attention from the opposite sex should really learn to appreciate yourselves. No one is going to respond to you in a positive way if they can spot from a mile away that you hate yourself.
No, it’s because you have a vagina. You will always have men interested in you regardless of your looks or weight. Whether you want those men is another matter.