Why Are Gamers Against Porn And Masturbation?

Gamers have very strange attitudes towards porn and masturbation.  Gamer, “Strong Man”, thinks porn and masturbation are problematic at a biological level in addition to being against the Bible.  (Of course, we’re supposed to believe him, a gamer, over reputable scientific and medical authorities.)  Ferdinand Bardamu is on some sort of anti-masturbation quest for reasons that don’t make sense.  Obsidian actually claims that because of game he’s hasn’t masturbated since high school.  Is anyone stupid enough to believe that?  Obsidian is in his early 40s which means that he is saying that he hasn’t masturbated for 25 years.  If that is true, then he is impotent, and everything he has ever said is a lie.  (Even if he’s not impotent, everything Obsidian has said is probably a lie regardless.)

Why are gamers against porn and masturbation?  Why would a gamer lie that he hasn’t had to masturbate in 25 years?  The first reason is bragging, specifically bragging about they don’t “need” to masturbate since because they are getting laid so much.  (In reality, gamers aren’t getting laid that much or else they wouldn’t have time to write voluminous posts on blogs.)  The second reason is because of all gamers running a scam trying to sell you something.  The game scammers go after any and all “competition” against game.  Porn and masturbation are competitiors to game.  If you’re using porn and/or masturbating (or going to hookers), then you have no need of “game products” like Athol Kay’s book or game conventions.  It’s all about the money.  If you’re spending money on hookers or porn or getting porn for free or masturbating which is free, then you aren’t spending money on game.  Since masturbation is free, porn is easily available on the internet for free, gamers have to attack porn and masturbation in a bizarre fashion.  They effectively have to claim porn and masturbation are “unholy” because they can’t beat the price of free.  With game so much of it comes down to the money, and this case is no different.

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56 responses to “Why Are Gamers Against Porn And Masturbation?

  1. I think many gamers are against excessive masturbation because it kills the libido and desire to bang new girls.

    Other than that, no gamer I know gives a shit if you masturbate or not.

  2. Not so much a matter with older men but they realize that teens are partaking in it and that’s what’s worrying them.

    But guys, in a society that’s disconnected is it not obvious that the normal interactions that take place now such as Facebook will carry over into online porn? Talking to a friend a while back and he was concerned that his teen age son would rather watch porn than than talk to women in real life. The ease and availability of it not too mention the low quality women and numbers of them performing in some form of porn pretty much guarantee it.

    One other thing to take in and this applies to many men in their 20’s and beyond. It’s not so much that men find it easier to use porn rather than chase women. It’s that the women have shunned so many of them for so long that their only choice is to use porn. And then we these women tire of the carousel guess what? The betas are no where to be found because they’d rather watch porn for a few minutes rather than put up with these bottom of the barrel women. They hate women and they have every right and reason to.

    Speaks volumes of American and the west. But is also is following the path as laid and out written in the Feminism Bubble. It’s not the consumption of porn by men that will eventually burst it. It’s the self consumption of women and the numbers of low quality piss poor women that are rejected by men and end up broke and alone that will.

    • While gamers say porn and masturbation are bad…
      Why don’t they point out to women that chick flicks and romance novels and dildos are bad?

      Unless of course, they’re trying to score points with women… by not actually being better, but by making out other men to be _worse_ without justification.
      After all, the gamers and the players are the ones who get the most mileage pushing their “animal sensuality” “being experienced sexually” along with “aloof amusement”.

      It’s definitely fair if most men decide to go without women, leaving them to the alpha cock carousel they want – given the unrealistic expectations and entitlement mentality, along with screeching hissy fits that women who want equality yet demand men who earn more than them, that is what they deserve.

      • While gamers say porn and masturbation are bad…
        Why don’t they point out to women that chick flicks and romance novels and dildos are bad?

        That’s a great point. I’ve never seen gamers criticize “female porn” – they always defend or justify it as something that “just is”. They always talk about molding around “what just is”… and how you have to accept women’s spoiled/shitty behavior and just “game” around it.

  3. You’re going to need to quote from something I’ve actually said rather than what someone else said about me. I’ve posted a number of times the porn “is not a problem until it is a problem” similar to alcohol use.

    Masturbation is only an issue when a husband jerks off so much he can’t get it up anymore to screw his wife. This is a basic wife compliant about excessive porn and masturbation. Again, this is something I’ve posted on a numner of times.

    I’ve made no secret that I’m writing with the intent for turning a profit. But how you think a $19.99 print or $9.99 Kindle 344 page book compares to failed convention is beyond me.

    The entire point of the book is to summarize basic game theory into a cheap and easy to read package, with special application to marriage and LTRs.

    • You’re going to need to quote from something I’ve actually said rather than what someone else said about me. I’ve posted a number of times the porn “is not a problem until it is a problem” similar to alcohol use.

      Fair enough. I will rewrite that part in a few minutes.

      Masturbation is only an issue when a husband jerks off so much he can’t get it up anymore to screw his wife. This is a basic wife compliant about excessive porn and masturbation. Again, this is something I’ve posted on a numner of times.

      “Basic wife complaint” sounds like BS. How many married guys are masturbating so much that they aren’t having sex with their wives? Very few. It’s more likely that a married man is masturbating because his wife refuses to put out for him.

      I’ve made no secret that I’m writing with the intent for turning a profit. But how you think a $19.99 print or $9.99 Kindle 344 page book compares to failed convention is beyond me.

      The entire point of the book is to summarize basic game theory into a cheap and easy to read package, with special application to marriage and LTRs.

      Since game doesn’t exist, I suspicious of anything game that is being sold. I’m suspicious when it’s free too. Saying “The entire point of the book is to summarize basic game theory into a cheap and easy to read package, with special application to marriage and LTRs” is no different than “The entire point of the book is to summarize basic Scientology into a cheap and easy to read package, with special application to marriage and LTRs”.

      • Hey! You stole my scientology analogy! I demand loyalty fees!!!

        Just kidding :D It really is the most appropriate when it comes to game. It’s the easiest way to illustrate the silliness of game.

        “Basic wife complaint” sounds like BS. How many married guys are masturbating so much that they aren’t having sex with their wives? Very few. It’s more likely that a married man is masturbating because his wife refuses to put out for him.

        This is just more proof that game is gynocentric. The loudest female complainers out there are complaining that their man won’t have sex with them due to porn.

        The reason these women are so loud is because they’re the exception. Those (unsexed due to porn) women know (and feel bad) that in most marriages it’s the opposite. In most marriages the GUY is begging the woman for sex, and she won’t give him any. Women who can’t get sex coz the guy jerks off too much, what’s that, 0.1% of marriages?

        But is the gamer focusing on male complaints (90% + of marriages)? Nope. Game never validates male complaints. Men apparently never have a valid reason to complain, it’s always the man’s fault according to game, he always needs to ACCEPT MORE CHRIST in his life… Sorry, more GAME in his life for he has sinned!

    • “Masturbation is only an issue when a husband jerks off so much he can’t get it up anymore to screw his wife.”

      Then just screw your wife WHILE looking at porn.
      Make her feel real special that way. He He

  4. Fabulous. You publish my viewpoint as the complete opposite of my viewpoint, and follow up with comparing my book to Scientology. This counts as an apology for balant ignorance at best ot purposeful lies at worst?

    If you haven’t come across the issue of women complaining about sexless marriages where the husband has a porn addiction, that may simply be because you can’t perform even basic research. I suggest you start with any of the 1.2 million search results returned for “sexless marriage husband porn”.

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&biw=1417&bih=717&q=sexless+marriage+husband+porn&btnG=Search&oq=sexless+marriage+husband+porn&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=0l0l0l191578l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0

    Disbeliving in Game is essentially a disbelief in the possiblity of social skill.

    • You publish my viewpoint as the complete opposite of my viewpoint

      Which I corrected since you pointed out it was incorrect.

      and follow up with comparing my book to Scientology.

      I compared the whole of game to Scientology. Just as Scientology employs an army of lawyers as its “enforcers”, the church of game employs a lot of guys with time on their hands as its “enforcers”. (Of course, this army of “enforcers” shoudn’t exist because they should all be too busy getting laid to be “enforcers”.) Scientology’s lawyers can cause a person real trouble whereas game enforcers are at worst a minor nuisance.

      If you haven’t come across the issue of women complaining about sexless marriages where the husband has a porn addiction, that may simply be because you can’t perform even basic research. I suggest you start with any of the 1.2 million search results returned for “sexless marriage husband porn”.

      I am not interested in women’s bullshit complaints about men. Men listening to women’s bullshit complaints is how we ended up with feminism and a misandrist government.

      I did a very brief perusal of your google search and it included things other than women complaining about men masturbating to porn like men talking about how their wives don’t have sex with them anymore. It’s not exactly proof of a widespread problem.

      For my entire life women’s bullshit complaints have been catered to so it’s not surprising that women would generate even more bullshit complaints. That doesn’t mean it reflects reality.

      Disbeliving in Game is essentially a disbelief in the possiblity of social skill.

      If game was social skill, then it would be called social skill and not game.

      Strong Man’s blog is hardly a game blog. It’s a religious one about marriage more than anything.

      You don’t have to have a game blog to be a gamer.

      You may as well be upset that “Focus on the Family” is anti-porn.

      Focus on the Family are a bunch of white knights for women. Their anti-porn ideology is part of that.

      • Disbeliving in Game is essentially a disbelief in the possiblity of social skill.

        Disbeliving in SCIENTOLOGY is essentially a disbelief in the possiblity of personal development.

      • “Men listening to women’s bullshit complaints is how we ended up with feminism and a misandrist government.”

        A-fucking-men to that.

  5. Omega,

    One, I think that Athol Kay has some good, useful stuff out there. Two, his book, as I understand it, is a compilation of his blog posts; it consolidates all his information in one, tidy place. Three, game does exist, though I do think it is oversold. That is to say that using game won’t get a short, fat, and bald guy scoring with 9s and 10s; he can though increase the rate at which he scores he scores with chicks in his league and slightly above it. Four, there’s nothing wrong with AK selling a book, especially at such a REASONABLE price. I paid more than twice as much for new windshield wiper blades yesterday! To only pay $10-$20 to have better relationships is money well spent; to put it another way, one date to the movies will cost MORE than AK’s book! Finally, knowing rudiments of game can make any relationship a guy enters better for both him and the woman.

    MarkyMark

    • That is to say that using game won’t get a short, fat, and bald guy scoring with 9s and 10s

      Gamers claim game will do this.

      Four, there’s nothing wrong with AK selling a book

      He’s not selling any book. He’s selling a game book.

      I paid more than twice as much for new windshield wiper blades yesterday!

      That’s because you’re windshield wiper blades will do their job. Game doesn’t exist so any money spent on it even 2 cents is a waste.

    • Three, game does exist, though I do think it is oversold.

      Here’s my clarification on this. Here’s what I personally mean when I say “game doesn’t exist”.

      1) Will the average game idiot PERCEIVE better results after discovering game? YES – MOST DEFINETELY YES

      2) Will he get any results better than PLACEBO – Most definetely NOT

      In my view, the term “game doesn’t exist” is best explained as “Game is no better than placebo”.

      • “Will he get any results better than PLACEBO – Most definetely NOT”

        I’ve often wondered about this myself. That game just makes shy dudes less shy so, not surprisingly, they start scoring.

    • WN, you keep being proven right. Gamer are in fact very often, if not always also conspiracy theorists :d Though that’s a requirment for any cult or faith-based system.

      You have to believe there’s a world CONSPIRACY out to get you, and then this CULT will help you with its SECRET stashed away knowledge to gain an upper hand over the conspirators :D

      From this:
      http://aleknovy.com/2011/06/02/detrimental-attitudes-of-the-pickup-artist-community/

      Feeling arrogant and superior just for being in the Community
      In a general sense, many guys in the Community have that feeling of superiority that comes from believing you know better than most people. They think they’re in an elite class because they have this special knowledge about how to get girls, and about how things really work. They feel above all the guys who don’t possess the information they have.

      This smugness has nothing to do with one’s actual ability to get girls. Guys in the Community can have swell heads whether they’re master pick up artists or complete virgins. It’s that they know certain things that supposedly puts them above other people.

      and

      Being too down on mainstream society

      At the center of its world view the Seduction Community has several beliefs that are negative towards society:

      + Society encourages guys to follow dating advice that doesn’t work.

      + Society indoctrinates guys into an AFC, nice guy mindset.

      + Society gets guys to follow a model of dating that gives the advantage to women, allowing them to be spoiled and to do the choosing.

      + Society gets guys to follow a model of dating that rewards certain types of guys (good looking, rich, powerful), while screwing over others.

      + Society socially conditions guys to be afraid of things that are actually in their best interest, like being able to approach strange women.

      + Mainstream people are generally mindless, brainwashed sheep.

      + Mainstream people are unhealthy and gorge themselves on things like junk T.V. and drinking.

      + Society fears and misunderstands the Community. Even though the scene knows more about dating, the mainstream will never look upon it favorably, because that would mean giving up its hegemony over courtship.

      + Over played analogy: Society is like the Matrix, Community guys have taken the red pill and know how things really work.

      I refer to my previous thoughts about how a particular point of view can be right in some regards, but inaccurate if you try to say it delivers the complete truth about something. I’d never deny society has problems, but I don’t think it’s this monolithic evil force out to make all guys into wussy losers either. Many people do just fine in it. I guess when I hear ideas like the ones above I think of the types of guys who would end up in the Community in the first place, and what their personal experiences of society must be like, and how well they probably feel they’ve done under the current system. When I mull over that question for a minute I’m not totally surprised this scene can be so down on the mainstream.

      Community members can also use their disdain for the mainstream to justify some of their stranger behaviors (“It’s fine that I’m doing this, I’m not plugged into the Matrix and know my actions are okay. I’m not going to be a victim of social conditioning”)

      • It’s not always the case that gamers are conspiracy theorists. I know PMAFT isn’t a conspiracy theorist, and I think The Fifth Horseman isn’t one either. Otherwise, most gamers are conspiracy theorists. Most of them also seem to believe in fad diets and fad exercise regimes. This could be considered diet and exercise conspiracy theory. Based on the fact that they never have talked about it, PMAFT and The Fifth Horseman again are the exceptions. (I’m assuming the fact that they haven’t talked about it means they aren’t invovled in fad diets and fad exercise regimes but I could be wrong.)

        It’s all the same thing, secret knowledge that will supposedly get you an upper hand over the conspirators. If you look at most gamers, they are not getting an upper hand over anyone.

        • Yah, I’ve noticed the diet fads too.

          It seems to be a personality characteristic. The guys who tend to fall for game, also fall for diet fads and super-special-secret exercise regimes, where apparently lifting the weight under a 45 angle (and not the evil 40 angle that the mainstream wants you to!) – will give you AMAZING results.

        • And it’s always the same things with gamers, diet fads, excercise fads, and conspiracy theory. Don’t gamers have any interests or hobbies besides conspiracy theory?

    • It’s because I’m not a conspiracy theorist. Why would porn and guys masturbating be part of some sort of Illuminati/Freemason/Jewish/Elite/Banker/etc. agenda? Next you will be telling me how Japanese herbivores are the result of a conspiracy. It’s so laughable, but this just proves that most gamers are conspiracy theorists.

    • That’s an AMAZING vid, by the way, I just found (courtesy of GeorgeC) the most amazing article about game, here’s some quotes from it:

      The second flaw is that the seduction community never or rarely addresses those things that women are doing wrong. It’s like a child who throws a tantrum and instead of disciplining him or her you take the position that you have to find out what it is they want and give it to them. There’s this intense fear that if you call out women on their misbehaviour you are a chump or weak or unable to take it like a man. So rather than do that many guys prefer to just take the “spoil the child” approach to getting laid. Game is basically a coping strategy for women’s rotten behaviour. If a woman has attitude and is unresponsive god forbid you tell her to open up. It’s your job to figure out what buttons to push.

      and

      This is the pedestal created by mainstream society:

      • Women are delicate flowers.
      • To get women you have to give them compliments, buy them dinner, be a nice guy, and tell them how much you want to be with them.
      • You have to pursue women and win them over.
      • You have to impress women with lots of money, nice car, etc.

      This is the pedestal created by PUAs:

      • You have to game women, figure out what they really want, and then give it to them. Yes, it’s a lot of work but who cares, since that’s the man’s job. And besides, women are not supposed to pursue, since men are the ones with the “balls”.

      • Women evolved powerful screening mechanisms to discern worthy guys from unworthy, and women are very good at filtering out men that don’t measure up.

      • Women shit test men and you have to learn to pass their tests or you’re out.

      • Nice guy behaviour is a turn off, so you need to learn to be alpha using cocky/funny, various seduction methods, dominant body language, etc.

      • There are numerous attraction switches that women need to have switched on before they will want to be with you.

      • You always have to be on the alert because women are always testing you to see what kind of man you are.

      • Only a select few men can become very good with women (most men are betas, or AFC). Getting attractive women is an elite achievement.
      • Women naturally throw obstacles in the way of sex. It is the man’s job to figure out how to overcome them.

      • Women will always cheat with the most alpha guy. Unless you are alpha women won’t respect you. In other words, a woman is only justified in respecting you if she is attracted to you.

      • Be wary of giving women compliments, buying dinner, or being “nice” because she can interpret that as weakness on your part.

      As you can see, PUAs are merely a more sophisticated type of woman pleaser; bolstered by a unique mix of fatalistic, evolutionary psychobabble, where women are concerned. It’s a more advanced form of ass kissing, but behind the scenes instead of out in the open

      http://lifestylejourney.blogspot.com/2010/02/pua-scam.html

    • Here’s some gems from that article:

      The seduction community has two major flaws: The first flaw is that it teaches you the very contradictory message that you have to learn to be masculine and be your own man while catering to women and their actions. So no matter what she does, it’s up to you to calibrate it for best effect. If she wants cocky and funny you better be cocky and funny. If she wants an asshole you better be that too. If she wants entertainment and you aren’t entertaining then she will move on to the next guy who is.

      As you can see, PUAs are merely a more sophisticated type of woman pleaser; bolstered by a unique mix of fatalistic, evolutionary psychobabble, where women are concerned. It’s a more advanced form of ass kissing, but behind the scenes instead of out in the open.

      The second flaw is that the seduction community never or rarely addresses those things that women are doing wrong. It’s like a child who throws a tantrum and instead of disciplining him or her you take the position that you have to find out what it is they want and give it to them. There’s this intense fear that if you call out women on their misbehaviour you are a chump or weak or unable to take it like a man. So rather than do that many guys prefer to just take the “spoil the child” approach to getting laid. Game is basically a coping strategy for women’s rotten behaviour. If a woman has attitude and is unresponsive god forbid you tell her to open up. It’s your job to figure out what buttons to push.

      Let’s look at Mystery for instance. He’s always teaching coping techniques on how to deal with any and all adverse dating situations. His classic line: “Men must learn to attract women or their genes will be mercilessly weeded out of existence”. Great line BTW, plays on fear. And once the fear is primed a solution is offered. Very cult like. The only problem with this classic line is that it’s relatively easy to eventually propagate your genes with someone, even in a dysfunctional dating culture, as long as you go out enough and talk to enough women.

      Currently, the PUA community sees women as superior beings, and men as generally deficient (since we’re the ones who have to be taught what to do). This is very much in line with feminist propaganda.

      But no, don’t criticize women and don’t criticize the social engineering that molds their behaviour. You can criticize GM and Chrysler for making shitty vehicles, and no one would say the problem is with you. But if you criticize women for their actions then the problem MUST be with you. And what does the PUA industry do, it capitalizes on this artificially induced feeling of incompetence men have where women are concerned.

      Here’s some double standards that are common in the PUA community:

      It’s okay for women to be unapproachable (because that makes them selective), but if men are unapproachable (or don’t approach) they are labeled as shy or socially inept. If a woman has a wall around her then it’s your job as a man to “break through”. You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take, after all. Great line, except that it takes two to tango, and if the woman isn’t doing her part it’s like dragging around a corpse.

      PUAs are perfectly okay with men taking responsibility for women’s shortcomings, but the reverse is completely unheard of.

      Women in western (feminized) culture are elevated to a level that is totally undeserved, and in part this is because their shortcomings are too often spun as a sign of strength. It’s a serious form of deception, one which the PUA community takes to a whole new level with their pseudo-scientific evolutionary psychology psychobabble which SO MANY men fall for. Let’s look at some of these false arguments.

      It is often said that women are more socially savvy and much better than men at reading social situations. But the reason it might appear this way is because in this culture women (as a whole) take virtually no risks and always play on the safe side. They are so hell-bent on getting society’s approval that they go to all these extra lengths to make sure that they don’t do anything “wrong”. So as a result, we never or rarely see women make a fool of themselves. Of course not; they don’t do anything! Men do all the work, take all the risks, get rejected, and then (many of us) go back to the drawing board to “up our game”. And the PUA is merely an extreme case of this.

      Men in the seduction community frame women’s whimsical, immature, standoffish, selfish, weak, and stupid behavior as indicators of higher awareness, virtue, and social intelligence. For example,

      • A woman can’t initiate and lacks conversational depth — The PUA interpretation: She is testing your ability to “plow through” and lead.

      • A woman is prejudiced and rejects you based on some stereotype she is carrying in her mind — The PUA interpretation: She is picking up on some vibe that you are inadequate or weak. Women are masters at picking up on subtle cues, after all. In other words, you need to up your game.

      • A woman acts unpredictable, whimsical, and immature — The PUA interpretation: Women are more “complicated” than men and there are numerous attraction switches you must turn on in order for them to want to be with you.

      • A woman needs her friends’ approval — The PUA interpretation: You must get her friends’ approval.

      Looking at these it’s pretty obvious what’s going on. Women’s rotten behaviour is justified using some form of twisted evolutionary psychology argument, or deftly reframing the situation to always put the burden on the guy to get things done.

      In the PUA ideology, the process is supposed to be difficult. That’s just the way it is. Anything else is just you getting lucky or “fools mate”. Furthermore, you have to approach at least hundreds, or even thousands of women before you start to get “good”. In other words, you have to do tons of approaches before a PUA method will work for you (since it is a skill just like any other). However, it is not quite a skill the way welding or gymnastics is a skill. You see, in these skills you are dealing with something neutral (such as gravity), which doesn’t care either way whether you succeed or fail. But in interactions with women you are dealing with someone who can consciously work with you or against you. So knowing that it’s a matter of free will, why would you choose to work with someone who freely chooses to make things hard for you? A shy virgin can get laid with a woman who really likes him, but even an experienced ladies man will encounter difficulty with certain types of women. So why focus on something that’s difficult when there are clearly easier options out there.

      What’s missing in virtually all the PUA methods is proof that they work on a consistent and reproducible basis. So you see, it’s not a skill, like welding or gymnastics, because these skills are consistent and reproducible. A trained welder, or gymnast can reproduce their skills perfectly (or almost perfectly) every time. But for PUA methods, you must repeat your efforts over and over to be successful (even the veterans). For example, let’s say a guy goes out and does tons of approaches after reading about some PUA’s method. Result: He eventually gets laid. He then lauds the method as the greatest thing since sliced bread. But really, the reason he got laid was BECAUSE he did tons of approaches. Pretty much anything will work if you do it enough. It’s called statistics. It is for this reason that PUA methods are not a skill like any other, but rather the law of averages masquerading as a skill.

      No better than placebo

      PUAs make sex seem like an elite achievement, and unless you are properly trained you will go without it. You will notice that when guys on PUA forums post lay reports (especially gurus selling something) they tend to break down the lay report in an effort to explain how a certain application of seduction principles produced the desired result. But if you look closely at the lay reports you will usually notice that, from the point of view of an observer, they are basically just normal interactions perhaps peppered with some PUA material which really makes no difference in the overall outcome, and certainly no difference beyond just normal talking and basic flirting. If you read enough lay reports you will notice this pattern. So it is a complete fallacy that anything that results in sex must be a result of some PUA principle, or a combination of different PUA principles.

      If you get laid without game-shit, you must be a natural?

      And if it is not immediately clear how PUA principles could have worked for someone who got laid it is said that this person either got lucky (fool’s mate) or he has “internalized” the principles. So if I have sex with an attractive woman, and I am unable to break the interaction down into “tangible steps” related to the pick up arts then it must be that either I got lucky (meaning there was no skill involved) OR I internalized the PUA principles and that’s why I can’t explain them. But imagine the possibility that the interaction cannot be broken down in terms of PUA principles because no PUA principles were actually used. It’s simply a normal interaction between a man and woman that resulted in sex, hardly a great feat.

      Putting an end to radical feminism and holding women accountable for their actions will do much more to boost men’s success with women than even the best PUA methods can.

      On gamers kissing up to women, while paying lip-service to “not supplicating”

      The PUA does not hold women accountable, and instead pushes the black and white view that success with women is ALL up to you (the man). The truth is that it’s up to both men and women, but since you can only sell self-improvement as a marketing angle where everything and anything is within your control, criticism of women won’t enter the picture. Or if it does, it will only be as a last resort, or as a seduction tool in itself to get her to f*ck you (since, after all, women get turned on by men who put their foot down). In the seduction community, even putting a woman in her place is used as a tool to bed her (e.g. negging). It’s all massive supplication, with whitewashing to make it seem like PUAs don’t kiss up to women. So in other words, be a man and put women in their place, but only in such a way that it gets them more into you. This attitude is very pervasive in the seduction community.

      On the 5% argument, i.e. 5% of stuff in game material is good, therefore game is “ok”…

      Some would say that what I’m saying is unfair, and that there is good PUA material out there. That’s true there is, but it’s only a small percentage. Think of it this way, if a movie is 95% crap you’re not going to give it a good review are you? It would get two thumbs down. So why laud about how great the pick up arts is when only 5% of the material is any good. Why is the bar so low for this stuff? The argument is always that you must sift through it and take what you need. But that’s a 95% waste of time. If a book has only 5% quality content would you buy it? No way. The amount of unlearning you would have to do would greatly exceed the amount of learning.

  6. Porn is often just gross much of the time, and the only thing wrong with masturbation is what is also wrong with sex. Ejaculation. Ejaculation makes you stupid, slow, dull, and lazy in every way.

    Only reason to ejaculate is to have a baby, otherwise ejaculation is violence against men.

    If you look closely, religious reasons against masturbation are based on the fact that the male is “wasting the seed”. People seem to think it’s because you are not supposed to touch that part of your body. No. It’s because ejaculating makes you a dull drone.

    And you also won’t be able to hoe the field as well the next day…

    But after generations of stupid people and watered down dogma, things disintegrate to the understanding we have now.

    Also sperm contains a very potent set of molecules that are super vitamins and increases a person’s happiness. Wasting it for a short buzz is really a crime against humanity.

  7. Of course, we all know why White and Nerdy is in favor of masturbation and porn – he can’t get laid because he’s a woman-hating creep.

    • Really? Have you ever left the house? If you did, you would notice the vast majority of guys who get laid the most are misogynists or at least chauvinists.

      The by far criteria biggest criteria in how likely you are to get laid is how willing you are to put up with rejection.

      Mentioning appreciation or hatred or love of women is a non-sequitor to the topic of getting laid.

      See this:
      http://aleknovy.com/2011/07/31/most-men-succesful-with-women-are-jerks-but-so-are-guys-who-love-women-and-womanhood/

      • You’re wrong, AlekNovy. Women can sense creepiness in men from a mile away. If White and Nerdy comes off as this misogynistic on the Internet, I can only imagine what he’s like in real life.

        Women want REAL men, men who respect women, not whiny bitches who blubber on the Internet all day. Only a woman with no self-respect would date any of you slopeheads.

        That underscores just how pathetic men like you and White and Nerdy are – you can’t even get the women with low self-esteem to fuck you.

        • If women can sense creepiness in men a mile away,
          why do women initiate over 75% of the divorces that occur?

          Your “men who respect women” are actually “the men you want to have sex with”. I think you confuse the two, because the “men who respect women” that you do not want to have sex with, won’t get any attention from you.

          For one of the “superior communicators”, I see you have some catching up to do.

          Then again, I guess when it takes longer for you to mature… it is to be expected.

        • The fact that you came to troll on this blog proves that you have little self-esteem, because if you had any you would have no need for you trolling activities. I can sense that you have feelings of inadequacy here on the other side of the world.

        • P Ray, women initiate more divorces because modern men are weak and unable to hold up their end of the bargain. If you would man up and stop crying like a baby, a woman might actually want to be with you.

          And I know perfectly well what I want, and neither I nor my friends would ever associate with men who hung out on blogs like this. I’ve been with my boyfriend for seven years precisely BECAUSE he respects and cherishes women. I just showed him this blog and says you’re “a bunch of whiny douchehats”.

          And FunkyLover, I think you’re projecting, because if you had any self-respect, you wouldn’t be whining on a blog about how those evil meanie women won’t give you the time of day.

        • Seven years and not yet married? Isn’t he man enough, ahahahaha….
          Maybe that’s the kind of guy that you choose… the one who won’t commit, and then you tell the men who WILL commit, that they’re not worth anything – because you want the option to leave without fuss.

          Your boyfriend, I hope you don’t tell him to try and beat me up.
          The bravery disappears when a criminal charge can be placed.

        • You’re wrong, AlekNovy. Women can sense creepiness in men from a mile away.

          Have you ever left the house and been out on social situations, you know met different kinds of women and people and noticed how they judge situations?

          If you had, you would know that:

          a) NO TWO WOMEN define creepiness the same way. I’ve been with many female friends who when meeting the same guy they all seperately had opposite reactions “creepy, cute, funny, respectful, nice, sexy, ewww, douchebag, sweet”.

          Men also know from experience in the real world that:

          b) The exact same approach to different women gets one to wet her panties in pleasure, another to call you a creep, a third to call you perverted, a fourth to call you weird, a fifth to call you sweet, a sixth to call you “edgy” etc…

          Women want REAL men, men who respect women, not whiny bitches who blubber on the Internet all day.

          how… exactly…

          do you explain domestic violence? I mean the really brutal kind? Does the guy who beats his girlfriends to a bloody pulp “respect women”?

          You realize you’re not making much sense right? The two can’t exist, you have to either belive that:

          A) Domestic violence and violent boyfriends don’t exist or are super-rare
          or
          B) Women go for guys who disrespect women all the time

          The both can’t co-exist in the same universe. Unless you think its possible for a man to “respect women” and then beat the shit out of them?

        • I think she’s getting around to the idea that the “best men that she wants” only disrespect the “women who deserve it”. Of course, we have to say it, because logic is patriarchal.

          We are seeing the corrupt sisterhood in action here, where she figures that in the pursuit of happiness, she’ll step on other men and women to get there (of course, in return for not having their reputations ruined or be bullied, the ugly girls will toe the party line). You go, grrl!

          The men who are allowed to disrespect women and get away with it,
          are the men she’s attracted to.

          The men who are not allowed to disrespect women and get away with it,
          are the men she’s NOT attracted to.

          Two sets of rules, quite predictable actually. An object lesson in feminism.

        • Bullshit: “Good genes, mating effort, and delinquency”
          (Martin L. Lalumièrea and Vernon L. Quinseyb
          a Forensic Program, Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, 250
          College Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M5T 1R8;b Department of Psychology, Queen’s University at Kingston, Humphrey Hall, Kingston, Ontario, Canada, K7L 3N6.)

          This describes a real observable tendency for females to preferrentially mate with ‘high-risk'(delinquent and abusive) males.

        • Creepiness is a catch all euphemism of unattractiveness, spun through the attribution biases of irrational females.

          Ultimately, it is nothing more than an attack on the reputation of undesirable men, laced with calumny – and thus a degenerate case of unattractiveness.

    • Getting laid and then having to explain that the condition your kids have is because Mommy had a lot of fun with men other than Daddy, is a good reason not to simply “get laid”. Along with STDs, false rape accusations, blackmail…

      I suppose one reason why women tell men to just “get laid” to solve their problems, is because for women that has been a proven strategy to gain resources, favours, money and status.

      • There’s a solution to those problems – condoms. You’d know that if you weren’t a loser whose only girlfriend has been your right hand.

        Enjoy dying alone.

        • If you’re planning on killing your boyfriend/husband in a bizarre pact so that you don’t die alone, maybe speaking to a grief counselor is something you should consider.

          From what I understand, natural deaths usually happen singly among people. Pairs or more do not die in sync with each other – what gave you the idea that you DON’T die alone?

  8. W & N wrote:
    The PUA does not hold women accountable, and instead pushes the black and white view that success with women is ALL up to you (the man).

    That’s a real problem I see with self-help gurus – they like to push this idea that you’re responsible and accountable for everything (so presumably you can improve where you’re deficient). Carried to extremes it leads to delusional beliefs. Look at Obsidian’s obsession with astrology if you want an example. He’s also said that PUAs won’t have problems with false rape accusations if they do things ‘right’.

  9. I’m replying here to P Ray’s comment about me being a “cat lady” because all the “Reply” buttons on my screen have disappeared. White and Nerdy should do something about that.

    P Ray, it makes you feel better to pretend I’m some sort of lonely old lady? In reality, I’m in my 20’s, I’m way better looking than any woman you could ever trick into fucking you, and I have a wonderful, loving boyfriend. It’s truly sad that you’ll never experience the joy of being in a committed relationship.

    • You’re too old for me, sorry.
      And you’re probably too diseased as well. After all, I’m betting he’s not your first boyfriend.
      And I’m betting you haven’t told him your number of sexual partners.

    • P Ray, it makes you feel better to pretend I’m some sort of lonely old lady? In reality, I’m in my 20′s, I’m way better looking than any woman you could ever trick into fucking you

      You know, those shaming techniques require that the target be ignorant of women today.

      There’s a ton of hot women who will fuck anyone. I’ve personally had the ugliest, fattest, most unsocial guys come to me, and I just told them to approach and ask out women until one said yes.

      Guess what? They only had to ask maybe 50% more before one said yes. Women are extremely desperate these days.

      The only difference between a guy who gets laid and one who doesn’t is how much rejection one is willing to take. That’s about it.

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