Gamers accuse us of sockpuppeting. They accuse of sockpuppeting to the point where it’s clear that they think everyone against game is just a sockpuppet of one person.
Now, the shoe is on the other foot or sockpuppet. Fifth Donkey, a gamer, has been caught sockpuppeting.
It’s clear that when gamers accuse of sockpuppeting, they are really just projecting on to us what they do. That’s true of everything else they accuse of us of doing, as well.
I have been thinking about how a lot of conspiracy theories that you see in the so called manosphere actually come from feminists. Take the conspiracy theory that Gloria Stienem worked for the CIA. Where did that come from? It came from other feminists as part of an internal fight where some feminists were trying to discredit her. That’s the type of thing I’m thinking of, not feminists planting conspiracy theories (although I wouldn’t be surprised if that happens as a strategy to discredit the MRM).
Many conspiracy theorists, likely the majority of conspiracy theorists, are feminists. That goes beyond the fact that the “patriarchy” the feminists believe in is a conspiracy theory. If you look at the David Icke forums (David Icke is one of the biggest conspiracy theorists out there and a feminist), there are conspiracy theorists actually quoting Andrea Dworkin and saying that there’s a conspiracy to commit “gynocide” (the genocide of women and only women) and elevate men by making us men “post sexual cyborgs with artificial wombs”. I’m sure sooner or later that conspiracy theory will be promoted by conspiracy theorists in the so called manosphere despite how obviously feminist it is.
If a feminist tell me something, I would assume it’s a lie. If a feminist told me the sky was blue I would assume they’re lying. So why does anyone believe conspiracy theories when they come out a feminists mouth? If you can’t figure that out then whenever you hear someone promote conspiracy theory whether it’s Hawaiian Fat Blob or John the Other, they are acting as a conduit for feminism.
Since Blah started spamming this blog with unrelated conspiracy theory bullshit, I have banned him. (Spamming is one the very few things that will get you banned here.) Also, I did some investigation and based on IP addresses and referrers, there is a high probability he was working for Infowars/PrisonPlanet/the Alex Jones set of websites.
I’m against conspiracy theory for more reasons than the fact that they’re insane. They present practical problems and more. Letting them hang around anti-feminist blogs just gives feminists ammunition against us. It allows them to paint us all as conspiracy theorist nuts. Conspiracy theorists also have a habit of destroying blogs and forums they invade. I have seen this outside of anti-feminist blogs and forums. For example, I know of video game forums that got invaded by conspiracy theorists. Typically, what happens to a website invaded by conspiracy theorists is that one conspiracy theorist won’t stop posting about conspiracy theory. The rest of the forum starts trying to show the conspiracy theorist why they’re wrong, but that doesn’t work. More conspiracy theorists show up. Eventually, the sane supermajority gets tired of dealing with the conspiracy theorists so they leave for greener pastures. This for all intents and purposes concedes the website to the conspiracy theorists. When it’s just a video game forum, then the loss is pretty minimal. When it comes to anti-feminism, the loss is huge so we have to fight back.
Trying to get conspiracy theorists to snap out of it is a waste of time. You can have all of the facts in the world, but it won’t matter. Conspiracy theorists will just stick their fingers in their ears, and say, “la la la. I can’t hear you.” The best example of this is somewhere in PMAFT’s archives where he was able to show that several of Hawaiian Fat Blob’s conspiracy theories were mathematically and financially impossible. Hawaiian Fat Blob just stuck his fingers in his ears and said, “You forgot about the monster from Jekyll Island”. Yes, Hawaiian Fat Blob response if you can call it that was no better than gibberish. This is why conspiracy theorists are guaranteed to have brain damage.
It’s also easy to forget that when it comes to conspiracy theorists, you’re not just dealing with plain old kooks. (This is really true when it comes to the Paleo-Game Cult because they are nothing but kooks.) The conspiracy theorist community had a disproportionately high number of people on various forms of psychological medication. This isn’t surprising, but it means that you can’t convince them with logical arguments ever since their brains don’t work properly.
There’s another group that is very problematic in conspiracy theory. I have been reading a lot of skeptic forums and blogs to learn about how others are dealing with conspiracy theorists, and something that has come up a lot is just how many conspiracy theorists actually believe in conspiracy theory. This means they have alternate agendas. Some of these agendas can be purely financial, i.e. selling books and DVDs or trying to pump up gold investments. In many other cases, their agenda is political. They believe in some sort of ultra-fringe politics, but are trying to find recruits to fight for them. This means that they are trying to co-opt anti-feminism for their own purposes. They have no true interest in anti-feminism except as a recruiting tool. To them conspiracy theory acts as a tool of spreading FUD (fear, uncertainty, & doubt). They’re using a very underhanded form of deception to advance their political agenda by making a barrage of what is effectively false accusations. They are like feminists. Trying to show these “conspiracy theorists” the error of their ways won’t work because they don’t truly believe in conspiracy theory in the first place. How can we know that such a thing is happening? It’s consistent with psychological research that shows that conspiracy theorists are willing more than anyone else to actually be a part of conspiracies themselves. Actual scientific research shows that conspiracy theorists are likely to do this.
This is why there is no agreeing to disagree when it comes to conspiracy theorists and anti-feminism. They are either kooks or have agendas that are hostile to anti-feminism. The anti-feminist cause doesn’t need their support either. It’s clear that for every conspiracy theorist that invades the anti-feminist space, at least 10 sane men leave. It’s probably 20 or even higher than that. Being agressively anti-conspiracy theorist will build up numbers for the cause of anti-feminism, not the opposite.
A week ago Mr. Smith informed us that John the Other, managing editor of AVfM, was a conspiracy theorist and deep into conspiracy theory. Until Mr. Smith wrote that comment I was completely unaware of JtO’s real agenda and loyalties as I don’t have the time to read every article at AVfM. JtO isn’t a member of the Paleo-Game Cult because he doesn’t believe in game or the paleo diet. This makes him a conspiracy theorist in the mold of Alex Jones and Henry Makow, both of whom he uses as primary sources. (Alex Jones is a man who thinks that world is run by a conspiracy taking orders from actual living demons. Yes, you read that right. Henry Makow’s “contribution” to anti-feminism consists of bullshit like a strange fascination with Dick Cheney’s penis and aruging that young men should be castrated.) JtO has also used AVfM to promote conspiracy theories about money and finance which not only has nothing to do with mens rights, but also serves to undermine the cause of mens rights by painting the MRM as nothing but conspiracy theory nutjobs. Today, JtO wrote another conspiracy theory article for AVfM. Let’s look at the bullshit JtO wrote.
Prior to his death, documentary film producer Aaron Russo disclosed the content of a conversation with his friend Nicolas Rockefeller of the Rockefeller family. What follows is a transcription of an interview shown in full in Russo’s documentary “America, Freedom to Fascism”.
“We were at the house one night, and we were talking and he [Nicolas Rockefeller] started laughing.Aaron, what do you think women’s liberation was all about? And, I said, I had pretty conventional thinking about it at that point, and I said I think it’s about women having the right to work – get equal pay with men, just like they won the right to vote.
You know, and he started to laugh, and he said you’re an idiot, and I said why am I an idiot? He said let me tell you what that was about. We the Rockefellers, funded that. We funded women’s lib. You know, and we’re the ones who got it all over the newspapers and television, the Rockefeller Foundation. He says…you wanna know why? There were two primary reasons. And they were one reason was: we couldn’t tax half the population before women’s lib. And the second reason was: now we get the kids in school at an early age, we can indoctrinate the kids how to think.
This way it breaks up their family. The kids start looking at the state as the family. At the school, at the officials, as their family. Not at their parents teaching them. And so, those are the two primary reasons for women’s lib, which I thought up to that point was a noble thing. You know, when I saw their intentions behind it, where they were coming from and they created it and the thought of it, I saw, I saw the evil behind what I thought was a noble venture.”
Taken alone, this revelation from Russo might be dismissed, and indeed, although its veracity has never been seriously challenged, it is ignored by the entirety of mainstream media.
(It should be noted that Aaron Russo worked with Alex Jones.) Of course it’s veracity has been seriously challenged. Among MRAs PMAFT has done it at least twice, and I will do so here. There is no “Nicholas Rockefeller of the Rockefeller family”. You can get lists of everyone in the Rockefeller family, and there is no Nick on those lists. Aaron Russo’s politics were known at the time that he was supposedly told this. Why would a Rockefeller tell their plans to their enemies? It makes no sense. The parts about “not being able to tax half the population” and “getting kids in school early” are historically and economically inaccurate. Both of those things had already happened decades before feminism came around. In other words, every single thing about this conspiracy theory is impossible either because it’s physcially impossible or because it requires us to believe that the Rockefellers were so incompetent that they couldn’t sucessfully execute this conspiracy in the first place.
Not only is conspiracy theory wrong, but it has other fundamental problems. There’s the practical problem of conspiracy theory driving away men who would otherwise be MRAs, but think the MRM is all about conspiracy theory bullshit instead of mens rights. It also gives a weapon to our enemies to easily discredit the MRM. (Other groups like white supremacists who are allowed to hang around the MRM also do this.) Those aren’t the big problems. The big problem with conspiracy theory is that is doesn’t hold women accountable for what they have done. Conspiracy theories treat women as victims of brainwashing so they transfer responsiblity from women to the Rockefellers (or whoever else the conspiracy theory says is behind feminism). When a conspiracy theory talks about the Rockefellers (or whoever else in involved), it’s always a group of men. Conspiracy theories about feminism literally transfer the responsiblity of feminism and women’s actions to men. Conspiracy theory acts as a white knighting enterprise.
What does this all mean? Belief in conspiracy theory goes straight to the top of AVfM. Not only does AVfM’s managing editor believe in conspiracy theory, but conspiracy theory websites are on their blogroll, specifically Hawaiian Fat Blob and Inmalafide. (Those websites also have the problem of linking AVfM to white supremacism and other things of that level.) Either Paul Elam is a conspiracy theorist, or he’s completely AWOL on this important matter. Either way, given that AVfM was supposed to be the number one MRM website on the internet, this means that for the next decade no progress will made in advancing mens rights or fighting back against feminism. There was a MRM between 1970 and 2000 or so. I’m sure that suprises a lot of you because you have never heard of them. The reason why you have no knowledge of the MRM for that period of time is because it was dominated by conspiracy theorists, and they did nothing but talk about the how feminism was the work of the Rockefellers or the Jews or the Freemasons. The only very meager progress on mens rights was made in the fathers rights area (which is important) by fathers rights groups which were not associated with the conspiracy theorists. There is a clear connection between conspiracy theory and an unwillingness to engage in real action against feminism. Why has Glenn Sacks actually had some (very limited) success against feminism? Because he’s not a conspiracy theorist.
Another thing it means is that the whole MRA-PUA debate (and subsets of it like the Elam-Frost debate) are not arguments between MRAs and PUAs, but arguments between two different types of conspiracy theorist, Jones-Makow conspiracy theorists vs. Paleo-Game Cult conspiracy theorists. Whoever wins, men lose. Defeating the Paleo-Game Cult just hands over the MRM to Alex Jones and Henry Makow for at least the next ten years.
Lots of men get disillusioned with the lack of progress by the MRM. One of those men was the blogger at Foriegn Women Only.
I’m feeling the same way. Only the most minimal of tangible improvements have been made, and those were done by men outside of the greater mass of MRAs like Glenn Sacks. For me, that’s not the biggest problem right now. What all of this means for me is that my work fighting the Paleo-Game Cult was meaningless and useless. All I have done is make it easier for the Jones-Makow conspiracy theorists to take over. If I knew what I know now back when I started blogging, I’m not sure I would have bothered.
One thing that happens with the gamers that have invaded the MRM is that outsiders consider MRAs and gamers to be one and the same. This is another angle in which the Misandrist Dating Advice Distraction (MDAD) hurts the cause of mens rights. In some cases it could mean something as simple as outsiders who would be sympathetic to the MRM or would become MRAs will not do so since they end up with the wrong idea about the MRM. In most other cases there is something much more insidious going on.
I found a link on another blog to this page where a woman went into the manosphere and wrote about her impressions of it. Everything she talked about had to do with game and nothing with mens rights. Here is how she summed up the manosphere.
So the message of the manosphere rings disingenuous. They would like for women to remain sexually available but to kindly shut up.
This woman purports to be a serious Christian so she’s supposedly against pre-marital sex. However, that doesn’t matter to the MRM since mens rights has nothing to do with dating and sex. (Issues like the divorce system and men being accused of being serial killers for being inexperienced/unsuccessful with women are issues far beyond dating and sex.) Half of the comments on that page point out that there’s a difference between the gamers and the MRM, but she dances around that inconvient fact. What this woman is trying to do is smear the gamers and the MRM into one thing. That way she can attack mens rights without admitting the real reason that she is against mens rights is that she doesn’t want to give up female privledge. The gamers have given this woman a way to hide that she’s really for female supremacy by allowing her to make this a “moral” issue about pre-marital sex.
This is the MDAD in action because rather than exposing this woman’s real position on mens rights, she is given cover to pretend the issue is one of sexual morality. The MDAD allows her to benefit from the feminist status quo and allows her to decieve people she’s actually against feminism.
