Conspiracy Theory At AVfM

I have been talking a lot about conspiracy theorists (and related bullshit) at AVfM.  Over and over again I provide links, but I keep getting guys here saying, “I haven’t seen what you’re talking about”.  After this post, there is no excuse.  All of these links are posts, not comments, but posts.  This means that they come from Paul Elam and other members of the staff at AVfM, not random commenters who could be anyone (including feminists trolling AVfM).   Here are the links.

I’m sure there are more examples, but these are enough to prove my point.  The last two links don’t talk about feminism, anti-feminist or mens rights AT ALL.  They’re completely useless for anything related to anti-feminism.  The first two links also have multiple problems.  The conspiracy theory that Gloria Steinem worked for the CIA (and by extension the CIA funded feminism) is a conspiracy theory that got started by other feminists.  Why should we believe this? All of this goes beyond the problem that conspiracy theory lacks evidence.

When someone talks about the Rockefellers being behind feminism, they mean the Rockefeller men.  Conspiracy theory is an attempt to transfer responsiblity for womens actions on to a group of men.  This makes women out to be victims of men, and it is a refusal to hold women accountable for their actions.  This type of white knighting is what makes conspiracy theorists huge manginas.  You see this everywhere with conspiracy theorists.  For example, Henry Makow promotes the idea that feminism benefits men and only men (when he’s not promoting the idea that young men should be castrated).  How can we possibly trust any conspiracy theorist to be against feminism, since they think feminism benefits men and that women aren’t responsible for their feminist actions?  This shows that conspiracy theorists aren’t really anti-feminist.  They’re either pretending to be anti-feminist to trick real anti-feminists into supporting them, or it’s really just an alternate way for conspiracy theorists to be against the Jews or the Rockefellers or whoever else they think is behind feminism.

Conspiracy theory is also all about false accusations at its heart.  Anytime I read a conspiracy theory about the Rockefellers or some other group of men that conspiracy theorists believe are doing nefarious shit, I see all the same arguements that were used against me when I was falsely accused of sexual harassment.  This isn’t a coincidence.  I will deal with this subject in a future post.

Conspiracy theory also has a lot of other problems I don’t have time to cover like how a lot of it is a scam to sell books and DVDs to gullible morons.  They also have a habit of invading blogs and forums on unrelated subjects and forcing out the sane people who want to talk about aviation, video games, pets, or whatever the subject of the blog or forum is about because people get tired of dealing with them.

The problems with conspiracy theorists go beyond them just being wrong.  It alienates sane anti-feminists and prevents real anti-feminism from occuring because conspiracy theorists are maginas who white knight for women.  It’s clear that the staff at AVfM desires to promote conspiracy theory or they wouldn’t have written posts promoting conspiracy theory.  Knowing everything I explained, how can I possibly trust AVfM to be meaningfully anti-feminist?  I can’t.

50 responses to “Conspiracy Theory At AVfM

  1. Elam’s inspiration Henry Makow is always yammering about the Jews and the Illuminati. That’s a great way to reach Joe Six Pack, eh?

    Makow’s recent Twitter activity includes links to the Occidental Observer (“More confirmation that Hollywood is a Judeo Masonic (i.e. Sabbatean, Liberal Left ) Propaganda Machine”), Holocaust denialist David Irving (“Irving is the least controlled WW2 historian”), and a link to an article on Makow’s website claiming that “Nazism and Communism were dialectical opposites, constructed in the same Illuminati factory.”

    Here’s another crazy article, “Illuminati Defector Details Pervasive Conspiracy:”

    http://www.henrymakow.com/141002.html

    Well done, Paul Elam! You’ll be hitting the MSM big time any day now.

  2. You might not be able to convince them to drop those beliefs – but seriously they should be smart enough to see that it is harmful to the future of the MRM.

    What would it really matter which dead white males did this (feminism)
    The matters is that is that is here now and must be defeated

    I myself am adament that the official conspiracy theories concerning 9/11 and the JFK assassination are false or at the very least not the full truth. (Though I don’t now which of the many alternative conspiracy theories are true – I just don’t accept the official ones.) The rest (of conspiracy theories) I just dismiss or remain agnostic about.

    But why the hell would I talk about that stuff here – it makes the MRM look kooky and unserious.

    White-knighting indeed – that kind of thinking definitely makes feminists look like poor little helpless victims victims of evil rockefeller patriarchy

    • That is right. The conspiracy theorists are wrong, but that isn’t the real problem. The real problem is that they can’t shut up about it. They lack political astuteness, and they are incompetent. Since they’re incompetent about conspiracy theory, how can we assume they will be competent about anything else?

  3. That’s fucked up. I guess there is effectively no real opposition to feminism beyond a few unheard-of blogs and individual men fighting the courts.

  4. If feminism is some diabolical Jewish conspiracy, then why do Jewish men get shafted as well? Surely one would think that if the Jews did it, they would be safe from it? I read about Jews being behind feminism in the comments made by radical nationalists (idiots) on youtube.

    It is based on the fact that many, mostly American feminists, have been of Jewish origin, nothing else. I always counter with another fact, that the super-influential feminist Simone de Beauvoir was a daughter of a devout Catholic. I guess we need to throw the Jesuit Order into the mix. :-)

    The same with rich people supporting left-wing causes, what of it? It is nothing new. How does knowing that advance the cause of anti-feminism? Did Rockefellers tell Valerie Solanas to write her filth?

    ***

    JtO has become a bit of a punching bag for the feminists lately. They lurk around his channel and pick on everything he says. I wonder why? I also wonder how his irrelevant articles made it to AVfM website. Don’t they have an editorial policy on that site?

    • I listen to Dennis Prager everyday (a prominent Jewish Talk Show Host).

      And he is the single number one person to cover MRA-type and anti-feminist issues on almost a daily basis.

      One thing he says about secular jews often is:

      “When jews left judaism, they substituted it with other isms, and most of the women leaving judaism became feminists”. [paraphrased].

      In other words, he’s saying that Feminism is just a religion/cult, and it’s something women who leave other religions go to.

      • In case I’m misunderstood. I’m not giving this anecdote as support for the crazy nutcase anti-semite douchebags like paleo-game-culters et al.

        I’m just saying how so many ended up involved in it. There’s no conspiracy where feminism was “created by jews” or any such nonsense.

        It’s just that a lot of people left judaism, but (according to prager), since it’s a very strong religion, the people leaving it ended up replacing with other strong religions. Feminism is such a strong substitute religion.

      • In other words, he’s saying that Feminism is just a religion/cult, and it’s something women who leave other religions go to.

        That’s not limited to Judaism. It applies to lot of ex-Christian women, and women who left Christianity and came back (such as Alte and other the women at the traditional christianity blog).

  5. I suppose you do have a bit of a point,by I suggest it is a minor one.
    When you’ve got over a dozen authors trying to write exciting new scripts there is bound to be some errors induced into the system.
    The main point is that it is the exception,not the norm,certainly not official policy at AVFM.

    We should be looking at the much bigger picture rather than the mote.

    The same energy could be applied to improve and build rather than deconstruct.

    Those stories have been bandied about for so long it’s hard to ascertain if they contain any truth at all.
    (your point, I know)

    It’s irrelevant,as the main mission is a worthy one.
    No need to toss the baby with the bath water.

    • Why should I ignore it? The SPLC won’t ignore it because they will want to use it. Outsiders who are trying to determine what the MRM is all about won’t ignore it. More importantly, I know the signs of false accusations as I have been the victim of them, and all the same signs are in conspiracy theory. I don’t want false accusations to happen to any man, and rich guys aren’t exempt from that.

      I am trying to build something. I’m building a rational alternative that is truly anti-feminist to blue pill feminism and red pill Paleo-Game Cult insanity.

      • Two salient things I’ve noticed about conspiracy theorists are curious. One is a surprising passivity despite a neurotic fixation with their beliefs. I’ve met a few in person, and it’s puzzling that if their object of obsession was of such great significance (and that something needed to be really done about it change things from becoming worse), they don’t seem to be too concerned about the action part. Maybe that’s for someone more heroic, and less prone to false martyrdom. I don’t know.

        And the other—declaring that feminism is a product of a penultimate secret cabal to brainwash women into acting as they do.

        I don’t buy it.

        I’ve not argued very much with them, but from what posters I have confronted with the latter are troubling in the fact they are willing to let women off the hook for bad behavior. Almost every time. It’s one of the elements that (one day) I wish to discuss on my blog—women just didn’t swallow feminism wholesale because a clandestine organization duped them to en masse and they are poor little victims of a system that are employing them like puppets on a string. They make conscious decisions about it.

        It would make these women not truly accountable if it was true that they have been brainwashed. And that women are not responsible for their behavior, right or wrong.

        As a Man Going His Own Way, I find the very idea outrageous.

        One of the biggest problems men are encountering today—even men who have not heard of men’s rights issues at length—are the stunning lack of responsibility and respect for men, as well as their myopia and callous selfishness when dealing with men. Couple this with white knights and manginas who excuse everything and anything Ameriskanks do, and their refusal to accept the feminine dark side, has caused a mammoth cultural malaise. Conspiracy theorists are no better is this aspect.

        The “forgive them not, for they don’t know what they do because an evil diabolical group is the real cause” is complete and utter nonsense.

        • Two salient things I’ve noticed about conspiracy theorists are curious. One is a surprising passivity despite a neurotic fixation with their beliefs. I’ve met a few in person, and it’s puzzling that if their object of obsession was of such great significance (and that something needed to be really done about it change things from becoming worse), they don’t seem to be too concerned about the action part. Maybe that’s for someone more heroic, and less prone to false martyrdom. I don’t know.

          I have noticed the same thing. The believe that “any day now” the Rockefellers/Illuminati/NWO/etc. are going to murder 80% to 90% of the population, yet all they do is sit around and write blog posts about it. Personally, I would want to take immediate action because I could be dead tommorow if I believe this. I have seen conspiracy theorists confronted about this, and here are their responses.

          1. We would be arrested by the police.
          2. The conspiracy is run by demons so it’s a supernatural battle.
          3. The conspiracy is run by shapeshifting reptile aliens, so fighting them would be pointless since more shapeshifting reptile aliens would take their place.
          4. Jesus (or love) will take care of the problem.

          If I thought that 90% of the population could die next week, then being arrested by the police would be the least of my worries. The rest is just mental illness.

          I also find their passivity to be dangerous for the MRM since it encourages passivity when it comes to anti-feminism. We don’t need that.

          I’ve not argued very much with them, but from what posters I have confronted with the latter are troubling in the fact they are willing to let women off the hook for bad behavior. Almost every time. It’s one of the elements that (one day) I wish to discuss on my blog—women just didn’t swallow feminism wholesale because a clandestine organization duped them to en masse and they are poor little victims of a system that are employing them like puppets on a string. They make conscious decisions about it.

          I agree. I have heard a million pathetic excuses why women aren’t responsible for their behavior from white knights and manginas. Why should I believe those excuses just because they have a conspiracy theory attached to them? It’s no different than “the devil made me do it”, and that’s BS too.

          Another point I have realized about conspiracy theorists is that they can’t be trusted to support mens rights. If you look at the reasons for their supposed anti-feminism, it’s usually something like “the Rockefellers/Illuminati/NWO is trying to destroy the family and prevent children from being born” or some similar BS. I have noticed that any of their reasons for being against feminism also would apply to the MRM. If you think the Rockefellers are trying to destroy marriage and children via feminism, then wouldn’t a MRM encouraged marriage strike and refusal to have children also help them? The only thing that conspiracy theorist can conclude is that the MRM is a Rockefeller/Illuminati/NWO funded and directed organization. There have already been a few conspiracy theorists who have come to this conclusion. As the MRM (or whatever it gets called in the future) becomes more mainstream, the conspiracy theorists will increasingly turn on the MRM. Keeping them around is uselss.

        • Because they still put white women on pedestals so badly, they can’t help but think of feminism as something that was done TO white women rather than something that was done BY white women. So even though they’re anti-feminism, they’ve done the weird mental trick of still being woman worshippers, making them truly insane and schizophrenic.

          They are like that with everything. For example I don’t care about interracial marriages or marriages to immigrants because (A) American women are no prize so who cares who they have sex with and (B) even if they were worth having, they’re free to choose who they want to choose. But they obviously do care about who white women date and marry despite being so supposedly antifeminist.

          Their focus though is to envision a giant conspiracy created by Jews in the media that’s somehow magically brainwashing white women into being attracted to other races and cultures. Yes, there are Jews in boardrooms twirling mustaches and cackling with glee plotting “We must make them want black and foreign dick!!!!” When you ask them what the point of this conspiracy and what these people get out of it, you get even sillier answers.

          But the point is, it all comes down to this idea that white women are never accountable and must be protected, preferably by the CTs.

          As far as the passivity goes, there is this fall of the west supposedly coming right around the corner and it’s going to be not just a war of ideas but a little uprising of “primitives” and yet these are some of the real-world action CTs advocate:

          http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2012/03/24/learn-languages/

        • “women are never accountable and must be protected”

          If you want to make a feminist angry, tell her some things she can do to make herself safer from being a victim of a crime. She shouldn’t have to protect herself! She should be able to do whatever she wants, no matter the consequences! Why don’t we tell rapists not to rape instead? etc.

  6. What about the conspiracy theory that feminism was started by Jews? I asked a CT this, and he repiled that feminism was started by Gloria Steinem, Andrea Dworkin, and two others, and that they were all Jews. Of course, this person thought Women’s Liberation was the start of feminism. I told him that feminism started much sooner and that the Jews had no part in it, but they don’t listen. There’s videos all over YouTube with that theory that feminism is bringing the NWO. There are MRAs who do not know their history and will use Godwin’s Law and Communism to show how evil feminism is. They know nothing about communism or fascism, because if they did, they wouldn’t compare the three.

  7. I’ve mentioned this before but World War One was a real catalyst for feminism in Britain after so many women were left without husbands or the chance of finding one after so many men were killed in that war.

    WW1 wasn’t the only factor but it certainly sped things up.

  8. Off topic, but what do you guys think about this.

    http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3736037

    Something like this comes up every now and then on hacker news.
    yelsgib adn OneBytePerGreen seems to be the only voice of reason there. This Icequeen like behavior is really frustrating, Some poor smuck will most likely end up falsely accused of sexual harassment.

    http://www.dirtybutton.com/videos/627-sexual-harassment-and-you/ <– guess following these simple rules are always helpful.

      • So have I. It’s more like a bunch of guys bending over backwards to “not be sexist” and “do the right thing”. Introducing women into a technical working environment appears to lead to an exponential increase in its social overhead. If that’s the case, one has to question the wisdom of recruiting more of them into STEM fields. What’s the point? If the goal is more and better inventing/tech/science, that sure doesn’t seem to be the way to go about it.

        • Introducing women into a technical working environment appears to lead to an exponential increase in its social overhead. If that’s the case, one has to question the wisdom of recruiting more of them into STEM fields. What’s the point? If the goal is more and better inventing/tech/science, that sure doesn’t seem to be the way to go about it.

          I have noticed the same thing. From my years working in STEM, the only women who belonged in STEM were all foriegn born and not from a Western country. Any woman born in America or another Western country was completely useless and only there because of affirmative action or a de facto affirmative action where the company was worried about getting sued for “not having enough women”. These women accomplished nothing and just retarded technological progress.

    • How sad that the woman in the group is asked to take notes. I wonder who is asked to lug the full water jug over to the water cooler, or move extra chairs into the conference room. That’s different, though, because who cares about men? They exist to serve.

      • Holy shit!, I’m a computer programmer myself. When ever there is an event where I work, Other guys and I have to move the chairs into the conference room and setup the podium. don’t even notice it until you mentioned it, but we do it all the time…It used to be no biggie.

        Right now, I feel like this is discrimination., whaaaaaaa ;)

  9. This was particularly ugly. I can’t figure out if Bardamu is a true believer or just an opportunist but he’s pandering more than ever to the worst parts of his demographic:

    http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2012/03/26/trayvon-martin-was-a-worthless-thug-the-lynching-of-george-zimmerman

    I was shocked some black commenters commented who consider themselves part of the Paleo-Game cult. How warped is that? The comments are even worse than the main article.

    I gave Voice for Men a pass about linking to IMF and said don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater because they do more harm than good, but now I have to agree with BP. AV4M really has to stop linking to a blog with posts like that. It’s not even one of his fringe underlings anymore but Bardamu himself spouting the filth. That’s not the kind of association mens’s rights needs.

    • I can’t figure out if Bardamu is a true believer or just an opportunist but he’s pandering more than ever to the worst parts of his demographic:

      Honestly, I’m not sure. A lot of what Bardamu does is about selling crap like his latest “book” on how to stop masturbating.

      I gave Voice for Men a pass about linking to IMF and said don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater because they do more harm than good, but now I have to agree with BP. AV4M really has to stop linking to a blog with posts like that. It’s not even one of his fringe underlings anymore but Bardamu himself spouting the filth. That’s not the kind of association mens’s rights needs.

      Don’t forget that Paul Elam defended linking to blogs like inmalafide. Either Paul Elam starts taking fighting for mens rights seriously or AVfM ends up as just another white supremacist and conspiracy theorist website. It appears that Paul Elam has chose the latter. As a result he alienates the sane majority. His response will be to yell, “The SPLC and Manboobz lie” over and over again. While that statement is true, Elam’s head is too far up his ass to see the problem. The sane majority of men isn’t following the SPLC or Manboobz, but they will see all the white supremacism and conspiracy theory. The sane majority of men will see AVfM as as bunch of mentally ill racist conspiracy theorists, and it’s not the fault of Manboobz or the SPLC.

  10. There was a post on SavetheMen or something and mentioned the NWO. They were all about men’s rights and eventually started blabbering how a world government was coming and that they would lose everything, etc. I couldn’t believe it.

  11. I think your blindness to groups of powerful men (and women) meeting in secret to steer [certain] world events and further their power is your Achilles Heel.

    Feminism benefited *someone*. Was it the men of society? Hell no! Was it the women? They got years of labor in corpora and fewer eligible men, so I’m not seeing their benefit. How about the government? After all, the tax base grew when the other half hit the workforce like shit against fan-blades. Government also got children into Prussian-style public education camps younger and younger as mother had to go out and work. Government adjusted the laws to destroy the family unit, which is the first level defense against poverty in a bush, and thus turned whole generations into “independent” government dependents!

    Why would the USA cannibalize itself in such a matter? Don’t those in government know this could very well lead to the dissolution of our 250 year-old society? Unless insanity is a common trait, or there’s way too much stuff in the water (wait, now why would government do that?), there has to be some sort of capture or capitulation going on.

    Look at who greases the wheels of the government today, by buying worthless treasuries at interest and sending worthless Federal Reserve Notes as payment. Sure you can say China, but they have their own wheels that are being greased as well, since the days of Mao. To save some time, it’s international finance.

    If you were rich enough to own and control the value of one country’s currency against another, both of which are invented out of thin air, then what is there left to limit you? If you could print money on command, and buy anybody, would you? Maybe not you, but how about the last non-family dude (or chick) that graced your vision?

    Conspiracies are real (no, not all of them). It is a bitch to separate one from another, being able to tell which is likely real and which is likely fake. The food and water poisoning, chem-trailing, Bilderberg group, TV-as-hypnotic, fake-ass drug war, 9/11 and false-flag terror conspiracies are real, or mostly real. If you can’t tell what Monsanto GMO is doing to you and others, and if you think sodium fluoride is there to help your teeth, and you *refuse* to look into these things (and I don’t blame you, I avoid UFO shit because of the disinformation and outright lying), then God help you.

    If that isn’t enough, I am married into a very rich family ($billions$). I have a perspective most people don’t get a chance to see. There is no man more hopelessly enslaved than the man who incorrectly thinks he is free.

    • Feminism benefited *someone*. Was it the men of society? Hell no! Was it the women? They got years of labor in corpora and fewer eligible men, so I’m not seeing their benefit.

      Women only consider 10% to 20% of the male population to be “eligible”. They would like to see the rest of the male population made into slaves or murdered. Thus they don’t care about “more eligible men”. There is no such thing as far as women are concerned. Feminism benefits women, period, and your pathetic attempt to hide that fact is nothing but white knighting.

      How about the government? After all, the tax base grew when the other half hit the workforce like shit against fan-blades.

      You are an idiot. There’s this thing called INFLATION. The tax base did not grow because women started “working”. It’s not like most women are actually working even if they are in jobs. Women dominate useless government jobs and useless quasi-goverment jobs and other useless jobs in the private sector. Women working doesn’t provide for the tax base or the economy. You can see this fact played out in ever growing government defecits which are (for the federal government) in the trillions of dollars each year.

      Government also got children into Prussian-style public education camps younger and younger as mother had to go out and work.

      Those “Prussian style education camps” got started in the mid to late 1800s long before feminism got started and women “worked”.

      Why would the USA cannibalize itself in such a matter? Don’t those in government know this could very well lead to the dissolution of our 250 year-old society? Unless insanity is a common trait, or there’s way too much stuff in the water (wait, now why would government do that?), there has to be some sort of capture or capitulation going on.

      If there’s any “dissolution of the US” going on, it’s the result of women/feminism. Since women can’t think long term, it’s no surprise the world is going to hell in a handbasket. That’s not a conspiracy. It’s the opposite of a conspiracy.

      Look at who greases the wheels of the government today, by buying worthless treasuries at interest and sending worthless Federal Reserve Notes as payment. Sure you can say China, but they have their own wheels that are being greased as well, since the days of Mao. To save some time, it’s international finance.

      If you mean “the Jews” just say so.

      If you were rich enough to own and control the value of one country’s currency against another, both of which are invented out of thin air,

      Human civilization is invented out of thin air, yet I find civilization to be incredibly useful.

      then what is there left to limit you?

      Reality.

      If you could print money on command, and buy anybody, would you? Maybe not you, but how about the last non-family dude (or chick) that graced your vision?

      Women would do that without the ability to “print money on command”. The problem is women, but you’re too busy kissing women’s asses to see that so you blame the Federal Reserve and the Jews international finance, instead.

      If that isn’t enough, I am married into a very rich family ($billions$).

      Forget the rest of my response. I’m being trolled. That still doesn’t change the fact that you’re a white knight sucking up to women.

      • Boy you better watch who you callin’ a white knight.

        I know what the fuck “INFLATION” is, numb nuts! Its when the government prints money. I don’t think you understand what happens to the value of labor when the labor pool is doubled. You are a fool if you think Women, Inc. is out to get you in order to get wet with the “alpha cock,” while leaving you to be slaves or fertilizer! You think people are too stupid to run secret societies that capture whole nations, yet you assign that very same attribute to women as if it’s some grand scheme to put women into power to destroy society. Or maybe you think everyone is just plain stupid because they are putting women into “useless jobs.” I think that speaks volumes of your own intelligence if you cannot understand the greater picture.

        If I didn’t know any better, and was nearly as nutty as you, I’d say you were a government disinformation operative. I’m smarter than that, I see you’re too sorry a boy to be capable of such a demanding job.

        I’ve got my own issues with women, but it sounds like your blue-balls have turned into blue-brains. I’d go get ‘em check out if I were you…

        • You think people are too stupid to run secret societies that capture whole nations, yet you assign that very same attribute to women as if it’s some grand scheme to put women into power to destroy society.

          There is no “grand scheme”. You just fail at reading comprehension.

          I’ve got my own issues with women, but it sounds like your blue-balls have turned into blue-brains. I’d go get ‘em check out if I were you…

          You have your own issues with women? You said you married into a billionaire family. I did some internet searching and found you to be a liar. You’re not married at all. You say at Roissys that you refuse girlfriends and marriage and that you’re a virgin. While I have no problem with either of those things, I have a problem with lying liars like you. You’re proof that conspiracy theorists have trouble with honesty. Consider yourself banned for trying to pull this bullshit.

        • Oh and one more thing, I can never be banned.

          You can be ignored though, which pretty much serves the same purpose.

        • @Leos

          You’ve never commented on my blog, (peterman has). I have to off of past reputation/involvement. Sorry.

  12. Ferdinand Bardamu gave a glowing review to a book by Jack Donovan. Right, the Alternative Right Odin worshipping fags will lead us all to victory.

    That site is completely useless now.

      • Sure, it’s always been dogshit, but the flop sweat is really pouring down now, and Ferd’s attempt to project casual disdain, along with the Exile-level retardation among the commetariat, makes it extra sweet to watch his site’s decline.

        • Beautifully put.

          “Exile-level retardation” is a great insight. It’s like all the annoying aspects of the Exile minus any of the interesting or insightful parts. It’s a weird mix of the worst parts of the Exile mindset and the Jim Goad mindset, minus any of the occasional flashes of intelligence.

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