Minorities Aren’t Androgynous

The red pillers like to point out that men and women are different.  Of course, they’re taking this position because they perceive blue pillers as taking the position that men and women are exactly the same.  The red pillers are right about men and women being different if for no other reason than women have totalitarian impulses than men don’t.  (Feminism is evidence of this.)  However, the red pillers are still wrong for one reason.  They think that only white men and white women are different.

I have noticed that the red pillers treat each minority like blacks as a single androgynous mass.  They don’t recognize that black men and black women are different or that hispanic men and hispanic women are different, etc.  This affects all of the red pillers beliefs.  For example, they think that black men and black women benefit from affirmative action equally.  In reality black women have a higher affirmative action status than black men because black women are considered double minorities for being both black and women whereas black men are considered only a single minority.  This puts black men and white women at the same affirmative action status.  Since women are considered bigger victims than men, white women end up benefiting more from affirmative action than black men.  College attendance rates are a good example of this because colleges typically have significantly more women than men.  If affirmative action was benefiting black men over white women the student body of most colleges would have more men than they do now.  Clearly, affirmative action is benefiting women and not minority men.

What all of this means is that the red pillers don’t truly believe that men and women are different.  To them minorities are androgynous.  They only think that white men and white women are different because they are white vagina worshipers, and that requires a belief that white men and white women are different.

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49 responses to “Minorities Aren’t Androgynous

  1. I am a white male in the UK. I have noticed black women have it better than white men. They get all the comfortable government jobs.

    So black women are rewarded for discarding and betraying black men. Abusive black single mothers go to prison to work, helping punish the black kids they neglected!

    • I oppose single mothers as much as anyone on here, but I believe in individual responsibility. Except for the truly insane and mentally retarded, a man is responsible for his actions. There is no excuse for criminal behavior, only liberals make excuses fr criminal behavior. So yes, blame the single moms, but blame the men too.

      • A lot of men are in prison for none violent crimes. A lot of people in prison are mentally ill in for things a women would not go to jail for.

        Lots of men are in for a short term stay because their wife or girlfriend accused them of violence. Please don’t rationalize the prison system to me bro.

  2. this is an incredibly complex topic…

    IE one can make a salient argument that “class” is much stronger than race or even gender….

    However, one thing I’ve been saying for a long while is that the world views of a so-called alternative right blogger like GL Piggy and a so called liberal rad fem like Amanda Marcotte are far more similar than different…

    http://dearwhitefeminists.wordpress.com/update/

    GL Piggy just uses concepts like HBD (the new phrenology) to try to justify his views. Amanda Marcotte hides behind “patriarchy” and has to rationalize a few more things that don’t add up to maintain her world view.

    I wish this is something I could prove with a lice little mathematical formula…

    But this is why I’ve been saying many places that the so-called alternative right has NOTHING TO DO WITH MEN”S RIGHTS.

    I’ve tried to present this at the so-called men’s rights site Genderratic but it seemed to go right over Ginko’s head and he got defensive. This is also why I’ve gotten so angry with Elam over the IMF thing. These guys might as well let rad fem’s into their camp who hve literally said they hate men….

    I wish I could be more articulate with this here but hopefully you see the thought process I am trying to lay out here…

  3. I take it this post is a response to my earlier comment. Did you read the links I provided in the comment?

    If affirmative action was benefiting black men over white women the student body of most colleges would have more men than they do now. Clearly, affirmative action is benefiting women and not minority men.

    Nope. All that shows is that affirmative action benefits women over men. Black women over black men, white women over White men. In my initial comment I provided proof of the large extent of affirmative action for minorities, if all women had this extent of affirmative action, there would be almost no men attending, not 43% men as it is now. A 230 point SAT advantage is huge, that’s over one standard deviation. Look at the 75% of seats that can be given to Whites and Asians, ignoring AA for Blacks and Hispanics. Currently about 57% of those go to women. If White women had a one standard deviation advantage over White men, and one standard deviation was the cutoff point for admission, then 15.9% of White women would qualify for admissions compared to only 2.2% of White men, and about 93% of the seats would go to White women.(For those who don’t understand how I calculated that, read Wikipedia: standard deviation) So it is ridiculous to suggest that White women have the same AA advantage that Black men get.(And both Black men and Black women get that AA advantage)

  4. oh, yeah but goes without saying, the whole way femanazi’s present the “privilege” argument is counter-intuitive and just a broad attempt to keep themselves at the top of the victim hierarchy…

    No one in the real world considers a poor, illiterate white man born in the Appalachian Mountains to be more privileged that Barrack Obama or Michele Obama.

    and on the flip side, the alter righties are tools for thinking that elites like Mitt Romney saw them as anything other than disposable objects to be used on oil fields or in oil wars to build greater wealth and be thrown away. There is no race unity for elites like Romney, it’s all a cognitive dissonance that idiots like Chuck Crudd, er Chuck Ross think they are owed something because they are white men who haven’t done shit. It’s the same entitlement Marcotte carries because she is a white woman with a vagina.

  5. I don’t deny that there are differences between Black women and Black men. I deny there are differences that really make a difference. For example, some Black women complain about White women “stealing our men.” Black men complain about Black women being “bitches” and treating them like children. Both groups blame each other for out of wedlock births. If you troll Black websites you will see this yourself. But does it make a difference to me as a White man? No. Both groups vote for democrat socialist policies. Both groups vote for affirmative action. And they aren’t being duped by it, they all benefit enormously from it. Even if the Black men complain about child support payments, they vote for Democrat feminists. Even if Black women complain about miscegenation, they never use their political power to fight it, which they easily could.

  6. For example, some Black women complain about White women “stealing our men.”

    I’ve heard white women complain about the same thing with Asian women stealing their men.

    Black men complain about Black women being “bitches” and treating them like children.

    White American men do the same thing with White American women. Have you read the manosphere and MRA blogs?

    Both groups blame each other for out of wedlock births. If you troll Black websites you will see this yourself.

    White out of wedlock births have been on the rise in recent years, and as this rise has happened you now see the same debate starting to pop up more and more among white men and white women. Look at shows like Teen Mom on MTV and the deadbeat dad and divorce court debates that occur among white feminists and white men. If you troll white feminist and white men’s sites you will see this yourself.

    If black men and black women aren’t any different in any ways that matter, then by your standards neither are white men and white women.

    • Grizzly, I never maintained that White men and women were the same. They are very different, as any reader of MRA or dark enlightenment sites or anyone who has ever visited Jezebel can tell you. White women and men do all the stuff you described, but much more, they actually VOTE based on this stuff. While almost all Black democrats will cite race and economics as the main factors in their politics, a good chunk of White Democrats will cite gender issues. White conservatives care as well, just look at the abortion issue. A lot of Blacks oppose abortion, but most vote Democrat anyway. So when the Black family quarrels may find it entertaining to watch, but it’s not my family, and it won’t affect my family, so it doesn’t make much a difference to me.

      • Grizzly, I never maintained that White men and women were the same.

        I know you didn’t. That’s my exact point. You’re implying that white men and women are so different from each other in ways that black men and black women aren’t, yet all the examples you gave for why black men and black women are supposedly virtually indistinguishable from each other apply to white men and white women too.

        They are very different, as any reader of MRA or dark enlightenment sites or anyone who has ever visited Jezebel can tell you.

        Yes, just like black men and women are very different, just like any reader of a black male-oriented site (such as Tariq Nasheed or Tommy Sotomayor’s sites) or anyone who has ever visited Essence, the black equivalent of Jezebel, can tell you.

        The examples you use to prove that black men and women are so similar equally apply to white men and women. The examples you use to prove that white men and white women are so radically different equally apply to black men and women.

        You’re just cherrypicking things and looking at the evidence in inconsistent ways so as to confirm your biases and allow you to create a nonsensical double standard with no basis in reality.

        • Dumbass, those were EXAMPLES OF DIFFERENCES.

          White women and men do all the stuff you described, but much more, they actually VOTE based on this stuff. While almost all Black democrats will cite race and economics as the main factors in their politics, a good chunk of White Democrats will cite gender issues. White conservatives care as well, just look at the abortion issue. A lot of Blacks oppose abortion, but most vote Democrat anyway. So when the Black family quarrels may find it entertaining to watch, but it’s not my family, and it won’t affect my family, so it doesn’t make much a difference to me.

          THAT is why they are “so similar.”

        • White man, you IDIOT, I KNOW you are using those as examples of differences. My point is, what you are using as examples of differences in white people, those same differences exist in black people. You seem to think that pointing out that both black men and black women overwhelmingly vote Democrats somehow negates that the same differences you describe in the white community equally apply to the black community.

          You have some audacity to call someone a dumbass when you’re the one actually making a stupid point. A stupid point that I actually understood and stated correctly, as well as refuted. But then again, if you were smart you wouldn’t be a white nationalist to begin with.

        • White Man, you seem to be unable to tell the difference between someone who doesn’t understand your argument versus someone who totally understands your point but disagrees with because it’s stupid, inconsistent and nonsensical, and points out the reasons why. I fall into the latter category.

        • By the way, you point out how the differences between black men and black women don’t matter because at the end of the day they don’t use their political power to fight child support, feminism, and miscegenation by voting Republican. What effective rollbacks again the child support system and feminism have national Republicans achieve? Even at times when they controlled the Presidency and the Congress, what moves or even lip service did they pay toward rolling back feminism, backing men’s rights, and making family courts fairer toward men?

          Republicans and Democrats both appease feminists, both have white knight platforms, and both value female interests over male interests. Republicans are the biggest pussy beggars of all. They just prefer traditional pussy begging over progressive forms of pussy begging, but at the end of the day they still let the progressivism through. That’s what I mean when I say your premise is flawed. You actually believe in this Democrat/Republican thing, when Republicans don’t have men’s interests at heart any more than Democrats do.

          And I have no idea what you mean about miscegenation. I don’t know what political action black women can take against miscegenation, or what major politician, either Republican or Democrat, would ever push an anti-miscegenation agenda and expect to win.

          I notice many manospherians, WNs, and scientific racists actually believe that Republicans exist out there who can and will openly advocate for their racist positions without committing political suicide.

    • I’ll summarize what I believe “White Man” is saying: white men/women’s differences uniquely spill over into political party affiliation in the US, with white women gravitating toward the Democratic Party, & white men the Republican Party. American black men/women, on the other hand, vote majority(90+%) Democrat consistently in every election, regardless of gender(aka their differences of gender-driven opinion/interests don’t spill over into their voting habits, with very little exception). The undying support of the monolith of woman/minority is how the Democrat Party thrives(has thrived) in the dystopia known as America, and there is very little to suggest, from my vantage point, that that will change any time soon.

      • This is not to indicate my support of the modern feminized Republican Party; not at all. My point was rather to illustrate how the chief purveyors of white wymyn’s feminaziism(Democrats) co-opt(to this day) minorities(male & female) in their war on the (mostly white)male(their only remaining threat).

        • When I complain about people voting for the Democrats, a lot of people will point out that the Republicans are just as bad, so why berate democrat supporters? Because a person supporting the Democratic party means that they support affirmative action, whereas a person supporting the Republican party means, usually, that they oppose it. It’s not hard to see whose side we must come down on, not on the side of the Republican party, but on the side of the Republican voters.

        • When I complain about people voting for the Democrats, a lot of people will point out that the Republicans are just as bad, so why berate democrat supporters? Because a person supporting the Democratic party means that they support affirmative action, whereas a person supporting the Republican party means, usually, that they oppose it. It’s not hard to see whose side we must come down on, not on the side of the Republican party, but on the side of the Republican voters.

          For all the lip service Republicans make against affirmative action, I have yet to see a major Republican make major strides against it. And while I do think race-based affirmative action needs to go, there’s still a problem of such things like legacy admissions.

          The big problem with a lot of these middle-class and lower white people who believe Republicans are somehow their saviors is that they only focus on the Democrats screw over white men like them in favor of poor blacks, but they ignore how Republicans screw over white men like them in favor of rich patrician white people that they’ll never join the ranks of. So socialism and free perks the Democrats give poor blacks pisses them off, but socialism for the rich and constant pro-business perks Republicans and business-friendly Democrats advocate are okay, even though it’s screwing over the same middle and working class whites. Pro-immigration stances of Democrats are bad, because those immigrants come here and take jobs, but pro-free trade and pro-business stances Republicans recommend that shift those factories and jobs overseas are okay, even though they screw the same middle-class and lower-class whites. Affirmative action that Democrats support is bad, but the legacy admissions that Republicans don’t mention that screw over the same middle-class and working class whites who don’t have the right connections, let’s ignore that.

          This is operating under the idea that there even really is a practical difference in these views among Republicans and Democrats, which I don’t believe in the first place. I don’t think actual national Republicans will ever really make an effort to roll back affirmative action and feminism or that Democrats will ever really fight socialism for the rich (see Obama’s bailouts) or legacy admissions. It’s all a farce.

        • If there were ever enough of an anti-feminist sentiment amongst the American voting public, the Republican party would be in a better position to exploit that sentiment politically since the Democrats would never betray their loyal fan base of liberal feminist wymyn & minority dependents(ie–single black moms). That’s certainly not to say that it’s likely to happen, or that the Republicans even want to pursue mens’ rights, as history obviously shows they didn’t even when they had the majority recently(which is something I’m still pretty bitter about).

        • If there were ever enough of an anti-feminist sentiment amongst the American voting public, the Republican party would be in a better position to exploit that sentiment politically since the Democrats would never betray their loyal fan base of liberal feminist wymyn & minority dependents(ie–single black moms).

          I don’t know, I think the Republicans are just as big white knights for women as Democrats are. The only disagreement is over the proper way to white knight. For example look at the attitudes of these Fox News commentators toward Dr. Helen. Those Fox News commentators attitudes in this clip represent the typical mainstream conservative attitude toward men who refuse to organize their lives around filling female needs:

          It’s the typical “man up” and “step up to responsibility” nonsense. The old school macho idea that men are obligated to find a woman and take care of all her needs. That’s why Republicans are as rabid about enforcing child support laws as Democrats: it’s the man’s duty to step up and take care of the woman and his family, and he shouldn’t complain about it.

        • “http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SGVuWDbu_ng”

          She would probably be treated better on [P]MSNBC….god, what a bunch of elitist cunts!

        • No, honestly, looking at the clip I’m just aghast at the total obliviousness of the 3 hosts, especially that mealy-mouthed little red-headed pipsqueak faggot on the left. It’s so hard to know where to begin to dissect these shitheads & their idiotic assertion that we should “man up” & accept the 66% divorce rate(initiated 99.9% by wymyn), and the New Orleans-style racket that is divorce court….yes, the greatest feeling in the world is accepting the “responsibility” of being a 2 out of 3 statistic & losing everything, including your dignity, to some narcissistic shrilly shrew like that glorified porn star sitting in the middle between those 2 pieces of douche bread……god, wonder Ba-rot O’butthole won the last 2 elections….THIS is the new Republicans???? These fucking YUPPIES?????

        • THIS is the new Republicans???? These fucking YUPPIES?????

          These attitudes aren’t representative of a “new” Republicanism…traditional conservatives have always been the biggest white knights in the world. They believe women have no agency. It’s one of the problems Black Pill points out with many conspiracy theorists who hate leftists. They believe women have no agency:

          http://omegavirginrevolt.wordpress.com/2013/08/23/in-conspiracy-theory-women-have-no-agency/

          While Republicans aren’t exactly conspiracy theorists, they too believe that women have no agency. They believe that feminism is something leftists, Jews, minorities, Democrats, whatever, foisted upon poor, innocent white women, and that it’s their job to protect white women from these evil forces. What the guys in those clip are doing, where they demand that men step up and marry women no matter what they do, and that the honor of being accepted by a woman to take care of her her whole life is the highest calling and honor a man can have, that type of white knighting is typical of conservatism and Republicans.

          Look at the Republican party and all the women in positions of power. The female political strategists, the female politicians, and how they had a female vice presidential candidate. Look at all the makeup of Fox News and all the women there. Even conservative media is very feminist. And this commenter White Man is going to act like the differences between black men and black women don’t matter to white people due to the fact blacks overwhelmingly vote Democrat? As if the Democrats are the only source of the problem and the Republicans are the saviors?

          The only thing new about these new republicans is that they now mix the old-school woman-worshipping philosophies of traditional conservatism with the newer woman-worshipping philosophies of progressivism. Both of them refuse to acknowledge white female agency. But the chivalrous attitudes of the traditional conservatism is what’s at play in that Fox News clip, and it’s an old-school, outdated philosophy that doesn’t work in the current reality.

        • Here’s a good example of Republicans saying women have no agency. They’re now saying that abortion, something men have absolutely no control over, is caused by men. That’s how bad Republicans are at denying female agency/responsibility.

          They believe that feminism is something leftists, Jews, minorities, Democrats, whatever, foisted upon poor, innocent white women, and that it’s their job to protect white women from these evil forces.

          Effectively, they believe that leftist MEN, Jewish MEN, minority MEN, Democrat MEN, etc. forced feminism on to women. Even when they say leftists, Jews, Democrats, etc., they really mean only the men in those groups.

        • I gave up on Republicans after they showed their true feminist colors from ’02-’06 when they had the chance to make a real difference, only to disappoint & then cede the control levers to Pelosi in ’06 & then Obama in ’08. Now they go the opposite & let progressivism seep into their white-knightery, and the result is absolutely sickening, putrid & nauseating, like the FOX Propaganda clip. I only briefly watched FOX around the initial Iraq invasion(’03) and I quickly found out what pandering, two-faced phonies & hypocrites they were, but I had no idea! It wasn’t Dubya & his war mongering, phony Texas drawl & stupid cowboy hat & chewing hayseeds on his stupid backwoods Crawford ranch that obliterated the moderate, centrist(read: electable) image of Republicans & cost McCain & Romney….it was FUX News(go figure)! Hell, at least the trad cons of old would encourage upright-yet-undesirable autistic-like men to join the priesthood or something, not try to con them into the modern, progressive hell of our kangaroo-court, wealth-redistibutory court system.

        • Here’s a good example of Republicans saying women have no agency. They’re now saying that abortion, something men have absolutely no control over, is caused by men. That’s how bad Republicans are at denying female agency/responsibility.

          Wow, typical. Democrats are white knights who think women are victims with no agency who need protection from evil men forcing them to have babies, and Republicans are white knights who think women are victims with no agency who need protection from evil men forcing them to have abortions. And both sides think a man should happy to sign up to be raked over the coals financially via marriage.

          Also, if you read the comments to the article you linked to, even the conservatives who disagreed with the article only disagree about who specifically “conned” the women of America, and never consider the idea that women have agency and weren’t conned into anything.

          Yet to race-obsessed commenters like white man, blacks are the problem for voting democrats. Because he seriously believes Republicans are the solution.

        • I think, at this point, any legitimate mens rights political movement in America would most likely have to take place outside the 2 dominant, mainstream political parties, which is also the very same reason it probably will never happen(at least in our lifetimes). The mainstream, of course, has done the opposite: pushed us further and further out of it.

  7. BP, you’re right: just as the (black) civil rights movement was getting somewhere by c.1970, the white feminist 2nd wave movement popped up and co-opted all the attention and the claim to über victimhood. Women with elite private college educations such as Betty Friedan jumped right to the head of the line, claiming first dibs on all the seats in the lifeboat for women. Black women were welcome to tag along, so long as they knew their place. Which meant toeing the party line and not supporting their men in any way.

    Feminism was practically the worst thing to happen to blacks. There are numerous examples of such covert liberal white racism in action. I always took the level of Oprah’s popularity as the black white women really could like as a measure of the extent of white women’s submerged guilt.

    Lots of red pillers are mostly just shills for the second feminist party when they get around to bothering with such matters. That’s why they default to common lesser-evilists, which is exactly the box their assigned prison guards want them in. They don’t understand that the Republitard Party exists to co-opt, contain, quell and defuse any populist uprising from the right.

    I mean, if you listen to the red pillers, they’re main concern seems to be not catching “slut rabies”. lol

    • They don’t understand that the Republitard Party exists to co-opt, contain, quell and defuse any populist uprising from the right.

      Oh of course. I ask people like that to follow the money. Who funds the Republican party? Almost always the funders are big business and rich individuals, who almost always support the dominant ideological paradigm but don’t want to pay any taxes for it. They in their personal lives largely live like their left-feminist neighbors, they identify much more with Sandra Fluke than they do with a middle American Christian traditionalist. They also do not identify with White Americans, their racial views have the same hypocrisy of their liberal neighbors, they live in White communities while berating middle Americans for being “racist.” This is why even when Republicans had both Congress and the presidency under their control, from 2002-2006 they did nothing about feminism or affirmative action.

  8. The red pillers are right about men and women being different if for no other reason than women have totalitarian impulses than men don’t. (Feminism is evidence of this.)

    I wouldn’t say that. Feminism is the end result of an ideology designed to privilege women over men. Look at the Taliban for the polar opposite of that. What we need is a cultural and political system that controls the behavior of both genders adequately in accordance with the common good of the nation.

    It is interesting your “for no other reason” comment? Do you deny the great difference in sexual behavior? A lot of MRAs have a feminist mindset whereby the only innate difference in the sexes is that one sex is innately evil.

  9. The funny thing is that “Black Pill” used to be an avowed nationalist. Before he called himself “Black Pill,” he called himself “White and Nerdy.” Perhaps he hates white women so much he sees forcing them to fornicate with blacks as a fitting punishment.

    • The funny thing is that “Black Pill” used to be an avowed nationalist. Before he called himself “Black Pill,” he called himself “White and Nerdy.”

      Just because someone uses “white” in the name of something doesn’t make them a white vagina worshiper. Unless, you think that Weird Al Yankovic who created the song, white and nerdy, is also a white vagina worshiper.

      • Sometimes I wonder if these white nationalists are really that dumb or if these are just trolls pretending to be dumb for a laugh. Why is this site attracting so many WNs lately anyway. Before it was game defenders, now it’s racists.

  10. All this talk about affirmative action distracts from the most important thing: the Jews. So what if some Black gets a scholarship while his brothers go to jail. The black with a scholarship will end up in jail in the end and the Jews will still control the Federal Reserve Bank.

    • That is true, Rattack. The Black that goes to college will still have a terrible time finding a job or getting quality poontang as well.

  11. This kind of argument and the issues portrayed by it are mostly a north american thing.
    But I agree. From an outsider’s perspective, it often does seem like minorities are defaulted as just minorities and not given the same depth of understanding as whites. And that includes dumping black men and women together, despite both of them being in situations as significantly different as white men and women.
    And of course this has its own disastrous effects on the USA’s politics. But people are smarting up, slowly, and with great opposition from those that benefit from having the minorities as a card, but it is happening.

    • The perception in the US of black men/women being united more than their white counterparts stems largely from the reality of 90+% of blacks consistently voting for the Democratic party, whereas white women tend to vote Democrat, & white men republican(hence all the accusations you may have heard after Obama’s re-election that the republicans are the party of “bitter, out-of-touch, old white men”. I know others here will disagree, but I feel strongly that the political divide among white men/women is telling of an endemic separation of understanding & lack of community among them that just isn’t nearly as visible in any other race(at least not politically), and probably a main reason that American white men can’t gain any sympathy for their collective/individual concerns from either the mainstream or “alternative” medias(if their women won’t support them, who will?).

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