It’s Dishonesty And Fraud, Not A Difference Of Opinion Or Worldview

All of you know by now that Matt Forney revealed himself to be Ferdinand Bardamu.  This means a lot of things.  It means that while Paul Elam was defending “Ferdinand Bardamu” to me, Matt Forney/Ferdinand Bardamu was attacking him practically at the same time.  Paul Elam really can pick his allies.  That’s not as important as other aspects of this revelation.  All of you should remember that I was accused by manospherians of being the same person as Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Tech.  While that’s a flattering comparison, what Matt Forney’s revelation proves is that the reason why I was accused of being PMAFT is not because there’s any evidence of us being the same person.  It’s because the manospherians make use of multiple identities for the purpose of deception like Matt Forney did, and they project it on to their enemies.

This is part of a larger pattern within the so called manosphere and related communities like the conspiracy theorists and the gamers.  They lie, scam, and commit fraud.  Too much of the disagreement with the so called manosphere, the Paleo-Game Cult and the gamers contains an implicit assumption, that the manosphere, the Paleo-Game Cult and the gamers are honest but misguided people.  This is not the case.  They may believe what they’re selling (although we have to question just how many of them are true believers vs. scammers).  Even the true believers are willing to lie and deceive you.  Whenever I have attacked the manosphere, gamers, the Paleo-Game Cult or even dating advice in general, a large component of my attacks has always been pointing out their lies, scams, and fraud.  This is because I don’t have a difference of opinion with these people.  This isn’t a matter a differing worldviews.  The so called manosphere, the Paleo-Game Cult, the gamers, and others involved in the dating advice industry are LYING to you.  They are trying to DEFRAUD you.  They are trying to SCAM you.

There are examples of lies, scams, and fraud in related communities like the conspiracy theorists.  For example, Hawaiian Fat Blob has often said that the Illuminati and devil worshipers ruling the world were nothing more than attempts to discredit “real” conspiracy theory.  It turns out he was lying about this.  He admitted that he believes in the Illuminati and that things are run by devil worshipers.  Just like the gamers, conspiracy theorists are lying to you and trying to defraud you.  (This is one of the reasons why I have said before that conspiracy theorists will stab the MRM in the back eventually.)

Whether it’s the gamers, the conspiracy theorists, or any of the other related manosphere groups, our strongest argument against them is their own lies, scams, and attempts at fraud.  We must constantly speak up about their lies, scams, and fraud.

Noah Brand On Abolitionists in 1852

I saw this comment by Noah Brand (of The Castrated Men Project) on Manboobz.

Defining quality of MRAs: when given a choice between making things better for men and making things worse for women, they will always and invariably choose the latter. It’s reliably diagnostic.

Here is Noah Brand speaking in 1852 on abolitionists.

Defining quality of abolitionists: when given a choice between making things better for Negro slaves and making things worse for Southern slave owners, they will always and invariably choose the latter. It’s reliably diagnostic.

The Ghost Of Inmalafide

Inmalafide may be dead, but its ghost lives on.  Back when it was around, Paul Elam defended his linkage to Inmalafide despite supposedly being against everything Inmalafide stood for (white supremacism, conspiracy theory, etc.)  What’s really ironic about this is how, the bloggers at Inmalafide regularly attacked the MRM for various reasons and attacked Paul Elam in particular.  The former Inmalafide bloggers are still doing this.  Recently, Paul Elam had to respond to Matt Forney, one of the former Inmalafide Paleo-Game cult nutjobs, who was using “real man” mumbo jumbo to attack Paul Elam’s decisions.

This is what Paul Elam got for supporting and defending Inmalafide, a herd of Paleo-Game cult nutjobs who are busy attacking him.  Had Paul Elam actually followed his claimed beliefs, he wouldn’t have had to deal with this problem and could focus more on fighting actual feminism.  Since he still links to Hawaiian Fat Blob, it’s obvious Paul Elam hasn’t learned anything from this experience.

Why Do I Care About Gamers, Conspiracy Theorists, Etc.?

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I get asked from time to time why do I spend so much time on gamers, conspiracy theorists, paleo dieters, etc.  Here is the latest example of this.

Why the hostility towards gamers? If you think that they are worthless and not getting laid, why not just move along? Attention whore? Beta who doesn’t like getting called beta? I really don’t get it. I could give a shit what you think but I am curious, now that I stumbled upon your blog…

There’s only one reason I care about any of these lunatics.  They are invading the mens rights movement.  That’s it.  I’m opposed to the white supremacists invading the MRM for the same reason.  The only reason I even know that there is something called game (much less Roissyite game) or something called the paleo diet is because these lunatics invaded the MRM.  (Obviously, I was aware of conspiracy theorists before my involvement with the MRM.)  I would not have searched them out or even come up with ideas so insane to be able to search them out.

When it comes to conspiracy theorists, I have seen them invade other online communities so I know the result of their invasion.  I have seen forums and blogs on subjects ranging from aviation to video games get ruined by conspiracy theorists who decided to invade them.  In the end the people who came to the forum or blog for aviation, video games, or whatever the actual subject was eventually left since they got tired of arguing against conspiracy theorists.  When enough sane people leave, these blogs and forums get ceded to conspiracy theorists.  While annoying, there are other forums for subjects like video games and aviation.  However, there is only one MRM so if we lose it to the conspiracy theorists, it is gone forever.  Thus we must fight for the MRM against the conspiracy theorists and anyone else who is invading the MRM.

Gamers, conspiracy theorists, paleo dieters, etc. also contribute nothing to the MRM except problems.  There is no benefit to their presence in the MRM.  They don’t do anything for further the cause of mens rights.  (This is not surprising as they have problems holding down jobs and just leaving their houses.)  They don’t even actually believe in mens rights.  They are invading the MRM to look for chumps to run their scams on.  That’s it.  Their presence in the MRM causes huge problems.  They push out sane anti-feminist men and give ammo to the enemies of the MRM by tying us down with insane ideas that have no relevance to the MRM like racism and conspiracy theory.  These people are useless and an albatross around the MRM’s neck.  The more of them we push out of the MRM the better.

I have noticed how whenever the question of why I care about gamers, conspiracy theorists, the paleo diet, etc. comes up there is always an attempt to paint me (or anyone else who is against them) as irrationally hostile and angry and attacking them for no reason.  Like above, I’m asked why don’t I “move along”.  The gamers, conspiracy theorists, paleo dieters, etc. are like burglars who break into your house.  When you realize your house has been broken into, you get your gun, find the burglars and order them to leave, but they respond with, “Why are you so hostile?  We haven’t done anything to you?  Why are you pointing a loaded gun at us?”  That’s the equivalent of the invaders behavior.  They are burglars who are trying to rob the MRM’s “house”.  I can’t “move along” just as I refuse to give up my house to burglars.

I want to see the MRM succeed.  The only way for the MRM to succeed is to get rid of the gamers, conspiracy theorists, paleo dieters, white supremacists, and anyone else who is invading the MRM to run a scam.  If all the invaders would leave the MRM alone, I wouldn’t talk about them anymore and move on to other ways to advance mens rights.

The Kooks Aren’t MRAs

The SPLC decided to quote my post where I talk about the problem of kooks invading the MRM giving fodder to the SPLC.

This is a lesson that some MRAs are beginning to learn for themselves. “With all of the kooks inhabiting the manosphere, it was easy for the SPLC to smear anti-feminism,” one MRA site sadlyconcluded after our article appeared. “The problem is larger than just AVfM. Even rational anti-feminist blogs and organizations like the False Rape Society and SAVE [Stop Abusive and Violent Environments] are being tarnished with the same brush because the MRM ‘leadership’ has failed to deal with the kooks.”

Does the SPLC admit that FRS and SAVE are rational?  It looks like the SPLC screwed up on that one.

The SPLC gets it wrong because they want to smear the MRM by linking it to white supremacism and other fringe movements.  What has happened is that the MRM has become a target for every fringe marginalized group of kooks from white supremacists to conspiracy theorists to traditionalist conservatives to Roissyite gamers to various other groups who are trying to annex the MRM can convert MRAs into members of their own movements.  These groups are where the kooks are coming from.  The kooks aren’t MRAs.  They pretend to have similar views to MRAs in order to make their own movements larger.  They think that the growing numbers of disaffected men can be harnessed for their own ends.  This doesn’t work, and those fringe groups reveal their true colors and start attacking the MRM.  (Often, this will involve some accusations that the MRM is feminism because MRAs want equality for men.)  A good place for examples of this is Inmalafide which the SPLC calls a MRM website despite the fact that nearly all the people there now hate the MRM to varying degrees.

The SPLC will never admit to this reality.  If they did, then they wouldn’t be able to fake having a legitimate argument against the MRM.  That’s why its key for them to link the MRM to blogs like Inmalafide and Roosh despite the fact that both sites have made it clear that they are anti-MRM.  The SPLC is trying to the same thing the kooks are, but for different reasons.

Staying On Topic

I made some updates to How To Tell Real Anti-Feminists From Fake Anti-Feminists page to make it clear that all women didn’t conspire to create feminism as Alek suggested.

On that page InT made a good point.

A good diagnostic, I’ve found: Real anti-feminists stay on topic, for the most part. Fake anti-feminists always veer off into their own pet topics. A recent example is the alt-right types and their obsession over the Trayvon Martin shooting. I don’t think you’d see these clowns anywhere near as obsessed about, say, Thomas Ball’s immolation, or the latest family court tragedy.

This is an excellent test.

What does the Federal Reserve have to do with anti-feminism? Nothing.
What does the paleo diet have to do with anti-feminism? Nothing.
What does game have to do with anti-feminism? Nothing.
What do the Jews have to do with anti-feminism? Nothing.
What do the Rockefellers have to do with anti-feminism? Nothing.
What does the NSA have to do with anti-feminism? Nothing.
What does Trayvon Martin have to do with anti-feminism? Nothing.

Even though these topics and more have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with anti-feminism, the so called manosphere spends more time on any one of these topics than anti-feminism. If they really care about fighting feminism then they would stay on topic. Since they can’t, then they don’t really care about fighting feminism. It’s that simple whether it’s Hawaiian Fat Blob or John the Other and the rest of A Voice for Men.

How To Tell Real Anti-Feminists From Fake Anti-Feminists

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There are lots of people who say that they’re against feminism but aren’t in any sense.  We “know” who is and who isn’t really against feminism, but what is the objective rule to determine this?  Grizzly provides us with an answer.

Because they still put white women on pedestals so badly, they can’t help but think of feminism as something that was done TO white women rather than something that was done BY white women. So even though they’re anti-feminism, they’ve done the weird mental trick of still being woman worshippers, making them truly insane and schizophrenic.

The difference is whether a person thinks that feminism was done BY women or TO women.  If a person thinks feminism was done BY women, then they are really an anti-feminist since they are holding women accountable for their actions.  If a person thinks feminism was done TO women, then they think feminism was done by some other group such as the Jews, liberal men, the Rockefellers, the NWO, communists, minorities, etc. then they aren’t an actual anti-feminist because they aren’t holding women accountable.  Those people are nothing but interlopers trying to take over the mens rights community for the purposes of fighting the Jews or whatever other group they hate.

What does this mean?  Conspiracy theorists, white supremacists, traditionalist conservatives, the “alt right”, and the rest of them are not actual anti-feminists.  This is true in all cases with no exceptions since being a member of one of those groups means that said member thinks that feminism was done TO women.  No exceptions means no exceptions.  Even A Voice for Men is not truly anti-feminist because of all the conspiracy theory from John the Other and the rest of AVfM’s staff because any belief in conspiracy theory means a belief that feminism was done TO women and not by women.

It’s simple, but understanding the difference between feminism being done BY women and feminism being done TO women tells who is really against feminism and who is just a leech.

The Rigid Orthodoxy Of The Red Pill

In the manosphere, lots of guys claim to take the “red pill”.  They act like this means they are independent thinkers, but they are not.  The red pill is an orthodoxy that is as rigid as the blue pill they say they fight.  George had a good comment about this.

I like this whole black pill thing more and more. The *red pill* business is just another iteration of the same old mainstream ideas from the opposite perspective. The *red pill* never really questions the premises of these ideas, it just builds a different delusion from these premises. The best example of this is game – instead of questioning the premise that you need to supplicate to women, it accepted this premise and just developed a different way of supplication.

These days the whole red pill universe has become just another tired old rigid orthodoxy, with every new blog, or new ebook just reiterating the same old stuff. No one ever says anything heretical or new, and if you do, you are shouted down. In this sense it has followed the development of the left, which started off as a rebellion, calcified into an orthodoxy, while still retaining its original mythology of being subversive and counter-cultural as an important part of its self-image.

I always thought that independent, heretical individuals who dont subscribe to any movement or body of ideology are the ones most likely to have the skeptical frame of mind to arrive at the truth. Those who like ideology will just settle down in game or paleo and will ignore all the contrary evidence and internal contradictions. They are not after truth but after the feeling of being subversive and the comfort of being part of a movement. Truly independent individuals truly seeking for truth will eventually see the falsity of game and paleo and all the rest and develop a heterodox view of the world without belonging to any label.

This made me think about everything the red pills believe in.  Here’s a list.

1. Game
2. The Paleo Diet
3. Conspiracy Theory (This can include everything from 9/11 conspiracy theories to conspiracy theories about me.)
4. Meaningless “Self Improvement” (This means self improvement without objective metrics.)
5. Ron Paul
6. White Nationalism (Whether this should be included in the list is debatable)

If anyone thinks something is missing from this list, mention it in a comment so I can include it if it makes sense.   If you deviate from any of these things (except maybe white nationalism) because you’re an independent thinker like myself, you will be treated as a “heretic”.  There is no room in this orthodoxy either.  If you did some objective self improvement like improving your employment and/or financial situation, the red pills would attack it for some bullshit reason like “it supports Goldman Sachs”.  (Yes, I have actually seen them use this.)  For number 5 I said Ron Paul, not Libertarianism.  That is deliberate.  When it comes to politics, the red pills support Ron Paul and Ron Paul only.  They don’t support libertarian candidates, libertarian minded individuals, or the Libertarian Party.  They consider those three things to be “controlled by the banksters”.

Nothing the red pills say or do is subversive.  As Geroge said, they don’t question premises like needing to supplicate to women.  They also don’t get attacked like truly subversive people would.  Instead they perform attacks on real independent thinkers, that they claim is done to them.  The red pills are everything they claim their enemies to be.

Herman Cain Makes David Futrelle Piss In His Pants

Herman Cain could use this hand to bitchslap feminists.

Many of you have noticed that I got written up in a post at Manboobz for my support of Herman Cain and the truth.  All Futurelle proved was that he is illiterate.  He did notice one thing, that I put my money where my mouth is.  That’s not limited to this case.  I always put my money where my mouth is.  I donated to the Herman Cain campaign more money than any of the boobs at Manboobz have seen at one time.

If you think about, it’s clear that Herman Cain makes David Futrelle piss in his pants.  Here we have a man running for president that in a tiny way fought back against feminism.  Even just a small action worries manginas like Futrelle.  Right now we have Herman Cain correctly identifying what happened to him as false accusations.  In the next presidential election we will have a candidate or candidates that will be slightly more anti-feminist.  In the election after that the anti-feminism in the candidates grows and so on for each subsequent election.  Between 2024 and 2032, I could become a viable candidate for president.  Think about that and think about how much Futrelle will be pissing in his pants when that happens.

To Avoid Criticism I Get Accused Of Leading A Conspiracy To Invade Blogs

A while ago I discovered the truth about Susan Walsh of Hookingupmorons and her duplictious nature.  Over time others have discovered the same thing, and they are shouting it from the rooftops at Dalrock’s blog.  I wasn’t aware of this until Ted pointed it out a couple of hours ago.

Despite my lack of involvement in that debate, because Susan Walsh and her sychophants can’t handle the truth, one of her sycophants made up a conspiracy theory that I had orchestrated a conspiracy to invade Dalrock’s blog.  It’s an amazing level of absurdity.  For this to even being to make sense, Susan Walsh and her sycophants have to believe that I have the time and resources of a major computer network to pull off such an operation.  I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised a gamer would believe that.  Most gamers are unable to hold down jobs that pay more than minimum wage so to them I look like a trillionaire.

The gentlemen exposing the truth about Susan Walsh have done some great work.  The desperation of her sycophants to manufacture a conspiracy theory involving me proves that they are losing.  More and more people are learning the truth about Susan Walsh, and a conspiracy theory about me isn’t going to stop that.  It’s only going to accelerate the process since people will ask questions like why would someone defending Susan Walsh need to invoke a conspiracy theory about someone who wasn’t involved in that particular debate.

I’m not angry about being written up in a conspiracy theory like this.  I’m amused, and it only proves I’m right.