The Next Great Manosphere Meetup Of Doom

Last year we had the Great Manosphere Meetup Of Doom in Washington D.C.  For those of you who weren’t around back then, what happened was that a bunch of Roissyite gamer manospherians got together in D.C.  The manospherians believed that they would all be getting laid by super hot babes during this meetup.  What actually happened is that none of the manospherians got laid except someone distantly related to them and not part of the meetup (and the only thing that was confirmed to have happened was a makeout session).  One of manospherians talked to a total of two girls which was more girls than he had talked to the last five months.  They also ended up pushing and pouring beer on a lot of girls (which did not produce any action for them).  As a result of this clusterfuck, no less than four manosphere blogs (The University of Man, Gmac, Fly Fresh & Young, and Alpha Persona) got deleted.

Give how big of a disaster the last meetup was, the smart thing would be for manospherian Roissyite gamers to never have another meetup again.  Since we’re talking about the so called manosphere, we know they will be doing the exact opposite of the smart thing.  And that is exactly what is happening.  The denizens of the RooshV Forums are planning a long term meetup in Russia. Are they going to be heading for Moscow or St. Petersburg?   No if you read through the thread, they are planning to go to someplace in the middle of nowhere of Russia because they think they can find some pocket of hot Russian women who have never ever seen foreigners and will put out for foreigners at the drop of a hat.  Even cities like Novosibirsk are frequented by foreigners too much for their purposes.  Aaron Sleazy has already written two articles (Part 1 and Part 2) showing all the follies of this idea.

If this Russian meetup actually gets off the ground, what will actually happen to the Rooshites in Russia?

1. None of them will get laid unless they go see a hooker (or get ass raped in a Russian prison cell)
2. Lots of beatings from Russian men (and maybe a few Russian women) because pushing women around and pouring beer on them won’t go over well in Russia
3. At least a few suicides
4. Several deaths that will get reported a suicides by corrupt Russian police (see number 2)
5. Several experiences with the Russian prison system
6. Various infections and other medical problems (but not STDs) caused by the Rooshites’ filthy living situation that will inadequately dealt with the third world medical system of wherever the Rooshites end up
7. More manosphere blogs will get deleted out of embarrassment (or just never updated anymore)

I hope the Rooshites actually do this.  Like with last year’s Great Manosphere Meetup of Doom in D.C., it will do more to destroy the so called manosphere faster than we could ever do in an equivalent period of time.

 

The 90s Called. They Want Their Conspiracy Theory Back

Back during the 90s there were popular conspiracy theories around black helicopters.  This conspiracy theory was so silly that it became a term synonymous with conspiracy theorist absurdity and is used to ridicule conspiracy theorists.  Black helicopters is a conspiracy theory that most conspiracy theorists don’t believe in anymore and haven’t believed in for over a decade.  That’s how silly it is, yet that didn’t stop The Spearhead from resurrecting the black helicopters conspiracy theory.  (And the article was written by Bill Price, not Hawaiian Fat Blob like you might expect.)  That article even has several comments from nutjobs who say they have seen black helicopters.

The so called manosphere is a cesspool of conspiracy theory, but this is a new low even for them.  However, I am not surprised.  The so called manosphere doesn’t just pick ideas that are wrong.  They end up believing in the most insane variant of those wrong ideas.  This happens with game, for example.  Nearly all non-Roissyite gamers are just guys trying to get laid.  While these guys are wrong to believe in game, they don’t share the insanity of the Roissyite gamers.  These non-Roissyite gamers don’t believe in conspiracy theory, white supremacism, etc.  The so called manosphere is in the most extreme insane fringe of game.  The same thing happened with conspiracy theory as we see with the so called manosphere’s belief in the black helicopters conspiracy theory.  While all conspiracy theorists are insane, the so called manosphere makes regular conspiracy theorists look sane.

It’s not enough for the so called manosphere to believe in conspiracy theory.  They have to dredge up the most discredited and silly conspiracy theories out there (just like how they have dredged up phrenology which was discredited a century ago and is among the most insane portions of pseudoscience).

Defined By What Makes It Unique

Alek Novy made the important point that what defines game is its unique claims, not what it shares with anything else.  This is important because gamers act as if they completely own the field of dating advice and dealing with women.  Most of the dating advice sphere is made up of non-gamers.

This is also true of Roissyite gamers in relation to the rest of the game community.  Roissyite gamers act as if they own game.  The fact is they don’t.  They think they invented ideas like hypergamy, but they didn’t.  Roissyite gamers have not invented anything when it comes to dealing with women.  The only thing that makes them unique is white supremacism, conspiracy theory, strange diets, collapse porn, lifestyle bullshit, being Ron Paultards, and attempts to break into “markets” who want nothing to do with them like MRAs and men in long term relationships.  This is what defines Roissyite game since this is all that makes it different from the 99.9% of the game community that wants nothing to do with Roissyism.  (This is why non-Roissyite gamers like SocialKenny support me despite our disagreement about game.)

Why can’t Roissyite gamers admit that there is an entire community of gamers other than them (that is at least 1000 times larger than them)?  That’s because they have to hide the fact that they don’t provide anything unique compared to them.  Admitting that there exists a community of gamers other than themselves, automatically leads to comparisons between the non-Roissyite gamers and the Roissyites showing that the only things that make the Roissyites unique are white supremacism, conspiracy theory, strange diets, collapse porn, lifestyle bullshit, being Ron Paultards, etc.  Thus he is almost guaranteed to go to the non-Roissyite gamers over the Roissyites if he knows non-Roissyite gamers exist.

For those of us who are fighting the Roissyite gamers because we want them to leave the MRM alone, we can learn something very important here.  One of the most powerful weapons against the Roissyites are non-Roissyite gamers.  Even though we disagree with the non-Roissyite gamers, they are willing to leave the MRM alone so that makes non-Roissyite gamers and anti-gamers allies.

The Womens Party Won On Tuesday…No Surprise

The Womens Party won the election on Tuesday.  That was no surprise since the Womens Party is made up of the Republican and Democrat wings in addition to the Green, Socialist, Constitution, and other “third party” wings.  The only political party that isn’t part of the Womens Party is the Libertarians (although the Womens Party is trying to annex them).  Gary Johnson isn’t president-elect right now so the Womens Party won.  I expected this result so I know that nothing is different now than on Monday.

The so called manosphere has had a different reaction.  They have gone nuts.  Grizzly provided us with a link to this comment by a Roissyite at Roissy’s blog that went nuts because of Obama’s election (as if Romney would be any less gynocentric) and said that game is somehow going to change things.  It’s gets worse from there.  The responses to that comment include saying that white men need to become more violent and white men need to convert to Islam because Hitler said it would be a good idea.  The only thing missing was another comment sucking Ron Paul’s dick.

Expect more of this insanity from the so called manosphere when it comes to politics because they are unwilling to fight the Womens Party.

On Its Way To Irrelevancy

On the page that I recently wrote about how the red pill idea is fundamentally flawed, Martian Bachelor had this to say.

Thanks for clarifying. I’ve been seeing references to this “red pill” thing in the blogosphere for a long time and had no idea what they were talking about. One can only gather so much from context, even if the people using the term seemed to be confident they knew what they meant by it. I’d just come to think of it as something mostly opaque, like a secret handshake.

This exposes one of the greatest problems with the red pill idea.  For it to make sense, you must have seen at least one of the Matrix movies.  Not everyone has seen them.  Even if a man has seen them, he might not care about what is effectively a minor plot point to remember it when it gets talked about in the so called manosphere.

Over time more and more men are going to have no idea what the red pill is supposed to be about just like how Martian Bachelor had no idea.  The last Matrix movie came out in 2003 and the only real substantial reference to the red pill is in the first movie which came out in 1999.  Take a man who is 30 in 2020.  The first Matrix movie came out when he was 9.  He may never have seen it.  That’s even more likely for a man who is 25 in 1990.  The first Matrix movie only came out when he was 4.

This is why that over time, the whole “red pill” idea will slip into irrelevancy.  For the younger men entering the MRM, the Matrix movies will be something they have never seen or have only a vague memory of.  To them, anyone talking about the “red pill” will look like a bunch of out of touch old men who failed to do anything about the real problems that feminism has created.  (In many ways, this will make the “red pills” similar to conspiracy theorists.  This is no surprise since many, possibly most, of the “red pills” are conspiracy theorists.)

The Real Peterman said, “The whole ‘pill’ thing seems a little divisive to me. I’m a little tired of seeing people talk about which ‘pill’ so-and-so is taking. Why not take that time and effort to educate that person instead?”  That’s a good question.  The answer has to do with the fact that the current “leaders” of the MRM seem to be less interested in building a broad based movement of men to fight feminism and more interested in running a clique of keyboard jockeys that pretend that they are smarter than everyone else because they know the “truth”.  Eventually, there will be men who build a MRM that will do what TRP suggests showing just how irrelevant the “red pill” idea really is.

The Red Pill Idea Is Fundamentally Flawed

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Recently Grizzly said the following.

There’s a disturbing meme I’ve been seeing growing lately, and was wondering what you thought of it. Paul Elam himself even raised it here. There are people who are hearing the critiques of the manosphere and even agree with them, but are viewing them as a necessary evil, as being “better than nothing.” It makes me wonder what will happen if this idea gets traction, the idea that a conspiracy kook gamer blog is a better option than being a regular mainstream joe.

I responded to this with a comment pointing out how this was counterproductive for something that wants to be a successful political movement since I suspect that for every kook gained, the MRM loses hundreds of mainstream joes.  (And that is on top of the fact that the kooks are not capable of achieving their own goals.)  The more I think about, it’s actually worse than this.  This is because the red pill idea is fundamentally flawed.

Elam and others believe that to be against feminism and understand mens rights, you have to take the “red pill”.  Only a tiny group of people have taken the “red pill” so they believe that the vast majority of people are “blue pills” which among other things means that they’re feminists.  The only way to go from “blue pill” to “red pill” is some major transformation in thinking according to the “red pills”.  The “red pill” takers can include all sorts of nutjobs as long as they can talk about how they have gone through this supposed transformation.  The first problem with this is the assumption that most men are “blue pill” feminists.  While almost all women are either feminists or de facto feminists, that isn’t true of men.  I have talked to plenty of mainstream joes IRL and in almost all cases, they understood to varying degrees just how much trouble feminism causes.  This is particularly true of men under the age of 35 or so.  They weren’t “blue pills”, not by a long shot.  They don’t need a mental transformation into becoming a “red pill”.

There is no need to focus on mentally transforming men for the most part.  They are there more or less.  What they need isn’t a bunch of rubbish about pill colors, but organization and a vehicle so that they can engage in real action against feminism.  With all of the mainstream joes I have talked to, the two most common things I hear are, “I thought I was the only one” and “since I’m not the only one, where I can sign up to do something?”  Unfortunately, I have no answer to give to the latter question.  I can’t send them to the manosphere because seeing all the kooks there would be the one thing to convince to become feminist manginas.  All this colored pill rubbish has redirected time and energy to unnecessary crap while ignoring the real need from organization and action.

The “red pill” idea by its very nature attracts kooks.  It’s not about targeting a specific problem, but how everything you know about the world is wrong.  This is why the “red pills” talk a lot about how if you took the red pill in one area, like feminism, you should take it in a bunch of others.  The fact that many men don’t take the red pill in areas beyond feminism is a big complaint among the “red pills”.  Here is an example.

For many of the blogs we consider part of the “manosphere,” the red pill simply represents one or possibly two facets of the system. Feminism. Interpersonal relationships. Money. Food.

Many “manosphere” bloggers and commenters appear to have only taken the red pill with regards to one area or another of the 1%’s overall CAFO management programming. The big pictures eludes many.

This brings us to the next problem with the red pill.  It is never ending.  Someone can always come up with another kook idea that should be added to the red pill.  The paleo dieters can say that you need to include the paleo diet to truly take the red pill.  The white supremacists will say that you need to become a racist to take the red pill.  The conspiracy theorists will say that you need to believe the Rockefellers are behind everything to truly take the red pill.  The anti-semitic conspiracy theorists will say that you believe the Jews are behind everything to truly take the red pill and so on.  There’s always someone who can claim that they have taken a bigger red pill than you.  Of course, when the red pill gets too big you choke on it.

The biggest problem with the “red pill” is that it creates a clique since you end up having to believe a bunch of kook crap to join in.  Anyone who is interested in mens rights and fighting feminism, but not the kook crap is an enemy of the “red pills”.  In fact, the “red pills” are so paranoid, they think that men interested in mens rights and anti-feminism but not their kook crap (in other words mainstream joes) is a shill working for corporations and/or the government. This delays the formation of a broad based mainstream mens rights movement which we need if we’re going to challenge feminism.

All of this is on top of the fact that the creator of the red pill idea was a mangina who decided to chop off his dick and go transsexual to become a woman.  From any angle you want to look at it, the red pill idea is completely screwed up and detrimental to the cause of mens rights and fighting feminism.

Intentional Blindness

There’s a logical fallacy called argument from ignorance.  I have noticed something similar when dealing with Roissyite gamers/the Paleo-Game Cult/”red pills”/etc.  It’s “argument from intentional blindness” where someone tries to pretend some piece of evidence doesn’t exist and attacks anyone who points out how such evidence does exist.

If you really read this blog regularly, then you know unless I’m in a hurry or repeating something for the 15th time or its a site I don’t want to provide traffic to, I provide links when I’m talking about something the Paleo-Game Cult believes or a Roissyite gamer said.  I have not made anything up.  I provide evidence.  Everything I have said about the so called manosphere is based on evidence.  In many cases I’m simply quoting or paraphrasing the insane crap someone in the manosphere has written.  This is why it’s important to actually read the links I provide.

I have noticed that anytime someone from the so called manosphere starts arguing with me, they almost always ignore the evidence I provide.  I saw on a manosphere blog recently where someone quoted something I wrote to make me look crazy.  To do that he had to strip the links from the text he quoted.  This person hid all of the evidence that shows I was right about what I said.  Why hide my links?  Because tis person can’t have anyone actually reading my evidence.  It would destroy his assertion that I’m crazy.

This problem is also seen in other forms in the manosphere.  Back when I was talking about A Voice For Men linking to Hawaiian Fat Blob, Paul Elam admitted to only reading a handful of Hawaiian Fat Blob’s posts.  (Here is an example of me providing a link to show evidence of what I am talking about.)  What happened there was that Paul Elam basically said that because he didn’t read it, everything I have been documenting of Hawaiian Fat Blob’s bullshit or other manosphere bullshit doesn’t exist.

This mentality is pervasive in the manosphere.  I have lost count of how many times I have seen the response of “just ignore them” or “I just ignore the white supremacists/conspiracy theorists/other kooks” when someone points out the white supremacists or other insanity in the manosphere.  Engaging in this kind of intentional blindness doesn’t make them go away.  Plus, they can’t will other people to ignore whatever content they wished to be ignored.  For example, the SPLC will not care that some manosphere residents want to ignore certain people in the manosphere like the white supremacists, conspiracy theorists, or other kooks.  Anybody on the outside who is undecided when it comes to feminism vs. mens rights isn’t going to ignore the kooks in the manosphere just because they are told to by some manosphere denizens.  Cries of “the SPLC (or manboobz) lies!” are not going to be convincing to anyone outside the manosphere when they aren’t going to practice the intentional blindness that many members of the manosphere do.

This is another reason why the concept of the “manosphere” is completely useless.  Not only does it sully the MRM by linking it to white supremacists, conspiracy theorists, Roissyite gamers, paleo dieters, and other kooks, but it makes MRAs look even worse because many manosphere members are arguing from a position that makes them look to be morons or liars to someone on the outside who doesn’t practice intentional blindness.

Endgame: Part 2

In my previous Endgame post, I started talking about how the Paleo-Game Cult is falling apart.  Another reason why the Paleo-Game Cult is falling apart is because of their paranoid delusions about anyone who disagrees with them.  Those of you who have been reading this blog for a while know about all the accusations Roissyite gamers (and the Paleo-Game Cult) have made about how anyone who disagrees with game is a sockpuppet of Alek Novy.  (Like with most of the accusations from the Roissyite gamers & the Paleo-Game Cult, they are just accusing us of what they are doing.  We know this because Roissyite gamers have been caught sockpuppeting.)

The sockpuppeting accusations are only the tip of the iceberg.  Alek has been accused of working with Lady Raine and Denise Romano.  Most of you reading this are probably wondering who these two women are.  They’re a couple of feminist nutjobs who the Roissyite gamers bring up as a boogeyman.  Lady Raine was the woman who outed Roissy’s real name and job.  These two have more or less vanished, but Alek still got accused of working with them.  It’s an example of the the Roissyite gamers & the Paleo-Game Cult just dig a deeper hole for themselves.

It still gets worse.  I have been accused of being a feminist troll and running a false flag operation.  This guy has also lied by saying that I have called for the elimination of women and lied by saying that Alek is a virgin.  We’re already at the point where disagreeing with the Paleo-Game Cult no matter how much or how little you disagree with them gets you labeled a “feminist troll” and someone who is running a “false flag operation” on top of the many other lies they will make up about you.

This sort of thing isn’t limited to one person.  Hawaiian Fat Blob says that the manosphere has “PsyOp Shills & DisInfo Troll Whores” (in addition to sockpuppets) working for the government and corporations.  He even says that he won’t debate anyone he suspects of being one of these “PsyOp shill government agents” which is just a convenient way of avoiding the facts.  The comments at that post are even worse.  One comment accuses someone at The Spearhead of being one of these “PsyOp shill government agents” for what I can only determine is the “crime” of disagreeing with the Paleo-Game Cult.  Another comment says that there are two of these “PsyOp shill government agents” are bloggers on Hawaiian Fat Blob’s blogroll (in addition to accusing anyone involved with the paleo diet who thinks eating a bit a grains is a good idea as an agent of Monsanto or other corporations).

While the Paleo-Game Cult was always extremely paranoid, these examples show us how the Paleo-Game Cult is becoming even more paranoid.  Anyone who has even a minimal disagreement with these people will be attacked as “disinfo shill” or “government agents”.  They’re even doing it to their fellow paleo dieters.  They’re getting ready to attack MRAs with these lies.  How long will it be until MRAs like PMAFT or Elusive Wapiti become the recipient of these attacks?  Not long, and this will be another reason the Paleo-Game Cult will die.  Being attacked as a “government agent” or a sockpuppet isn’t going to be tolerated by the larger group of MRAs and will only serve to isolate the Paleo-Game Cult from everyone else bringing to the cult closer to complete and total irrelevance and death.

The Ghost Of Inmalafide

Inmalafide may be dead, but its ghost lives on.  Back when it was around, Paul Elam defended his linkage to Inmalafide despite supposedly being against everything Inmalafide stood for (white supremacism, conspiracy theory, etc.)  What’s really ironic about this is how, the bloggers at Inmalafide regularly attacked the MRM for various reasons and attacked Paul Elam in particular.  The former Inmalafide bloggers are still doing this.  Recently, Paul Elam had to respond to Matt Forney, one of the former Inmalafide Paleo-Game cult nutjobs, who was using “real man” mumbo jumbo to attack Paul Elam’s decisions.

This is what Paul Elam got for supporting and defending Inmalafide, a herd of Paleo-Game cult nutjobs who are busy attacking him.  Had Paul Elam actually followed his claimed beliefs, he wouldn’t have had to deal with this problem and could focus more on fighting actual feminism.  Since he still links to Hawaiian Fat Blob, it’s obvious Paul Elam hasn’t learned anything from this experience.

Endgame: Part 1

I’m starting a new series of posts called Endgame about the end of the Paleo-Game Cult.  (These posts will all be part of the Endgame category.)  This week we have gotten the official announcement that Ferdinand Bardamu is closing down Inmalafide.  He has already taken the content down.  If you go there now, it’s nothing but a bunch of links to other blogs.  This is nothing less than the beginning of the end of the Paleo-Game Cult.  Soon we will see the end of other Paleo-Game sites.

Why is the Paleo-Game Cult starting to unravel?  It fails to produce results.  It makes a lot of promises that you will be healthier and get laid that just aren’t true.  What has been keeping it going is a combination of an attempt to make money off the cult by selling paleo diet and game books and DVDs and doubling down with more insanity.  Sales of game and paleo products by the Paleo-Game Cult are nothing but a rounding error compared to the sales done by the big names in those areas.  It’s impossible for anyone in the Paleo-Game Cult to make any real money off it, and I suspect that this is one of the reasons Bardamu chose to leave.

Another reason the Paleo-Game Cult is falling apart is the gulf between them and the non-Roissyite gamers.  While I think the non-Roissyite gamers are misguided, they are not insane.  They are not interested in the racism, conspiracy theory, and collapse porn/compulsive doomsaying of the Paleo-Game Cult and the Roissyites.  The Paleo-Game Cult has had to fight a two front war from the non-Roissyite gamers on one side and the anti-gamers on the other.  That forces members of the Paleo-Game Cult to rethink their beliefs and gives them the option of one of two paths to do so.  In documenting the end of the Paleo-Game Cult, I think this will be a recurring theme.

As time goes on a Paleo-Game Cult member has two options, leave (either by suddenly disappearing without explanation or with an absurd explanation like Bardamu did) or go even deeper.  The have been many lesser known members of the Paleo-Game Cult who chose the leave option.  Bardamu is just one of the most visible.  Other Paleo-Game members choose to do even deeper.  For example, Hawaiian Fat Blob has chosen to dive fully into antisemitism and begun the process of accusing various MRAs of being government or Rockefeller or Illuminati agents.

The most important thing is that this is good news for the MRM.  Without the Paleo-Game Cult being an albatross around the MRM’s neck, mens rights can actually move forward.