Non-Monetary Dating Advice Scams

One thing you will hear when pointing out dating advice scams is the “defense” of, “It’s not a scam because I’m giving it away for free.”  In some cases this is because they are generating enough free content as a loss leader to hook you into buying their books and DVDs.  In many other cases, this is because the scam isn’t about money.  It’s about ideology.  In this type of scam they aren’t trying to steal your money, but your time and you.

This is the case for a lot of the so called manosphere.  Most men aren’t as successful as they would like to be with women so the so called manosphere preys on that so suck men in not just into game but other forms of rubbish like the paleo diet and conspiracy theory.  (They fake being against feminism for similar reasons.)  While a lot of them want to make money off their scams, for the rest of them they just want more people to indulge their delusions of being persecuted by the government and to add to the Paleo-Game Cult.

Ideological dating advice scams aren’t limited to the so called manosphere.  Feminists do the same thing.  Just like the so called manosphere, feminists will use dating advice as a scam to trick men into becoming feminists.  One of the best examples of this is Dr. Nerdlove ManginaloveNerdhate.  Most of his articles attack the group he is supposed to be helping, nerds.  He is preying on them to turn them into feminist manginas like him.  For obvious reasons, the most despicable scams are probably those that target the elderly.  In terms of dating advice scams, targeting nerds is equivalent to targeting the elderly in other scams.

One advantage we have in dealing with ideological dating advice scams is that the scammers will screw up.  Eben Pagan, a pure monetary dating advice scammer, was much smarter than these people.  He kept himself focused on making money and knew that he needed to get out of the dating advice scam while he was ahead (which he did).  Since the ideological scammers are zealots, they are blinded by their devotion to their ideologies won’t be able to see where they are going to screw up like how an Eben Pagan could.  This makes it easier for us to fight the ideological dating advice scammers and expose their real agendas.

The Feminist Time Machine: The Just World Fallacy Across All Of Time

There’s a fallacy called The Just World Fallacy where it is believed that “human actions eventually yield morally fair and fitting consequences, so that, ultimately, noble actions are duly rewarded and evil actions are duly punished”.  This is a common fallacy in dating advice because dating advice fails pretty easily.  Rather than admit that their advice was a failure, purveyors of dating advice will attack the men who tried to use their dating advice.  The attacks on these men will include everything from accusations of “entitlement” to “misogyny”.  The idea is that the dating advice wasn’t wrong or a scam, but the men using it were so odious to women that the men deserved to be rejected by women.  Why this is a logical fallacy is obvious.  Just because a woman rejects a man doesn’t mean that he’s defective, guilty of “entitlement”, or guilty of “misogyny”.  Saying that men who get rejected by women must have something wrong with them is like saying homeless people are homeless because something is defective about them.  Both concepts are wrong.

The Just World Fallacy can only go so far in defending dating advice from men discovering it’s a scam.  Even if a man actually is “entitled” or a “misogynist” now (even though that’s unlikely), that wasn’t the case most of the time he was rejected by women.  Even if said man accepts the Just World Fallacy as true with respect to dating advice, the problem is that man will realize that he still got rejected when he shouldn’t have.  This creates a problem for the purveyors of dating advice so they will end up invoking the Feminist Time machine.

What happens with the feminist time machine is that a man who realizes that according to the Just World Fallacy should have not been rejected by women in the past will be accused of being “entitled” and/or a “misogynist” in the past even though he didn’t realize it.  The feminist time machine says that women could practically see into the future to know that a man would be an “entitled misogynist” in the future so women preemptively rejected him and were right to do so.  (This is similar to the plot of the short story and move, Minority Report.)  This turns the Just World Fallacy into the Just All of Space and Time Fallacy.

The problem with the feminist time machine is that it is a paradox.  The only way it can be made to make sense is if women were intentionally trying to turn a man into a misogynist.  Since that is absurd, the feminist time machine is also absurd, but despite being a fallacy it will be used to attack men whose only crime is being unlucky with women.

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Fake Anti-Gamers

Last year, I wrote about how feminists were attacking PUAHate.com.  At first, feminists attacking PUAHate doesn’t make sense, especially since they often consider gamers to be misogynist.  The most powerful argument against game is how its a scam started by a known scam organization, The Syndicate.  When you consider how revealing game to be a scam threatens the entire Misandrist Dating Advice Distraction (MDAD) that feminists use against their opponents, it makes sense.  Thus it’s no surprise that Manboobz recently attacked PUAHate as a bunch of misogynists even though he supposedly agrees with PUAHate about gamers.  Manboobz made a critical error in revealing why he’s attacking PUAHate.

A site for debunking the ridiculous claims and shitty behavior of Pickup Artists? Sounds great – at least until you realize that the denizens are mostly dudes who hate PUAs for all the wrong reasons. That is, they hate PUAs not so much for being manipulative scumbags but for being ineffective manipulative scumbags — whose alleged magic formulas for bedding the hot babes don’t really work.

What’s wrong with showing that game doesn’t work?  If you think that gamers make ridiculous claims, engage in shitty behavior, and are misogynists, the best argument against gamers would be that game is a scam and that gamers are charlatans.  It’s an argument that could actually eradicate game permanently.  Manboobz should be writing about how Eben Pagan and The Syndicate (along with the C team of the so called manosphere) are bamboozling men.  Instead Manboobz attacks PUAHate for pointing out that game is a scam!  So why did Manboobz (and Jezebel a year ago) attack PUAHate?

1. Game is feminist despite the supposed anti-feminism of some of its (pseudo) practitioners.  Feminists from Dr. NerdManginalove to Susan Walsh are busy presenting an explicitly feminist version of game.  Showing that game is a scam threatens feminists who want to use game for explicitly feminist purposes and other forms of dating advice which are also feminist.
2. Feminists want a devil to eternally fight.  If (the manosphere) gamers were successful with women, then feminists could constantly scream about how they are misogynists and predators of women.  Showing that game is a scam means that (manosphere) gamers can’t be predators of women, since game doesn’t work.  Feminists can no longer seriously say that (manosphere) gamers are a threat to women.  In other words, feminists need (manosphere) gamers to be successful, so feminists are willing to go along with (manosphere) gamer lies about being successful with women!

It isn’t only feminists that say they are anti-game, but are afraid of the fact that game is a scam.  A similar phenomena can be found among the “Christian” portion of the so called manosphere.  The Christian manospherians that oppose game do so for “moral reasons”.  Thus you would think they would welcome knowledge that game is scam to boost their moral opposition to game, but they don’t.  The Christian manospherians have a similar problem as the feminists.  They want to present a Christian/Biblical version of game (which is impossible) around “Biblical masculinity” (which is also impossible since the modern Christian Church is hideously feminized) so showing that game is a scam threatens this task.  They also want a devil to fight.  In their case, it’s fornicating gamers who prey on women.  Just like with the feminists, this requires gamers to be successful with women.  If they were to admit that gamers were unsuccessful with women (and thus not fornicating with them), the worse thing the Christian manosphere could say about them was that gamers were lying about being successful with women.  It doesn’t have the same impact as fornicating gamers preying on women.  Plus, gamers often end up admitting the truth, so the Christian manosphere can’t even accuse them of lying in a lot of cases.

These two groups are examples of fake anti-gamers.  They can’t admit the fact that game is a scam created by known scammers which a true anti-gamer does.

 

Worse Than Placebo

I saw a comment on another blog about whether (Roissyite) game does better than a placebo.  This is a very good question.  Comparisons to placebo are done because taking a placebo is doing something.  It creates an apples to apples comparison to see if whatever you’re testing actually works or if the results you are getting just come from the act of doing something regardless of that thing is.

What happens when you compare (Roissyite) game to taking a placebo?  It’s worse, a lot worse.  We all know how (Roissyite) gamers fail to get laid.  Their rates of success are so low that is would be well below taking a placebo.   That means that they would get laid more by taking placebos than game.  Anything other than game is more likely to get you laid than game.

This is also why (Roissyite) gamers refuse to experimentally test game and reject science in general.  An actual scientific experiment testing (Roissyite) game would show that it doesn’t work and is worse than taking a placebo.

This isn’t limited to (Roissyite) game either.  All dating advice would should the same result of being worse than taking a placebo if tested in a scientific experiment.  This should not shock anyone since all dating advice is a vehicle for misandry and not actually improving your results in dating and relationships.

Men Get Rejected More Than Women By Any Metric

One of the top ways that the MDAD (Misandrist Dating Advice Distraction) tricks men is by deceiving men into thinking women have it just as bad as them in some different but equal way.  This is the case with the “men can get relationships easier” myth.  With that myth, what happens is that men notice women can get laid easier, but women try to trick men into thinking that men can get relationships easier.  However, if you aren’t having sex then you aren’t having a relationship (i.e. there is no such thing as a sexless relationship if you’re neither young nor a religious fundamentalist) so since it’s harder for men to get laid, it is also harder for men to get relationships.

We see something similar when it comes to rejection.  Men will point out how they have to deal with most of all the rejection that happens.  (This is because men are in the position of having to initiate with women instead of the other way around.)  In response to this, women will try to trick men by pointing out that women have to “wait” to get asked out, making “not getting asked out” a form of “rejection”.  In other words, men and women are equally rejected just in different ways.  Even if you buy that (and you shouldn’t), it still falls apart for women.  If “not getting asked out” is a form of rejection, then men are still getting rejected more, even more so than if that wasn’t considered “rejection”.  Since women don’t ask out men for the most part, this means that most men are getting even more rejection than the explicit rejections than they already get.

No matter how women try to apply mental gymnastics to the idea of “rejection”, reality has the last word.  The reality of the situation is that men have to deal with rejection way more than women do.  No matter how the definition of “rejection” is changed, it still ends up being true.

I wish I could take credit for this idea, but I can’t.  I found it of all places at The Castrated Men Project.  (Even at The Castrated Men Project where you wouldn’t expect men to fight back against feminism, there are men disagreeing with the feminist agenda.  This example of male commentors standing up to gynocentric thinking isn’t unique at the site.)

Game In Disguise

Despite the title and that today is Halloween, this blog article is not about gamers failing to get laid on Halloween.  Instead this article was inspired by the following which was written by Simpsonsdidit.

Have you ever spotted Pua in disguise?

A lot of Pua pretends to not even be Pua.

Many Pua sites even make fun of aspects of pick up artist shit while attempting to sell Pua.

This is true.  There are plenty of fake anti-gamers who are just peddling game under a different name while claiming to be anti-game.  Lots of game blogs are unable to differentiate themselves so many of them will “reinvent” themselves as anti-game to stand out.  Others want to peddle game, but don’t want to be involved with the “misogyny” of game.  (Dr. Manginalove is an example of this.)  Regardless of the reason, they are still peddling game or some form of dating advice even if it isn’t technically game anymore.

The way to deal with game in disguise is to remember that all forms of dating advice are a part of the MDAD, the Misandrist Dating Advice Distraction.  It does not matter if a person says they’re pro-game or anti-game.  It doesn’t matter if they were a gamer, but now they’re anti-game.  If they are peddling dating advice, then they are a part of the MDAD.  All forms of dating advice are a part of the MDAD since there can be no pro-male dating advice until society is de-feminized.  Opposing game is too narrow.  We need to oppose all of dating advice whether it is game or something else.  (Opposing game also has the problem of not recognizing the problems of various subsets of game.  Roissyite game (and its derivatives like the Paleo-Game Cult) is a unique strain of game because 99.9% of gamers do not share Roissyite gamers’ racism, conspiracy theory, paleo diet obsession, etc.  Since Roissyite game is the strain of game that has invaded the MRM, it needs to be specifically and explicitly opposed.  Just being opposed to game doesn’t recognize the unique problems of Roissyite game.)

The key idea to remember is not just to oppose game.  Otherwise you are giving game in disguise and non-game forms of dating advice (all of which are misandry) a pass.

Why Is Female Approval Needed For Dating Advice?

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One of the ways that feminism controls everything is by making it so that everything needs female approval to be taken seriously.  Even the MRM is not immune from this.  While female MRAs like GirlWritesWhat and TyphonBlue are solid MRAs they would be nothing special if they were men.  Because they have vaginas, they are more important in the MRM than they would be if they didn’t.  I can’t blame A Voice for Men or any other MRAs for this situation.  It makes sense as a matter of expediency, but it demonstrates how everything is held hostage to female approval.

Dating advice is also held hostage to female approval.  In fact, it is held hostage to female approval to a greater degree than almost anything else.  Why is that?  Dating advice should be evaluated based on a scientific analysis of its results, on whether it works or not.  If a dating strategy works, it doesn’t need female approval.  Female approval doesn’t make a dating strategy work or work better.  It’s completely irrelevant to dating advice.  This is why no form of dating advice, including game, can be trusted.  All forms of dating advice are currently held hostage to women for the benefit of women.  Currently, every form of dating advice exists for the purpose of benefiting women not for helping men get more and better dates.  This is the definition the MDAD (Misandrist Dating Advice Distraction).

Roissyite gamers are constantly trying to get female approval for game.  They say that game is about “what works” for getting women, but if that were true they wouldn’t care about getting female approval for game.  Why is Susan Walsh even involved with the so called manosphere?  Because Ferdinand Bardamu (who is now gone) and other gamers spent months trying to convince her about game.  What good did that do?  Nothing.  It didn’t even benefit the gamers because even they discovered how Susan Walsh was trying to use Roissyite game for the benefit of women and not them.  Despite this Susan Walsh still has her defenders in the so called manosphere from Vox Day to Hawaiian Fat Blob because they are so desperate for a vagina owner to validate their dating strategy.

Susan Walsh isn’t the only example.  Denise Romano is another.  She was a psychologist that Obsidian (who is persona non grata in most of the so called manosphere) and other gamers tried to convince Denise Romano about game.  That was a waste of time too, even from a pro-gamer perspective.

Another problem that needing female approval for dating advice generates is allowing female scam artists to scam men.  Take Kezia Noble.  She runs a bunch of game seminars which is ludicrous because she has never been a man who has tried to pick up women.  Gamers will say (correctly) that you shouldn’t listen to women when it comes to dating, yet they love Kezia Noble.  Even when gamers say something right, they can’t do it because their need for female approval of their dating strategy overrides it.

The need for female approval is why there is no true dating advice for men.  There is currently no dating advice for men that will actually do its job and help men get more and better dates.  In principle, dating advice that benefits men could exist, but it probably won’t until feminism is completely defeated.

Less Than 10 Women In The Entire World Think This

Typhonblue, one of the few true female MRAs out there, said the following about male virginity at the MensRights sub reddit.

Loosing your virginity doesn’t fix anything. Having a supportive partner helps you fix things.

Neither are requirements.

I wish people would start replacing virginity in their minds with ‘mountain climbing’. By all measures mountain climbing is a thrilling adventure and an amazing sense of achievement… wait… actually saying that mountain climbing will change you for the better is probably more reasonable then saying losing your virginity will change you for the better.

You know what’s really depressing about this quote?  The number of women in the ENTIRE WORLD who agree with numbers in the single digits.  I don’t mean a single digit percentage of the female population.  I mean only 7 women in the entire world (or there about) actually would honestly agree with this quote.  I think it’s safe to say that the overlap of women who would honestly agree with this quote and women who are truly MRAs are 100%.

The rest of the female population hates at least 80% of men, especially male virgins.  They wouldn’t agree with what Typhonblue said because in addition to hating 80% of men (or more), they want to control men.  Attacking male virginity is part of the MDAD (the Misandrist Dating Advice Distraction) because whether a man can lose his virginity is controlled by women.  By tricking men into thinking their value as human beings is based on whether he has lost his virginity, a man’s opinion of himself ends up being controlled by women.  This is the foundation of the larger idea that a man’s worth is defined by how often he gets laid.  Women, outside of true female MRAs, support the ideas that a man’s value comes from losing his virginity and his ability to get laid because it gives them power over men.  If you need evidence of this, just look at how MGTOW is universally hated among women, except for the 7 or so true female MRAs.  Women hate MGTOW because a MGHOW does not define his self worth based on whether women have sex with him.  A MGHOW is free of this form of female control.

As for supportive female partners, the only women who can actually be supportive partners are female MRAs.  This means that there are less than 10 women in the entire world who are capable of being supportive partners for men.

Penis Size In The MDAD

There are lots of aspects to the MDAD, the Misandrist Dating Advice Distraction.  Personally, it’s easy for me to forget about a few of these aspects unless I read something that reminds me of them.  Penis size issues are one such aspect.  This isn’t something I think about unless I read something about it because living without women penis size issues just don’t come up.  Thus I didn’t consider how penis size is a part of the MDAD until I read this article about a 40 year old virgin at The Dickless Man Project.

In that article, a man makes the mistake of asking a dating advice column for help.  They focus on all the wrong things, foremost among them his worries about his penis being big enough.  This also allows the “advice” columnists to shoehorn in an attack on porn because (video) porn often has men with huge penises.  Why do they focus on all the wrong things?  Because actually talking about what is causing that man’s problems would involve speaking the truth about women.

Why would the man in that post worry about the size of his penis at all?  Porn provides a convenient scapegoat, but that makes as much sense as saying that a man who watches science fiction movies will believe that there are actually spaceships flying from Earth to Mars right now.  Plus, the man in that post is 40 years old.  A lot of his experiences with porn when he was younger would involve things like Playboy which only show naked women.  There aren’t any penises shown for him to develop worries about his penis size from that.  Where this man’s (and other men’s) anxiety about the size of their penises come from is women.  Women will use callous attacks on a man’s penis size as a weapon against men to keep men in a state of permanent anxiety.  We have all seen lots of women make small penis jokes.  Are women doing this because porn told them big penises are normal?  Of course not.

Penis size anxiety falls into the MDAD because (in addition to women being the cause of it) it gets used as a scapegoat for the problems that women cause.  What really happened to the 40 year old virgin in the post?  He isn’t having dating problems because he’s worried about the size of his penis.  He’s worried about the size of his penis because of the callous nature of women and his dating problems.  The dating problems came first, not the penis size anxiety.  Blaming dating problems on a man’s penis size anxiety allows women and manginas to distract men from seeing where women cause them problems making it part of the MDAD.  It’s also effective for the MDAD because it allows women and manginas to attack alternatives to women and the dating advice industry like porn.

The important thing to gain from this post is to never worry about the size of your penis.  You have nothing to worry about.  Worrying about the size of your penis just gives women power over you.

The Edge Of The MDAD

The Spearhead had a post today about how foreign women aren’t necessarily better than American/Western women.  A common myth out there is that women from outside North America or the West are somehow better than women from North America and the West.  As the post from The Spearhead shows this isn’t the case.  Women are the same everywhere.  Expating to find a woman is a stupid idea.  (Expating for other reasons isn’t.)

As I was writing the previous paragraph I realized that pursing foreign women is a part of the MDAD, the Misandrist Dating Advice Distraction.  Telling a man to look for a woman outside the West is effectively dating advice.  Just like with other dating advice, it doesn’t deal with the real problem, the depraved nature of women.  The foreign women are better myth exists at the edge of the MDAD.  It is different from the rest of the MDAD in that, it admits some truth about how North American/Western women are depraved, (which is different from the rest of the MDAD which refuses to admit any truth about women) but it uses that truth to distract men from the same depraved nature of women everywhere else.  The distraction that the “foreign women are better” myth causes is no different from the rest of the MDAD so it is just another part of the MDAD.