My experience with game and gamers started out with gamers in the “Roissysphere”, gamer bloggers who followed the blog of Roissy, a gamer who now goes my the name of Heartiste. As a MRA (mens’ rights advocate), the only reason I cared about game was because of the gamers who had invaded MRM (Mens’ Rights Movement) blogs. All of them were Roissysphere gamers. I had no interest in game so I never looked at non-Roissysphere gamers except in the few cases those gamers expressed support for feminism. My picture of all gamers were that they were insane and in many cases possibly suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. I understood gamers to be this way in part because of the other things they were all obsessed with such as the paleo diet and conspiracy theory. Thanks to men like Alek Novy, a former gamer who had experience with the whole of the gamer community, I realized that my impressions of gamers didn’t apply to gamers who weren’t in the Roissysphere. (In fact, Roissy/Heartiste is a name that 99% of gamers have never heard of.)
A typical non-Roissysphere gamer is only interested in getting laid and improving his social skills. There is nothing wrong with this by itself. Game doesn’t exist so it will not help with those two goals. Getting involved with game will only make those two goals harder. (Remember that gamers get laid as much as I do. That is, they don’t get laid.) Having those two goals in of themselves does not make a man insane bordering on (or outright having) paranoid schizophrenia. While I disagree with them because there are no facts showing game exists/works, they are harmless because they aren’t connecting game to an ideology. The Roissysphere gamer is a different animal because he connects game to an ideology. (A lot of feminists are now attempting to connect game to feminism to create “non-misogynitic game” which has the same problem, but that is a subject for another page.) It is necessary to strenously oppose the Paleo-Game Cult because they are invading MRM blogs and derailing the progress of the MRM.
There is something very unique about the Roissysphere gamer. The Roissysphere gamer has an ideology that includes several other things. I call this ideology The Paleo-Game Cult. It is a cult because the paleo-gamers treat it like a religion and excessively enforce their ideology in a manner consistent with The Inquisition from the Middle Ages as much as can be done online. The Paleo-Game Cult includes the following in its ideology.
- Game
- The Paleo Diet
- Meaningless “Self Improvement” (This means self improvement without objective metrics.)
- Conspiracy Theory (This can include everything from 9/11 & New World Order conspiracy theories to conspiracy theories about individuals such as myself.)
- Collapse Porn/Compusive Doomsaying
- Ron Paul as some sort of “secular messiah” (This is distinct from the Libertarian Party and libertarianism as a political movement.)
- White Nationalism or some degree of racism and/or anti-semitism
- A belief that their “truth” is superior to science and an opposition to scientific inquiry and experimental evidence when it comes to their ideology (a similarity they share with creationists)
I will expand on these points as needed in future blog posts and link them here. Many of these eight things already intersect with each other to a high degree outside of the Paleo-Game cult (i.e. many conspiracy theories involve the Jews so that intersects with anti-semitism) so it makes sense that they would intersect here. The Paleo-Game cult adds the paleo diet and game to this intersection. The paleo diet is a form of opposition to modern medicine which is common with the conspiracy theory-collapse porn-Ron Paul messiah-racism/anti-semitism-anti-science intersection. It also allows members of the Paleo-Game cult to believe the delusion that they are fighting back against whoever they think is ruling the world without any real work on their own part. It’s similar with their belief in game.
Members of the Paleo-Game Cult have accomplished nothing in the real world. Unmarried members of the cult have failed to pickup women. Married members of the cult say that game has improved their marriages, but can’t show any evidence or difference in their marriages because they haven’t done anything. They can’t even setup simple scientific experiments to prove game. Despite being on the paleo diet, they can’t lose weight and get healthy. They can’t take any action against the “super evil conspiracy they believe runs the world” and come up with a myriad of excuses for their inaction on this front. Unemployment and severe underemployment is commonplace among members of the Paleo-Game Cult. They rant against the modern workplace (which to be honest has a lot of problems), but they are either stuck in it in low wage jobs or out of it via unemployment. They are incapable of escaping the modern workplace they detest by starting their own business because they can’t produce goods or services that have actual value. All they can do is rant on the internet.
Many members of the Paleo-Game Cult are running a scam by selling game books and DVDs. This is a scam because they are selling game which doesn’t exist. All of the game products out there, the books and DVDs produced by Paleo-Game Cult members are a tiny fraction in terms of sales. Compared to the sales of books by Neil Strauss, Mystery, or any of the other well known gamers, the products produced by the Paleo-Game Cult members are a blip or a rounding error. It’s likely that Paleo-Game Cult game products haven’t been sold to people outside of the Paleo-Game Cult. The sale of game products is effectively a pyramid scheme, and the Paleo-Game Cult is at the bottom of the pyramid that gets the most screwed by the pyramid scheme.
It is likely that there is a high degree of insecurity among Paleo-Game members. They feel a compulsive need to write reams of blog posts talking about how successful they are with game and the paleo diet and other subjects like conspiracy theory. Their insecurity is also present in the ossification and Inquisition like enforcement of their ideas against anyone who disagrees with them. If the Paleo-Game Cult was about the truth like they say, then there would be more dissenting ideas among Paleo-Game members whether the disagreements are minor or major. For example, look at how the Paleo-Game Cult treats conspiracy theory. Since they are not part of the conspiracy they believe exists, they can’t know for sure if that conspiracy exists or if it does, what that conspiracy is doing. There should be dissent among them about whether the conspiracy exists and about the nature of that conspiracy for those who believe it exists. Instead, it’s all “Here is 432nd way that the Rockefellers enslave us.” There’s no debate whether that’s true or whether the Rockefellers have anything to do with the conspiracy at all. The members of the Paleo-Game Cult have to convince themselves they know everything to deal with their insecurity even to the absurd point that they know all the ins and outs of a secret conspiracy none of them are a part of.
This page is a work in progress and a first draft that I wanted to get out there. I’m looking for some reasoned feedback. Already, I have realized that I need to discuss more about game getting connected to ideologies. Feminists have an interest in game to create a “non-sexist PUA” that effectively works in the same way that the Paleo-Game Cult treats game and is a weapon against the MRM. I also have realized that a page on the “female auxiliary” of the Paleo-Game Cult. I anticipate plenty of edits and additions and other pages covering related subjects.
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It’s interesting how you sound just as stupid as the people you criticize.
Regarding game, I admit reading that kind of blogs in the past. Yes, most of Game blogs are moronic. Still, I have nothing to say against people who want to improve their sexual lives. I tried to improve it, it got better (though obviously not in that level of Alpha God most PUAs like to talk about).
Why do you criticize Paleo diet? I’m talking for myself, but losing more than 30 pounds and being fit and healthy for the first time of my life is one of the best things that ever happened to me. And a lot of friends, both men and women, have tried it and got similar results. It’s not a matter of opinion, just plain evidence, checked by medical records.
Maybe you don’t like the fact that people from these two camps are invading MRM blogs. I can understand that, but criticizing the Paleo diet and the idea of improving one’s sexual life is one of the most stupid things I’ve ever heard. Mystery-level idiocy.
You really think that? You’re way too friendly with game blogs for that to be believeable. You’re just another lying gamer.
You don’t get it. Nobody says you can’t lose any weight for any time on a fad diet.
All fad diets are known for causing temporary weight-displacement. However, none of them appear on any long-term study for long-term success. People always A) plateau past the initial weightloss B) are unable to keep doing it long-term and just gain it all back
-> What’s your BMI
-> What’s your shoulder circumference
-> What’s your waist circumference?
A better question than BMI, shoulder, and waist is change in those numbers, is it not?
Fad diet – somehow, what we’ve eaten for thousands of years, minus a 50 year blip, doesn’t strike me as a fad. But to each his own.
Going from horrible to bad is not success and is an indicator one is doing things wrong.
You missed a few zeroes. Agriculture is thousands of years old. Paleo doesn’t just restrict processed foods – in fact that’s what the mainstream health advice says. The mainstream advice tells you to minimize foods invented in the 20 th century.
Paleo goes a step further and tells you to avoid foods we started eating 5000 years ago. It’s called the paleo diet my friend, not the “1950s diet”.
On top of that, paleo dieters are notoriously unreliable when it comes to reporting results of the paleo diet like with the time one of them had chest pains, but declared the paleo diet to be working.
That is what the paleo diet says. Puzzled is playing the same shell game that I have seen Hawaiian Fat Blob pay about what the paleo diet actually says. This alone tells us that paleo is bullshit.
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Your breakdown of those 8 ideological points really helped me clarify some of the thoughts going on in my head about that circle of blogs. Thanks for this.
I think I am going to really like reading your blog and getting a lot of value out of it. I want to take the red/black pill. But I do think you are deluded about various things. I don’t know how you define “gaming” but I know that people who enter the community and commit to learning usually do end up getting laid or whatever it was they sought. It is simple as if you pursue a goal you generally get said goal. I am not part of that ridiculous community anymore, I was though a long long while back, then repented and I am still doing penance. You can believe me or not. If you don’t, you only prove how paranoid you are.
Anyway they do have success, though not for the esoteric ridiculous reasons they believe. They simply
1. pursue that which they set out for, and invest energy and attention in a goal
2. learn how to flirt with women (though they have fancy words to disguise it)
3. learn how to read women’s body language to realize a girl is interested in them. Some men don’t even know this!
4. Sometimes they get laid just because they learn to persevere with any given woman without abandoning the attempts
5. perhaps some other misc reasons
And of course the power to make any given women desire you and go to bed with you does not and will never exist.
But these are a sampling of what I think are the real reasons why they might be getting laid more- and I do believe that many there succeed beyond your wildest imagination. But I think that the causes are not esoteric or mystic or secret, as they are deluded into thinking, or that they even have the slightest idea what is going on in a woman’s head and heart when they are talking to her (breaking their hearts actually in the process and eroding our culture).
And in fact, really all the former reasons I mentioned are something a father figure was meant to teach. Really the reason they turn to gaming is they lack a salient father figure who was both powerful and good (and present) to bestow these traits on them as sons. So they invent a community and raise up various sociopaths as surrogate father figure idols. that is my take. I have compassion on them. Some of them like me got in because they didn’t know where else to go and the water looked inviting. If they had known all along what the truth was about or where else to get the power, they would have gone there. http://www.xamuel.com/seduction-community/
Many are like this and many eject from the community.
There are psychopaths for sure there- and those ones will be there long term, until they die probably, and they are the leaders. That’s all I can say. But for my dear readers- for personal reflection, I say: Be wary of envy, dissatisfaction and discontentment, especially envy, lest you be led into blindness. when you realize they are getting laid- be wary of envy. judgement and justice will surely come to those upon whom it is appointed- both the users and the enviers. My humble .02
I would define it as anyone who considers themselves part of the game community. That being said, if you read through my archives, often when I was talking about gamers, I really mean either Roissyite gamers of the Paleo-Game Cult subset of the Roissyite gamers. My first exposure to game was via the Roissyite gamers so my picture of game was equivalent of trying to get a picture of the human race by studying a mental insitution. I got the incorrect view that gamers were these insane conspiracy theorists who constantly lie. It wasn’t until much later that I learned that the Roissyite gamers were not representative of the game community. What happened was the Roissyite gamers invaded the MRM. Had it not been for that invasion I would never have heard of game or sought out something like that. My opposition to game is almost all about the Roissyite gamers who have invaded the MRM to promote their insane form of game. As a MRA who wants to get real anti-feminism done, I’m opposed to the Roissyite gamer invasion because they are hindering the progress of mens rights.
It’s important to remember that the Roissyite gamer is much different than the typical gamer. Roissyite gamers believe in a multitude of conspiracy theories and other kook ideas like white supremacism. It’s pretty obvious that Roissyite gamers don’t leave the house much and only communicate with people who have similar mental illness to them which means that they aren’t getting laid. Roissyite gamers also have severe problems with unemployment and underemployment because of their mental pathologies. This is radically different than the typical gamer who just is just a normal guy who wants to get laid.
Beyond the Roissyite gamers I do have a problem with gamers like Neil Strauss who promote feminism. It’s also obvious to me that game doesn’t work in general. All I have to do is watch this video of Mystery for proof of that. However, in some ways that is beside the point because my concern is for the success of the MRM not whether game works or not.
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As a recovering lawyer, I admire you for jumping to conclusions with absolutely no facts to support your bare assertions! Gamers never get laid? NEVER?!! Everybody gets laid, unless they are fat nerdy geeks with zero social skills, etc. I am no advocate of any particular game theory, but I do recognize tidbits of truth in what various game blogs have to say. In short, their advice sometimes has the ring of truth about it. And real life has shown that it does in fact “work” with certain specific women in my life. Women hate clingers. Women love a challenge. Women love it when men are aloof and they have to chase teh man. Women dig it when men work out and become muscular and non-fatties, women dig manly men, etc. etc. If these truths fly over your head and you don’t recognize them as the God’s Gospel Truth then that speaks volumes towards your “intelligence.”
I was involved with the local seduction community for almost a decade. The conferences and seminars were like celibacy monk conferences.
Btw
1) The sentence “no gamers ever get laid” doesn’t appear on this page. I tried to find it or something similar doing a control-find
2) He was talking about online-gamers, you know the guys running blogs about game and spending 8 hours a day talking about it
In the case of online-gamers, the statement “they never ever ever get laid” is absolutely true, 100%. Some gamers do get laid, but those are the same ones who don’t even know what a blog is or have a forum membership.
If you actually read this blog, you would find lots of documented evidence of what I say. Alek was involved with the game “community” for over a decade, and he confirms this. The Roissyite gamers spend all day, every day, online. They can’t be getting laid. It’s physically impossible.
As for the non-online gamers, they’re only getting as laid as much as they were before game.
You needed game to tell you that women are not attracted to obesity??? That’s not game. That’s common sense. Basic knowledge like “women are attracted to hot guys” isn’t game.