106 comments on “There Are Women Who Actually Think They Get No Male Attention

  1. The comments to the post at Hooking Up are pretty hilarious too, I.E. “Men love bitchy women!” Which is projection of course. Since women love angry and violent men, they think men must like the same in women.

    • No kidding. One thing they don’t understand is that a lot of men are just taking what they can get. That’s true even if she’s bitchy or a 700 pound whale. Women are so full of shit when it comes to their “knowledge” of men.

      • It’s called settling.

        If u date a 700 pound woman then u r settling. And I bet a million dollars that u wouldn’t even talk to a woman that’s lower than a 7.

        Men r so full of shit wen they claim ANY woman can get a man. Especially men who say “men r taking wat thwy can get”, which means that they’re settling. It’s not like every man wants a bitchy 700 pound whale.

        But I’ve seen hot women with 1,000 pound men. Some were rich but most aren’t.

    • The “bitchiness” they’re talking about is probably what gamers would refer to as “shit tests”. And EVERY woman with a boyfriend or husband “shit tests” her man from time to time, though some do it more than others. Kinda funny, though, to hear women being critical of other women when they do it…

      • Shit tests r for women to determine if they’re man can provide and protect the woman.

        It’s not like men wear signs on their forehead that says “rapist or deadbeat”.

        But wen a man does abandon the family because he CHOSE to then u men r the first ones to blame the woman for “choosing” the wrong man.

        But wat about the shit test? If it had been done said woman could’ve knownbfore hand and dudumped his ass.

        But since u men r so critical of it maybe women shouldn’t do it and then u can get away with many more things.

        Oh well

        • Explain to me how men can abbandon the family with enforced child support payments? Also women are able to legally abbandon the kids and drop them off in care. Men are driven away from the family, claiming that loads of men abbandon the family is just a rationalization for toxic female social violence.

  2. I looked into Norah Vincent after reading what you wrote W & N and it seems very interesting what she did for a year and a half, maybe I’ll read it in the future to reaffirm suspicions I already have about the relationship between men and women. I think it seems like she has pretty much delved into the life of the beta male. I think this made the most sense since this is the kind of life that most men live. She didn’t get into the other extremes, which were omega and alpha because I’m pretty sure it didn’t fit into her personality type, mentality and how she looked after her transformation.

  3. Norah didn’t get zero female attention masquerading as a man, but I’m certain she received far, far less attention than she received as a woman. She’s attractive enough that I doubt she’s ever had to make an approach like men must.

  4. I have read this blog and I’m not surprised women are scared of you. You’re the only common element in your experiences with women. Try getting some psychological help because you need it before becoming a serial killer.

    • It is truly amazing, the same bitches who dont even acknowledge our existance, unless of course it is to disrespect us, are afraid we will become serial killers. Then when one of us does, that guy gets marriage proposals up the wazoo by these same women.

      • Wat percentage of women like serial killers?

        Wat percentage of the women that ignored u like serial killers?

        Astronomically small I bet.

        Wat is amazing is that fat ugly chicks get ignored too.

        Y don’t u go after the overweight and unattractive and stop dating the hot babes?

        If not then shut the fuck up about women that don’t want u because u too have standards.

        Sorry for my typos once again

    • You are the definition of an ignorant attention whore. Do you have any idea what it’s like to actually feel alone? No, because as a woman, you are the object of multitudes of males’ attentions. It was only recently I figured the best way to fuck with you all. I’ve had women practically beg me to talk to them. I use to think I was undesirable, so I never talked to them. I stopped giving a shit that women existed. I discovered that you are all “attention whores”. I won’t talk more about how to get the women, that requires more finesse and writing, but men need to realize, if she’s a “ten” and she turns her nose up at you, nothing will get under her skin more if you’re the beta or omega who turns up your nose at her. And they can lie about that all they want.

      • You poor excuses for ‘men’ are nothing but entitled babies with overinflated victim complexes and THAT is why women are not attracted to you.
        Women (emphasis on WOMEN not GIRLS) go for independent and confident MEN who are funny, smart, and reliable and do not refer to women as bitches because they get faced with rejection a few times. Do you call all employers who reject you those kind of names? No, probably not.

        I can only assume due to your inferiority complex you believe in the friendzone as well.
        You are not entitled to romance, you are not entitled to female attention just like women are not entitled to male attention and GUESS WHAT not a lot of them get it as frequently as you claim. Take a walk in a woman’s shoes for a day and you can experience the crippling worries of weight gain, hormones, attracting male attention while attracting it from the right (sane and normal, something you seem to lack) men. We face just as much rejection and criticism from men as you do from women. So grow up and get the fuck over yourself and maybe just maybe a lady might actually find herself attracted to you… though I imagine your constant women hating would probably scare her away.

        Oh and boys? How’s the whole virginity thing working out for you? 🙂

      • Haha bullshit.

        You’re nothing but a hypocrite, sexist little bitch.

        U cannot blame women for being picky. It’s in our nature just as u can’t blame men for prefering hot babes.

        And I’m sure u would never date an ugly fat bitch.

        In a world where there’s more males than females, rapist, murderers, deadbeats, faggot men y would u think every man can get a woman?

        Some men don’t even deserve to have a girl.

        But to u anti feminist every man in the world is good its just those evil feminists that “make up” stories about male evil doing.

        Maybe if u watched the news and or moved to a different state u would see that most men r shit heads that go for the hot bitches and ignore that fat ugly ones.

        Sorry for my typos

      • James, the best solution is to expect NOTHING from a woman. Don’t expect love, companionship or sex. Women have said over and over that we are not entitled to anything from them. I take it a step further. I say lower your expectations of women to ZERO. Remember what Robert Di Niro’s character in TaxiDriver said? He said “Women are cold and distant. They’re like a union.”

  5. “No woman understands what it’s like to get no (positive) attention from the opposite sex.”

    Women don’t have to worry about men completely ignoring them or having no interest in them; men don’t have to worry about getting approached by people they don’t find attractive asking them for dates and sex. Men don’t have to worry about rape (outside of prison, at least) or sexual harassment; women don’t have to worry about being falsely accused of rape or sexual harassment. I suppose neither gender can truly relate to the problems and concerns the other gender has to deal with.

  6. High status men, unlike middle or low status men, probably do get approached by people they don’t find attractive asking them for dates and sex. The difference is that men, unlike women, don’t find such a thing worrying, and are rarely cruel in their rejections.

    I find it unfathomable that women find being approached by an insufficiently attractive man worrying. It’s an approach, not a rape attempt. Be gracious and appreciate the guts it took to do it.

    • I’m not really good looking or high status, but i get approached every now and then by an unattractive woman… and once in a blue moon by a gay man.. i try to be polite and just tell them i have a girlfriend (regardless of whether or not I actually do at the time)..

      FWIW (probably not much), it’s been my experience that gay men take rejection a helluva lot better than women do..

  7. There are some women that get no positive attention from men, have never been flirted with or asked out. They may be fewer than men in the same boat, but they exist.

    I actually have one such woman in my family and she is very depressed and despondent.

    When women say, “men love bitchy women” it’s because they see men with pretty women who are stuck up and full of themselves. Many men, turned on by physical beauty, will tolerate bitchiness for the other perks that being with a “hot babe” provides.

    • “I actually have one such woman in my family and she is very depressed and despondent.”

      Really? Wow, that sucks. I guess that does happen to a few women, here and there…

      Just tell her to walk up to some guy who isn’t getting any action and smile and say “hello”… problem solved.

      • True in most cases, but we don’t know that woman’s individual case. She may have a disfigurement of some sort.

        Many years ago a physically disabled woman had a major crush on me and was not shy about telling me what she wanted. She was smart and kinda pretty from the neck up, but I couldn’t get interested in her beyond that. 😦

        • “She was smart and kinda pretty from the neck up, but I couldn’t get interested in her beyond that. ”

          You neither ignored the fact that she existed not put out for her when you weren’t turned on by her. That’s smart, not stupid and not superficial.

    • regarding bitchy – i must disagree!! Witnessed more then once a self-confident and outgoing girl steal a guy from away from MORE BEAUTIFUL (but boring) ones around her. I would have the same preference.

      though i do thin there are women out there not extremely beautiful, and most importantly (!) without high self-esteem – not much attention from guys.

      Solution, i am with Retrenched on that, to come up and say hello, but then the self-esteem issue might be the problem.

  8. W and N, she doesn’t get attention from ANY men – forget about the alphas.

    Besides, how may “alphas” exist in real life? Most of us humans are just, well, ordinary.

    • I’ve heard that the figure is that 20% of males are alphas. Some food for thought is the eight circuits of consciousness theory. Interesting that according to this theory is that being an alpha is just being someone who has a strong 2nd circuit (territorial state of mind). It’s interesting that all a nerd is someone with a strong 3rd circuit (the rational mind) and a weak 2nd circuit. Lot of guys with strong 3rd circuits usually have weak 2nd circuits and I’ve noticed that guys with strong 2nd circuits have weak 3rd circuits. There are a few guys that tend to be strong in both, but they are quite rare.

      Personally I’d rather be the way I am right now having a strong 3rd circuit and a weak 2nd circuit than an alpha, but with a weak 3rd circuit (intelligent state of mind). Of course, it would be nice to be strong in both, but of course that isn’t how life works. It’s interesting to note that the 2nd circuit is decided at the age of two and the 3rd circuit around the age of 6. Of course this is just a theory and should be taken with a grain of salt, but it’s still some food for thought.

      You can read about the circuits here:

      http://deoxy.org/8circuit.htm

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  10. Of course you aren’t going to pick up.

    “white and nerdy” as your name, if even you put yourself down why do you expect other people, women no less not to?

    It doesn’t make any sense. You’ve skipped ‘inner game’ and then expected results. Generate confidence in yourself, speak to random people about random stuff so you can learn to lose your nervousness and exercise your quick thinking / wit.

    So you’re nerdy, that means you’re smarter than the dumb bitch you’re trying to hook into. Use that, in circumstance suggest the women is slightly foolish with a neg, like “you’re ditizness makes you cute”. You complement her but diminish her confidence at the same time.
    Also, post a picture of yourself, what do you look like. Perhaps the guys here can see what women would think and give you pointers. If it gets you laid, its worth it, am I right?

    Keep up the blog, you have some good content here brother. Everyone has been in your spot before, so we all have good pointers from learning the hard way.

  11. “No woman understands what it’s like to get no (positive) attention from the opposite sex.”

    I know what it’s like to get no (positive *romantic*) attention from the opposite sex. I’ve had years and years when all the attention from the opposite sex was either negative (being bullied, sometimes even being called a slut years before my first kiss) or positive but unromantic (being asked to join a group for a group classwork assignment) but no positive romantic attention (nobody asking me out, nobody saying yes when I asked him out, etc.). Several years between when my classmates started dating and my first date, several more years between two dates, etc.

    • You were able to kiss guys. That’s way more than the omega virgin males here have gotten no matter how late it was. You don’t understand the meaning of the word nothing. There are a lot of men here and many of them are way older than you who would love to have your nothing.

      By female standards you may be at nothing but not by male standards. Don’t seriously think you can compare yourself to us.

      • I was not able to kiss guys. I was able to kiss *one* guy.

        “There are a lot of men here and many of them are way older than you who would love to have your nothing.”

        They’d love to be 32-year-old virgins?

        They’d love to go for years and years between dates?

        They’d love to have people claim that 32-year-old virgins of their gender don’t exist?

        They’d love to have been accused of promiscuity years before their first kisses, and accused of that by the same people who bullied them for being ugly?

        They’d love to have never kissed more than 1 other person on the lips ever?

        They’d love to see rants about how everyone of their gender is criminal and deserves revenge?

        They’d love to hear about how their having the vote is bad and how their trying to get jobs that doesn’t require sex with the people who pay the bills is unfair “competition”?

        • I’d love to have never kissed more than 1 other person. I sure would. Any sort of mutual sexual contact with another human being is a clear sign that it’s possible for another human being to be attracted to me, which would tons and tons more than what I currently have in my life.

          Your situation is bad and sad and shitty, nobody’s denying that. But it’s not hopeless, whereas it is pretty fucking hopeless for me and other omega males.

          In your case, you just need to search long and hard for a man who will accept you.

          In my case, I have to search for a woman who will accept me (had no luck so far, am currently 27) and then face the fact that this acceptance won’t last. It never does with women. Sure, you’re going to tell me it’s an unfair generalization or something. If so, kindly provide examples of omega males in long-term happy marriages.

        • I would love to be a 32 year old virgin. It’s better than being a 39 year old virgin.

          I would love to go years between dates. It’s better than no dates ever.

          I would rather be told that I don’t exist or be accused of promiscuity or ugliness than be accused of being a potential terrorist or a lunatic that needs to be put in a mental institution.

          I would rather have kissed 1 person than 0 people.

          If you don’t want to see rants about female criminal behavior or how women wreck employment then stop breaking the law and using your vagina to take over places of employment.

          Even as bad off as you may be, we’re objectively worse off.

  12. “In my case, I have to search for a woman who will accept me (had no luck so far, am currently 27) and then face the fact that this acceptance won’t last. It never does with women. Sure, you’re going to tell me it’s an unfair generalization or something. If so, kindly provide examples of omega males in long-term happy marriages.”

    Sounds less like an unfair generalization than a tautonomy. When a straight woman’s acceptance of a man who was “omega” does last, doesn’t that make the man she accepts stop being “omega” by definition?

    Meanwhile, another tip is to not let it become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    If you someday do find someone who does accept you romantically but assume that she won’t keep accepting you, how long can you *hide* that assumption before she notices verbal and non-verbal cues from you that you don’t expect her to stay?

    If someday a woman in my situation who would accept you romantically finds you in her search for a man, how long can you hide your “You’re an entitled bitch who is angry at men because they don’t find you attractive enough to give you what you feel entitled to. And you’re way too entitled to actually do any searching yourself.” attitude before she notices verbal and non-verbal cues from you that you’re actually hostile to her and she changes her mind from accepting you…to feeling that she couldn’t trust you to not leave her vagina bleeding and torn, trust you to not dump her the morning after, and trust you to not tell your friends how ugly she is under her clothes if she went to bed with you?

    • >When a straight woman’s acceptance of a man who was “omega” does last, doesn’t that make the man she accepts stop being “omega” by definition?

      Not really, no. By omega I mean someone who is ugly, socially inept and generally lacks any outstanding attractive features.
      Show me such a man in a happy long-term marriage.

      >how long can you *hide* that assumption before she notices verbal and non-verbal cues from you that you don’t expect her to stay?

      I wouldn’t hide the fact that I don’t expect her to stay. I will hide the fact that I expect her to dump me, but that will affect only one thing – I will never marry her. Otherwise, the expectation itself won’t prevent me from investing in the relationship – expectations or not, I’d rather try something I believe but don’t know is hopeless that just sit around doing nothing.

      >how long can you hide your “You’re an entitled bitch who is angry at men because they don’t find you attractive enough to give you what you feel entitled to. And you’re way too entitled to actually do any searching yourself.” attitude

      I won’t. If she turns out to be an entitled bitch, I’ll tell her straight away. If I feel any hostility towards her, why the hell would I want to keep her around?

      • “>When a straight woman’s acceptance of a man who was “omega” does last, doesn’t that make the man she accepts stop being “omega” by definition?

        “Not really, no. By omega I mean someone who is ugly, socially inept and generally lacks any outstanding attractive features.
        “Show me such a man in a happy long-term marriage.”

        Showing you a socially inept man in a happy long-term marriage is like showing you a man who can’t speak English holding up his end of a conversation in English.

        Holding up one’s end of a conversation in English inherently requires some English skills. When someone with no English skills can’t hold up his or her end of a conversation in English, it’s not discrimination against him or her for lacking English skills.

        Happy long-term marriages inherently require too many social skills to be socially inept. When a socially inept person can’t be in a happy long-term marriage, it’s not discrimination against him or her for being socially inept.

        “>how long can you hide your “You’re an entitled bitch who is angry at men because they don’t find you attractive enough to give you what you feel entitled to. And you’re way too entitled to actually do any searching yourself.” attitude

        “I won’t.”

        So no wonder she wouldn’t stay while you don’t even hide that attitude. IRL, many people who are free to leave actually want to leave and don’t feel safe staying when they get the hint that the other person has that kind of hate/contempt/etc. for them.

        “If I feel any hostility towards her, why the hell would I want to keep her around?”

        Good point. If you feel any hostility towards women in general, why the hell would you want to keep any woman around?

        • >Happy long-term marriages inherently require too many social skills to be socially inept.

          Well, shit, thanks for stating the obvious. We’re back to the point where you hypothesized that a “woman in a similar situation” might be interested in me. Now you admit that it’s impossible for anyone to be interested in me?

          >So no wonder she wouldn’t stay while you don’t even hide that attitude. IRL, many people who are free to leave actually want to leave and don’t feel safe staying when they get the hint that the other person has that kind of hate/contempt/etc. for them.

          I didn’t always expect the worst from people. I used to be very friendly, very positive, communicative and outgoing. People taught me to expect the worst from them. People taught me that I’m simply not good enough to be treated on the same level as them. I’m not good-looking, not a good conversationalist and I suck at everything I do – that was the rationale that people who pretended to be close to me used when they felt it in their interest to betray me.

          >If you feel any hostility towards women in general, why the hell would you want to keep any woman around?

          I would certainly never want to have a normal woman as a girlfriend. Hell, normal people are hypocritical and judgmental as fuck.
          But being alone all my life sucks just as much as living with someone who hates you for not being good enough.

          So, those are the two choice I have. Stay alone or accept a partner who hates me.
          As opposed to women, like you, who have a choice between staying alone and being with a partner they’re not particularly attracted to.

          Yeah, totally similar situations.

    • Yeah, your situation is not hopeless, but it’s just a bit kinda somewhat close to hopeless, so you want the same recognition as those who really are hopeless.
      Why do you want? Enjoy being pitied?

    • Leslie, have you ever been made to feel like a pedophile, rapist, “creepy” sub-human piece of shit by simply existing within a mile of the opposite sex?

      Thought not. I’d trade my life for yours in a heartbeat, purely on account of you being female.

      • “Leslie, have you ever been made to feel like a pedophile, rapist, “creepy” sub-human piece of shit by simply existing within a mile of the opposite sex?”

        No. Have you ever been made to feel like that by simply existing within a mile of the opposite sex, instead of for giving other people verbal and nonverbal cues that you hate them?

        • Leslie, did you mean to say that often you’re assumed to hate men, just because you’re female?

          If so, I can empathize. Unfortunately the bitches ruin it for all, and then men generalize out that “all women are like that”. Often, I will see guys assume that a shy girl is a “bitch” who hates them, when in truth she’s just shy.

        • I think what Leslie meant was whether forweg had ever been made to feel “like that” when he was simply “existing” as opposed to giving women cues that *he* hates them. It’s a valid question, actually. The great mystery of chicken and eggs.

        • “Have you ever been made to feel like that by simply existing within a mile of the opposite sex, instead of for giving other people verbal and nonverbal cues that you hate them?”

          It’s physically impossible for me to *not* give off supposedly “creepy” vibes, so that is existing for me. They’re equivalent.

          I don’t see what hatred has to do with it.

  13. I have a female acquaintance like this.

    She’s a 27 year old virgin, and she complains about where have all the men gone. She complains that men only like bimbos, this and that and the other. She complains about not getting male attention, bla bla bla…

    To paint a further picture, let me say that she RARELY leaves the house. She’s literally a hermit who only leaves the house when she has to. She doesn’t wash her hair or her face (she’s acne riddled at 27) and she can’t hold a conversation.

    Why am I saying this stuff about her? To make her look bad? No, its to make a funny introduction to the following. I’ve PERSONALLY seen her get asked out by guys! She rarely even leaves the house (and these other traits) and she still gets asked out 2-3 times a year.

    And she complains about not getting male attention… and being a 27 year old virgin. Its freaking AMAZING. I love women’s ability to “delete men”. Like they can literally reject 10 men, and then claim they get no male attention.

  14. “If you don’t want to see rants about female criminal behavior or how women wreck employment then stop breaking the law and using your vagina to take over places of employment.”

    I’m already not doing those things and I still see those rants full of hate against me.

  15. “Leslie, did you mean to say that often you’re assumed to hate men, just because you’re female?”

    Actually, no (apart from things like people accusing every woman who tries to earn a living of stealing jobs from men). I was thinking of how some people are assumed to hate women, just because they keep dropping hints about how they hate women.

    “Unfortunately the bitches ruin it for all, and then men generalize out that “all women are like that”. Often, I will see guys assume that a shy girl is a “bitch” who hates them, when in truth she’s just shy.””

    You make a lot of very good points here.

  16. “So, those are the two choice I have. Stay alone or accept a partner who hates me.
    As opposed to women, like you, who have a choice between staying alone and being with a partner they’re not particularly attracted to.

    “Yeah, totally similar situations.”

    Do you have any clue how *painful* being penetrated sexually in the vagina or anus can be when the person being penetrated is not particularly attracted to the person doing the penetration? It’s so obviously painful that even a virgin can understand it’s no walk in the part.

    *That* is how accepting a partner who hates you can be *similar* to a woman or gay man being with a partner they’re not particularly attracted to

  17. ““Have you ever been made to feel like that by simply existing within a mile of the opposite sex, instead of for giving other people verbal and nonverbal cues that you hate them?”

    “It’s physically impossible for me to *not* give off supposedly “creepy” vibes, so that is existing for me. They’re equivalent.

    “I don’t see what hatred has to do with it.”

    Some of the *other* people who give off those “supposedly creepy vibes” verbal and nonverbal cues to the opposite sex do it because they *do* hate the opposite sex.

    Think about it: when someone who does hate you and someone who doesn’t hate you both send you the *same* “creepy” vibes, both say and do the *same* stuff to you that makes you feel threatened, how are you supposed to tell the difference? If you assume both hate you, the one who doesn’t misses out on your company. If you assume neither hates you, the one who does hate you has a better chance to hurt you…

  18. “>Happy long-term marriages inherently require too many social skills to be socially inept.

    “Well, shit, thanks for stating the obvious.”

    You’re welcome.

    “We’re back to the point where you hypothesized that a “woman in a similar situation” might be interested in me.”

    I hypothesized that *before* your response about how you actually don’t have any social skills. Before, I thought that maybe you were one of the older virgins who does have some social skills.

    “Now you admit that it’s impossible for anyone to be interested in me?”

    Yeah, after you gave me more info I took that info into consideration.

  19. I know quite a few women like this – those who claim that they get no male attention. All of them have the exact problem which you described, that no guy approaches them who fulfills 1250 points of their checklist.

    There is this friend who is particularly a victim of this problem. She is actually a fairly sweet girl, but just seems to devoid of logic in certain situation. Whenever we go out, at least 3-4 men seem to approach her. None of them are ever her “type” or have some imaginary or real issue, other times she will get approached by a hot guy but won’t talk to him because she doesn’t want to be thought of as a slut, then she pursues some dude in our social circle who is already being hit on by 5 other chicks, then she won’t go out to singles events and the like because that would mean she is desperate, she won’t go out with say just one other girl to a bar which makes it easy for men to approach her but instead only in big groups, then she won’t even give guys a chance who aren’t at least 6 feet, then she likes to do latin dancing but there is already way too much competition from other chicks and guys have too many options etc. etc.

    So yeah, she has been single for 2 years now! She is actually fairly decent looking and thin, but keeps complaining all the time about how she never gets a dude, how these other girls are so lucky etc.

  20. Umm wow. It seems that many of you actually believe that attraction from the opposite sex is solely about looks. That is not the case at all! I am currently overweight and have been for quite some time. I have never suffered from a lack of attention from men. This is not because I am a hottie because I am not. What I am is confident as a person. Confident in my intelligence and who I am as a person. It took me a very long time to accept my physical self flaws and all, but even when I suffered from image issues, it never really affected my self-esteem as to who I am. Honestly, I believe that men and women alike respond positively to a person who views themselves positively. I am married and have two children. I have been married for a long time but had men approach me even when I was with a group of a bunch of men and women. That being said, I would most likely not attract the attention of a super hot alpha male and that is just fine. All I am saying is that you people (men and women) complaining about lack of attention from the opposite sex should really learn to appreciate yourselves. No one is going to respond to you in a positive way if they can spot from a mile away that you hate yourself.

    • This is not because I am a hottie because I am not. What I am is confident as a person.

      No, it’s because you have a vagina. You will always have men interested in you regardless of your looks or weight. Whether you want those men is another matter.

  21. Men r stupid. They complain that every woman in the world gets male attention and then say “oh, its only becauseu hae a vagina so it doesn’t matter if you’re fat or ugly”.
    Just because men r looking for a moist pussy doesn’t have anything to do with relationships.
    There r plenty if articles and men in real life that say they prefer hot women over unattractive ones. All the time.
    Just because you’re looking to get ur dick wet doesn’t mean u would actually date ugly, fat fattie
    When men say that women have high expectations wat they really mean is “hot babes don’t like me cause I’m nerdy…hot babes want money….hot babes want tall men….hot babes want this this and that”
    It’s all BS. Open ur eyes. There r plenty of hot women that gladly date unattractive men. How many men date unattractive women? Only a minority of men . Just because a man is tired of chasing the attractive women and getting rejected so he then turns to the average women doesn’t mean that men r less chossy, it doesn’t mean men find a variety if women attractive and it doesn’t mean men r better than women. You’re settling for the 6’s and 7’s because you HAVE to. Not because u want to. If she’s a 1-5 she can forget about it unless she can do something to make herself look like a 6 only then will men be interested in have a relationship.
    Wat I have learned from the men in threads like these is that wen all of them were younger then ONLY chased after the attractive women and ignored the ugly ones….unless she had a hot body then u’d be interested in f*cking her. Now that you’re older u want a wodoesn’t change the fact that u ignored everyman that wasn’t hot.
    As an ugly woman myself I’ve literally had 3 men who wanted to date me, only 1 that wanted to talk and 2 that wanted sex. So that’s….wow….only 6 men. But if I complain men get mad and tell me to fix myself up but wen u men chase after the hot babes and then get rejected u claim that all women want a man that’s tall, dark and handsome. And how would u know if u only chased the attractive ones and ignored the ugly fatties? Exactly….u don’t but now that men are getting older they realized that they too have standard.
    Typical male hypocrisy. Please respond back.

    • Just because men r looking for a moist pussy doesn’t have anything to do with relationships.

      So what, there are lots of men who no women wants to have sex with or being in a relationship with. You’re the equivalent to a well fed middle class woman who tells a starving homeless man that he’s better off because he doesn’t need to lose weight.

      There r plenty of hot women that gladly date unattractive men.

      Sure if they’re rich.

      How many men date unattractive women?

      Many. I see it all the time everyday.

      You’re settling for the 6′s and 7′s because you HAVE to.

      You’re supposed to accuse me of being a virgin loser who can’t get laid, not this.

      As an ugly woman myself I’ve literally had 3 men who wanted to date me, only 1 that wanted to talk and 2 that wanted sex. So that’s….wow….only 6 men.

      We’re not impressed by your “problems”. There are millions of men who have never had any women interested in them, and you’re complaining only 6 men have been interested in you. Even if that’s true, and I doubt that it is, you’re better off than millions of men. The problem is that you don’t see those millions of men as human beings, just as male shaped slaves to do your bidding.

      • “So what, there are lots of men who no women wants to have sex with or being in a relationship with.”

        Im not impressed by you and other men’s “problems” either.

        “Sure if they’re rich.”

        Women are told from birth or through biology to pick a man who will provide for their offspring. if you dont believe me then google it. Men are hard-wired to find the most beautiful women to f*ck and then leave. if you dont believe me google it. y would women want to mate with a man that has no money? Then she gets pregnant, gives brith and u whiny men come out saying ” ohh, theres always abortion. she “CHOSE” to give birth so its her fault not his. she “CHOSE” to mate with a man with no future.” But if she chooses a man with a good career u men accuse her of being a “golddigger”, a “whore”, “high maintenance” and other bull crap.

        “Many. I see it all the time everyday.”

        I rarely see attractive men with ugly women. I said UGLY, not average. Maybe these women r ugly to YOU but not to everyone else. Maybe because u live in an area (probably in the midwest or up north near canada)where its white trash and racism is gladly accepted and where feminists and feminism has flourished. Maybe u should move to the big cities such as the ones in California, New York, Ohio, Texas, Hawi’i, Florida and others where the populations r heavily influenced by immigrants and feminism is rarely heard of (because their country is more macho and then come here and boss their women around some more) and u’ll see
        plenty of violent men, plenty of men who PREFER and date HOT BABES anytime of the day and theyre not rich either. Not even close.

        “Even if that’s true, and I doubt that it is”

        it is true and i don’t care if u and other men dont believe me. Here r some links:
        billcammack.com/…/why-women-have-to-be-attractive-and-men-dont/
        thehathorlegacy.com/men-are-too-picky-about-dating/
        http://www.sawtalniswa.com/…/on-being-an-“ugly-woman-rejected-by-men”/. u’ll love this one. even though it was written by a woman who is a feminists she writes some anedotes on men who hate feminism…just like u.
        http://www.themodernman.com/…/how-do-average-guys-get-hot-women.html
        and if u dont like what ur men and 2 women wrote about men prefering to date HOT BABES then thats ur problem and if u have something to say then i suggest u go on the websites and say it. if not then SHUT THE F*CK UP about women

        • It’s a good thing women aren’t able to afford houses on their own, otherwise the building of families would collapse.
          Sooner or later, you’re going to have to suck off a guy you’re disgusted with, to get that picket fence 🙂

    • Let me answer the “guys only chase hot babes, and ignore the average/uggo women” point you brought up…

      You are correct that many of the bitter men around the net are average guys who went around only hitting on the hottest women, ignored the average ones, and then went to complain no women like them.

      There is a MASSIVE thing you’re not seeing though

      Those average women were ALSO not hitting on those average guys. In other words, those average women were sitting around with an ENTITLED attitude of FEMALE PRIVILEGE, sitting around going “Guys need to approach me, kiss me first, ask me out first etc”.

      See, the thing is. Being male is this massive pool of doing all the work, taking tons of rejections and seeing little gratitude for it. That changes little depending on whom you are pursuing.

      – If an average guy goes out and hits on a 100 hotties, 97 will reject him.
      – If an average guy goes out and hits on a 100 average women, 94 will reject him.

      DO YOU SEE? While it is true that He’d have DOUBLE the success if he went for average women, the big picture is both involve tons of pain, tons of unreciprocicated effort etc.

      The main issue is women’s laziness and passivity and plausible deniability. Those 6 average women will not hit on him, ask him out, etc etc. They are just as lazy as entitled as the 3 hot ones. Make sense?

      If average women were less lazy, your point would hold more value, but as it stands, with women’s laziness, there’s little incentive for men to go for entitled average women.

      The REASON these men are bitter is NOT because they shot out of their league. The reason they’re bitter is that they’re SICK of the system women have created and upkeep, a system that forces men to endure pain, humiliation, rejection and have to do all the work.

      Google “Dungone’s tiger analogy”.

      • You are correct that many of the bitter men around the net are average guys who went around only hitting on the hottest women, ignored the average ones, and then went to complain no women like them.

        In other words, when a guy complains that no women like him, it’s because NO WOMEN HAVE EVER SHOWN HIM INTEREST. That’s the point. EVER, in his entire life!

        Your point that there’s a ton of average women who WOULD be interested if he asked them out, is irrelevant, because these lazy women are PROACTIVELY HIDING their interest.

        THEIR THEORETICAL INTEREST is IRRELEVANT when they don’t show it. Women FORCE this SADISTIC ritual onto men where the man is forced to gather massive amounts of rejection before he gets a woman who finally admits interest back.

        All of this could end TOMMOROW if women stopped playing the plausible deniability, interest-hiding game.

        • If a woman did simply ask you out, without stalking you or anything nasty like that, would you simply decide whether or not you were attracted to her and then say yes or no…

          …or would you accuse her of being aggressive and unfeminine and feminist for being a woman asking a man out?

        • would you simply decide whether or not you were attracted to her and then say yes or no…

          No need for hypotheticals, since I’ve become very succesful in a niche (i’m in top 1% in my country in this niche, while being buff and rich), this has been happening quite a lot, I’m excited every time it happens.

          As it turns out, I have a coffee date in 5 hours from writing this comment, she asked for it. And I am psyched to meet with a mature, go-for-it girl like her.

          …or would you accuse her of being aggressive and unfeminine and feminist for being a woman asking a man out?

          That’s an irrational paranoia fantasy that lazy women invent to excuse being lazy. Every single man I know loves and respects upfront, direct, move-making women. I’ve honestly never met a guy who dislikes a woman for being not lazy.

          p.s.

          did you say

          …or would you accuse her of being aggressive and unfeminine and feminist

          That makes even less sense and is even more absurd, since feminists never ask men out.

          Feminists are the biggest group of hypocritical scum on planet earth.

        • Hey Alek, you have supported Aaron Sleazy in the past, and I know Aaron Sleazy recommends that guys look for signals of interest from women before approaching. It would seem that Aaron believes women don’t proactively hide their interest but give signals clear enough for men to spot and then act on. It would seem now that you disagree with him.

          I may be wrong, but I seem to remember you saying on SeductionMyth that an effective method to avoid rejection is to only hit on girls who show you interest, yet here you say that women proactively hide their interest from men, so it seems that you have changed your opinion and no longer believe that women signal interest, but instead that women proactively hide interest.

          This is very interesting – logically, if women proactively hide interest, then the only thing guys can do is approach indiscriminately and randomly or not at all, so I suppose this must now be your new position.

          It’s very interesting to see how your position has evolved over time. I can;t say I agree much with your new position as in my experience women don’t proactively hide interest. The most I can say is that they are not as bold and upfront as one would like, and as they expect men to be, but they certainly don’t hide interest. But we are all entitled to our opinion.

        • In other words, when a guy complains that no women like him, it’s because NO WOMEN HAVE EVER SHOWN HIM INTEREST. That’s the point. EVER, in his entire life!

          Such men are very rare, certainly not the average men. Most men in my circle, a pretty average circle, have had multiple women over time express interest, and it is not uncommon even for men to be asked out by women roughly at their level of appeal.

          The plight of the male who has had no woman ever express any interest in him is something we should be sympathetic to, but it is a minority of men, and I suspect many men from this group are the kind who don’t dress well or groom themselves and then can’t understand why they aren’t found attractive. I actually know guys like this, and some women too. It’s a not uncommon attitude in America to believe that you should be desirable “as is” without making any effort at all to be attractive.

          Of course, I can only speak of what I know personally, which is a large East Cost American city. I don’t know what conditions are like elsewhere. It’s possible there are places in the world where the average man gets no interest even from average women, but I very much doubt it. From my travels and from what I read, it seems American women are the least likely to meet men halfway, so if anything, things are probably better in the rest of the world.

        • @Rob

          Here’s where your confusion comes from.

          My views haven’t changed, I just assume people have reading abilities and ability to parse things in CONTEXT. My writing can be misunderstood since I don’t edit. Having a life I just rant out stuff in the few minutes I’m on a computer. I don’t take the time to keep adding clarifiers for the few people who will misunderstand it.

          Let me clarify it for you…

          – The current “women don’t show interest” tangent is IN THE CONTEXT of “AMBIGUITY vs EXPLICITNESS”

          Do you understand?

          In other words:

          – OF COURSE WOMEN SHOW INTEREST ALL THE TIME
          – But they do so in cowardly plausibly deniable ways

          Do you understand the difference?

          The CONTEXT of the TANGENT at aaron’s place is that:

          – Women creep shame and wuss-shame if you do or don’t make a move when they wanted you to or didn’t

          – Yet at the same time they ONLY show interest in DOUBLE-MEANING, plausible deniable ways which are very similar to merely being polite/friendly.

          Do you understand now?

          When we’ve said in the past it’s best to hit-on/approach women who are interested, this is in the context of looking APPROACHABLE (i.e. where it’s clear she won’t mind being rejected).

          I can admit some lack of clarity in writing due to haste in writing, but trust me, I’ve never said you can tell a woman is interested in YOU before you even talk to her – that’s fucking insane to say.

          p.s. I myself misunderstood aaron as saying that (he is even worse at writing than I am), and he got mad at me when I said “wtf, aaron how can guys tell if a chick is interested from across the room” – and he got mad at him for “misrepresenting him”, just like I get mad at guys.

          Our writing ability does confuse guys sometimes…

        • Part 2 – For Rob – The Context On This Blog

          When men say they’ve never had a woman ever show them interest, the meaning of that claim is “In direct, explicit and overt ways which are significantly different than merely being friend”

          For example, I am able to tell the difference between the

          – “I’m politely rejecting you and only want to be friends” smile
          and the
          – “I’m saying no because I don’t want to appear easy, but I want you try 5 minutes later” smile

          But in terms of experience, I am in the top 1% of men. You literally have to see hundreds of situations before you can become extremely good at telling these subtle differences.

          So from the perspective of most men – they’ve never had a woman show them interest – since the average guy only sees friendly behaviour vs not-friendly behaviour. He never explicitly gets hit on by women (at least not women of his own league, uglier women do hit on him).

      • this is still a male dominated world. watever men say goes. if women need government assistance then men will comply and give it to them. thats not the same as women having power. men r presidents, mostly governors (thanks to feminism) they own, discovered and built 99% of wat we have which u men like to gloat about.
        so if u have a problem with how things r then i suggest u take it up with men and not women or femisim. but since most men cannot stand up to other men, only to women, things will stay how it is. all men in their very nature r cowards. men usually stand up to other men if their male friends or male relatives around but with a woman men have no problem (unless of course she has many brothers then men back off).
        u think women r lazy and have a mentality that all men must approach her and kiss her first wen u know damn well it is men who teach their sons to go for the hottest babe in the room FIRST, who teach their daughters that only sl*ts approach men and u also know (and youre probably one of them) that women r sl*ts and wh*res for initiating ANYTHING with a man.
        I dont think men r bitter….only weird.
        as one of ur fellow anti-feminist men once said “if it wasnt for men’s compliance, feminism would not exist”.
        If u don’t believe me that this is a male-dominated world thats ur problem. youre just to busy posting comments on anti-feminists websites like this one.
        in a male-dominated world watever good happens it is mens fault…..watever bad happens its also mens fault. u dont like…..talk to UR MEN about it. WE women do not force anything on men.

        • google Apex Fallacy…

          Men are not one monolithic group…

          But that’s probably too complex a topic to discuss with someone who says U instead of you…

      • Thanks for clarifying, Alek. So you think, if I understand you correctly, that Aaron’s advice is only to approach seemingly friendly and open girls, not girls who are specifically giving YOU signals of sexual interest, which women do not express clearly so would be impossible for you to detect before talking to her.

        I am not sure this is an accurate characterization of Aaron’s position, or yours on SedMyth, but this does clarify your comments here. I don’t agree with this position , I think most female friendliness in bars and clubs is by definition sexual, and I think women give clear signs of specifically sexual interest as distinct from mere friendliness all the time, but at least I understand you (I think. Maybe I don’t).

        As for women themselves being afraid to clearly express sexual interest while demanding of men bold and upfront expressions of interest, women who hold that position are indeed being rankly hypocritical. For my part, I don’t deny women expect men to do more of the work, but I think they are far clearer than you will allow. But no doubt some women do think as you describe (feminists), and that’s an indefensible position.

  22.  because I write U and not YOU, u think I’m illogical? You’re a truly dumb b*tch. But I guess since I’m a woman and you’re a man u can assume watever u want about me.

    And anyways I don’t give to flying fucks if men r not monolithic.

    If men can say “oh….US men built, discovered and invented 99% of wat we have so women should be grateful” then men should also be responsible for bad things that men do all the time. If u wanna take responsibility for wat OTHER men did then men should take responsibility for the bad things too.

    IF NOT THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP BECAUSE MOST MEN DID NOT BUILD, DISCOVER OR INVENT A DAMN THING.

  23. @ P Ray

    Same could be said about u. Some day you’re gonna have to lick some fat, ugly bitch’s clit to get wat u want.

    And I don’t know wat you’re saying about women not being able to afford to buy a house or something. Do u not see women buying houses and property and shit? Thanks to feminism (which u hate) we can do watever we want (just like men) so quit thinking you’re better than half the population.

  24. No that’s bull, I never get a guys attention anywhere!!! From school, the mall. Anywhere! If I do, it’s one who is ugly, nerdy, etc. but the decent looking guys go for the hot girls. Not sweet, nice girls, who are cute and quiet, shy and smart

  25. That’s bull I’m a teenage girl, who has talked to every age. And do not get one notice me. At school, volunteering, my dads work place, the mall. All the decent looking guys, go after a hot chick. All my friends who I look the same as have guys and I don’t. They don’t even have to work at it.

  26. I don’t know who Forney is and I’m not trolling.

    Men like hot women not ugly, fat “bitches”.

    Just because men fuck some ugly fat woman DOES NOT mean EVERY MAN would do the same. Those men that don’t mind fucking a fat ugly “bitch” do so cause they’re either going through a dry spell, horny or they CAN’Tget a hot woman.

    I’ve seen fugly women with men in actual relationships. So wat?

    It’s in a mans nature to fuck asany women as possible so that the human race survive. Being picky doesn’t help men. It benefitwomen to be picky so that we don’ raise a kid by ourselves unless we say so.

    Thanks to sperm banks and women being able to work we do not need men to get pregnant or support us. (Only pretty women get the luxury of being loved and cared for, not fuglies).

    But we love sex though 🙂

    • For that matter, just because a man would fuck a 1 or 2 doesn’t mean he’d talk to that 1 or 2 in public.

      • Yea sperm comes from men. And wen they don’t wanna raise their kid then they go to a sperm bank and become anonymous so that they don’t have to pay child support.

        I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that but that’s wat sperm banks r for.

        @just a reader
        I know men would fuck a 1 or 2 but wouldn’t talk to them in public. Sooooo wats ur point in saying that?

        My point was that men don’t like ugly women which would be a a woman that is a 1-6. And u just proved it by saying they would fuck them but not talk to them. But y…as a man….would u admit that I….being a woman….was/is right?

        • Anonymous sperm donors have been found and been forced to pay child support. It’s actually caused many sperm banks to run short on sperm.

          You can’t get away from needing men.

  27. They’re running short on sperm donation because many men want to father children without paying child support. Most anonymous men are anonymous. Just because u know a few that have been found outdoesn’t mean a damn thing.

    Whio said I dont need men?

    Actually I don’t.

    Tell me how do I need men.

    For building buildings? Wat percentage of the male population ghave built these buildings?
    For fixing my car? I can go to a female mechanic.
    For fixing my phone? I can ask a female who works for myphones company.
    To protect me from other MEN? That’s wat I have a gun for and I have plenty of male relatives and friends….NOT random men.
    Because less that 5% of the male population actually built, discover and invented 99% of wat we have u thuink I owe men something? Yea right.

    I will personally thank those men. NOT ALL MEN.

    The only ason y men have discovered and invented and built mostly everything was because they excluded women from doing anything. The only thing women did was read and write. Did u forget that ur gender did that to my gender? Of course u did.

    Just like women in Saudi Arabia can’t drive. Just like women in the middle east r killed for going to school.

    So I don’t know where u get that every womannedneeds a man from.

    Family is the most important thing in the world. My male relatives are more important to me than any random douchebag that thinks I owe him something because hia gender made my phone and car.

    I bet there r more male criminals than good men. Do u watch the new and if u do so u live in one of the top 5 safest states? If so then u need to move to the big cities where male violence is the norm.

    Oh and sperm donation…..many men would GLADLY give it up Soooo….keep up the fgood work. Remember all we need is ur sperm, NOT YOU. AND SEX.

    Most women need men and others don’t. Get use to it. If I can accept that some men don’t need women then u men should accept that some women don’t need men.

    And how did we get off topic to talk about sperm?

    • “The only ason y men have discovered and invented and built mostly everything was because they excluded women from doing anything.”

      Women generally aren’t interested in fields that produce tangible advancement in standard of living, like the sciences or engineering.

      That’s the main reason women still earn less in the First World; a refusal to enter professions that produce value, because they’re ‘boring’, difficult and don’t offer much in the way of immediate emotional gratification.

      Then they whine that they’re not getting paid 100k+ working in human resources.

      And how many blue collar women plumbers do you know of?

      Of course it bears mentioning that If the majority of men were criminals society as we know it wouldn’t exist.

  28. Women were excluded from learning higher math and science for 1000’s of years so wat r u tlking about? If they were forced like men were themn we would see more females interested in math and science.

    Sorry for my typos.

    Most men didn’t know higher math or science….they were taught.

    Women were forced to cook and clean and learn to read and write.

    Even men who were idols such as Aristotle thought women were to stupid to learn math and science. And how could he have known if his gender excluded the other gender?

    I would guess that men find reading, writing, poetry and other feminine stuff boring.

    Women who complain about not being paid much chose traditionaly female jobs. But y do those female jobs pay so low in the first place? I think taking care of other ppl’s children should be paid more. Science like physics hasn’t change for 100’s of years so y r they being paid so much?

    Did I say most men were criminals? NO I DIDN’T.

    I said that there r more male criminals than good men meaning men that build, invent, discovered, police officers and navy seals put together.

    This world would be a disaster if most men were criminals. It would be the same as going to jail. There r more male prison inmates than cops. How sad.

    Wat r u males gonna do? Sit on a computer and whine that feminist make men look bad or look and the mirrior and realise its not feminism or women…..its men.

    So here’s wat u need to do….tell ur males to stop rape, murder (of anyone especially innocent males), drive safe, stop drinking and smoking, stop fighting, don’t join gangs (and there r 100 of thousands of them if u don’t believe me then google it) stop calling women bitches and hoes for the same thing MEN DO, stop harassing, don’t abandon your children, stop cheating, stop treating ugly, fat women like shit, don’t get mad I’d u can’t get a hot babe, don’t get mad because women won’t listen to u, stop blaming women for rape d the list goes in and on.

    Yes women cheat and force men to leave but women who cheat r whores so that arguement is moot and most women who tell their men to leave have good reason.

    So women rape and murder. It’s nothing compared to men. It’s still wrong that women do that but I don’t think its a human thing. I think its a male thing.

    WOMEN DO THE SAME THING MEN DO…..so don’t mention it wen u respond back.

    How did we get off topic again?

    • oh, Julia are you a feminist?

      do you like cats?

      tehe, I’ve got some kitty pr0n for u…

      I like to bash low status men so empowered womyn will peg me with a strap-on…

      yah misandry!!!!

      (just remember grl, I will fight you just as hard for the last donut as I’d fight any man, to do otherwise would be benevolent sexism)

    • Women have had access to higher education for decades now. Nobodies is forced into domestic servitude any more and currently girls actually outperform boys on average in school, so stop with the excuses.

      If women wanted to enter into the Engineering fields there would be nothing stopping them. By in large they don’t want to.

      Its a similar story with blue-collar trades. They’re still predominantly male because women believe such work is beneath them. It’s up to men to do the dirty, dangerous work, men you vilify as sub-human, without whom you would starve.

      The hypo-agency rubbish doesn’t fly.

  29. Oh David r u a men’s right activist?

    Do u hate feminism? Hehe

    I’ve got porn for u too. It’s very violent just the way men like it….and rape porn too. After all millions of men watch it so they must fantasize it even if they don’t rape.

    Yay misogyny.

    I bet u would fight a woman for a donut. But u made the mistake of saying u’d fight a man too. That’s BS. We all know that any man that hits a woman WILL NOT hit another man. It’s called being a pussy not “equal rights, equal fights” that men like to spew around.

    Luckily I’m one of those women that will NEVER hit a man UNLESS he hits me first and I tell my female friends to not hit boys….because its WRONG.

    And since u brought up sexism I suggest u look at other sexist stuff towards females and not the ones that involv
    punching a woman in the face.

    If not u should not be allowed to talk about not hitting women as being sexist wen u don’t fight against other sexist things against women.

    Feminism is about equal rights for women.

    Today’s feminism may be sexist towards men but that doesn’t mean I agree with it.

  30. There r men that r against feminism just like there r women against mra’s.

    You’re doing a terrible job of mocking the actual David.

    If u don’t like wat he says then debate against him.

    I do not agree with modern feminism if it promotes hating men.

    There r plenty of men who r misogynists.

    I bet u agree with them.

    It takes a hater to know a hater.
    Y don’t u debate wat I said before? Do u like fat women? Ugly? If not do u ignore them or treat them like crap?

    Because that was my point wen I first started to post to and then u men came out of nowhere and started saying stupid shit.

    Sorry for my typos

  31. To all the men on this site…..

    Would u ever date an ugly girl, a fat girl or both?

    If the answer is no to all 3 then wat is ur opinion of them?

    Do u even talk to those kinds of girls? Do utreat them like shit?

    These questions should not be answered witha question. For example since I asked would u date a certain kind of girl then u should not ask if i or any woman would date a certain kind of man.

    We all know women and men are different. Especially u anti feminist who spew the differences around.

    Sex is out too. Only DATING and of course marrying her.

    So…..would u?

  32. Sure, I’ll answer. No, I would not date an overweight woman. Nor would I date an unattractive woman. Yes, I do talk to them. I treat them as the human beings that they are – kindly, respectfully and decently. I believe that just because one person is not sexually and romantically attracted to another, that is no reason not to treat the other person decently. I have plenty of female friends that I don’t find attractive or who are overweight but I am friends with them, and so their being overweight and unattractive does not really matter (because we’re only friends.) The essential point is that just because you’re not attracted to someone that’s no reason to treat them like shit. I think many of the men who comment on here find that all, or nearly all, of the women they encounter treat them awfully if they are not attracted to them. My experience differs; I have been treated well by women whom I know aren’t interested in dating me. If people of both genders would just act like human beings and practice the Golden Rule then much of the discord we talk about on here would not be the unfortunate part of most men’s experience that it is. (It is important to note that Black Pill mentioned in an earlier post that he once liked women and was still treated quite badly by them. In other words, he didn’t “ask for it” by his own behavior.)

  33. @David

    Even though u didn’t answer my question ill just comment.

    We can also laugh at the millions of women that r raped and murdered each decade by the male gender too.

    Y don’t u answer the question?

    @the black pill

    Didn’t I write don’t answer my question with a question?

    Anyways since u did ill ask……r u a virgin too? R u interested in her too?

    @someone

    I actually liked ur answer and I believe u r right. Bit unfortunately most men don’t do that. Most men don’t respect or even talk to ugly fat chicks. Actually that’s not unfortunatwat is unfortunate is that there r some men that do like fat chicks but there r men like u that don’t.

    So wats an ugly woman to do if 1/10 of 1,000 men actually like them?

    Oh and David no I do not have a strap on. I prefer the REAL DICKS.

    Sorry for the typos again

  34. @someone

    In case u didn’t understand ill rephrase it.

    If 97% of men would not talk to or treat ugly women like crap…..if 2% of men r like u who would talk to one but never date one…..and then the remaining 1% of men like The Black Pill who would date one, then wat does that say about the male population?

  35. @Julia

    Well, I wonder whether that’s best asked as a rhetorical question…I mean, obviously, if 97% of men in the U.S., in the western world (or whatever) treat women they’re not attracted to as complete crap then that says something pretty bad about them not just as men but as human beings….in the exact same way that if 97% or 98% or 99.9999% of women treat men who they find unattractive like complete crap it says something pretty awful about them not just as women but as human beings. But are the percentages REALLY that high? Black Pill contends that he has NO evidence that the percentages mentioned above for women really aren’t that high, but my experience has differed. Maybe your experience suggests that the percentage of men who treat overweight women badly really is that high. But is your experience representative? I hope the hell not, but maybe it is, who knows. I can say that my experience has differed. I live in a major metro area in the U.S. South and I see more than a few men treat overweight women they’d never date pretty decently. Perhaps that’s because so much of the population here is overweight anyway. What many commenters on here believe, though, is that no matter how overweight, etc. a woman is she will usually have at least one man somewhere in her experience who is interested in dating her…but usually not the man she wants. It’s hard out there. I just think that whether we think or care about sex and dating we just all treat each other with respect and like human beings. It’s just that simple but few seem to know or care.

    By they way, if I meet and know an overweight and unattractive girl and she expresses interest in losing weight, working out, eating healthy, and improving her appearance and attractiveness I will encourage her with enthusiasm and true good will in the spirit of humanity and friendship. Many times I have seen some really fat girl at the gym working out and I always try to say a kind word of encouragement. Interestingly how people behave in gyms is one area where gamers like Roissy show they don’t know what they’re talking about. Fit people in gyms are among the most positive and encouraging, not arrogant and demeaning of others. Roissy will talk about beta weakling men in gyms getting picked on by athletes, for example. Wrong. In most real gyms, a serious athlete will see and sense the spirit and determination of some person new to fitness and give a nod or a few words of positive thinking and positive thoughts. There is hope for all out there.

  36. @someone

    The 97% wat just a bullshit #. I didn’t mean it

    Just curious….y would u encourage her to lose weight and look attractive?

  37. No I don’t have nor ever had multiple men interested in me. As a matter of fact I never had one man interested in me. I don’t know what it looks like to have a man look you in the face for more than one third of a second (besides my father who btw just told me that he “should have had a beautiful daughter” because somehow if you’re an ugly man you still deserve to “have” beautiful women, that’s how oblivious these pieces of shit aka men are to real life). Were I ever to have sex I can guarantee the guy would ask to turn the lights out or offer me a paperbag. But come to think of it, my opinion probably doesn’t count because I’m not pretty so I’m not even a real human being.

  38. No there are I fact millions of women world-wide nobody wants. They’re not the ones that are on your radar so you don’t see them in the first place and none of them has a 20 men waiting list much less do men even respond when they initiate contact out of desperation. Essentially their dating experience is no different than that of men, an endless slew of rejection until they learn to settle on what they can have. Just like most men do every day too, they have to take what they can get not what they would like and learn to be happy with it or not.

  39. Going back to the subject:

    As a female I would like to add that I have never had any male attention while being anywhere ever……..

    Let me correct this statement, I have never NOTICED any males giving me any particular attention while being anywhere ever.

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