This was said at Roissy’s blog.
I found the next George Sodini. It’s clear that this dude will eventually crack and go on a shooting spree. I will be interested if he decides to kill himself afterward or not. Unlike Loughner he’s much more coherent and lucid. If he survives his shooting spree it will be the first case where an attack of this nature will be defended by its perpetrator with MRA rhetoric, the ideology of losers without game.
The link in the comment was to this blog. I have gotten that before in comments here or elsewhere. I’m sure there are many more people who believe I’m going to “go Sodini”. It’s not because of facts or evidence. It’s because THEY WANT IT TO BE TRUE. Yes, I believe that THEY WANT ME TO GO SODINI. Women want me to go Sodini because it justifies their attacks on me which otherwise make them look evil. Some men want me to go Sodini because they’re internet keyboard jockeys who are all talk when it comes to getting laid.
Look at who Sodini, Gunwitch, and Loughner and what they really were about. Sodini wasn’t a virgin like me. He actually got laid. He also spent time at game or pua seminars. Gunwitch was a game guru (and was still living with his mom at 31). Loughner was a conspiracy theorist and he had girlfriends in the past. IOW none of these guys are anything like me since I believe in neither game nor conspiracy theory.
While I’m surprised game and conspiracy theory caused this level of murder, I’m not surprised those things can screw up a person’s mind. If they get that insane, then anything including mass murder is possible. There’s also a lot of overlap between believers in game and believers in conspiracy theory. Knowing these facts I’m forced to conclude that anyone who accuses me of “being the next Sodini” is trying to manufacture a situation where I would become the next Sodini. It won’t work since their beliefs on what causes Sodinis are completely wrong, and I’m not going to give in to my enemies if nothing else. If you think I’m wrong about this, ask this question: Comments on other blogs are one thing since I may never read them, but why would they come on to this blog and try and irritate me if they think I’m going to snap at any time? Trying to get me to snap would make them at least morally an accesory to multiple murders if I really was what they claim. (Thank whatever deity you believe or don’t believe in that I’m right because if I was wrong people would be dead.)
It’s game and conspiracy theory that creates Sodinis, not being a male virgin.
Well said W&N. I cannot wait to see how many marriage proposals Loughner is going to get in prison as a result of this. If only they allowed conjugal visits, for guys like us, commiting this kind of act would almost be worth it.
Game leads men to think that it’s their fault for not putting enough effort into learning it. Bullshit.
@Dali – Spot on brother.
Game places blame on MEN. Pattern recognition.
What else likes to blame things on MEN?
Pattern recognition:
They want you to go Sodini (I prefer Fidelbogen’s term “Blazing Frank”).
The best thing you can do is disappoint them. Which I have no doubt you will.
I agree. Game believers hold a certain fanatical belief that game works for everyone. It doesn’t, and it doesn’t because it doesn’t exist. The fact that Sodini went to one of those bullshit hucksters’ boot camps and still couldn’t find success shows.
Game is a placebo that works for good looking, yet shy men. That is all it is. Again this is to be seen in the admittance by the more prominent yet honest game proponents that it only works for a small percentage of men.
They tend to attribute knowledge about divorce injustice, paternity fraud and so on to game when you bring this up and therefore claim that it is “useful to all men” on that basis, but this is really just un-politically correct knowledge being used to make logical decisions by those men who learn about the truth of these things. Any man who isn’t thoroughly emasculated will know that marriage and all of the other things are bullshit and exactly how and why to evade them. This owes none of its success to game.
Yeah, lots of people enjoy the thrill of disasters happening. Only they don’t think through how horrific it is when a tragedy actually occurs.
I don’t think W&N is insane enough to go on a rampage. In fact, the vast majority of male virgins are simply too passive to do something like that.
A lot of these game people have to show to everyone how snarky and macho they are. In a way it’s a lot like the forced and unfunny hipster irony but pumped up on steroids. PUAs are like hipsters with roid rage.
Here’s an angle that I find interesting, W&N. You know how PUAs always say that by being the seducer, you take co-opt role that the woman would normally have in order to trick her up and get into her pants? Well that’s what a lot of PUAs seem to be doing. All these petty putdowns mimic female behavior. I read once that in a truly masculine society, men don’t need “game” to succeed with women — they simply demonstrate their talents and are chosen. It’s when the dating game becomes feral that men have to co-opt female personality traits to attract women.
So basically when PUAs resort to petty putdowns instead of addressing your points, and use shaming tactics, they are no better than women who do the same thing. In fact they might as well be women, because this is the shit women do. PUAs = women.
There are definitely feminine aspects to game. I’ve written about this before:
http://dzheng.freeshell.org/?e=67
Ultimately, the only way a woman is going to fuck a man is if she wants to. There are certain attitudes a man can have which can increase his chances. Sometimes Game can instill that in some men, sometimes not. But I agree with the commenters above who say Game plays by a girl’s rules. Absolutely.
There’s also several PUAs (and PUA teachers) i’ve found online who openly support the Democratic Party. I’m not a Republican, and generally think the GOP is despicable, but any man supporting the democrats should just chop his own dick off now and be done with it. Let’s see how “game” works with Hillary Clinton’s stiletto heel down your throat, Mr. PUA.
The relationship between “Game” and human biodioversity, evopsych, sociobiology etc is complex. I would compare it to the relationship between Marxism and Leninism. The evopsych science that Roissyism is based on is entirely biologically deterministic, the same way Marxism is techno-econo deterministic. And yet Roissyism like Leninism or Maoism would have us believe that sheer will power, voluntarism, elan vitale, hard work can change those biological characteristics. And yet like the Leninists they will claim to be the most ardent disciples of determinism- where it suits them. And so Lenin kept “capitalism will fall”, and the Roissyites keep “women like jerks”. The enemy will act machine-like, but we armed with the sword of deterministic science, can overcome determinism. Roissyism is basically a Lysenkoist ideology. It believes that through sheer willpower any obstacle can be overcome. Lysenko also swore fidelity to Darwin. Its funny how all philosophies of predestination always produce the exact opposite in their followers. You could also throw in Calvinism and the Protestant work ethic. Roissyites are the Leninists of HBD.
I wouldn’t worry about the Roissy’s commenters. Most of them strike me as Internet Tough Guys. They like to act like pimps on his blog, but the highlight of their weekends probably consists of playing World of Warcraft.
Of course they’re like that. Even the married commenters at Roissy’s are.
In a democratic society there are no non-combatantants.
High Standards + Nice Guy Syndrome + Idealism + Moral Authority = NO SEX
Fixed that for you.
The kind of girl that goes around poisoning the Nice Guy’s reputation is the kind of girl that:
1. doesn’t want other girls to be happy
2. prefers men who are morally depraved
3. wants to keep away that which always reminds her of what she could have had if she had chosen to behave considerately towards nice men.
A lot of nice guys get destroyed just because princess doesn’t want to know or is embarrassed by her actions in the past, she can make sure she is “alpha female” only when all other males (except the one she has chosen) gets put down as the “beta-or-worse, you’ll-do” choices
There is no secret to sex with women. All you have to do is go after them and they will have sex with you. So why don’t guys get pussy? Because they are afraid to go after what they want and they don’t think they deserve it. So they never get it. Remember the saying
a closed mouth doesn’t get fed
Do you really think that I have never tried going after women before? If it’s so simple, then why have I always been rejected?
Hey W&N,
But let’s step back for a moment. You mentioned somewhere even your guy friends are mostly guys who have a hard time approaching women as opposed to the majority of guys who don’t have such problem. That to me is a giveaway hint that you probably do have difficulty empathizing/connecting with the population at large, male or female. Not that there is anything immoral or wrong about it, it’s just that it has little to do with the gender issue.
I know you’re going to come back and challenge me for an explanation of your alleged “persecution” in the hands of women. Well, think again. Suppose my hypo was right that you are a difficult person to the majority of people. Well, most guys would simply shrug you off as an oddball. Not so with women. With our hyper-sexualized culture many women will take offense at your mere (shall we say) uncomfortable presence and impute ulterior motives to the way you act/are. Think harder. Did you have problem dealing with non-love-shy guys? Were you bullied in school? Have you ever been accepted as a cool kid?
Does that make sense to you at all? I am not trying to give you a hard time. I just want to explore some alternative explanation. After all, what good is an explanation unless it can produce real changes in life?
“Not so with women. With our hyper-sexualized culture many women will take offense at your mere (shall we say) uncomfortable presence and impute ulterior motives to the way you act/are.”
So you are saying that you agree with the fact that women believe men like W&N should off themselves since his mere presence upsets the goddesses. You are proving W&N’s, and many other guys belief that to women guys like W&N are not even human. Deserving of less rights than a cockroach, deserving to be banished from the earth. Well, women created these guys and reinforced their beliefs over the years through their harsh treatment and rejection This is the core belief of W&N’s blog.
If I have a problem empathizing/connecting with the population at large it’s because they or rather women and manginas acting on behalf of women have forced me to be an outcast. Not the other way around.
Not until their women found out about me. There are several times when I thought I was making friends with guys who didn’t have my problem. In each case it fell apart as soon as their girlfriends and/or female friends found out about me. Since women have the pussy and I don’t, I lost.
Not until high school. IOW I didn’t have problems until boys and girls started getting interested in each other.
Before high school yes. After that no. Around 8th grade/freshman year give or take is when I started having problems. I started losing friends including friends I had for years. When I lost a friend pretty much corresponded to when at least one girl was interested in them. Over time I was only left with the guys no female wanted which is where I have been at for years.
You seem to have the sequence of events of what happened to me backwards. And whatever women may think of me when do women get held responsible for their CRIMINAL behavior towards me?
Here come the rationalizations. Something MUST be mentally wrong with him. Throw him in the gulag. He must be dangerous…
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No time to get into this right now, but I agree with james that there are always multiple factors behind a phenomenon; rare is the occasion where one could attribute every consequence to one cause. I disagree however with james’ jumping the gun here – women are defensive for many reasons, some of which more legitimate than others, just as us men are.
The problem is – there is no use pointing out or complaining about a phenomenon unless one plans to do something about it. There are things that one can change and things that one can’t. I tend to view as pointless all attributions that lead to an difficult-to-remove cause. Okay, suppose for one moment that W&N is right that it’s all women’s fault that he is “criminally persecuted.” What is he going to do? Re-write statutes? Fine – I suppose he could become an activist. But do you know how long it takes to repeal a statute or litigate a civil rights type case to its conclusion? What are you going to do in the meantime? Blog?
Sorry for being snarky here. But I think the above also “Observer’s” mischaracterization of my earlier position. I am not rationalizing anything, just saying there are multiple causes to one effect. There are causes you can work on and those that you can’t (not for the short run). Tackle first those you can work on.
P.S. – W&N – my earlier post already contained the explanation of women’s (what you consider “CRIMINAL”) behavior towards you. I see. In your view, men with girlfriends/wives are all “manginas.” Individuals under the magic spell of their significant others. That allows you to insist that you have no problems befriending “real men,” viz, your view, men who do not have significant others. Really? Do people even have to show their significant others their friends?
“Not until their women found out about me. There are several times when I thought I was making friends with guys who didn’t have my problem. In each case it fell apart as soon as their girlfriends and/or female friends found out about me. Since women have the pussy and I don’t, I lost.”
But these guys don’t even have to introduce you to their girlfriends/female friends. I know a guy who’s been married for more than a year now (and dating for almost 10 years) and met his wife less than half a dozen times during the course, mostly at weddings and other formal events when you don’t get to get that close with people.
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When I was into game, I too got filled with a LOT of hatred. Constantly going out, constantly getting rejected that too by stupid ugly women. I typically wouldn’t bother approaching them, but I was taught that you should do it for practice and the getting da skillz.
I share a lot of this on my blog – anti-pua-johnny.blogspot.com. You might find it interesting.
Ultimately, what saved me was the fact that I had regular normal friends and some regular hobbies. When I periodically spent time with them, I got back in touch with how the normal world feels like.
But yeah dude, I agree with this article 100%. I saw a lot of weirdos in the PUA community during the short time I spent doing that shit. A lot of them were filled with a lot of hatred and really did seem to be on the brink of freaking out and doing some weird shit. Also for a lot of dudes, it seemed like the more time these people spent doing PUA, the weirder they seemed to become.
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