161 comments on “Thoughtcrime

  1. I just discovered your blog and all the game-hating and the gamers hating back nonsense… so trying to figure out whats going on, clicked on that poor Justin´s link and somehow landed on the bible

    http://biblicalmanhood.blogspot.com/2009/11/defining-game-and-consergame.html

    fairly well written and exposed. two major flaws though.

    first, girls are not “entitled” to chase alpha boys, they just do so. yes, you can try to constrain that with morals, laws, whatever, but they will try to break and bend them because, well, they are women, they want the stronger and more high status lad they can find

    second is to consider this from a pre-set mindframe and beliefs, Christianity on this case. ok, good luck trying to figure out the world according to whatever ´ism. in order to make reality fit you will have to close your eyes and repeat some mantras, so you can deny whats going on and keep your reality intact (cough)

    so he goes with stuff like “if I accept evolutionary psycology” and I laugh. whats to accept? turn on animal planet and watch. we are animals, quite complex, but still animals. we arent that far away, if you pay attention

    that said I understand disliking game. if you have to do any special dance or show yourself in any specific way, doesnt that contradicts love, real human intimacy, special snowflakenes, whatever real, solid, transparent… real love? soulmating? is life possible when girls only want you if you are a “stud”? what happens with the rest of you?¨and so on

    the trick is to understand love and real intimacy can happen after they can interact with you as a MAN, or, say, like a WOMAN to a MAN. same way you look at them and want to interact with women, not just persons. and women are way more aware of the traits they want, and it only really hurts because men have been brainwashed to ditch these traits as unwanted… any way, long story

    still trying to figure out whats the deal with the hating here. I was an omega or so myself a long while back

  2. to address the subject

    “What is it about me that infuriates gamers so much?”

    I bet is many sympathize with you because you claim to be an omega, so they want to convert you, er, “save you” while you keep spinning circles of auto flagellation and drowning in a glass of water

    ” Gamers can’t stand disagreement. ”

    almost nobody can stand disagreement. your position against game is guilty of so as well

    “It’s no surprise they are interested in conspiracy theory”

    the world is fucked up from top to bottom, with a whole system saying “hey its for fun and your free entertainment” while operating some more macabre logics behind. take it as it is. someone, some circle, someone has to know whats going on, someone is pulling the strings. and yes, rockefellers are evil, is that even a question?

    “Gamers operate in a very totalitarian manner.”

    theres no academy nor church nor party, bro, gamers are way less structured than feminists, so there cant be totalitarism and calling it that is a joke. but I do get you get pushed down my gamers, as a whole. for some people game IS a religion and get very strict about it, I suspect they just needed a dogma to hold to – *ism fanatics

    calling your disagreement a “thoughtcrime” though, is just another downspiral of autoflagellation and pain augmentation, I wonder if you say so for show, or if you really feel like it

    • “almost nobody can stand disagreement. your position against game is guilty of so as well”

      Obviously the owner of this blog can stand at least *some* disagreement, as he lets people who disagree with them post their disagreements in the comments.

  3. Well, I like your blog, and I do not hate game.

    I know people that do it, and it “seems” to work for them, but as you pointed out somewhere – the people that it works for – they would not have even needed to use game in the first place.

    I suppose its like a lucky rabbits foot or something – a confidence booster.

      • Well, the set of rules exist – but, it is simply a confidence booster – for people who – as you put it – really do not need it in the first place. I forget what post it was of yours, but you said the the people that game works for – they would have succeeded even if they did not use game in the first place.

        I read the Hawaiian Libertarian’s blog – I like him – I also like you. However; I do disagree with some of the things he said about you.

        You remind me of me about 10-15 years ago – there was clearly something about me that just rubbed women the wrong way.

        It certainly wasn’t ass-burglar’s syndrome.

        • “it is simply a confidence booster for people who really do not need it in the first place.”

          no, thats like saying that tennis technique & training are simply a confidence boost for players that dont need it

          of course technique isnt going to win you a wimbledon if you are crippled

          but as long as you are reasonable physically sane, acquiring technique, practicing, training, makes you better. the time invested in playing properly is what makes the difference

          game is a set of rules to mimic alpha guys. you can learn that by faking or by becoming. when faking, you attempt to keep your inner ego, beta or lower, intact, while you make your body move and try to speak the part, thats when wont work, and thats what most people try.

          if you try to become, then you surrender your ego and preceptions and open to the experience. EXPERIENCE is what gets you there. if you just keep your life being a beta, omega, whatever, the repeated beta experience will only confirm that beta is all that exist. but if you drop your shit and try a different way to interact, set boundaries, love yourself, etc, self transformational and skills training, and pay attention to how the world responds and let your core self absorb that energy, then thats an experience that nurtures the alpha archetype in you

          calling that an unneeded confidence boost? dumb

          I dont like the whole fake approach and resentment that is abundant in the game culture, fakers lose

          but the transformation side is what every other guy needs, as long as he is tired of being a pushover

      • Game doesn’t exist? Yes it does, otherwise people wouldn’t be successfully using it to get laid.

        Now, of course, it’s nowhere as easy as the professionals make it sound. And in that sense, Game doesn’t exist. Not in the way that these snake oil salesmen tout it to be. But it is real, it’s just very difficult to be successful at it.

        In addition, I also agree that Game doesn’t exist in the sense of being the salvation of men under the crushing oppression of the Matriarchy that is Feminism.

        On the contrary, it is merely a useful tool adopted by the Feminists that keeps men dancing to the tune of women while making those men believe they are in control.

        No, Game exists, it just doesn’t exist in the way we were sold to the idea, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t real. Believe me, if Game was just a silly fantasy, the Playas wouldn’t be so dangerous to the MRAs as the Feminists.

        Game does, indeed, exist, but only as an unspoken and UNHOLY alliance between the Feminists and the Bad Boys the Feminists claim to despise but secretly yearn for.

  4. My two cents:

    W&N issues appear to be related to Asperger syndrome and
    people with this condition will experience severe difficulty in implementing game.

    I have no doubt that for W&N Game does not exist, because he literally has difficulty handling even ‘normal’ social interactions of any kind.

    Based on my own experience with family members, two who have Asperger, and one with high functioning Autism, ordinary life social interactions are baffling enough without taking it to the next level that game represents.

    Expecting W&N to understand game much less see it in action is beyond being realistic.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome
    “Asperger syndrome or Asperger’s syndrome or Asperger disorder ( /ˈɑspɚɡɚz/[1]) is an autism spectrum disorder that is characterized by significant difficulties in social interaction, along with restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests.”

    However,

    I knew someone with Asperger who managed to have a successful career as a Civil Engineer, get married and have one child.

    Also, let us not forget that Bill Gates is currently the most publicly successful man with autism spectrum disorder.

    So there is some reason for hope for W&N. I do not have any practical suggestions except that he should research his condition and play to his strengths.

    And if he is lucky enough to have a relative with natural game like I do, he could try consulting him.

    Good Luck out there!

    • man I have probably have some sort of Asperger myself, and just because of that I could learn how to socialize with people AFTER I was introduced to game. I had to first understand, rationally, what to do why and all the theory and math and crap in all its unfairness, before I could move my body and try. before it just made no sense.

      • If you constantly have to “game” the woman you’re with, doesn’t that mean you don’t really have a soulmate — in that you are “operating at a higher level” to “make her stay”, and that you are essentially alone, eventhough you have “companionship” and sex?
        But you run a greater risk of being cleaned out through “de-facto relationship” laws?
        So what in that equation makes you a “winner”?

        • Very little. In the best relationships, each person sees the best in the other, and the best that their partner has to offer. Every man has inside him the potential for greatness….and if he brings it out, the right woman for him will see that and be entranced. That’s what the gamers think being a “natural” is, but where they are confused is that nearly anyone who pursues his talents and makes himself into the best man he can be will eventually attract a great girl (and, yes, that means an attractive girl too…) and when the girl is entranced that way, and the guy isn’t faking or “running game” but is just being himself, having realized his potential, she just can’t get enough. I’ve seen it. The guys with the long-lasting relationships with hot women are doing the above, not “running game”.

        • what does “run game” mean for you? sounds like you mean pretending, faking, etc, if so, it makes zero sense, specially for long relationships

          game, when it works, its about becoming alpha, killing the wrong traits, learning new ones, etc, like in any self improvement model, but this being MALE oriented

          when you are “the man” you dont have to run anything

          betas constantly “running game” so they can trick the girl one day more… these guys have it hard

        • If you define “game” as just being the best man you can possibly can, trying to improve yourself every day, and following your passions and convictions, then, sure, “game” works. White and Nerdy, what do you think? Do you define game that way or some other way? I don’t get all bent out of shape about this stuff – and I hope others don’t either – but this discussion is entertaining and interesting.

        • If you define “game” as just being the best man you can possibly can, trying to improve yourself every day, and following your passions and convictions, then, sure, “game” works. White and Nerdy, what do you think? Do you define game that way or some other way?

          What does this have to do with getting women? That’s how game is usually defined. Being the best man you can doesn’t get you women. I know this very well.

        • depends on whats your definition on “man”

          being the best “man” is different to being the best “person”, and different to being the best “you” you can

        • “What does this have to do with getting women? That’s how game is usually defined. Being the best man you can doesn’t get you women. I know this very well.”

          No, it may not for some people. Yet for many guys it probably at least increases the chances of attracting women whom they also find attractive. That’s what it has to do with “getting women”, to answer your question – in my opinion anyway. Besides, who knows what the future will bring? If you are trying to be the best person that you can and still have not had success yet, perhaps you will in the future.

        • Yet for many guys it probably at least increases the chances of attracting women whom they also find attractive.

          I have seen plenty of counterexamples. I know guys who used to have no trouble getting women when they were broke, unable to pay their rent or hold a job. Then they cleaned up their lives, became the best men they could be, earn $100K or more, yet women want nothing to do with them now.

          And what kind of success can I really have in the future? I’m a 33 year old virgin. Even if I was “successful” tommorrow I would still have been a virgin at 33.

        • “Then they cleaned up their lives, became the best men they could be, earn $100K or more, yet women want nothing to do with them now.”

          yeah I´ve seen plenty of rich and high status guys who do bad with women

          your friends, they probably became the best “beta” they could be, since thats the “best man” hollywood and media run on the population, and its very misleading

          maybe when they were losers they at least had a rebel edge to them or some authenticity

          being the best man you can be is pretty much the opposite of being the best beta you can be. it has nothing to do, really, with how much money you earn, at least directly

          but indirectly, if you are “the man” chances are you make money

        • the alpha version of you

          you, without fear, with your intentions and talents clear, articulated and realized, with full knowing of self, hungry, aggressive, assertive, competitive, strong, hard, real, present, non taking shit from anybody, getting what you want, unhurt, fully awake, good negotiator – setting win/lose deals when needed and win/win when possible – successful, I could go on

          so, strong male, alpha, charismatic, full range of emotions, full range of mundane experience, street smarts, swagger, etc. the opposite of a loser, the opposite of a fail

          I could go on – you get the idea

        • “I have seen plenty of counterexamples. I know guys who used to have no trouble getting women when they were broke, unable to pay their rent or hold a job. Then they cleaned up their lives, became the best men they could be, earn $100K or more, yet women want nothing to do with them now.”

          I don’t doubt that you do have counter-examples. But you could just as easily end up being one of the examples as you could one of those counter-examples. Things could get better for you in the future, starting tomorrow even. Who knows. Examining even the possibility of that is just as easy as thinking everything will always suck!

          “And what kind of success can I really have in the future? I’m a 33 year old virgin. Even if I was “successful” tomorrow I would still have been a virgin at 33.”

          True, but once things started getting better you might not mind so much about what went on in the past. Hey, according to your own blog you have been successful at getting your own business started. So you have something at least to be positive about. Potentially that could translate into other good things in other areas of life. I’ve seen that happen to guys before. It could to you too, who knows. It’s worth thinking about at least.

        • I don’t doubt that you do have counter-examples. But you could just as easily end up being one of the examples as you could one of those counter-examples. Things could get better for you in the future, starting tomorrow even. Who knows. Examining even the possibility of that is just as easy as thinking everything will always suck!

          Given my lack of sexual/romantic/dating history, do you really think I’m just going to magically become even minimally successful with women one day? If nothing has changed by now, what is going to change later? Unlike with everything else in my life, I’m in an impossible position when it comes to women. Even if I managed to meet a woman who didn’t totally despise me and is not related to me (something I have never been able to find), I would fail because I have no room for error. I am bound to make lots of mistakes since I have no idea what to do with a woman whatsoever at any stage. Normally, most people have a place where they can make these mistakes, their teens and (to a lesser extent) their 20s. I don’t have that. Any woman will expect me to have the knowledge of at least a minimally experienced 33 year old male and I don’t have that. There is “not minding what went on in the past”. I know you will tell me to just “think positive” but these are real problems. Or they would be real problems if women didn’t despise me so much.

          True, but once things started getting better you might not mind so much about what went on in the past. Hey, according to your own blog you have been successful at getting your own business started. So you have something at least to be positive about. Potentially that could translate into other good things in other areas of life. I’ve seen that happen to guys before. It could to you too, who knows. It’s worth thinking about at least.

          I have a billion things to be positive about but none of them help me get a woman.

        • totally, they make shit out, but I dont think they know about it. they feel attracted and they notice whatever small details and get fixated to it. then the man if for whatever reason gets weaker, so does the attraction, and now the same detail they got fixated with becomes annoying

          girls are not rational creatures by any means, they kind of know it, and they dont care, there are variances, whatever

          I remember an experimend some guys did about hypnotizing people and having them open an umbrella when someone else said a key word. when asked why they opened the umbrellas, the subject always had a reasonable way to justify their actions

          so they were opening the umbrellas because of the key word, but they had a rationalization about it, like, they felt curious if the umbrella worked, wanted to see the print, they felt it was going to rain, whatever. rationalization hamster

          I believe men do it to but being, ehem, more rational, we are actually more stupid since we convince ourselves better that our acts and decisions are not purely animal-stupid and senseless

          look at WN. theres no way everything he is going through is just happening. the dude is being triggered like a puppet, yet he has a story to explain it

          same could be said about you and me

          but yeah, we can pinpoint the absurd in women rationalizations better, because they dont make any fucking sense from a logical point of view.

          and they dont even care if it makes sense or not

      • This “best man” crap is something invented by the female psyche as a diversionary tactic… I love seeing game guys falling for it.

        The biggest secret is this “women are much shallower than us guys, but they go out of their way to hide it well”.

        Women are basically attracted to certain caveman traits. Basal, shallow attributes that are equivalent to our tits&ass attraction. Let’s call these things “IT”.

        If a guy approaches a woman in the supermarket and asks her about the fruit she’s holding in her hand, if he has IT, she will giggle and start flirting with him, if he doesn’t have IT… she’ll brush him off and complain.

        If you ask her why she brushed off that guy, she will say something like “ewwww, he was some retarded creep who had the intelligence of a snail… EWWWWW, and the way he was dressed!! ewwww, and he said the dumbest thing ever, omg”.

        But get this? The guy with IT could have come up with the EXACT same approach/tonality/angle/clothes/line/conversation, and she’d find him cute and charming and a stimulating conversationalist.

        You see, this is how women hide their superficial shallowness. They project rationalizations above it.

        Truth is…

        – A guy with IT, can be a poor, immoral, lying POS with no hobbies, no life outside of chicks and having read no book ever – and he’ll be swimming in pussy.
        – A guy without IT, can be well off, good moral guy with great life, versed in hobbies, travel and accomplishments and friends (his best self), and couldn’t get laid to save his life.

        Now, in real world, very few people have no “IT” at all. The guy I’m giving you above is a theoretical construct for the sake of illustration. But the point is this…

        IT gives you 95% of the results with women, and everything else is just 5%… If you have no IT, then working on your best self is really a moot point. Being your best self is more like cream on top then the core.

        • That analysis seems to negative and fatalistic to me. I think the charisma that attracts certain women comes from the confidence one gets from working to be one’s best. It ain’t easy out there but finding the right female partner in life is possible – yeah, even if you have high standards in women and insist on an attractive woman. It can be done. I know others have had negative experiences and I’m not denying them their own perspectives…but the above is my own.

        • “This best man crap is something invented by the female psyche as a diversionary tactic…”

          its not, you were wired to come here and compete. go watch animal planet

          you are right about the shallowness of women, but they dont try to hide it, they make it more pronounced with makeup etc

        • That analysis seems to negative and fatalistic to me. I think the charisma that attracts certain women comes from the confidence one gets from working to be one’s best.

          I think you misread what I was saying.

          1) I didn’t say you’re either born with IT or not 😀 You can get IT. I’m saying that “IT” doesn’t correlate all that well with the stuff that women say makes a man attractive “good clothes, success, ambitions, manners, morals, cool lifestyle etc” Make sense?

          2) I wasn’t saying there is ZERO correlation between being a better person and getting IT. If you become your best self, all else-equal, your “IT” will increase. My point is that the correlation is smaller than women/society would have you believe. Make sense?

        • you are right about the shallowness of women, but they dont try to hide it, they make it more pronounced with makeup etc

          I guess I didn’t communicate my point really well. When was the last time you’ve seen a woman reject a guy and then say “I brushed off this guy because he wasn’t high-status enough for me and being seen talking to him would reduce my position in the pecking order” or “he wasn’t aggressive/alpha for me, so this is why I rejected him”.

          They invent rationalizations like “He said the dumbest stuff, and OMG he was wearing like khaki jeans with like omg some dorky hat, ewwww…”

          In fact, if you ask women how to attract more women, they will list about 100 things that en-sum only contribute maybe 5% to your success with them.

          The funny part is women believe their own lies. In experiments they had the same guy represented to two groups of women. Exactly the same guy in both, except in one group he had one attribute tweaked to be higher-status or more bad-boyish.

          Guess what? Women much preffered the second representation, but when asked why, what did they come up with? Did they say “because he was a jerk in the second example”? Of course not. They attributed all sorts of positive attributes to him like “Oh he’s obviously well travelled, and he looks like he’s well-read and bla bla bla, I liked how clean his shoes were etc.. etc..” – Even though everything else was EQUAL in both groups.

          Make sense? It seems to be an evolutionary trick evolved by women to milsead men and get them to develop “good man traits”. They pick men for one reason, but then say and believe they picked them for another.

        • 2) I wasn’t saying there is ZERO correlation between being a better person and getting IT. If you become your best self, all else-equal, your “IT” will increase. My point is that the correlation is smaller than women/society would have you believe. Make sense?

          To clarify my view further… I think that society and women want to mislead us into thinking that

          your best self = IT

          The truth? There is some-overlap, but not much. You can have your IT topped out and be a really undeveloped person… You can also be your best self and still have a pretty weak IT.

          Make sense? The overlap is tiny, maybe 10%… This idea that you become your best-self and women automatically flock to you is just a diversionary tactic by society. Truth is IT and the quality of your self are separated and don’t correlate all that much.

        • It makes sense and you are right, but the key point is, when a guy doesnt attract a woman, she doesnt see him as a man

          when a man attracts a woman, she will always want him to be “nice” to her

          so if you ask a woman what she wants in a man, she will always list the nice attributes, like she will describe what we as men know what a beta is

          if you find a beta that matches the description, she will say no no no. simply put, beta doesnt count as a man

          get a raw alpha that makes her tingle, get a high status raw brute force real man dude that actually makes her wet, and THEN add some nice and softer attributes. thats what she wants

          if you go trying to listen and figure a women based solely on what they say, you get nowhere

          you have to look at both what they act, respond to, and say

          alphas and strong dudes are men. betas and lower arent men. and they want their men to be strong, real, hard, alpha, etc, then nice

          Im so repeating myself here

          whatever a girl says she wants, add alpha to it

          its not a “genuine and caring guy” but a genuine and caring alpha

        • its not a “genuine and caring guy” but a genuine and caring alpha

          More like “an alpha guy, and genuine and caring is an optional bonus”.

          But see, you’re missing something about the distinction I’m making. I’m not saying that women simply “leave out the alpha part”.

          They actually MAKE SHIT UP to cover the alpha part. If she goes with an alpha guy, she will actually INVENT attributes to justify her attraction. She’ll say “I like him coz he’s well-read”.

          Its not that she likes guys who are “alpha AND well read”… Truth is, being well-read isn’t a factor AT ALL for her.

          Make sense?

          This is obviously not true always, and some traits do change her attraction to him… But the truth is most are made up, things invented to mask the attraction-to-alpha.

        • “I think you misread what I was saying.”

          I may have. I’m not infallible, that’s for certain! There are a lot of ideas on here to consider.

          “2) I wasn’t saying there is ZERO correlation between being a better person and getting IT. If you become your best self, all else-equal, your “IT” will increase. My point is that the correlation is smaller than women/society would have you believe. Make sense?”

          Yeah, I see what you are getting at….my perspective may just differ from yours in the *degree* to which the correlation is smaller. As I said in another comment, while I “do OK” I’m not a super-casanova. It may be that I’ve just been lucky to be around good women who are forthright about what they wanted and my experiences aren’t representative and that what you’re describing is closer to the representative reality. These women (except one) didn’t use the term “alpha” but were all clear that they wanted what gamers, et. al. call alpha traits. They admitted what they wanted and we enjoyed our time together. With some I broke it off, with others they broke it off – in most cases on good terms and in some cases they came back around later and we reunited a little. I still believe one day it will all work out and in the meantime try to live the best life I can and enjoy the company of the woman who are in my life. There *are* some great women out there, believe it or not – even some who don’t take your money, don’t test you all the time and are still cute and trim. Heck, maybe White and Nerdy will eventually run across some great girl; you never know. Again, my best to everyone and good luck to all!

    • You aren’t the first hare-brained idiot to try to smear this blog’s author as autistic and you probably won’t be the last.

      • well you have anything, what do you have? nobody becomes omega by choice. yet, it sounds you decided to stay there, it became part of your identity – if so you might be just a sane person who decided freely to be omega?

        thing is as long as its not a choice, but a problem, there are solutions – stuff that can be done about

        • I didn’t decide to be “omega”. Calling myself “omega” is like a black person using the term nigger on themselves.

          The only decision I have made is to deal with reality as it is. That means recognizing game does not exist and recognizing women have the freedom to not associate with me. The problem is (and this is the cause of all the problems I have had on this blog with gamers and other manginas) is that they won’t respect my freedom to be left alone. I have had women demand I be thrown in prison because I’m “creepy” or a “Sodini” (terms when used on me is no different than an anti-semetic slur used on a Jew). It’s not about my choice when my freedom is in danger.

        • you cant have, at the same time, a public blog where you attack some random culture, and the freedom to be left alone

          you can either have a blog and moan your opinion and understand people will find / read / comment you / argue, or you can shut down the blog and be left alone

          you dont have the right to stand for an opinion and have it unquestioned, Im pretty sure you understand that

          then, saying game doesnt exist is the same as saying politics dont exist, I can see the anti-religion attempt, but other than that, what do you mean, really?

        • “you cant have, at the same time, a public blog where you attack some random culture, and the freedom to be left alone”

          He most certainly can Yohami. That’s what free speech and free expression in our society are about. This is the stuff of any basic civics or government class in the U.S. White and Nerdy can express his ideas and if others don’t like them, they can express *their* ideas to the contrary on their own blogs. If someone disagrees with White and Nerdy’s free expression their remedy is their own expression – NOT suggesting that he be thrown in prison, etc. A careful reader of White and Nerdy’s blog will notice that he does *not* threaten violence on anyone. He just said he recognizes the rights of women to be left alone but he wants to be left alone too. Publishing one’s ideas does not constitute abdication of one’s basic rights. Again, people that don’t like this blog, or any blog, or any writing in any form don’t have to read it. Heck, if White and Nerdy knew more fully what *I* thought about women he’d probably call me a liberal, a mangina, or whatever. But so what if he did? It’s just words. “Sticks and stones….” as they saying goes. And good heavens, since all of this is anonymous (or pseudonymous, to be more precise) it’s not like there’s any real harm done. If I don’t like what he says I don’t have to read it. People need to recognize that. I just find it odd that people can’t tolerate this particular guy disagreeing with them. I mean, what’s the big deal? Read something you *do* agree with instead.

        • how the hell does one determine whether or not its that their an omega?

    • Yes,

      Aspergers is a disease, whose terminal prognosis for 99.9% of afflicted men, is involuntary celibacy for life. The 0.1% who are not involuntary celibate became rich and famous for discovering something and then magically women started to become attracted to them. I dont know why they dont just call it NOASSpergers. LOL

  5. “thrown in prison” wtf are you talking about?

    I understand a”desire of being left alone”, as not wanting contrary opinions to be post on his comments, or not wanting chit chat about him, etc

    • Regarding the “thrown in prison” comment – see White and Nerdy’s comment of March 27, 2011 at 8:11 pm, right above your own. The point is that if he (or anyone) expresses their opinion and doesn’t threaten anyone, there is no call for someone like the commenter White and Nerdy references to advocate he be imprisoned.

      • he says some women want him in jail

        not that his readers / commenters want him in jail because of his opinions. in any case he is the one bringing up the prison stuff. not me, so I stand by what I said

        if you decide to open a blog and make your opinion public, you cant at the same time be left alone. having a blog is about having a readership, some will love you, some hate you, so be it

        • I wonder perhaps if you misunderstand yohami; the person who said he should be thrown in jail for his ideas *was* in fact one of his readers and commenters; that person left a comment on this blog, which White and Nerdy referenced. I understand you are not that person and that’s not what you’re advocating. The point is that the people among his readers that do advocate that are saying something that’s against the basics of our system in the U.S. And actually one could have a blog and still be left alone in the sense that you mean; one can set up blogs that don’t allow comments. Of course, White and Nerdy does allow comments, so that’s his choice. I suppose if he doesn’t like the comments he could moderate them or eliminate them altogether. The he would be left alone in the sense that you mean. Again, his choice.

        • Women have come on to this blog and said that I should be thrown in prison. I gave you one such example. Or there are women and manginas who suggest I’m mentally ill (implying I should be put in a mental institution). Or the women and manginas who say that I will go Sodini. All of this is against the principles of freedom and what our system of government here in the US and elsewhere in the Western World is based on. They want gulags for men who they deem “not attractive enough”.

          That being said (seperate from the women and manginas who want to put me in a prison or mental instituion), the other thing that has surprised me are gamers who think that I’m worth spending time on. I have gotten attacked by gamers I have never heard of or interacted with. Do they have free speech? Yes. But I’m still surprised they think I’m worth the time and energy if I’m so wrong. If they were really so successful with game they would be too busy with women to concern themselves with attacking me. This isn’t an issue of freedom. It’s just proof gamers are full of crap.

        • well those women are stupid, which isnt illegal – wish it was

          having gamers and other people interact with you at your blog, being attack you or back you does nothing to prove your point of view

          its only proof that people has spare time and that people like to interact with each other and stand for an argument

          and that blogging works

        • Technically, it’s not illegal, but it shows they are a threat to me if they got enough political power and the political power of women is still on the rise.

          Gamers shouldn’t have enough spare time to pick fights with a nobody with a mostly unknown blog like me.

        • “Gamers shouldn’t have enough spare time to pick fights with a nobody with a mostly unknown blog like me.”

          True, but there’s even more to consider – not only should they not have time to do so, they shouldn’t have inclination to do so. Why would they be so negative? Why would they care? As several, including myself, have observed on here before, people with fulfilling social lives generally are not inclined to get involved in online flame wars. I have my friends and date from time to time, sometimes meeting a girl who I want to spend my time with….I read this blog and the comments because it’s interesting at times. Once again, not everyone is going to agree with everyone else. That’s OK. What I don’t get are the people who don’t get that! Good luck to all you guys – I know some on here have had a rough time in life. So make your points, have your say, and I do hope things go well for everyone. I’m not denying anyone their right to have their say over bad things that have happened to them, but people really should be more positive.

  6. @Someone

    yeah, but male & female relationships are not about persons, but about male and female dynamics, which are pretty fucking old, and you can watch at

    in simpler words, when it comes down to mating, women dont give a shit if you are a fine interesting person, they can only appreciate that person and all your wholesome qualities AFTER they desire you as a man

    if you fully develop into your gender you become a “natural”

    game is what guys that are not that developed for whatever reason, attempt, to cover their holes and sell themselves better

    and some drop “game” and learn to fix these holes for good, and become natural

    with a thing like “game doesnt exist” I figure, geez, he is saying you can cover your holes enough, you cant make a cat pass for a rabbit, you can make up an omega so he passes for an alpha and gets laid yada yada, so yeah. it depends on how low you are in the ladder

    Im against putting makeup in a pig, and I dislike PUA, but girls do fall for the shit, specially the whores that are doing their own PUA thing by wearing makeup fake tits and getting drunk and chasing dick, so “fake game” works best in fake girls. do you need fake to attract fake? yes. so game exists there

    how about un-faking the whole thing and fixing yourself for good? that exists too

    game as a technique remedy golden pill to, just by changing a guy´s lexicon, make him pass for an alpha and score chicks 10 times more attractive? no way

    if you want a sixpack you have to do diet and train for a long time

    but if you want to appear thinner, a corset will work

    and Im 100% about doing the real thing

    • *male and female dynamics you can watch at the animal kindgom, animal planet, etc. always the same routine. males play, train, compete, kill each other, females powerplay for resources, fuck, breed, restart

      • Well, my way of looking at it works for me, so to each their own….there’s room enough in the world for multiple opinions, so have at it….

  7. I like your blog and I am with you 95% of the time but Game is not complete crap.

    First of all, I don’t think any man should be judged by how much or how little pussy he gets. To do so is pathetic, and the fact that so-called MRAs do it is doubly pathetic.

    With that said, Game is not complete bullshit. No doubt there are plenty of con artists and keyboard tough guys and Kool-Aide gulpers in the field.

    But there is some truth to it, and it can help some guys improve their attractiveness. By the way, so can learning how to sing really good, or getting into great shape, or dozens of other pursuits. Which men would probably be better off pursuing rather than “Game” anyway.

    • “””With that said, Game is not complete bullshit. No doubt there are plenty of con artists and keyboard tough guys and Kool-Aide gulpers in the field. “””

      Ever seen those exercise equipment pieces on TV-Shopping channels? That’s kind of like what game is.

      Game is “not complete bullshit” in the way that crap on tv is “not complete bullshit”.

      When they show this equipment they have a roided-up-bodybuilder who has starved and dehydrated himself for 2 days before the shoot (in addition to 10 years of roids and weights)… And then they show him holding this plasticky gimmick thing and going “the turbo ultra matathron will help you shape up!!!”, as they have this bodybuilder swinging it back and forth or whatever.

      So the exaggeration is only a thousand-fold? If you get that gimmick and you exercise with it, you’ll maybe build like 1 pound of muscle tops, and assuming you don’t just over-eat because of it, maybe lose 2-3 pounds of fat…

      So “not complete bullshit”, but quite far from what they lead you to believe it can give you.

  8. “I have a billion things to be positive about but none of them help me get a woman.”

    self fulfilling prophesy. I suspect you are finding relief and comfort in that poison

    you´d be surprised about the variety of women and margin for error out there

    • self fulfilling prophesy.

      That’s just annoying self-help drivel… Sure, beliefs do create perception and action to some extent, but they’re not that magical.

      • if someone says “nothing is going to help me, Im gonna do badly” chances are he´s are to auto sabotage, like an inverse placebo, and do badly indeed. nothing magical about that

        go to a tennis match with a “it doesnt matter if I try, Im gonna lose anyway” and chances are you lose, even if the other player didnt know how to play, but wanted to win

        go to the match trying to win, face a problem wanting to get it fixed, and you might

        in WN case, Im pretty sure he could do something about his situation

        nothing magical about it

  9. More self help drivel.

    What if objectively your odds of getting something are between 0.05% and 0.09% with the latter coming out of unshakeable belief you can get it?

    Truth is I can believe I’ll be a billionaire within a year, and yes this belief might actually double my odds. From 0.0001% to 0.0002%. And your point would be?

    Now note I’m not saying these percentages apply to an, just making a point about that self fulfilling prophecy crap.

    I definitely do believe wn is not objective. His odds are prolly 10x what he thinks. But does it matter? He still would find the odds insulting and the game unfair. This self help drivel is just insulting. If I don’t like the odds, a motivational pep talk will just annoy me, nothing more.

  10. No you misread that. Read comment again.

    I’m saying that even if a positive outlook DOUBLES your chances, it doesn’t matter if your odds were super small to begin with.

    Say you can only get only 1 in 10,000 chicks. If you become more positive, you can DOUBLE your chances. Big whoop, that now means you can get 1 in 5000? Not much more comforting.

    • Don’t forget that 2 times 0 is still zero which applies to me since I couldn’t get any women when I was positive. The results are the same regardless of my attitude.

      • Dude, all I can say is that it sounds like things are rough for you and I do hope they get better. I saw your comments above about one of my earlier ones – I know that just preaching “positive thinking” won’t cure everything. Still, things might get better for you and I for one hope they do for you and everyone on here. Your blog is interesting to read and I encourage you (and everyone) to keep on making good use of their rights of self-expression. As I said, I don’t agree with everything you say but you raise some interesting points and I am always glad to examine ideas, whether I ultimately agree with them or not. I think one of the best points you raised is about how self-proclaimed “gamer” studs who spend lots of time flaming each other on the internet probably are fakes – a guy who really enjoys his time (whether in or out of bed) with his female companions usually doesn’t have the time or inclination to blab on about how lame other guys are. Anytime I read a blog and see a person make a good point about something I gain from it, so you go dude. Again, sorry things are rough for you and I do hope they get better. Good luck to you!

    • if you are crippled, thinking positive about walking wont help
      if you are deform, thinking positive about being good looking wont either
      if you are highly unnatractive, thinking positively wont get you girls

      so I guess thats what you saying, and if so, you are missing the point, which is

      mind frame leads to action, action leads to experience, experience creates skill, skill produces more of the same, which affects mindframe again

      so its not “the power of positivism and negativism on its own” but its key in the whole cicle

      if you just think positively and remain the same negative crap, you are delusional. like those crappy but very self assured american idol singers. your delusion might trick somebody, until you start to sign. then you can only trick the deaf ones.

      thats the only case where your “doubling chances” can be applied. when the mind frame is the only thing that changes, and I dont think its a double thing either

      the whole cycle, again:

      mind -> action -> experience -> skills -> repetition ->mind

      if you dont think you have a chance, that leads to taking no action, or worse, to take negative action, which will create a negative experience, which will make you develop the skill for looking for such experience, so you will be able to repeat it, which will nurture your mind and confirm such reality as “the reality”

      back to the tennis example, if you think you “can win” that will lead you to take action, classes, which will produce experience, which leads to skill, and with repetition, after winning some, you will experience that winning is possible, which will make you some extra actions and put the whole cycle one level up

      so its not about going “I can win” and doing nothing. its about projecting where you feel like going, and then walking

      if you feel like going down, thats where you are headed. no couch no trainer no gym can make you win, if you feel like losing

      so thats the point

      WN is 33 years old. chances are he´s been repeating the same loser script since he was 20 or younger. what are the chances he will be repeating this same cycle when he is 60?

      theres plenty of time and a wide margin for action, experimentation, skill developing, growing, fixing issues, etc.

      but to walk that road you need to want to walk it.

      wanting to lose and negative affirmations like “theres no hope nothing is gonna work im a loser nothings gonna fix me” yada yada, are pure poison

      • @yohami

        Dude, you’re just proving my point. My point was “its not as simple as just thinking positive”.

        So thinking more positive leads to action. And then you do action, and all else being equal what? You face the same results as before…

        This time instead of 99% of women treating you like crap, this time 98% treat you like crap. Now what? Most likely it leads to quitting again.

        If not, now you need to test 3423 things and remove 234213 blocks that make women treat you badly.

        Then for each one you remove, you find out 2 more blocks etc… etc…

        So what you’re basically saying is “You can never become a billionaire, unless you make your first dollar, so go out and make your first dollar and then you’ll eventually be a billionaire”. – > this is how it comes across to WN. This is why this “just think positive crap” is just freaking insulting in its oversimplification. When you dig into it, you find out its one of 234234214 things you need to do.

        Now, I’m NOT saying WN can’t change. In fact, I think he’s exaggerating most of the stuff – I’ve been there. The problem is, self-helpey mumbo-jumbo won’t help.

        Now again, I’ve been there. When you’re where WN is, 1) there are like a thousand micro-things you’re doing subconsciously to trigger certain reactions in women 2) you misperceive everything that happens in the worst light, you see only the worst reactions and interpret them in the worst way.

        So I’m not saying WN’s perceptions are real. What I’m saying is your oversimplification is fucking annoying and only serves to give WN “proof” that shit ain’t change-able.

        When you have thousands of blocks and issues, just being told a love-dovey motivational generalization just drives you away, it doesn’t help. IT ANNOYS YOU.

  11. “Don’t forget that 2 times 0 is still zero which applies to me since I couldn’t get any women when I was positive. The results are the same regardless of my attitude.”

    if you stand still, your velocity is 0
    double that speed? still zero
    multiply it for the speed of ten thousands of gods and positive shit? still zero

    if you break the standing and do one step, now you´r velocity is one, two, three, run baby

    how many times is 1 bigger than zero? from the exponential point of view, its infinite

    you dont need to double, you just need to walk

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  13. Alek, Im just stating the fact that being negative produces negative results, and positive are more likely to produce positive when jointed with action

    if you (figuratively, not you in particular) have a thousand blocks, then you need to work on them all until you are free and articulate. being negative about these blocks only reinforces them

    I had so many blocks, and I still have some. I remember, when I was back then, if someone said “hey dude things will work out be positive” I would have freaked out. even today when Im losing my hair working on my music without making it yet, “being positive” on its own means nothing. but thanks to being positive I KEEP PUSHING AND GOING FORWARD, getting that extra dollar, doubling my chances, opening doors, gathering skills, getting there

    so Im not saying “things are going to be ok”. if you do nothing, they arent. im saying there are stuff YOU CAN DO

    and that to do them you have to be open to change. being closed and negative just creates more crap. you have to look at your positive chances and go grab them. these exist.

    yeah, Im aware that ANY sort of positive speech can come as insulting, am I insulting by saying everything is not lost? fuck it.

    the solution is always the same: turn things around. find your inner strength, find whats blocking you, and hussle like a beast to fight and learn and grow and become and destroy these blocks and pass through. like you were about to die. because you are.

    • find whats blocking you

      I know what’s blocking me: Women. I didn’t start out with a negative attitude. I have been at this pretty much for 20 years. The problem is what women think of me. I can’t change that. I have done a lot to try and fix this and NOTHING WORKED. I shouldn’t have bothered. Everything I did was a complete and total waste of time because women despise me.

      • yohami, I like your thoughts on this matter, they make a lot of sense. Personally I don’t see what’s wrong with yohami’s advice to W & N. He is saying if you think positively, you are more likely to succeed in your goals. For example, if W & N thinks positively all the time, is he going to be banging hot 10 models everyday?

        Probably not, but if he’s consistently positive and making changes to his behaviour would he eventually bang a girl that is probably a 5 once in a blue moon? I say that’s quite possible and maybe he’d get lucky enough to get an okay looking girlfriend, but to expect him to get a hot model girlfriend is probably not going to happen.

        Positive thinking leads to improvement in your life, not miracles. If you think positively enough, if you’re poor, maybe you can bring yourself up to the level of middle class with enough effort, but would you become very wealthy? That’s unlikely, the same idea applies to getting women. Improvements happen incrementally and you can only set your goals higher once you make a step. Thinking negatively in the other hand only leads to things remaining the same or becoming worse.

  14. so the key word is not “be positive” but “HOW”. how do I get there

    thing is when you are negative, you dont have a “there” to aim for, much less can see the how

  15. so the key word is not “be positive” but “HOW”. how do I get there

    The whole point is you keep projecting your own freaking goals on him. What if he doesn’t think its worth the effort?

    Who says everyone has to get laid? Who says everyone has to follow the same path. Maybe WN’s path is to give up on women for a few years, become rich, and then have women pursuing him, and him realizing he can get women THEN.

    How about that? How do you know that’s not his destiny? Why do you try to push your goals onto him?

    • Maybe WN’s path is to give up on women for a few years, become rich, and then have women pursuing him, and him realizing he can get women THEN.

      No matter how rich I get, my chances of having anything to do with women decline as I get older assuming my chances aren’t already zero. Even if I’m a billionaire three years from now, I will be a 36 year old virgin. What kind of women would be pursuing me then even if I was a billionaire? A grandmother like in The 40 Year Old Virgin movie. I can’t think of anything more depressing than losing your virginity to a grandmother.

        • billions dont attract women, just hookers

          All attractive women are “hookers” in the basal definition of the word. They exchange sex for some sort of value given on your side.

          No attractive woman wants to have sex with you, just to have sex with you. We, men, are attracted to women for who they are. Women are attracted to men for what they can get out of a man.

          This idea that “if you’re rich you’ll attract only hookers” is pretty idiotic. If you’re not rich, you’ll only attract women who can’t get a billionaire. That’s how it works.

        • eh, no to all of that

          Well well thought out response. Thank you 😀

          Here’s a simple thought experiment. Name 10 rich/famous guys with ugly/fat wives… I’m waiting… waiting… waiting… waiting… waiting.

          @WN = Name 10 rich/famous virgin men…. waiting…. waiting… waiting… waiting.

          Studies consistently show that status/wealth are most closely correlated with sexual success for men. Exceptions prove the rule, not disprove it.

          You can show me a poor guy who gets laid with hot women? I can immediately demonstrate that he probably spends 16 hours a day chasing that pussy (i.e. hitting on 200 women to get one)… or, they’re usually ugly.

        • @WN = Name 10 rich/famous virgin men…. waiting…. waiting… waiting… waiting.

          As soon as you included famous you’re talking about something different. For rich men that aren’t famous, they aren’t going to tell me if they were virgins.

          Exceptions prove the rule, not disprove it.

          The rule doesn’t help me if I’m the exception.

          And what is the threshold for being rich enough for it to make a difference with women? I wouldn’t be surprised that I have already surpassed that dollar amount.

        • Im saying no to your previous post, you are affirming all attractive women are whores by definition / no woman wants sex unless they get something else out of you / men are attracted to women for who they are / if you are not rich you only attract poor girls, yada yada.

          every line is misguided

        • Yo yo, yohami, I was just browsing my favorite blog, that of the infamous Satoshi Kanazawa (he’s the professor who came up with a lot of the evo psych that gamers and puas are ripping off – most alpha/beta stuff is from him)

          Wouldntcha know, he has a discussion called “are all women prostitutes”
          http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201103/are-all-women-essentially-prostitutes

          The interesting part is where he mentions that the more intelligent a person is, the more likely he is to have used a prostitute… hmmmm.

        • women are attracted by high status men, gamespher calls it hypergamy, I call it duh, calling it prostitution is misleading

          if you think just by having money you will have quality women, well, no

          you might still have hookers, but you dont need the millions for that

      • calling it prostitution is misleading

        I didn’t say “prostitution”, I said “hookers”… Basically hookers are women who give sex in exchange for something else.

        Prove me wrong. Try to get laid for “free”, without expending any effort, time, attention or money on a woman.

        Go ahead, go out today and GET SEX FOR FREE. PROVE ME WRONG. The truth, you can’t get sex for free. There is no such thing as free sex. It doesn’t exist. And if free sex doesn’t exist for men, it means that all women are hookers.

        • “without expending any effort, time, attention”

          standing still, quick, and thinking of something else. brilliant sex.

        • Here’s the point. Women CAN get free sex. Women can just walk up to men ask for sex, and get it. SEX for sex sake.

          You try that and let me know what happens, mmmkay?

        • “Prove me wrong. Try to get laid for “free”, without expending any effort, time, attention or money on a woman.”

          With the right girl though (and, yes, I mean the right good-looking, trim, non-overweight girl) one doesn’t have to expend effort, time or money…when two people are mutually attracted and otherwise compatible, they can sometimes just wind up together. Attractive girls have sex drives too….sometimes they just meet a guy they like, and they get together just because each person likes the other’s company and each person is physically attracted to the other. That’s what some people mean by “chemistry”. I’ve met some great girls in my time and we wound up together without my spending money on them. As for spending time…the time I spent with them was time doing fun things I would have done anyway (going out with friends, enjoying music, museums, concerts, etc.) As for spending attention, my attention wasn’t a commodity I would have otherwise hoarded but decided instead to “spend” on them for the purpose of trying to get them to have sex with me….rather, because I really liked them, it was fun to be with them anyway. We were also attracted to each other and stuff just feel into place. And, no, I’m not talking about girls who were overweight and unattractive. Stuff just worked. I’m not financially wealthy but try to enjoy my life, keep focused on my goals, and believe that there are great girls out there. I just didn’t (and still don’t) see sex as a commodity that I have to purchase through expenditure of resources. Rather I see it as a great part of human existence to enjoy with the many beautiful, smart sexy women that *are* out there. So is this really just a matter of perspective? I’m curious to know more how your perspective differs. AlekNovy, have you not *ever* known any attractive women who got together with a guy mostly because she just, well, *liked* him and thought him hot and not because of time, money, or resources he spent?

        • “Prove me wrong. Try to get laid for “free”, without expending any effort, time, attention or money on a woman.”

          With the right girl though (and, yes, I mean the right good-looking, trim, non-overweight girl) one doesn’t have to expend effort, time or money…when two people are mutually attracted and otherwise compatible, they can sometimes just wind up together.

          But dude, you can’t MAKE it happen. It can happen with INDIVIDUAL girls at INDIVIDUAL times. But the point is you can’t REACH that individual girl that you have “individual free sex” with, without investing a bunch of effort, time and money.

          You have to meet and befriend 12 girls and invest time and energy into the hope that potentially something comes out “by itself” with them. You don’t have the ability to RECREATE IT on demand when you want.

          Getting laid in the way you propose is the same way that “lottary” is free money. In that sense its true. But it doesn’t disprove my point that “there is no free money in the world, you have to WORK to get paid” -> the lottary is an exception that proves that rule.

        • I’m curious to know more how your perspective differs. AlekNovy, have you not *ever* known any attractive women who got together with a guy mostly because she just, well, *liked* him and thought him hot and not because of time, money, or resources he spent?

          She can claim that, but you have NO WAY to prove she didn’t do it because of what she gained from him (status, recognition, improved standing in the social group etc).

          In one experiment they had the same guy shown to two groups of women. He was exactly the same in both groups, except he had one trait changed in the second group… it was a change to make him appear higher-status and wealthier.

          He was chosen a lot more in the second group, and when girls were asked why (anonymously) -> they said crap like “i liked his smile” or “he wore cute shoes, the kind I like”. In other words, they backwards rationalized crap – no women came up with this shit in the group where he was lower-status.

          The only true free sex is where a woman CAN gain nothing from it… And women simply don’t have that sex very often. A woman can walk up to a man, ask for sex, and HE will have sex with her without knowing ANYTHING about her. The only thing he knows is he’ll get sex, that’s it.

          This experiment has been repeated multiple times, and NO WOMAN EVER wants to have sex with a guy she doesn’t know anything about (who hasn’t demonstrated VALUE to her). She doesn’t KNOW what she gets out of it beside the sex.

          Now, feminists come in and say crap like “oh well, that’s because women fear for their safety and that’s why they won’t have sex with a guy they don’t know enough about”—> BULLSHIAAAT => women bang freaking convicted killers, they will bang the known-to-be-violent-badboy who happens to have status in the group group… This “fear” would explain if women’s rates were slighly or even drastically lower, but women’s rates are ZERO! A PERFECT ABSOLUTE ZERO.

          Why is it that 999 out of 1000 men will say yes to free sex, and 0.00000000000000000 women will say yes? Safety would explain severity difference, but not a YES/NO difference. Among those 999 there are women who would bang famous and violent celebrities, there are women who will bang convicted guitar players etc -> so don’t give me the safety crap.

          The BASIC fact is that WOMEN NEVER EVER EVER have sex just for sex sake. Almost no woman ever on the planet says yes to sex just for sex’ sake without getting anything ELSE out of you.

          Now, I have seen the apocalypse opener work, but in both cases it was only after we established our status in the club and were seen interacting with and being friendly with some high-status folks and hot chicks ===> after which all the interest indicators started flying from all women in that room and they were competing for our attention. But a random chick who he has seen no value in us before the offer? No. Never ever ever. Not in our personal “experiment” nor in scientific experiments. Women just don’t have sex for sex ITSELF. There is no free sex.

  16. if you (figuratively, not you in particular) have a thousand blocks, then **you need to** work on them all until you are free **and articulate**.

    You’re handing out commands to WN and projecting goals. This is your own goals dude, don’t project them onto him.

    • “if you (figuratively, not you in particular) have a thousand blocks, then **you need to work on them all until you are free and articulate.”

      thats a response to you, talking about how to overcome general issues. if you have a problem, the solution is to fix it. Im not commanding you to it.

  17. if you have a problem, the solution is to fix it. Im not commanding you to it.

    So let me get this straight… Your unsolicited advice isn’t directed at WN, but to everyone on the planet… Ok, that makes it less offensive 😀

  18. As soon as you included famous you’re talking about something different. For rich men that aren’t famous, they aren’t going to tell me if they were virgins.

    Obviously famous has a lower threshold, even a local guitarist gets more pussy than a 100k engineer nobody has heard of.

    I do think there’s a threshold where money is so powerful on its own that it surpasses pretty much everything else. I’d say a millionaire at least. After a few million a year – you start getting laid despite everything else, even if you’ve never gotten any your whole life.

    Oh and, women don’t magically and telepathically learn of your wealth. You have to flaunt/advertise it.

  19. if you are not rich you only attract poor girls

    😀

    I didn’t say that. If you are not rich, you attract FATTTTIES 🙂

    You can be poor and bang hotties, but then that requires turning it into your dayjob and hitting on about 500 women a day, lol.

  20. I think the reason you infuriate gamers so much W&N because you make comments like: “game doesn’t exist”, which you may believe it wholeheartedly but it sounds pretty ridiculous when you look at it in face value.

    The truth is women are looking for two qualities in men, which are character and looks. They judge a man who has a certain confidence in how he carries himself and also how handsome he is. Why is this? It’s rather simple from a evolutionary psychology standpoint.

    She just wants a man that will help her produce her a healthy baby (looks) and he’ll have the strength to ensure that the baby survives to adulthood (confidence) by doing whatever it takes to protect the babies and her from outside threats.

    In prehistoric times, having “IT” as Alek would say was very useful, but in modern times its a poor indicator of a man’s survival traits. W&N you may be pissed off because even though in reality you can definitely help a baby survive very well in this modern society with your large salary. You still subconsciously advertise to women that you would be a horrible protector/provider, but the reality is you would of just been a horrible protector/provider in prehistoric times.

    This is where game comes to equation. All it is in the grand scheme of things is a way of acting out certain traits that would portray you as an ideal protector in prehistoric ways. The problem is as many of you would agree, that in my opinion it does an insufficient job of this. The reason being is that the traits women find attractive in men come from within, it’s a whole mentality that is engraved in them due to superior psychological strength.

    Like yohami suggested, it makes far more sense to become that person by boosting your confidence with a variety of a ways rather than imitating that person and trying your best to act like someone you are not until the women realize the jig is up.

    • I think the reason you infuriate gamers so much W&N because you make comments like: “game doesn’t exist”, which you may believe it wholeheartedly but it sounds pretty ridiculous when you look at it in face value.

      You’re proving WN’s point… If game was SOOO real, why would you be INFURIATED by a complete random NOBODY on a complete RANDOM blog somewhere where a person is writing to HIMSELF. He doesn’t run up to you guys and go “GAME IS STOOOPID, GAME DOESN’T EXIST”… He writes it in some obscure blog that doesn’t exist.

      CASE IN POINT ====> If there’s a blog somewhere on the internets where a guy is posting “There is no such thing as music… music doesn’t exist. In fact, puppies and kittens don’t exist” —> WOULD YOU FREAK OUT? Would you get INFURIATED and try to ARGUE with him?

      You guys emotion reaction only proves WN’s point… Game is an article of FAITH. Its equal to “thetans”, “jesus”, “chi” and other such concepts. This is why people react as if you said “bah, scientology is bullshit” and then you get swarmed by 50 scientologists on your blog who are infuriated and shout at you.

      • I’m not infuriated personally to be honest, I can just imagine why the gamers would be frustrated. I understand your perspective as well that game is an article of faith. I think the reality is that game does not do an adequate job of attracting women for the majority of men.

        Like I said in my post, I think game is a pointless endeavor because to me game is just imitating subconscious behaviours of psychological strength to attract women. I have learned that it makes MUCH more sense to actually become psychologically stronger to attract women rather than just imitate it.

        I wouldn’t get infuriated and argue with someone if they posted “music doesn’t exist”, I’d just get annoyed for them saying something that makes no sense. If W&N said: “Game is a waste of time and doesn’t produce any results”, then that wouldn’t bother me at all because at least it would make sense.

  21. Thank you yohami,

    I’d also like to add that the truth is our brains whether we like it or not are obsolete. Evolution has not been able to keep up to the crushing pace of modernization and technology. As a result, the majority of people are basically cavemen and cave women operating computers and flying around in planes.

    The truth is I have noticed is that the women that tend to fall for the alpha males are less intelligent or evolved and are more susceptible to be attracted to these men. More intelligent and evolved females tend to go for a different kind of male. I notice that this male tends to be more beta one could argue, but usually good looking and very socially mature.

    W&N when you complain that you approach unattractive women and they turn you down and it appears they have not lowered their standards. The truth is they have lowered their standards, but only in terms of looks. They realize they are not good looking enough to attract a good looking alpha male, but they still want an alpha male even if he is ugly. They may even settle for a beta male as long as he is good looking, but that’s just hypergamy at work.

    Honestly W&N, just laugh at the ludicrous nature of all this. It may be hard to from your position, but in the end women are chasing men using obsolete detection of survival traits and this is resulting in a lot of women ending up in undesirable positions. Sure the ones the people that suffer the most is the majority of men, but in the end all you can do is adapt to the reality to procreate or just ignore it and laugh it off as one big joke from a distance.

    • a lot of these cavemen traits are still valuable. society controls us like we were caveman: with fear, common sense and fireworks. to combat that we still need courage and a lot of these stupid, old manly traits

      one has to be a strong caveman – plus smart and some other more fine traits – to hustle against the boot on our faces, and win

      so +1 on being a caveman, it has its plus side

  22. I agree yohami, in prehistoric times caveman traits might of been the only traits that were necessary to survive and succeed. Nowadays, it is one trait of several that are necessary to survive and succeed. One must be fearless, strong, intelligent and mature.

    Unfortunately the majority of women tend to go for men that have the first two traits and only go for men with the last two if they have the first two.

    An intelligent mature male that is fearful and weak will not be attractive to women at all even if he is as useful in providing her safety in this modern society as a fearless alpha male that is stupid and immature.

    This is merely a symptom of the majority of women’s brains not evolving and adapting to modern times. However like I said before, there are women that are more intelligent and socially mature that do value other traits as well.

  23. Game is a set of behaviors. Players / PUAs try to imitate such behaviors, put a lot of energy and stuff into mimicking. The winner move is not to mimick, but to go behind and learn the whys and the cores of these behaviors and mold yourself

    So not imitating alphas but becoming one. The one that is you.

    Game was designer for betas.

    Women love alphas.

    One of the many traits of alphas is status.

    When you are alpha and have status and the other so many traits, you dont have to “game” the girl, where a beta would have to work his ass off doing counter nature stuff just to come even and trick the girl into him

    I no longer have to pursue girls. They come to me. I can enter and go out of relationships. Its not longer an issue. I dont pay for sex, I dont invest, I dont

    The sexual marketplace for the alpha is similar to what it is for a girl: full of abudance. but for the alpha its even easier. Every girl out there is putting makeup, dressing, competing, chitchatting and dreaming to get you. Girls are all about mating, and they all want to mate with you, and most of the time they know what they are doing

    The girl does obtain stuff from me, but Im also obtaining stuff from her. Every relationship is a give and take. That doesnt mean she is a “hooker”. She is with me because she likes me, and what she gets from me, its me.

    I realize everything looks different from different perspectives. But really, Alek, your discourse doesnt make much sense. Seems like you are bouncing every argument to the extremes and missing whats really going on.

    • Agreed yohami, your posts make the most sense over the vast majority that post here. I am in the process you can say of becoming an alpha through sexual abstinence, meditation and a variety of other ways. It’s not easy transforming yourself, but it can be done as yohami has proved.

      I simply dropped game completely when I realized women were attracted to me when I was at a moment in my life where I was super confident and having a good time. You could say at that moment I was an alpha, and even though it didn’t last, I have since that moment been trying hard to reach that mentality once again. I’m so glad I didn’t waste time learning game or “imitating alphas” because when I did attempt it, it had little benefit that was only temporary.

    • The girl does obtain stuff from me, but Im also obtaining stuff from her. Every relationship is a give and take. That doesnt mean she is a “hooker”. She is with me because she likes me, and what she gets from me, its me.

      I realize everything looks different from different perspectives. But really, Alek, your discourse doesnt make much sense. Seems like you are bouncing every argument to the extremes and missing whats really going on.

      So why won’t this girl accept YOU before you’ve demonstrated anything of VALUE? Go ahead and prove me wrong. Walk up to random girls and ask for sex BEFORE demonstrating value?

      Give and take? But that’s my point. Its possible for guy to ONLY want a woman’s body. A woman can get “free sex” because many guys do only WANT sex in exchange for sex. A warm body in exchange for a warm body.

      Do you get it? You can’t offer a woman JUST sex. Every woman wants something in EXCHANGE for the sex.

      • Do you get it? You can’t offer a woman JUST sex. Every woman wants something in EXCHANGE for the sex.

        If you give me friendship in exchange for friendship, this is TRUE friendship. Its a give and take.

        If you give me friendship in exchange for status, me introducing you to famous people, getting you into places ===> this is prostituting yourself

        Its kind of like when you’re rich a whole bunch of people want to be your “friends”, but they’re really using you for your money and status right? They’re not TRUE friends.

        Well that’s kind of what its like with women. They NEVER EVER want sex in exchange for JUST sex. The only true friendship is one where you exchange friendship FOR friendship (and nothing else) right? Well why doesn’t it apply to women as well? Same logic.

        • you have sex because the woman has a good body, and it isnt true sex?

          You’re desperate 😀 She’s not giving you a hot body in EXCHANGE for having sex with her. The sex IS THE hot body.

          If a friend gives you a pretty car for free, its a gift, right?
          If a friend gives you a piece of feces for free, its a gift, but you won’t take it.

          The fact that you needed for the gift to be good enough to be taken doesn’t change the fact that its free.

          NOW! If a friend says he wants to give you a gift for free… But first you need to:

          1) Demonstrate you’ll treat his gift right by spending 10 hours doing “gift treating courses” – and you need to provide a certificate of completion
          2) Write a big essay on why he’s soooo awesome for giving you a gift
          3) Spend 3 mandatory months talking about why you think the gift will be good for your life
          4) Prove that you are qualified of handling the gift well by demonstrating 7 skills that may or may not be related to the gift.
          5) Do 10 activities you would never otherwise do and have to pretend you like them, and do this for 2-3 months = then we give you the gift (maybe)
          6) Oh and, you’re not actually guaranteed to get the gift. He might or might not give it.
          7) Oh and you’re not guaranteed what the gift is. It might be a pretty car when you open it, or it might be a piece of dung

          —> IS THIS still a FREE gift? This is kind of like “free sex” from a woman is.

          I’ll just quote our escort once again:

          Intelligent men are less likely to believe in silly propaganda against us, and less likely to have the kind of fragile masculine ego which would be wounded by “having to pay for it.” The intelligent man knows that ****”free tail is the most expensive kind,”***** and can make the reasonable and pragmatic decision to spend his money on a “sure thing” rather than *****chasing women whose price and quality are uncertain****.

  24. The gamers think game is everything.

    And it is, but they’re still wrong.

    Because what they think is game is not really the game.

    The real game is life, and the only scorecard that a man should ever care about is the one he makes for himself.

    So then, why do gamers hate non-gamers so much?

    Because they’re looking for validation, and in doing so they’ve not only failed in the game they play, but in the whole game entirely. They still have not let go of their need to have their actions approved by their peers, and as long as they continue they will never have obtained any level of mastery over themselves, let alone some convoluted idea of MASTERING the game of attracting women.

    By trying to control others, one is controlled by them. What we seek to possess owns us.

    Those who seek to posses game will be controlled by it. The “skillset” becomes a game that controls the gamer, putting him into a frame that needs constant validation to acknowledge the existence of said skills.

    In other words, one who seeks to be consider proficient in game, to obtain the status of mPUA, Guru, or otherwise will ultimately be sucked into a game in which only through the validation of women can he consider himself valuable. The only way to PROVE that said “skills” work is through the seduction of a woman, and her seduction requires that you meet her validation for seduction.

    Rather, it is the man who is not tied down to “winning” at game. The man who care not whether said woman is seduced or fucks off, and cares not for scoring more pussy that is freed from needing the validation of women. For this man, game is nothing more than amusement and a dalliance in pleasure he enjoys. It is not the purpose of his existence, it is not that which he bases his life around. For this man, game is no different than taking a shit on the toilet and playing a game of solitaire. He does his thing, and if he so desires, he amuses himself as he does his thing.

    The ultimate game is to play life how you choose, the way that your heart desires. Not for women, not for the approval of online denizens and their PUAs, and certainly not for ANYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD. The ultimate game is a game of SELF.

    In the immortal words of James Brown (a man who has bedded far more women in his life than most of these EXPERT game players);

    “The way i like, it is the way it is,
    I got mine ‘n’ don’t worry ’bout his”

    • good written, to summarize and tie to what I was saying

      – caring about “game” and validation, using techniques to control the girl: pua / beta
      – not caring about “game” nor validation, but getting your way: alpha / natural

      in order to win at the game / life, you need experiences and technique either way, you need the core traits. but obsessing about faking the traits is a loser move and wont bring the results that matter

      last… this thing about gamers hating non gamers, I dont get it, really. I havent seen it. when I see hatred is usually between feminists and everyone else, including gamers

      • There is no winning in life.

        There is only living.

        Does a dog think of winning?
        Does a tree contemplate victory over other trees?
        Only man thinks of “winning” when it comes to life.

        But there is no magical entity or score card that can judge you as a winner at life compared to any other life.

        Life is to be lived. That is the only game. The only judge of having you lived a “winning” life is yourself.

    • That’s a good dose of truth garvan. In the end, learning game techniques is not going to have much benefit in your life except getting validation from women.

      This why becoming a stronger person from within will help you in all areas of life and being attractive to women is just a bonus or the icing on the cake.

      • Random, I want to embark on the same course of self improvement through similar methods (celibacy and meditation). Ofcourse by celibacy I mean no pornography and no masturbation. Since that is my own sexual outlet giving it up is exceedingly difficult, although I have no doubt of how important it is and how damaging pornography has been for me. I heard you said somewhere that you went an entire six months without pornography, how the hell did you acheive that pray tell? I find it very difficult to even go a few days without porn or masturbation, my record is twelve days without masturbation.

        • Hi Mahoney,

          What I did to go six months without pornography was simply focus my energy on more positive things: Such as exercising, meditating and playing musical instruments. Eventually, the desire to watch porn will go away, I’m online everyday and there is nothing stopping me from jerking off to porn except myself.

          I haven’t watched porn now for over 3 months, since that was the last time I relapsed. However I find that an unremarkable feat considering I have to this day gone one and a half months without masturbating. At this point my body is completely used to not masturbating. The main difference is I have an abundance of energy and almost fearless.

          In my opinion, quitting porn for the rest of your life is necessary for every male if they wish to become a stronger person and have a better sex drive. As for abstaining from masturbation, the goal should be to abstain for exactly two months at first. The reason? After two months, the levels of prolactin in your brain will literally to zero. Prolactin is what makes you feel satisfied and demotivates you from pursuing a woman.

          Then once the two months are up, in my opinion there is no need to continue abstaining for that long a period. After my two months are up, I will masturbate once every two weeks. The reason?

          It takes two weeks for your body to adjust to not masturbating, you probably will have a wet dream after two weeks, relieving yourself every two weeks is enough to keep your prostrate healthy, testosterone and confidence levels will be higher in the first two weeks and during those two weeks you will be the most motivated to pursue women. After the two weeks, the motivation for pursuing women shows up on and off periodically, even though the higher energy levels and lower fear levels remain constant.

          Good luck Mahoney, any man can achieve this feat if they truly want to. Alek mentioned that he managed to go 2 months without mbing and he realizes too that once you accomplish it, it really is no big deal in the grand scheme of things and just another skill you mastered.

  25. Alek what you describe is the classic putting the pussy on a pedestal and dancing for it under her command. she puts the price and makes you jump trough a hoop, and you are right about that. women try to squeeze other stuff out of you, try to use your sex drive to get something else. all the time.

    that doesnt mean women dont have sex because they like sex

    it just means women “make it harder” for guys they dont like that much or perceive to be lower value, so they make the guy pay for that difference

    when the guy is higher status than them, they jump at him with no panties = they dont make that guy pay anything

    that isnt being a “hooker” because the status is not always monetary. you can be high status / being broke / unemployed / having less money than the girl.

    the girl gets AROUSED by your status (alpha), in the same way you get aroused by her looks. with both aroused, its just sex. it isnt a money / gifts / payment transaction

    • I really like your thoughts on this thread. I’d to give a somewhat length testimony of where I’m at right now. I’m a 22 year old man and I am a loser, not just with women but in all areas of life. I have recently come to realization that I need some form of game in my life, but not for the purposes of pursuing women. I mean more “inner game”, becoming more positive, destroying my negative thought patterns and learning basic social skills and just being a more confident, personable dude in general. I am a complete social retard, with extreme social anxiety and I realize that I cannot have any happiness without becoming MUCH more easy going, lively, engaging and confident amongst people. I am an extremely negative person and It’s impossible for me to make any meaningful change without first being positive and believing in myself, this is a very hard thing for me. Currently I am only interested in applying “game” type self improvement in all other areas of my life except my love life (or lack there of).

      This is not me burying my head in the sand because I have SO many others areas of my life that need desperate attention and improvement and I feel like I cannot even begin to attempt to deal with the women issue until I’m in a more confident, secure place. To me right now, the female situation appears hopeless, I look at all potential interactions with feelings of pain, envy, self loathing, hatred, bitterness, humiliation and overwhelming, all consuming fear. I literally terrified beyond believe at the humiliation I expect suffer at the hands of women, it is my worst nightmare, I actually have literal nightmares about it. Whether my evaluation of my potential with women is accurate, it doesn’t matter, the effect on my mind is the same. I am in an extremely fragile, insecure place right now and the pain of rejection could send me spiraling into a deep, deep depression, I’m already suffering from depression now but it could get much worse.

      My plan is to set about trying to improve my life in all other areas, which will give me more confidence and clarity and I’ll then be able to evaluate where I stand in the mating game through clear eyes. Then I’ll take it from there. The trouble with me is I spend each and every waking moment of the day thinking about women, thinking about sex and thinking about how inadequate I am. Right now its impossible for me to be positive about sex or women because I truly believe with my whole being that I will never find any women to be with me. When you really believe that (which I can assure you I do) not only are you filled with complete despair, but you look into the future and only see more of the same. Recently I have told myself that I need to lie to myself that I can get a woman one day in the future, I try and give myself permission to believe that I can get a woman, but it feels like such a pathetic, weak lie.

      I have always been involuntary celibate, but I used to tell myself that one day I’ll get a woman, over the last few years all of that hope has disappeared and thus my life has become infinitely harder. I feel like I can’t be positive at all, about anything unless I can get this monkey off my back. I feel like I need to have hope and faith that I can one day get a woman for me to be positive about anything. The believe that I will never be successful with women eats at my soul everyday. Do you think its okay for me to have faith that I one day I will have a woman even if it’s a lie, if only to give myself the motivation to get up in the morning?

      • Man I was once in a similar situation. You have a block. This is what I think: you live with people that are constantly putting you down.

        What you have to realize, and thats what I did, without guidance, and took me some freaking years, its that IT IS ALL IN YOUR HEAD.

        Theres a checklist of actions that can change your life and for good. To do them, you need energy. If you are with people that are bringing your energy down, you have no chance. So this is pretty much the checklist:

        1. Leave.
        2. Sustent yourself. Any work that gets you money will do.
        3. Pay attention to your behavior. Focus on A) where do you want to get and B) what the fuck is blocking you
        4. Try 400 ways to get A. At once. Ignore as many blocks as you can.
        5. Repeat.

        About “getting a girl”. Man. Everyone can get a girl. Whats really fucked up and you cant realize yet, is that having a girl MEANS NOTHING. After the initial rush, you´ll find that having a relationship and having her… is actually making things worse and accentuating your situation.

        So you have to be optimum. Work on that. You are the only thing that matters, for now.

        But yeah, you can get a girl. Anybody can.

        • nope, you´re not right bro. even people with down syndrome can get “a girl”. Its all in the head. Its all action, belief, its “you”, your energy… you have control, you have a say about everything that is you, and it has a value, theres someone out there wanting that.

          but if you say its impossible that translates into negative things, and its you the one making it impossible. its all in the head. and within your reach.

        • Its all in the head. Its all action, belief, its “you”, your energy… you have control, you have a say about everything that is you, and it has a value, theres someone out there wanting that.

          I couldn’t get a woman when I believed it was possible.

          Here’s the problem with everything you say. Women have minds of their own. Their minds are not extensions of my mind. I can’t believe my way into a girlfriend.

        • Okay so I can take that as a definite yes to start believing that I actually can get a girl. It will take me awhile to cultivate that belief, but I will try.

        • do work on the belief, and work on the actions x10

          once you start changing reality, it wont be a “belief” anymore, it will be just your mind

      • What I mean is that when you are screwed up, you attract screwed up girls. Being trapped by screwed up relationships is worse than being alone. Especially when these screwed ups involve sex. Instincts make you do some stupid shit you wouldnt otherwise.

        So go and work on yourself and get sane. Flirt with girls like a madman. If you get involved, be EXTREMELY casual and careful, until you´r core can endure a relationship.

        Go on, bro.

      • Until your lot with women improves, don’t fantasize about real women anymore.

        Next time you fantasize, think about fictitious women only. We all used to do that shit when we were younger. Every guy did, whether he wants to admit it or not (I used to dream about Chun-Li).

        Well, do it again. If you’re gonna be condemned to sexual purgatory, you might as well reclaim dominion over your own mind.

        Secretly, women don’t want you to NOT fantasize about them. They have no problem telling you to stick your head in a blender when you ask them out, yet they still want you to be tormented as you dream about their beauty as you sleep.

        Women attain over half of their power over the average man by HAUNTING him with their beauty, by getting that man to obsess over the glorious vision that is them long after they have departed.

        Women love to torment the lonely male, they get a thrill out of knowing he is thinking of them even though they have made it clear they wouldn’t want that lonely male touch them with a ten foot pole and a latex glove.

        Don’t let them play this evil, sadistic game with you.

        If you’re going to be denied the pleasures of female flesh, then the least you can do is DESTROY the power these women have over your mind. Deprive them of the ability to haunt you, to torment you.

        I mean, hell, if you’re gonna retreat into the realm of fantasy to escape this sorry situation, you might as well go all the way or don’t go at all.

  26. “Here’s the problem with everything you say. Women have minds of their own. Their minds are not extensions of my mind. I can’t believe my way into a girlfriend.”

    you cant believe your way into getting a glass of water either.

    belief doesnt get you anyhing. action gets you everything. belief leads to action, thats how it works

    so it aint about the belief itself but what you´re gonna do about it. if you are doing stuff that fails, then you need to find whats causing that, and change it. thats why I point the belief system first.

    WN, Im not trying to change your mind. You are free to pursue your own thing. My point is that this is something you are cooperatively doing with the world, not something that is just “happening”

    • What do you think I have been doing for years and years? I tried and tried and tried. I wasn’t sitting on my ass. I should have sat on my ass because I would have gotten the same result for all of the action I did except I would have had more time for anything else and I would have ended up less frustrated.

      Really, when are you going to accept that women hate me?

  27. This is where having a close friend that is socially aware would come in handy. He will tell you the brutal truth about yourself for your own good. Having a friend that is a girl would be the best, but obviously in your case it might not be plausible. Even asking your own mother as a last resort might help if you don’t have a socially aware close friend or a friend that is a girl, but that depends if she is type to tell you these things.

    • Try to avoid asking your mother. Mothers have an APPALLING lack of sympathy for their sons when it comes to this kind of thing.

  28. @yohami:

    “girls are not rational creatures by any means, they kind of know it, and they dont care. . .”

    And this is why relations with Western women will never improve for us.

    Women know they are hard to deal with, they know they are insane, they know they have absolutely no integrity when the shit hits the fan, they know they are irrational and unreasonable and emotional. . .but they don’t! fucking! CARE!!!

    If anything, they are PROUD of being petty, insufferable bitches. They have NO desire to change their bad behavior, rather, they feel their behavior is YOUR responsibility to change. And if you fail to change it, you are condemned to ENDURE it for as long as they deign to be with your sorry, virginal keister.

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  30. I have a friend. He’s cool, sleeve tattoo…he has a great a record collection. We were at a bar one night enjoying a beer. While he is in the bathroom two women sit next to me (not because they had a choice, but there were only two chairs at the bar, and they took them.)

    I said “hello” and gave a little room. The one says to me in tired disgust “I have a boyfriend” and the other says “loser” under her breath, they sit and ignore me.

    My friend comes back and sits, he doesn’t say anything to me, I get up to use the bathroom.

    When I return……..he has both women giggling, and laughing. I take my seat and politely listen. The girl who has a “boyfriend” offers her number to my friend. The other girl invites him to a party they are going to later.

    It is the “IT” that was spoken about above. If you don’t have “IT” you will never be allowed to have “IT”

    Now would I have wanted to be involved with a snotty girl like that? No.

    Ii asked my friend later on “How did you get them to laugh, and open up?”

    He said “Dude, I just said hello. If you are friendly to women, they will be friendly right back!”

    I was not going to explain what happened to me, but this fustration is something a lot of guys cannot comprehend.

    As for “Animal Planet” we’re not animals. we have a conscience.

    • Women want the laws of society, but courtship based on the law of the jungle.
      They then proceed to complain when such a man doesn’t mind having other women on the side or dishonours his responsibilities … which is what also happens in nature.

      Yeah, I’d like some steamed ice please.

  31. Yohami, you are also blessed with decent looks, and attitude that is too much “game” to me.

    Go game, and lave us alone in here, your commenst are hurting more than helping, and I personally feel that is your motive, to hurt or shame.

      • then what is your point of even posting here? Fair question. You must be getting something from being here, and it isn’t to “help” us.

        • I was just giving my opinions on the subject, which are many, and different from the common sense here. If my stuff helps, cool, if not, at least you gain an external point of view, if you dont, well, I do. I learned some stuff by reading this blog. But since people here take offense, I moved on a while ago.

  32. btw explain people with Downs Syndrome “dating” my brother has Downs Syndrome and he does not date.

    There are over 120 types of Downs Syndrome. Clairify your comment from above.

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