I don’t know why I keep reading Hookingupstupid. It’s the Fukushima Daiichi disaster of the internet. But occasionaly you will find some comments of pure truth like these.
My earlier comments were deleted. Apparently the only abuse tolerated on this website is the abuse of men. I suppose this website is closer to the beating heart of the gynocracy than I wanted to believe. No problem. Maybe this is not a proper MRM blog. If so, I understand perfectly well the pleasure its moderators take in reducing men to sniveling, begging slaves struggling to understand how to please their shit-testing masters.
If we are willing to justify the cruel, manipulative, abusive, and dehumanizing treatment of men on the part of women simply because we’ve contrived a fancy evolutionary psychological explanation to justify it, I fail to understand what’s stopping us men from treating women on similar terms. Women hate weak men and stand by their right to mistreat them. Of course, their gutless male slaves – virtually everyone on this blog – are all too happy to comply with the new moral order, which is one that reduces all of us to animals.
Well, as they say, if you can’t beat them, join them. I have no hope ever of changing this world, so I will play by its rules. If it is okay for women to treat men with enormous cruelty because women hate them for being who they are, then I will follow precisely this same logic: since I hate women with a violent and venomous passion for being who they are, I will now make it my mission to treat as many women as possible in my life with as much cruelty as possible.
Ladies, thanks for the inspiration. You are truly subhuman.
I’m not sure why David thought Hookingupstupid was an MRM site but continuing…
Truthfully, I liked women before I read your article. The worst side of women wasn’t so in my face and I was able to cope with it from that distance. But now it’s out in the open for me, and the reality is too much to take. Your article and all the commentary that succeeds it shows plainly that men are the slaves of women – or I suppose we are slaves to sex. This is not some wild exaggeration; it is just the plain truth. In your view, and the view of most of the men here, I should accept this reality with a smile and embrace my slavery, tailoring my whole being to women’s sexual preferences. I myself don’t matter. You, Susan, are all that matters to this world. At least acknowledge this much.
I would be interested to know your motives for making this statement, or why you consider it relevant to the discussion. In other words – whether I can or cannot attract women has nothing to do with assessing the actual character of women or of the men who willingly kowtow before them. A cruel woman who is attracted to me is still a cruel woman.
Susan, there is no place in the world where it is good for me to spend my time: what your article shows in clear relief is that men are not welcome here or anywhere. How can I say that? Well, a woman only accepts a man by rejecting most of his humanity. If I have to annihilate most of my humanity in order to find love, and if my whole being is required to take the form of women’s sexual preferences and nothing lost in that transformation matters – how can you reasonably say I have a legitimate place in society? How can you really say I belong here? You just can’t, Susan. The bottom line is that every man is apersona non grata. Whether he is alpha is just a way of saying whether women get turned on by him. He himself is still totally insignificant.
So certainly I do resent women, and passionately. Every day I see members of your sex enjoying the full range of their humanity without fear or insecurity, while at the same time depriving me of this same enjoyment through their cruelty. That men actually ratify this arrangement – that they ratify their dehumanization – is truly dumbfounding. I do not know how you can look on this face of this reality without being appalled.
A worthwhile point, one that I will take the time to seriously consider. On the other hand, you are quite frankly ignoring everything else that I said. Your response does not take into consideration the larger picture, the one to which I wish to draw our attention. In summary, that picture is that I am living in a society in which absolutely the only thing that matters about me to anyone is my ability to arouse women. Now, if this ability encompasses any of my humanity at all, it is only a tiny fraction. Is there any place at all in the world for the rest of me? The answer is no. Again, I am a persona non grata, not because women fail to find me attractive, but because I am male. This is true of all men, regardless of their standing in the sexual hierarchy. Whether a man attracts many women or none, succeeds with women or fails, nothing can erase the fact that he is living in a world where the bulk of his being is dismissed at best and crushed at worst, not only by women, but also by other men who are as much the victim of this arrangement as he is. No man is truly welcome in his own society; rather, he is made from birth into a slave for society, and in particular for women.
We men and women are social creatures. If a man is not free to be fully himself to all who know him, and to know others see more in him than his capacity to attract women sexually; if there is always a part of him he must keep to himself and share with no one else, lest he be punished for being human; if the broad expense of a man’s heart is abandoned by all and left to languish in isolation; if a man knows he must perform well or face his complete abandonment by the world, as every slave must; if all this is true, then tell me, what place do men really have in the world, except as slaves whose only value derives from their performance?
Again, it is remarkable to me that so many men embrace this reality wholeheartedly. And it is appalling to me to face the cold-hearted indifference of women to our case. It is all really nothing more than sexual exploitation.
You can call me dramatic, but if this is the way you see my argument, then I simply think you are not paying attention. The evidence is everywhere. The next time you see a homeless man, for example, consider the likelihood that anyone at all really cares about him, and if you think it unlikely, ask yourself why he has been abandoned. Then ask yourself the last time you saw a homeless woman, and why this might be.
Personally, I am going to need a lot of time to work out the implications of life as a male in a world like this. Perhaps my only option is solitary, principled, non-violent non-cooperation. It’s almost too much to hope that would accomplish anything. Worse, women (and men, to a lesser extent) will only heap cruelty upon me in a subconscious effort to enforce my conformity. Still, I cannot, in principle, cooperate with a system that violates my dignity as a human being.
OffTheCuff, I appreciate a sympathetic response. I wasn’t expecting to get one. Then again, I don’t suppose my opening fire hardcore was bound to attract a lot of positive responses. And then (yet) again I am surprised Susan, who in the comments to the link you provided says she herself went through a corollary grieving process, was not willing to suspend her anger long enough to consider a more understanding and thoughtful response. I suppose that shouldn’t be surprising. After all, she and the others here believe that we are the passive victims of our genetic programming, that our genetic programming itself is the moral code par excellence and requires the intervention neither of reason nor will, and that they should, therefore, punish men as much as necessary to make them conform in their whole being to the sexual desires of women, regardless of what is lost in the transformation. As I said, this is patently nothing more than sexual exploitation – the sexual enslavement of a sex. I am not inclined simply to cooperate with such a cruel and dehumanizing system just because it is the only one that exists. I will resist in principle, regardless of the pragmatic consequences, and the more women like Susan crack the whip on my back in the attempt to force my conformity, the more I will understand the need not to comply.
The link you provided is now a part of my growing pile of game-related resources. It’s a relief to know I’m not the only one going through this; it’s hard enough to face this reality, never mind thinking I’m the only one who has a problem with it. No doubt I will follow the stages all the way through to acceptance. At this point I hardly believe my acceptance will be as the article describes. Rather, it will be the acceptance that I alone refuse to comply with a system that cruelly exploits the insecurities of men for the sexual enjoyment of women.
There is no dignity for men in cooperating with women in this regard. When we do, we make ourselves like any of the African slaves in the United States who ‘made the best’ of their circumstances by kissing their owners’ asses. Not into it, personally. I’m ashamed that so many other men are.
In the end it’s not surprising women like Susan take such evident delight in this system. Looking back over time, it seems to be the way of people to happily defend and promote any system that ensures they remain the dominant class and to demonstrate at the same time a profound incapacity to understand the perspective of the underclasses and how the system tramples their dignity and humanity underfoot. Men showed this resistance to women as feminism rolled out during the 60s. Whites showed this resistance to blacks during the abolition movement. And now women have their own institution: game. That someone laid out the steps men take to accepting their sexual enslavement – and touts this as their only and best option – makes me want to puke on every man and woman I see.
Game is not men’s liberation as it is often touted. It is the reaction of a newly oppressed class. The men who practice game are not liberated warriors; they are understandably terrified and insecure men who are trying to learn how to comply with the demands of the dominant class in order to survive.
No, I will not play ball. Gentlemen, enjoy your chains.
I disagree with you regarding the capacity of words to change minds. If this were true, game theory would never have garnered the following it now enjoys. I do agree there is an abundance of insight I need to continue absorbing from all the game authors. It does show the way things really are. It does show what women and society require of men in order to accept them. It does not show men the path that preserves their dignity and humanity. Rather, it shows men how to reduce themselves in every respect necessary to match the criteria that women want. In this way it is 100% gynocentric.
I could go on forever – maybe I’ll just start a blog of my own! – but I want to add that it seems quite clear to me that the value game and all its adherents embrace above all is sex. In its moral guidance game is prepared to subvert all for the sake of sex, and evaluates all human beings strictly by their SMV. Why anyone upholds such a patently amoral system is beyond me.
I would say the game system is immoral instead of amoral because it’s based on a lie just like Communism and Naziism were. Game says that your only value as a man is what women says it is. I reject that because I have dignity and integrity as a man. I refuse to be a slave so that’s why I get so much hate from gamers and women. I got hate from gamers and women before I said anything other than I’m in my early 30s and a virgin. That alone was enough to get their hate.
I’m not surprised by David’s realization about Susan Walsh or his comparison of game to the slavery of blacks. PMAFT realized what Susan Walsh is all about a long time ago so multiple men have realized the truth about her. Susan Walsh has called me ‘creepy’ which is no different than calling a black person, a nigger. She has also lied saying that I said that I was banned from her blog. I never said any such thing. That’s no different than white women in the South a long time ago claiming black men raped them to get the KKK to lynch black men. (It’s also no different than those women who tried to destroy my job by claiming I sexually harassed them.)
Game is a lie designed to enslave men for the benefit of women. I refuse to have any part of that. I will fight it to my last breath because I want to be free.