149 comments on “The Level Of Argument Used Against Me

  1. I must reiterate that I’m glad I found this blog. Being swept up in the MRA movement, and reading roissy et al I started believing in game, even though I didn’t think I was personally capable of implementing it. I always had this lingering feeling that it was all about appeasing women, similar to sending thought-out messages on dating sites only to be ignored. I’m now done with all of that stuff. If a good girl comes my way, more power to me, if not, oh well. Isn’t that what MGTOW is all about anyway?

    It’s really sad how game and the PUAs have targeted MGTOW and MRA movements and significantly infiltrated them. What’s worse is how so many well-respected people within the movements believe in it. There’s nothing wrong with acting more assertive and regaining the masculinity that has been taken from you in this society, but why does it have to become this huge philosophy and art form? Sure, you can get “revenge” on chicks by pumping and dumping, but I’m reminded of the old saying: The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference. If you truly don’t want to appease cunty women then just avoid them. Don’t “game” them. Gaming still boosts their ego, even if it doesn’t do it to quite the level that bootlicking does.

    PUA is a cancer that has infected the MRA and MGTOW movements and must be routed out.

  2. I think this is the case for non-cunty women as well, or those who you want to keep in a relationship. If it’s really gonna be a stable relationship, you shouldn’t have to “game” her. Just stand your ground and that’s that. If she needs manipulative treatment to stay with you, not cheat on you, etc. then she’s no good. I mean eventually you’re gonna slip up anyways. And if a gamer tries to retort to this by telling me LOL THEN YOU NEED BETTER GAME OR HAVE FUN BEING CHEATED ON ETC then well, most women are no good.

    • Nothing can make you “keep” a woman who doesn’t want to be with you, and the woman who wants to be with you wouldn’t need gaming.
      The only reason why many women claim they need to be gamed, is because many judge the man on his ability to excite, intrigue and pique… in other words, they want a woman with a dick… which is why so many gamers, and even Roissy has stated this, are those “most in touch with the feminine side”.
      I mean, temper tantrums, takeaways, one-word replies, total attitude changes?
      If the subject wasn’t made clear, you’d assume I was talking about women.
      And another reason why a woman says “she has to be gamed to be interested”… is because she wants the man to feel that he has accomplished something rare and mysterious… which at the same time reduces her to an object and an achievement… wasn’t it women who said they didn’t want to be objectified? But yet success in relationships, those who objectify women the most seem to have the most success.
      While the honest guys end up paying for the lifestyles of banged-out females through welfare, paternity fraud, false rape accusations, alimony and “harassment charges”.
      Doesn’t sound like a system men who believe in justice should be contributing to.

      • “Doesn’t sound like a system men who believe in justice should be contributing to.”

        I agree, and unfortunately it is something of a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario. I can intentionally slack in order to starve the system of tax revenue which disproportionately goes to subsidize the poor choices of women, but at the same time, am forced to limit my own growth financially and as a contributing member of society to do so. Alternatively, I can maximize my earning capacity and live the good MGTOW life, but at the same time, know that a significant portion of my efforts will go to pay for WIC, abortions, and Man’s fault divorce courts.

        I hope that the something shifts soon, I hate having my hard work go to pay for some hoochy to pop out bastards.

        • You can always spend more of it on escorts. That does a lot to lower female power in society.

        • One way men can really starve the beast is through freelance work, or as an independent contractor. Because the income varies, and I’m not sure how much of a tax return you have to file.
          I will say this though: Campervan. Try to pack away your life into mobility. Because that always allows you to leave… and as so many women prove time and again, the only man they have ever really loved, were the ones who couldn’t be made to stay… probably because of the fact that the women weren’t being sincere in their love _enough_. I.e. “I can’t leave my friends, I can’t leave my job, etc. etc.”
          What about the guy who lives like that, he is doing that all the time, _because_ the law and its execution favours women disproportionally.
          As for escorts, if you do go that way, please read through the false rape society to ensure you have made the proper precautions. Remember Crystal Mangum who just recently killed a man, previously achieved fame by falsely accusing 3 men of Duke University of rape.

        • I work as an independent contractor now. My tax return is much more complex now to the point where I need an accountant, but I’m paying a lot less in tax now despite making a lot more money. It’s an excellent way to starve the beast and get away from feminized/feminist corporate bullshit.

      • By making her the object, she is given all the pick and power. She is the object of the game, not he, just she. This is why women like being objectified, it gives them power.

  3. It’s really sad how game and the PUAs have targeted MGTOW and MRA movements and significantly infiltrated them. What’s worse is how so many well-respected people within the movements believe in it. There’s nothing wrong with acting more assertive and regaining the masculinity that has been taken from you in this society, but why does it have to become this huge philosophy and art form? Sure, you can get “revenge” on chicks by pumping and dumping, but I’m reminded of the old saying: The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference. If you truly don’t want to appease cunty women then just avoid them. Don’t “game” them. Gaming still boosts their ego, even if it doesn’t do it to quite the level that bootlicking does.

    http://aleknovy.com/2011/04/18/how-puas-and-gamers-fuck-it-up-for-all-men/

  4. I’m relatively new to your blog, OmegaVirginRevolt. Your last post about Game actually inspired me to send that type of message to guys who are more interested in other issues than that. PUA and Game are just feminist sex toys used to satisfy a female’s liberated feminist sexuality! Nonetheless, I actually have to agree with you OmegaVirginRevolt–this men’s movement has lost its focus as a result of this…

    EmanTheDesperateHouseboy

      • You’re the lone voice in the wilderness that _has stuck around_. There was a blog previously, 50 year old virgin, that was deleted. Also, some good informational ones like Misadventures of Vincent Ignatius.
        It seems there are a lot of people with a dog in the fight, who see it as a religious/moral duty to ensure the success of the sins of a sick society slavishly supported.
        And there must be something terribly wrong when another point of view, the view of the oppressed (that feminists say they support) is always ground into dust.
        Unless of course the feminists are lying, why would they do that, ahahahaha!
        Keep on keeping on… this rotten state of events only benefits the corrupt men and women of the world.

  5. I love you man! I used to read some Omega gamester blogs, and they were just cheerleading for the Alphas and hos that dump on us! But your really taking a stand! The worst insult these gamers know to throw at you is that your an omega virgin! But thats the name of your freaken blog! Your getting hit on all fronts, the alpha male-feminist unholy alliance is being exposed, and the betas fear the omegas more than anyone, for there but for the grace of Roissy go they!

    • You mean “there but for the grace of being lucky go they”.
      How many betas (but who think they’re alpha in their own mind) have the idea that they should step on their fellow man in the quest for the “GIRL WHO FINALLY THINKS THEY’RE WORTH IT!”
      When in reality that same girl just can’t keep up with the alphas and are looking to retire on the man’s dime?
      Reality check: Women have _NO PROBLEM_ giving their life, youth and money to an alpha. The moment she starts pulling that idea of “I don’t work, I’m married now”, remind her of the time she scraped together all that money to get made over to impress an alpha…
      Usually, the only women who complain about having to work, are usually in relationships with men they only see as standbys, or are actively waiting for a Mr. Nice Guy to turn up so they can bleed him of his resources.

  6. Nope, still there now…. which means Prissy Princess Suzi, what bans every guy who won’t drink the mangina kool aid in the name of ‘civility’, is apparently fine with howling mad conspiracy theories.

    Shocka!

    Anyone want to guess what would happen to a comment claiming that the elite depopulation agenda requires young girls to be encouraged to slut it up?

    • I know you think it would shock hookingupstupid to say that chicks being sluts is part of the depopulation agenda but it wouldn’t. Conspiracy theorists have already made that argument. Susan Walsh already believes it probably.

      I have to seriously wonder why she’s so comfortable with conspiracy theory and conspiracy theorists. Maybe because conspiracy theory says that women aren’t responsible for their evil and cruel behavior.

  7. I’d hate to be the turd in the punch bowl, but someone’s gotta do it by playing devil’s advocate to bring an opposing view as opposed to just leaving this blog filled with yes men.

    Alright, you guys make some excellent points by stating that game isn’t all it’s cracked up to be and it isn’t, you are truly right about that. However, when you start going on some crazy rant thinking that game is going to bring the end of men then this is where this goes to silly territory.

    When I first discovered game, I did accept it as a religion, I will not lie. I did learn a lot as well and it made me question the whole concept of attracting women. However, eventually came to the realization that actually following game step by step was a ludicrous venture. I realized that the best thing to do with game is use it as a guide for NOT what to do with women.

    What does this mean? It meant not being a wimp to women, not letting them walk all over me

    • I also realized that acting super nice and doing everything women asked lowered the respect they had for me as opposed to highering as I thought intuitively. So basically, I just made sure to REMOVE all the negative traits that I developed over time that scared away women. That is all, I did not learn cocky funny, routines, magic tricks, blah blah blah. Doing this alone made me significantly more attractive to women and learning any special techniques wouldn’t of made much of a difference.

      So if any good came of game, it was this. It made men realize that they don’t have to put women on a pedestal anymore, that they can just be themselves unapologetically. Anyways, extremes is never healthy, trying to follow an unnatural routine developed by some alpha on how to behave like him or simply rejecting game and leaving yourself to be the pitiful doormat to women that you always were is not the answer. The answer is to just not give a fuck as Alek would say.

      • “Obviously, approaching lots of women technique for indifference has not worked for you”

        Dude he actually admitted he hasn’t done much approaching.

        • Of course I haven’t. Approaching women is dangerous for a guy like me. It just gives women more ammo to use against me. It allows women to scream that I sexually harassed them or assaulted them or other crap.

        • Honestly W&N, listen to Alek’s and yohami’s advice. They know what they’re talking about because they were once like you and then broke through the other side and saw the truth.

          I’m still in the process of transforming myself so I constantly switch between being attractive and unattractive to women even in a single day with some being worse or better than others.

          I’ve also had some setbacks or I’d be a lot further along, but I haven’t given up and never will until I break through the other side.

        • Ah, all this time I thought all the women who treated him like crap were women he approached at clubs and bars based on his earlier posts, not women from the workplace.

    • Haven’t we been through this before? I don’t let women walk over me. I don’t pedestalize women. Yet this has not made me attractive to women. If anything women hate me more because of it. I’m a living counterexample why game is bullshit.

      • It’s not about being a jerk to women, that will cause more harm like you said. It’s simply about showing through every movement and twitch in your body and voice that you really DO NOT CARE what they think, which is easier said than done. Women have a powerful radar for detecting this so they won’t confuse bitterness with indifference.

        • The only men showing true indifference to women are isolated monks or hermits who rarely if ever even come into contact with women. I don’t see women breaking down the door of monestaries.

        • Ya WN we’ve discussed this before but you keep missunderstanding on purpose.

          Being annoyed, mad and reactive to women is not the same as indifference.

          You’ve never in your life been indifferent to women or even approached a 100 of them. Sometimes WN you can BS more than gamers.

        • If someone keeps breaking your legs with a lead pipe then you’re not going to be indifferent to them. Metaphorically, that’s the sum total of women’s interaction with me.

        • WN I assure you I’m not a monk. And women have no need to break down monasteries because there are plenty indifferent aholes like me in every social group.

          Just today I got asked out twice. I’m the same ugly guy who all women called creep years ago. The only difference now is I don’t give a fuck.

        • Well I was going to respond to W&N, but Alek pretty much just laid out what I was gonna say, but even better.

        • @WN

          Actually I was treated so harshly by women I came home crying many days. Many times I came home and couldn’t sleep for days after women “metaphorically broke my legs”

          The point is this, it feels like someone smashing you with a lead pipe. But the point of indifference is that it STOPS feeling that way.

          Today a woman can run to me in a crowded mall and yell (lying) “”””ahhhh stop touching me you asshole, you so ugly””” and I would chuckle.

          Here’s the point. It’s precisely the fact that women’s mistreatment “feels like” breakouts legs, that it causes women to mistreat you. The moment you become immune to their mistreatment, they stop mistreating you.

        • The problem is not a woman yelling “stop touching me”. It’s manginas coming to save up by beating me up. It’s the police showing up and arresting me and having me thrown in prison.

      • white and nerdy says: “If someone keeps breaking your legs with a lead pipe then you’re not going to be indifferent to them. Metaphorically, that’s the sum total of women’s interaction with me.”

        Of course, over time women’s brutal treatment of you has made you bitter and vengeful, which is completely understandable. You need to get rid of this bitterness as it actually makes you even less attractive to women as opposed to just a typical nice guy.

        Obviously, approaching lots of women technique for indifference has not worked for you. You need to find something else, for me it was meditation and learning self discipline. You need to find out the solution for you, and when you do you will see the light at the end of the tunnel. I’m not saying women will worship you when this happens, but at the very least the majority of them will leave you alone.

        • This is exactly the reason you have to CHANGE yourself. For you it’s actually a matter of survival. Being beaten down by women your whole life has made you so unattractive to the point you cannot live a normal life.

          The TRUTH is man you are not meant to be this way, you were made this way because of women. Now you need to get your shit together and figure out a solution, whether it is approaching women or yoga or w/e want.

          I honestly think your situation is so severe that you may even have to resort to hypnosis because it is deeply rooted in your subconscious.

        • I meant to say “whatever you want”. “I’m not the problem” is just a mentality engraved in your mind that you have convinced yourself to believe through an extended period of time.

          Feminism works the exact same way, women have convinced themselves that men are hurting them, so they have to hurt men more to even things out, which results in women becoming more evil than men.

          It’s all a state of mind in the end, none of it is real and only exists in people’s minds.

        • It’s either “I’m not the problem” or I agree with women who think I’m some sort of subhuman animal to be beaten for their sadistic and cruel pleasures. I pick, “I’m not the problem.”

          Feminism is based on what women have imagined men did to them plus their sadistic and cruel nature. My beliefs on women are based on WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO ME. Can’t you see the difference or are you white knighting for feminism?

          Talk about becoming “better” is nothing but a meaningless platitude to distract from the real issue of female behavior. No one can ever tell me what about me is supposed to become “better” so it has to be bullshit.

        • What about picking: “The problem is me being unattractive and women being intolerable”, therefore I either have to change women or change myself. What makes more logical sense to do? Obviously change yourself as that’s actually possible.

          I’m not white knighting for feminism. Obviously what they did to you is much worse than what men did to women. However, my point is you and feminism have the same exact mentality even if yours is more justified.

          Honestly man, I like your blog because you point out some ugly truths about women. However, I don’t like your solutions because they revolve around changing women, which is practically impossible rather than changing yourself, which is actually possible.

  8. @Random

    Where did anyone say “game will be the end of men”? Obviously, for most guys, after they leave the religion, they will be better people precisely because they had to go through the fake solution.

    This post is titled why game SLOWS downs progress for men. It doesn’t claim game will create the end of civilization as we know it. The collapse is happening on it’s own. All that game does is distract the guys who would otherwise be working on preventing the collapse.

    • @random

      Also your points about how game helped you are true and false at the same time.

      How is it any different than an ex-scientologist saying “ya but Scientology taught me to focus on my internal self instead of superficial external self”, “Scientology taught me that personal development is first and then the goals you have accomplish themselves easier”

      Get my point?

      Just because you learned something useful from a cult it does not justify all the years wasted on the cult and the 99% of harmful fluff picked up on the way”

      You could have learned that stuff on it’s own.

      • Agreed, but that is only true if someone followed game religiously from the beginning. If a man decides to improve himself after finding out game and uses only the basics of game and figures out the rest on his own then game has helped him.

        I see your point, but what’s the alternative? Imagine if there was no game at this moment, you would get a lot of guys acting like completely doormats to women and suffering needlesly. Is this any better?

        I think game is a logical step in man’s advancement. It was necessary only so man can understand how they must behave, as crude and flawed game is. Eventually I think in the future, most men will realize that it’s all about the basic fundamentals and discard the rest of game, this is when men will have the upper hand. Anyways that is an optimistic way of looking at it.

    • Game slows down progress for men if every guy takes everything game says at face value and follows it religiously. However, game SPEEDS up progress for men if guys decide to apply the positive aspects of game and discard the negative aspects of it.

      • Well most gamers use it as a religion. So what’s your point? Were discussing real life here not hypotheticals.

        If most gamers were of the positive example you described, sure… Bit they’re not.

        • Well my point is that I think we’re going through a stage of men’s development, it’s merely my opinion so if you don’t agree then that’s fine. The game stage is merely an ugly transition period until men finally wake up and realize the real truth.

          Stage 1 (Effeminate Stage) (1980s and 1990s): Men having false knowledge brought by disney and other propaganda that you must put women on a pedestal causing much misery and pain to countless men.

          Stage 2 (Game stage)(2000s and 2010s): Men think they need to learn a set of routines and tricks to convince women they are an alpha male to get laid resulting in happiness in few men and misery and pain to the majority of men.

          Stage 3 (Realization stage)(2020s and beyond): Men wake up from the spell of game and the media. They realize that they do not need to put women on a pedestal and they don’t need to follow game to pick up women. All they need to do is remove their bad habits and replace them with whatever works for them.

          This is just my opinion, I could be totally wrong and things could get a whole lot worse in the future, I’m just an optimist, that’s all.

  9. “Of course I haven’t. Approaching women is dangerous for a guy like me. It just gives women more ammo to use against me. It allows women to scream that I sexually harassed them or assaulted them or other crap.”

    So?

    It means you still care. You care about a woman screaming at you and calling you a creep. Right now your level of BS is the same as of gamers.

    You claim women will accuse you of sexual harassment but that has never happened in the existence of clubs and bars and pubs. They’re not workplaces-where women use it as a way to get rid of competition.

      • Yeah the system is corrupt, it always has been. Whether that’s feminism infiltrating the government or nature’s system of mating. The solution is to do what is necessary to survive, you could tear down the system, but a much easier and beneficial solution would be tear down yourself and create a new and better you.

        This applies to every male, it’s not about being the type of guy that women love, it’s about being YOU without insecurity and bitterness, which ironically makes you more attractive.

        • The men who are insecure and bitter that women like, are still the men that women like.
          Scott Disick?
          The only difference is that they are the men that women like.
          You’re not being accurate, as usual.

        • In what universe does being insecure and bitter get you women? Seriously you and W&N should go there if it exists, you’d be drowning in pussy.

        • Hahaha nice!, I love flame warriors, makes things seem so much more dramatic.

          Too bad I’m all alone now and still arguing with you for that flamewarrior to make sense. I even argued on my own in other threads and started making posts against this thread solo without anyone supporting me.

          One could even argue that you are the me-too for the Big Dog of W&N. haha

        • “Yeah the system is corrupt, it always has been. Whether that’s feminism infiltrating the government or nature’s system of mating. The solution is to do what is necessary to survive, you could tear down the system, but a much easier and beneficial solution would be tear down yourself and create a new and better you.”

          Becoming indifference and practicing meditation help, but it’s not going to solve misandry in society and the legal system. You can “create a new and better you” but if the environment is becoming inherently toxic, there’s a real big problem.

          I’ll be the first to say that tackling the system head-on is a Leviathan-like task. There are men’s rights activists that are plenty more versed in doing so, and I admit on my own behalf I’m not at the level they are. I don’t even classify myself as a MRA although I’m sympathetic for many reasons. And game? It falls short here, let’s face it.

          One can only change on an individual level so much. The system isn’t just a massive organism that runs on its own—there are women that use unjust and unfair laws against men, as well as emotionally cruelity and even physical abuse.

          Ultimately, I’m on the plane where W&N is about women who are destructive toward men in some fashion; they need to be held accountable for their actions. Apparently, it’s still very difficult for many in Western society to accept that they should.

        • The ones who don’t want things to change are those who live off the pain and misery of others:
          alphas,
          the legal industry,
          the police,
          commerce…
          the organised religions…
          The guys at the top of these pyramids usually want other men to man up and take their leavings. Accepting the accusations of a woman who has proven nothing is a manifestation of that (If I believe her, I’ll get a bit on the side, or a promotion, or more votes).
          Many women would rather share an alpha, than have all of any other type of man.
          Such women deserve that fate… everybody makes choices, everybody should pay the price of their actions.
          After all… if you are equal to me, you are my competitor and therefore have the ability to stab me in the back.

        • “Becoming indifference and practicing meditation help, but it’s not going to solve misandry in society and the legal system. You can “create a new and better you” but if the environment is becoming inherently toxic, there’s a real big problem.”

          The way I see it, the environment we live in is toxic and not just with women and misandry. The whole system is corrupt up to and including capitalism. The way I see it if you improve yourself as an individual, you become impervious to society’s cruelty and unjust nature. This applies to all aspects of life, not just with women.

          “I’ll be the first to say that tackling the system head-on is a Leviathan-like task. There are men’s rights activists that are plenty more versed in doing so, and I admit on my own behalf I’m not at the level they are. I don’t even classify myself as a MRA although I’m sympathetic for many reasons. And game? It falls short here, let’s face it.”

          Agreed, game falls short and doesn’t achieve much except some men being able to mimic being an alpha male to get sex. It makes more sense to just become a stronger person so you can be immune to the bullshit of everyday life and not just women.

          “One can only change on an individual level so much. The system isn’t just a massive organism that runs on its own—there are women that use unjust and unfair laws against men, as well as emotionally cruelity and even physical abuse.”

          Of course there are limitations on what we can do to expand our consciousness and state of mind and it can only serve as a form of prevention rather than complete immunity to the unfair laws. Maybe in the future there will be equilibrium between men and women, but I’m not going to wait around for that to happen as that could take decades or even a lifetime.

          “Ultimately, I’m on the plane where W&N is about women who are destructive toward men in some fashion; they need to be held accountable for their actions. Apparently, it’s still very difficult for many in Western society to accept that they should.”

          The thing you need to realize is that W&N thinks 99% of women are evil and out to get men. When in reality it’s only like 1% of women causing all the trouble. That’s all it takes to cause problems, so W&N ideas that all women need to change just sound nutty once you look at how it is in reality.

        • Why don’t you try approaching 100 women and see what happens? What’s the worst that can happen? It’s not like the women you approach will all know each other and thus reject you unanimously because of herd mentality. Who knows you might actually find a woman this way.

      • “Or they will claim I assaulted or touched them or I’m “bothering” them. That does happen in bars and clubs. What I care about is NOT BEING THROWN IN PRISON”

        I have personally worked with and interacted with hundreds of “creeps” from a dozen countries. They have been spat on, ridiculed, mocked, called names, yelled at-but not a single one EVER has had cops called on him or gotten beat up. EVER. Tha just doesn’t happen from merely TALKING to women.

        So WN, you’re just full of bullshit. Unlike these other guys who are trying to convince you to change, I don’t care. I just wish you weren’t so full of bullshit.

        It’s hard to taken seriously as a critic of game when youdisplay delusions yourself-no betterthan the delusions of gamers.

        • I would think that the guys who had the cops called on them would actually be in prison so unless you were interviewing prisoners it’s no surprise that you couldn’t find a man who had that happen to him.

          I actually have talked to men who have been beaten up by manginas on the word of a woman so I know its true.

        • More reason to change yourself so you can survive and not go to prison. How has ranting helped your situation so far? Exactly the same? That’s what I thought.

        • Bullshit “I have talked to some men who say they been beaten up bla bla”

          You’re changing focus now first it was being thrown in jail for merely talking to women in social situations after you realized how fucking ridiculous that statement is-you changed it to focusing on being beaten up by manginas.

          Unlike the jail example, yes that is theoretically possible, but I have the sample size of hundreds of guys approaching thousands of women each. Nevr happened, not fucking ONCE. Theoretically possible? Sure. About as likely as you being mugged and beaten in the metro or about as likely as a woman bein raped.

          You’re like a woman who has decided to never ever be in the same room as men, because she go raped as a child. You’re like someone deciding to never leave their home because they’ve heard a story of someone being mugged and beaten on the streets.

      • I always laugh at people who think that they can goad me to stupidly set aside my well-being just to prove a point to them.
        Especially keyboard warriors like you, Random! 🙂

        • Whatever makes you happy P Ray lol :D. Anyways, any rational person would read this blog and realize the truth.

          You and W&N live in a fantasy world and if it makes you content being a dartboard to women as long as you get to pester behind their back about how horrible and evil they are, then so be it. I honestly don’t even care anymore.

  10. @WN

    “Feminism is based on what women have imagined men did to them plus their sadistic and cruel nature. My beliefs on women are based on WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO ME. Can’t you see the difference or are you white knighting for feminism?”

    But you just admitted you refuse and have refused to interact with or be around women. How did what 2-3 women do to you apply as somehow being true of 3.5 billion people.

    Your starting to sound as full of BS a the game guys. Drawing unobjectice faith based conclusions on ridiculously small samples. If you’ve had 100 women do it to you, you’d be more respectable and believable.

    • I refuse to interact with or be around women NOW (with obvious exceptions like female family members). I didn’t start out avoiding women. I chose this path so that women wouldn’t have ammo to use against me to take away my job or have me thrown in prison. I haven’t had over 100 women accuse me of sexual harassment, but adding up all of the sadistic cruelty and evil I have gotten from women it’s over 100. Plus there are the women who didn’t do anything to me but supported the women who did rather than standing up for justice. Thus it becomes impossible for me to differentiate which women are actually dangerous because even the ones who aren’t are still aiding and abetting those who are. There’s only a handful of women I know for certain who are different and that’s because they’re extreme MRM supporters.

      • Dude I don’t care if you never talk to another woman in your life. I just want you to stop lying about it.

        I don’t Give a fuck if you refuse to be in the same room as a woman for the rest of your life. My issue is you disseminating bullshit about it being dangerous to talk to women in social situations with which you seem to have close to zero experience.

        The moment you spew bullshit like that it makes all your critiques of game to no longer be taken seriously. You’re destroying your credibility.

  11. Dude you’re coming from the frame of telling WN how to become more attractive. He doesn’t care, nor do I.

    I don’t care if WN remains the same for life, it’s his choice. I just would prefer it if he stopped lying. We need people to critique game. Its hard to take the critics of game seriously though if they’re as full of BS as gamers themselves.

    • What have I lied about? I have been honest since I started blogging. Why is it so hard for you to accept that I have been the recipient of sadistic cruelty from quite a few women?

      • You lie about having had substantial bad experiences. 2-3 women is a lacking sample. YOU ADMITTED to never actuall having done any substantial amount of approaching

        You have NO evidence that women will simply throw you in prison for merely talking to them in bars and clubs. That’s a blatant lie and you fuckin know it.

        I believe you that women have treated harshly, I knwo coz I spent years crying myself to sleep at how harshly women mistreated me. My point is this, 1)this is all subjective 2) it stops when you stop caring 3) you refuse to stop carig with some made up bullshit about being brown in prison.

        • Why do you keep saying that only 2 or 3 women have crapped on me? There are more examples than that documented on this blog. You’re the one who is lying. There’s a lot more to this than approaching women. I wish that is what this is what this is about because then I could just not approach women and live my life.

          I have been accused of sexual harassment multiple times. Each time I could have lost my job and my ability to hold future jobs could have been negatively impacted. You call this subjective? What happened to me (which includes more than the sexual harassment crap) is real.

        • The thing you need to realize W&N, is that the women preying on you are not the norm. They are psychopathic women that lack a conscience or women with some kind of severe mental disorder like bipolar disorder. Normal healthy women do not do these kind of things. More reason to change yourself to protect yourself from these kinds of women.

        • You’re confusing unrelated subjects.

          – I said only 2-3 women have objectively done you wrong. The false harassment charges.

          – the other shit is SUBJECTIVE and results in NO objective pain. Women being cold to you is completely a facet of how you decide to respond to it

          – there are no OBJECTIVE things women can do to you outside the workplace to hurt you (no more common than randomly getting mugged and beaten)

          – since women can’t objectively hurt you in social situations, it’s all based on your GIVING a fuck. Women can only be bitchy to you, and they’re bitchy coz you GIVE a fuck

          – you refuse to atop giving a fuck, using lies and made up dangers or transposing dangers from unrelated areas (workplace to clubs)

          Answer me honestly. How many women have you talked to in parties and social gatherings. You know where your friends invite you to a gathering or a birthday party and sit you next to a woman.

          How many times have you talked to women like this? Be objective. Give me numbers. DONT GIVE me excuses. I’m no asking why you haven’t done it. I’m asking how many times you have done it.

          And if you haven’t been invited to social gatherings, parties and get togethers by friends-why not. Is it the fault of women you don’t get invited to parties by friends?

        • There have been plenty more than three women who have accused me of sexual harassment.

          I’m not talking about women being cold to me. I wish that is all it was. Why don’t you tell the Duke Lacrosse guys who had to deal with a false rape accusation that women can’t objectively hurt them outside of work?

          My friends are all in the same boat as me so I have no opportunities for meeting women socially anymore. I have lost friends because of women. I have had a couple of ex-friends who as soon as they finally got a woman stopped being my friend. Two of these guys were honest to admit to me this was the reason. It literally was a case of their girlfriend met me and a few other friends who were in a similar situation to me and the next they my ex-friend’s girlfriend told him it was her or us (me and my fellow womanless friends). Needless to say these guys picked the vagina.

        • That may be true, but they’re just pawns being used by the psychopathic women. They’re being manipulated just as badly as you are by the psycho women, if not worse. Not an excuse, but if they knew the truth I’m sure the normal women would take your side as any sane human being would.

        • When I have gone through sexual harassment crap no woman ever took my side. How is it possible that psychopathic women manipulated every single woman? It isn’t possible. The “normal women” chose to support the psycho women out of a sense of female solidarity which to women trumps anything having to do with truth, facts, or justice.

        • “The “normal women” are providing aid and comfort to the psychopathic women. That makes them the same as far as I’m concerned”

          Wow WN since when are you a feminist? Coz it’s fucking feminists that invented that logic.

          Feminist say that all men are guilty for rape because they don’t stop rapists from raping. A feminist actually says that “normal men” are at fault because they don’t go out of their way to protect women from psychopathic men.

          You’re saying normal women should go out of their way and be your personal bodyguard? Lol

        • When I have gone through sexual harassment crap no woman ever took my side. How is it possible that psychopathic women manipulated every single woman? It isn’t possible. The “normal women” chose to support the psycho women out of a sense of female solidarity which to women trumps anything having to do with truth, facts, or justice.

          Yes normal women support the psycho women out of female solidarity, but I guarantee you if they found out the true nature of this psycho woman, they will turn on her in an instant and take your side. Women are capable of changing their opinion of a man in an instant. One second you’re a sack of shit, the next second you’re a rockstar and vice versa.

        • Alek, I’m starting to feel like we’re trying to punch through a brick wall. The thing with W&N he must have had some deep psychological trauma when he was a teenager or something that involved women. Trying to convince him logically won’t work because he subconsciously feels “safe” with his idea that women are the enemy and he’s the victim and will find any evidence to protect that idea.

          I think only hypnosis would help him, but I doubt he’ll feel anything is wrong with him to go through with it.

        • Women certainly did plenty of evil things to me when I was a teenager but none of that caused “deep psychological trauma”. Clearly you don’t deny what women have done to me so what is it you’re trying to say? Women are responsible for their actions. Why are you against holding women responsible for their actions?

          I am a human being not the subhuman monstrosity women think I am. There’s nothing wrong with me.

        • “Why are you against holding women responsible for their actions?”

          I only hold the women who actually accused you of sexual harassment responsible. The other women are victims of female psychology, but I’d say it’s more like human psychology, just worse in females. You have to realize that a lot of things people do that are subconscious that are out of their control.

          “I am a human being not the subhuman monstrosity women think I am. There’s nothing wrong with me.”

          Of course there’s nothing wrong with you as a human being. However, you have to accept there’s something wrong with you as a man. Just like there’s nothing wrong with the extremely ugly obese woman as a human being, there’s something with her as a female.

          The opposite sex would always punish you for not living up to the standards of their instincts. Guys do it by ignoring unattractive women and mocking them behind their back, women do it by calling unattractive men creeps and mocking them to their face. It’s called life and it exists this way to help the human race continue to survive. The truth is nature doesn’t care if there are casualties in the process, all it cares about is SURVIVAL.

        • Men don’t go around accusing ugly obese women of sexual harassment to get them fired from their jobs (or do anything in an attempt to get them fired from their jobs). There’s a big difference between that and being ignored.

        • “April 21, 2011 at 10:16 pm
          No I’m not saying that. Stop putting words in my mouth. Stop thinking like a feminist and you might understand what I’m saying.”

          You’re the one using feminist logic not me. In fact I can take your comment and replace psychotic women with psychotic men and your comment becomes a feminist comment, like word for word.

        • “Men don’t go around accusing ugly obese women of sexual harassment to get them fired from their jobs (or do anything in an attempt to get them fired from their jobs). There’s a big difference between that and being ignored.”

          You seriously underestimate the power that women have over men. It has nothing do with women being more evil than men. It has everything do with their huge surplus in power over men allows psycho women to take advantage of undesirable men. It really is that simple.

        • W&N, do you realise these people are trying to get you riled up so you make a statement that can be seen as violent so they can justify getting this site shut down?
          Worse than the truth of most “bitcxes be crazy!” is the truth of men willing to stab their fellow man in the back for some strange (I think it is now closer to weird, since most women have many more relationships than men, that must twist their emotions and sanity something fierce).
          And they do that by drawing you out to say things that can get you in trouble…

        • “W&N, do you realise these people are trying to get you riled up so you make a statement that can be seen as violent so they can justify getting this site shut down?”

          Wow, now you’re just being paranoid as hell. Me and Alek have stated our intentions repeatedly in this thread. I want W&N to acknowledge that he needs to change himself if he wants to protect himself against evil women. That trying to change the system is not “realistic” like he has even admitted himself.

          Alek wants W&N to stop lying and exaggerating and tell the truth without using made up conspiracy theories.

          Whether you agree or not is your opinion.

        • What possible reason do I have to lie? What reason do I have to make this up?

          I have never claimed women were conspiring against me. Clearly they’re not because if they were I would be dead by now.

          And change what? We have been around and around on this. I don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to changing myself since I haven’t done anything to deserve this.

        • “What possible reason do I have to lie? What reason do I have to make this up?”

          I don’t know, take this up with Alek

          “And change what? We have been around and around on this. I don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to changing myself since I haven’t done anything to deserve this.”

          Jesus, you’re so deep in denial it’s not even funny. I don’t want to sound like a broken record, so just read earlier posts I made regarding this.

        • Jesus, you’re so deep in denial it’s not even funny. I don’t want to sound like a broken record, so just read earlier posts I made regarding this.

          Meaningless talk about “change” and “better” and “not caring” sounds like BS to me. Whatever. I’m going to bed.

      • Well, you’ve been unclear and vague about your posts. Like you said countless women rejected giving the impression that you approached hundreds of women in clubs and they all spit at you and threw drinks at you. What you meant was a few random women treat you like crap that were probably psychos, which is normal, even Alphas have a few women treat them like crap and the difference is they don’t care.

        Let me put it in the perspective of a woman’s mind by reversing the paradigm. Think of a woman who her whole life was treated like shit by men for having slightly below average looks and being slightly heavy. Eventually she becomes so depressed and slowly over time becomes incredibly fat, pimply, scarred and disfigured. Men mock her and ridicule her not knowing they were the cause of her becoming like that.

        You are that women W&N, the good news is you can return to your old form and women will leave you alone once you accept this truth. Not saying women will flock to you to get fucked by them, but they will leave you alone if you at least become neutral, neither attractive nor unattractive like most men. The difference between the woman and you is that it is purely psychological for you.

      • CORRECTION: white and nerdy says: “When I have gone through sexual harassment crap no woman ever took my side. How is it possible that psychopathic women manipulated every single woman? It isn’t possible. The “normal women” chose to support the psycho women out of a sense of female solidarity which to women trumps anything having to do with truth, facts, or justice.”

        Yes normal women support the psycho women out of female solidarity, but I guarantee you if they found out the true nature of this psycho woman, they will turn on her in an instant and take your side. Women are capable of changing their opinion of a man in an instant. One second you’re a sack of shit, the next second you’re a rockstar and vice versa.

        • Where are all the righteous women when the false rape accusations come out?
          Approach plenty of women and don’t care what they think — is this the Gunwitch method? “Make the ‘ho say no?” Gunwitch is in jail now.
          If normal women support psycho women out of “solidarity”, without knowing the facts of the case and working off a purely emotional response… and you still think they can be trusted… reminds me of the Jews that went hunting other Jews for their Nazi masters (oh yeah, think that didn’t happen…?)
          In b4 Godwin’s law.

        • P-Ray, women tend to think groups and it usually exists amongst each other. If a righteous woman decides to step out of the group and support the man, she will be attacked as well. This is what stops the righteous women from speaking out. The only way women will support the man is if they unanimously agree on it and the psycho woman is left out, but this rarely happens if ever.

        • Taking the benefits of an evil system, any way you slice it, means you condone what’s happening.
          “Oh, I didn’t know, I was ignorant.”
          How come this is never accepted as valid justification for breaking the law?
          Would I get the same reaction from a woman if I showed up with a diamond ring or some dead african miners?
          After all, one follows the other.
          I remember hearing this once… “They complain about the man being a butcher to keep the family in a good state, but they don’t complain about the money coming in!”

        • The women that take advantage of an evil system are evil women! *Shocker!!!* The good women are totally oblivious and assume the guy was really bad and the poor woman was hurt. These kinds of things are difficult to prove or disprove so for some reason. If there was a law that allowed men to beat women up without punishment, many evil men would take advantage of that! *Omg what a shock*

        • Trivialising evil to excuse it, is the domain of people who want to exercise it themselves.

        • My point is if there is a loophole in the law, most people would ignore it. However, there is always going to be someone evil enough regardless of gender to take advantage of it and use it for harm.

          How hard is this to understand? Just because one evil woman takes advantage of a stupid law does not make all women around her evil because they are completely ignorant of her true intentions.

        • They are all completely ignorant of their true actions, yet they have solidarity with her?
          Are you making an argument for women being less intelligent than men? ‘Cause it sure sounds like it 🙂

        • No nitpick, I am making argument for women having a very strong group psychology that your male brain cannot understand. Why not actually look this stuff up? It’s all true.

      • “Then the only solutions that will work again involve an **************. It’s not realistic but nothing else really solves the problem.”

        You just admitted that it isn’t a realistic solution, but you state nothing else solves the problem?

        What ever happened to preventing yourself from being a target in the first place? Changing yourself so that you’re not a target of sexual harassment and instead completely invisible to women as a viable target. Does this not seem like a realistic solution to you?

        • Changing myself is not a viable solution because I have no idea what “change” I am supposed to do or what “better” means in this context. It’s so content free as to be useless to me.

        • Well, that is what “game” attempts to teach men like you. However, the truth is much more simple like Alek mentioned. Learn to have an “indifferent care free attitude” instead of a “bitter obsessed what women think kind of attitude”

          Problem = bitterness, caring about women

          Solution = indifference, not caring about women

          Like I said, there are many ways to do this, approaching hundreds of women like Alek suggested. I have tried meditation and it’s worked for me to some degree. In your situation the only thing that might work is hypnosis in my opinion, but maybe you can figure out a better solution.

        • Game doesn’t exist so that isn’t a solution.

          Like I just said there’s no such thing and “not caring”. Thinking about trying to get to a state of “not caring” is caring so you will never truly “not care”.

        • “Game doesn’t exist so that isn’t a solution.”

          I never said game was the solution to begin with.

          “Like I just said there’s no such thing and “not caring”. Thinking about trying to get to a state of “not caring” is caring so you will never truly “not care”.”

          LOL, this is just silly, you’re just an artful dodger that’s all.

          http://www.politicsforum.org/images/flame_warriors/flame_59.php

        • don’t you know if you change yourself because of what others can do to you you are saying they have power over you?
          Do you know that is a form of appeasement?
          What happens when you have no more to give?
          Forget that. Fight smart and be careful. The false rape society has plenty of workable ideas.

        • I don’t think it’s a realistic solution myself. Yes, there are strategies, but nothing flawless.

          There is only so much you can do to be a less effective target for a false harassment charge, unless you have a job and social life that involves minimum contact with women at best. Anyone can make up a false accusation. That’s all it really takes.

          Plus, I think you are placing a great deal of onus on W&N. A woman who makes a false accusation should be held accountable; at this stage such finger pointing can cause serious repercussions for men. That should never be underestimated.

        • Definitely. But most men not having seen this evil side of women which are triggered by the terrible 3’s of modern mangina/feminism civilisation:
          1. They are always right.
          2. They must never be corrected.
          3. They will do wrong to keep their statements “right”, e.g. Spread rumours and kill a guy’s career, then say “I was right all along, he was a loser”.
          Be vewy careful, you are facing accusations, not charges.
          And since sexual harassment accusations require no proof to be moved forward “she is too traumatised to remember what happened! How can you be such a beast to ask for evidence!”
          Men have to be very careful about the “mines” they encounter in the workplace. Not all of them “explode” on the same weight.
          Treat them the way male teachers treat schoolkids: deal with them in public, always with open doors, etc. etc. And NEVER bring up your personal life with them.

    • At least you can see why I usually played the role of “turd in the punch bowl” in past posts, because I felt it needed to be done so we can discover the TRUTH, as that is all that matters to me and there is much BSing like you pointed out coming from gamers and game critics.

      Anyways, I do CARE if W&N changes because I don’t think any guy deserves to be treated like shit by women, I’ve experienced it so I know how it is. I’m not saying I want W&N to become the next Don Juan, but if he can change himself to the point women at leave him alone so he can go about his business, then I feel it was at least worth trying to get through to him.

  12. @random

    “Alek, I’m starting to feel like we’re trying to punch through a brick wall. The thing with W&N he must have had some deep psychological trauma when he was a teenager or something that involved women. Trying to convince him logically won’t work because he subconsciously feels “safe” with his idea that women are the enemy and he’s the victim and will find any evidence to protect that idea.”

    I’m not trying to help WN or trying to get to him. I just care about him making antigamers look like conspiracy nuts.

    He talks logic against game, but then in the same context talks about stupid paranoid bullshit.

    That would be like me talking against feminism and then discussing aliens in the same post. It discredits anything I had said about feminism. Me talking about aliens makes all of counter-feminism look bad.

        • Going by your thinking:
          I think death is a conspiracy theory. Because we haven’t found a way to be immortal.
          There is no solid evidence to prove everybody dies (was everybody who ever lived catalogued?)
          So, I am sure death is a conspiracy theory.

        • That’s not a good argument P Ray. If you had said afterlife is a conspiracy theory then you would actually make sense. I really do not see the point in proving how death isn’t a conspiracy theory and proving that believing in the afterlife is a conspiracy theory.

      • “I’m a conspiracy theorist? Seriously? You must be trolling.”

        You’re the one who says all women hate you and secretly want to send you in prison for merely talkin to them at social venues like parties and clubs.

        How is that not a conspiracy theory?

  13. “Women certainly did plenty of evil things to me when I was a teenager but none of that caused “deep psychological trauma”. Clearly you don’t deny what women have done to me so what is it you’re trying to say? Women are responsible for their actions. Why are you against holding women responsible for their actions?”

    That’s a strawman. Of course women have treated you crappy. I know coz they’ve treat me and every guy I know like this and of course they need to take resposibility.

    THAT does not excuse you inventing bullshit and lying about other things. You talking about going to jail for merely talking to a woman at a party is conspiracy nut territory.

    “I am a human being not the subhuman monstrosity women think I am. There’s nothing wrong with me.”

    Of course. So why do you insist that you keep being treated that way. I don’t get it?

    1) women treat guys who care like crap
    2) you refuse to stop giving a crap by INVENTING tinfoil hat conspiracy nut reasons

    I don’t care if you do it or not. But please don’t lie. If you say “I don’t want to overcome giving a fuck”-that’s fine and I’ll leave you alone. But don’t invent these conspiracy nut bullshit lies about why you “can’t” do it

  14. “white and nerdy says:
    April 21, 2011 at 11:30 pm
    Feminists imagine men doing bad things to them. I deal in only what women have done to me.”

    Huh. When was the lasttime you talked to a woman at a friends birthday party and she called the cops on you. You’re the one imagining things and talking about what “would” happen.

    Tell me how is it you not imagining. When have your claims a out talking to women in social circles happened?

    • Obviously that’s never happened to me. Otherwise I would be in prison and this blog would not exist.

      You know perfectly well that women have destroyed all possible avenues for me to have social interaction with women so I’m not going to be talking to a woman at a friend’s birthday party.

  15. “There have been plenty more than three women who have accused me of sexual harassment.”

    Wtf. Plenty more?!?!?! And why are you not on the news yet?!?! You realize that would make you some sort of a guiness world record holder.

    BE SPECIFIC. How many women have done what to you. Numbers and SPECIFIC actions.

    • Because I don’t want to go on the news. I don’t want to be the “sexual harassment guy”. I have been paid enough hush money so that’s why there’s a limit on the details I provide.

  16. @ p ray

    “””Taking the benefits of an evil system, any way you slice it, means you condone what’s happening.”””

    You’re twisting p-ray’s words. He didn’t say that because the system is evil, that it makes it ok for bad women to use it. He was saying that these evil bitches can do it because the system lets them.

    Let’s be honest. Imagine if rape and beating women were made legal. You know full well that a lot more men would rape women. In fact some guys who want to succeed at work would rape and beat female coworkers they see as competition because the system LETS them!

    Currently our system allows bad women to succeed at the workplace by falsely accusing men.

    • Exactly, that was what I am saying. Any flawed system would result in a few bad apples taking advantage of it regardless of which group it favours. It really doesn’t matter if it’s blacks, whites, females or males, all that matters is that the system enables the group complete power over another group. Every kind of group on Earth has a few evil people that would take advantage of the loophole without hesitation, this does not make the entire group bad.

  17. W&N, do you realise these people are trying to get you riled up so you make a statement that can be seen as violent so they can justify getting this site shut down?
    Worse than the truth of most “bitcxes be crazy!” is the truth of men willing to stab their fellow man in the back for some strange (I think it is now closer to weird, since most women have many more relationships than men, that must twist their emotions and sanity something fierce).
    And they do that by drawing you out to say things that can get you in trouble…

    Thatsa a pretty elaborate conspiracy theory. Especially since 99% of the time I’m defending WN on this blog and against gamers. I also have very similar views and have spent years in the manosphere bashing game.

    I’ve been accused of being “WN in disguise” lol. So I went through all that for years so I can some here now and “trick” WN into saying something violent. Now that’s one elaborate conspiracy theory.

    I’m on WNs side on everything until he lies. I will not support WN lying, because that just makes his arguments against game look bad.

    • Whenever people talk about lies and truth, especially when it comes to the issues of abuse, rape (and rape accusations) and kiddy-fiddling, and suicide…
      I’m of the belief that truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense.
      Some women get an overwhelming feeling of pleasure when they suckle their babies, akin to sex… how long should this be allowed to continue, based on the age of the child, before it’s called abuse?
      Women and men have the same rate of violence, but women use tools.
      Women attempt suicide more than men. Men get it done on the first try.
      Some women say they were raped to excuse being late to work.

      I’m of the belief that truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense.

  18. @

    Ultimately, I’m on the plane where W&N is about women who are destructive toward men in some fashion; they need to be held accountable for their actions. Apparently, it’s still very difficult for many in Western society to accept that they should.

    Random never said that women shouldn’t be held liable. Everyone on this topics on the same page. Women need to held liable for their mistreatment of men.

    That said, what random was saying is this “while you’re working on the longer term systematic change why purposefully subject yourself and actually draw the worst out of women on yourself?”

    As for me. I don’t care what WN does. If he wants to stay exactly the same forever that’s his choice. My only issue is his using lies in the process.

    If he just says “those bitches ain’t worth shit, fucking bitches, I ain’t changing shit coz they’re fucked up” – I’m fine with this.

    Him claiming that he “can’t change” by using lies and conspiracy theories and paranoia is what I don’t support. If he really didn’t care and didn’t want to change he wouldn’t néed to invent all these elaborate paranoid scenarios.

    • I honestly think now that W&N is content being used as a soiled napkin by women as long as he can bicker about them in his blog to mask the pain. To each his own I guess.

      Though it’s pretty obvious he is pissed off, bitter and in denial by reading his threads and it seems he is set in his ways and nothing will change his mind, so I’m not going to bother trying to convince him anymore.

    • You’re the one who is lying. Women are not universally conspiring so I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I take reasonable steps to protect myself. Unfortunately women because of female solidarity support the psycho women making it impossible for me to know which women are the problem and which aren’t. That’s not paranoia. It’s a lack of options. I wish I could use a scapel but women have made it so I have to use a chainsaw.

      • You should be fine now that you work for yourself though, am I right? You only had problems from women in the feminized workplace, now you are free from sexual harassment laws and female solidarity. Don’t tell me women are showing up in groups at your door threatening to get your money and sue you because that’s just ridiculous.

        • Random wrote:

          You should be fine now that you work for yourself though, am I right?

          If he’s a consultant and still has to physically show up at a workplace, maybe not. But at least a consultant can just up and leave if he gets too much trouble there.

          Don’t tell me women are showing up in groups at your door threatening to get your money and sue you because that’s just ridiculous.

          I think they’re showing mostly showing up at his blog. I had a woman accuse me of sexually harassing me at the workplace for “eyeballing” her. But at least she didn’t follow me home.

  19. Random wrote:

    What does this mean? It meant not being a wimp to women, not letting them walk all over me

    But you have guys paying megabucks for seminars on advice you could fit on the back of your hand. That’s one problem I’ve always had with the self-improvement genre – how little substance there usually is.

    • Agreed, anyways self improvement is something you should do on your own in my opinion. That’s the whole point of it, it’s SELF improvement, not others showing you how to improve yourself.

  20. Here is one other thing I see wrong with “game” and the PUA industry; they make it all a game for one (the name says it), and it’s all about lust. They have replaced love with lust. And the fashion industry, porn industry, etc have all told people what image they are supposed to lust after.

    So there are men who DO want something more than lust, but it’s usually men like us, who are denied companionship. The bad boys who do get picked are all about lust. But it is very rare in westernized societies to find a woman who isn’t all about lust, this is why she knows in the 1st 5 seconds if she wants to know a man or not… Ironically, they use LJBF as a rejection line, ignoring the obvious fact that any REAL relationship should begin as a friendship… So, there they go using the FOUNDATION of a real relationship as a rejection line.

    And truth be told, when a woman says LJBF, she is usually saying she wants nothing to do with that man. But the PUA takes her off one pedistal and places her on another pedistal. The man has to keep slaving away in a vein attempt to get down her pants.

    I’ve used escorts before, lemme tell you why this doesn’t work. Because your still missing something (beyond just sex). You know this girl would never give you the time of day if it weren’t for you paying her. And when you get back into society, your still gonna be rejected. So escorts accomplish little but burning a hole in your pocket.

    Besides, why pay for something they denied you? To use an analogy, that’s like if I broke into your house while you were away, stole your stereo system, and then told you “you can listen to a song on it, if you pay me money.”

  21. Susan, what do you have to say about the ‘childfree by choice’ movement?

    Basically, a movement where mostly SWPL couples marry – with the intent of having zero kids. Children, they claim, thwart personal ambitions, drain incomes and their bratty behavior causes stress.

    (Interesting fact: they are the most ardent critics of bribery-and-micromanagement parenting and of spoiling children.)

    Are they advocating genocide?

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