29 comments on “Gamer Orbiters

  1. Lots of girls appear on Roissy’s blog. They usually rate their own physical attractiveness high, and their age young. They are apt to get flamed, insulted, and, at best, negged. I don’t see much orbiting.

    • Orbiting is a beta behavior of men, to women. Since Roissy is male, cannot be orbited

      Treating Roissy as the found of all wisdom is not “orbiting”, because he is the found of all wisdom, or at least a great deal of wisdom. Treating some dumb blonde as the fount of all wisdom because you hope to get into her pants is orbiting.

      • Not only that, women are probably going to lie to you about what they’re after in a person.
        What they tell you they’re after…
        are qualities they want the “guy they’re already after” to have.
        NOT qualities that, when you have, will allow you to replace her “guy she already wants”
        If you are the guy she DOESN’T want, nothing you do matters.
        If you are the guy she DOES want, you can get away with anything.

        The flip between guy she DOESN’T want to guy she DOES want only happens AFTER she gets burned by the guy she DOES want.
        Of course, she will be offended if you ask her that:
        No woman wants the guy she’s currently with, if he’s not the first guy she’s with…
        to know that he’s a substitute or a benchmark and not a real person.
        In that sense…
        Women really don’t want you to know how much they objectify men.

  2. Gamers only look better than the orbiters that they bash, in the context of
    “I’m a hustler who recognises a hustle (teasing guys for favours, money, opportunities and status), so I’m no falling for it but all those other guys are stupid, right?”
    “By the way, we are hanging out and this is not a date”.

    They basically make themselves look good at the expense of other men, then act to the woman as if it’s a big secret that only the two of them know about (“Our world” scenario). Then this shared secret becomes the bond that holds them together.

    The women who complain about cheaters are always forgetting that they can choose to be with men who “don’t tick all their boxes” or stay single.

    Of course, the constant idea of complaining about cheaters brings to mind that they’d rather be part of a harem then have a “man who is not wanted” all to themselves…
    since female criteria of “man who is not wanted” is so subjective that it can’t be enforced except by social shaming and relational aggression by women in their individual social circles.

    This is why men who want dating success need to travel, to escape the toxic influences of women who:
    1. want to be right
    2. can never be corrected
    3. will do wrong to ensure they are right (relationally aggress against a guy to destroy his job and relationship prospects, then sneer “I always knew he was a loser”)

    • Game doesn’t exist because it’s no better than placebo or doing the numbers game confidently. Get it?

    • Hmm.
      Last I heard being a fan of a blog didn’t make one an “orbiter”. One has to compliment, flatter, and otherwise pine for some woman somewhere on that blog to be an orbiter. Since I’m not pursuing, haven’t ever met r/l, sometimes disagree, and sometimes criticize some of the women and men on that blog, I can’t be an “orbiter” at least if that word has any meaning. Now if you want to stretch the word to mean “fan of blog!” go right ahead, White and Nerdy.

      That trick Ferdinand played, still stings, doesn’t it?

        • LOL!
          Well, I hardly run a pick up blog, spend my time talking about “game”, play “Racer X” to Alte or indeed do much of anything on that blog but chat and argue. My posts on Alte’s blog have concerned evolution, HBD, and Elevatorgate, nary a game piece among them. I suppose because I think ten percent of “game” has some use , and I don’t absolutely hate women nor avoid them like you do, I’m a Roissy in training! Sheeeeeeeit. Not my life, buddy. Anyway,this is only the third time I’ve checked this site since Ferd did his post (checked once yesterday to see what you thought of the prank) and surprise, surprise you are mentioning ME, probably because I gave Ferdy a thumbs up in the comments section on his blog. Tsk.

          Anyway despite your obnoxious whining and hopelessness and often unprovoked attention seeking from others, I do hope you are doing well with your personal business and I hope you never have to worry about a false accusation again.

        • I wrote this post a few days ago but scheduled it for last night. That’s something you can do with wordpress.

          I also talked about Obsidian & David Alexander. Did they give Bardamu a thumbs up? Has your partial belief in game made you see conspiratorial style behavior everywhere? And I’m surprised you even came here once. Three times is a bit obsessive especially for someone who thinks I’m a put on.

        • It seems that the moment a man chooses to examine just what value being in a relationship with a woman of unknown character is (and the superficial relationships of today point to that idea of unknown character, along with the very true idea that both “good” and “bad” girls go out socialising IN THE EXACT SAME PLACES)…
          he is immediately accused of hating women.

          Alte happens to be a person who thinks that virgin men of university age are a myth, therefore I don’t believe that she is someone who can grasp HBD…
          since HBD implies that there are “winners” and “losers” even amongst women. It’s not possible to arrive at the conclusion that she is someone who grasps HBD while she talks about how men have to give, while women don’t have to do anything or live up to any standards, except “show up”.
          Yeah, it’s that familiar phrase again:
          “My presence is my gift to you”.
          Conservative or Liberal, the man is expected to be the only grownup in a relationship.

    • It’s true that Roissy does not seem actually to understand many of the studies that he cites, nor does he seem to be able to think critically about the broader social-pyschological and historical issues involved. Again, though, when I disagree with Roissy I just stop reading him. I do think that Roissy, to some extent, is a reasonable predictor of how many younger American women will behave in some social situations. One of the larger problems, however, with Roissy’s approach to being “alpha” has to do with how he thinks alpha men are supposed to treat other men. His misunderstanding is actually relevant to this blog. Roissy suggests that alpha men are supposed to ignore, ridicule, laugh at, etc. socially “inferior” beta and omega men. The cultural tropes for male behavior that many American women find attractive, however, actually involve the opposite – an alpha male is a good leader *of other men*; and being a good leader doesn’t mean putting down and ridiculing the downtrodden. Sometimes on this blog White and Nerdy and other self-proclaimed Omega types seems to suggest that alpha males are there enemies in some sense, and would put them guys like White and Nerdy, etc. A real alpha male would not, but would encourage them instead. Leaders do that. Men who are strong, good leaders, motivated, and ambitious – i.e., the kind of men that American women find attractive – wouldn’t show such spite to White and Nerdy. White and Nerdy, I realize you probably know this already, but if you were around real alpha males in real life (and not blog-weirdos), *they* would probably, in turn, know some women who, as friends, would probably treat you decently, not exploit you, not call you creepy, and might end up giving you good advice (assuming you wanted it) on coming across non-manipulative decent women to hang out with. I recall from an earlier comment that you said you have never known such women, but they do exist – and I have seen them treat guys like you decently.

      • “…in turn, know some women who, as friends, would probably treat you decently, not exploit you, not call you creepy, and might end up giving you good advice (assuming you wanted it) on coming across non-manipulative decent women to hang out with. I recall from an earlier comment that you said you have never known such women, but they do exist – and I have seen them treat guys like you decently.”
        How do most women give good advice on dating … whether they are friends or not?
        The non-physical attributes they say they want in a man, only applies to “men they ALREADY want”.
        The “men that are not wanted” could change themselves all they want… but the only time they become the “man that are wanted” is to be the replacement for the man that burned the woman.

        “on coming across non-manipulative decent women to hang out with.”
        We have enough friends to “hang out with”. The only difference that separates a friend from a relationship (of any sort) is sex.

        “I recall from an earlier comment that you said you have never known such women, but they do exist – and I have seen them treat guys like you decently.”
        The women who treat you well up to the point of “Let’s Just Be Friends” are the worst kind of people to “treat you decently”.
        Because they’re your “friends” they can sabotage your chances to be in a relationship with others through relational aggression if they feel you are going to stop being around them to pursue a serious relationship (plus your alleged deficiencies will be taken seriously, because they’re your “friends”), AND
        because they’re your “friend” they have a de-facto excuse to keep you at arms’ length.

        As famously stated, When a girl says to you, “let’s just be friends”, that’s like your mom telling you, “the dog died, but you can still keep it if you want to.”

        • “Because they’re your “friends” they can sabotage your chances to be in a relationship with others through relational aggression if they feel you are going to stop being around them to pursue a serious relationship (plus your alleged deficiencies will be taken seriously, because they’re your “friends”), AND
          because they’re your “friend” they have a de-facto excuse to keep you at arms’ length.” My response: Well, if a girl is doing *that* then obviously she’s not really your friend. I’m talking about the kind who don’t do that sort of thing. I have not always been able to attract women. At a time earlier in my life when I had zero dating life and was regarded as undesirable (in the dating sense) by every girl I met, I was lucky enough to have a very few female friends who *encouraged* me, rather than sabotaged my chances to be in a relationship *and* who didn’t use our status as friends as the de facto excuse to keep me at arms length; quite the contrary. In other words, I had a few female friends who in that time in my life didn’t convey to me that I was “undateable” just because *they* didn’t want to date me, nor did they convey that because I was undesirable as a date to *them* that they believed I wasn’t a man at all or that I’d be undesirable to everyone and anyone. Was I just unbelievably lucky to have women friends like them? Perhaps, but women like that are out there. I accept that maybe you guys haven’t ever come across any decent women, but there are some out there.

      • Again, though, when I disagree with Roissy I just stop reading him

        GOOD FOR YOU!

        Unlikely you however, I care about this movement, and feel it is my duty to occasionally point out the trojans. I believe that GAME-MRAs are like a trojan inside the Men’s Movement.

        I see it as my duty to at least plant a SEED OF DOUBT in the minds of the naive guys who are entranced in it. Most guys wake up from game eventually. But me planting seeds can help speed up the process.

  3. Well:

    I respect PMAFT and go to his blog quite often. Even leave comments occasionally. Your blog is different and I’ve went two months at a time without even visiting it to see whom you are ranting at currently. Anyway, you get the last word. Peace out, homie.

  4. People shouldn’t get so upset about blogs they disagree with, find too negative, etc. They just shouldn’t read them. I don’t always agree with what White and Nerdy says, and disagree with many of the commenters. I find, however, the most satisfying remedy to go read something else, not to set up some big trolling operation like that Bardamu fellow did. I still hold to what I’ve said on this blog before – big social success stories usually don’t spend a lot of time in blog-warring.

  5. Fascinating… I never knew that people identified this behavior and even put a verb on it.

    Early on in my life of attraction to females, I saw males exhibiting this behavior. I was appalled by it. I saw the males that did this as obnoxious twerps and the females made even less available by it.

    Immediately after I saw that a female had a male imbued in her I would retreat and pretty much forget about her. I was always irritated by how, every female I had any attraction to, was nailed already. I lamented this to a person I knew and was told, “I should not hold it against the girl, because she has something going on before I met her…” I contended I would not sit around on her “waiting list”

    I always called it “getting on her waiting list”, and found it intolerable.

    I’m surprised PUAs look down on this… because every time I see these pretentious little mommies boys, they are doing it constantly. A nice looking girl will have a hoard of males following her. And they are ALL on her waiting list.

    I look at them, and they just have this glazed look in their eyes, no authenticity, total stage performance presence. It seems to take all their being to become her dog on a leash. But deeper down they seem to have frustration in them. I suspect it is because of what you said Omega Virgin, these orbiters don’t get laid…

    I think gamers are immature and inexperienced people. The fact that they can ever so often seduce a dumb bitch to fuck, doesn’t bespeak of any kind of knowledge or understanding. These poor shmucks, don’t even know who they are, so they have to play act and pretend like some movie star. And since this entire culture is full of emasculated hopeless little shits, and cool-aid drinking feminists leotards, everyone is soaped up on a very healthy dose of bullshit, and thus marriage is going into the garbage, and DV is getting more common amongst females. Women don’t even know what masculinity is, they are the farthest from it they have ever been, because all the males in this society are truly castrated. If you want to get an idea of what a man is you have to do research in the library.

    Anyhow I never do the orbital behavior (what I call “waiting list”) I find it insulting to my dignity, sitting by like some office seeker, trying to get noticed by his superiors. These little boys cannot stand NOT being around women. This means they are not matured yet. They are still fresh out of their mother’s womb sucking off her breast. It’s unspeakably fucking pathetic. But totally normal! This entire culture is a vagina centric matriarchy. There are no men left standing.

    Check out my blog entries if you like this line of reasoning…

    • Orbital behaviour is something men realise not to do, after some times of going through the “girl that always complains that there are no nice men around… NEVER giving them a chance”.

      It’s almost as if the girl times their communication in such a way as to tell you her boyfriend is a mean useless fellow… when she’s either still with him or has moved on to someone else by that time.

      In other words… you never really had a chance… but “you allowed yourself to think you were more than friends with me” (That’s a crap statement… because to start with “friends” wouldn’t make other friends believe they actually had a shot at a relationship and then pull away saying “Oh, I’m actually already in a relationship”.)

      The friendliest girls you will ever meet… already have boyfriends.
      What’s the reason behind being friendly? Because there is absolutely no way you will be considered for anything, but her friendliness allows her to scam favours, money, opportunities and social status out of you.

      It’s the perfect double bind: If you want anything out of your interactions with her, you are not friendly and she’ll relationally aggress against you by putting your reputation in the mud…
      and if you don’t want to help her, she’ll relationally aggress against you by putting your reputation in the mud…

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