84 comments on “A Question No Woman Or Mangina Will Ever Answer

  1. One of things they will never acknowledge is that no matter how your perspective is, the feminists, white knights, the media misandrists, and politicians will not come to grips that they have a mammoth hand in crafting the anti-male environment we have now. Openly admitting it would be confessing their guilt even with all the blatant disgust for men and masculinity that has been ongoing. Yet when men criticize feminism and its supporters and adherents for what they are and what they do, we are automatically branded as misogynists. It’s damned if we do, and damned if we don’t.

    Of course, white and nerdy, they will claim you were bitter all along. It’s absolute nonsense, but as you know they will not ever expose their own complicity, or look in the mirror for the answer as to why men are ever coming to more of the conclusions we have about them.

    I also have been accused of being a woman hater more than anything else. Regardless of what that’s supposed to mean to them (hell, even ignoring a woman’s whim has now been labeled as abuse or misogyny), one thing is clear—men who discover that Ameriskanks are far from flowers and light glean this from interaction and experiences with them, not from being shunned. I know some men that would actually prefer being ignored by women after a time considered all the abuse and lies hurled at them over the years. Anyone from Burton to Zed/Zenpriest has made this known; a man who has his eyes opened about the dark side of women does not become cynical and wary because they were like that to begin with—they become wary through dealing with them. Most men I know grew up with an almost idealistic view of women, if not placing them on pedestals. Unfortunately, some men never learn to grow out of that, and even get punished by their denial of skank and feminist behavior. Still, they will defend skanks, golddiggers, single moms, and feminists to the brink of hostility even though they will suffer in the long haul for it.

    We have to look out for ourselves and promote our rational self-interest, with or without women. If this is “misogyny,” so be it.

    They despise and fear men they ultimately can’t control. That’s what it’s really all about. Even abusive men still gravitate toward women, and there are women who will welcome them. A man that truly has power over a woman is one that can walk away—even one who has loved her in the past, but will no longer tolerate personal jabs and exploitative efforts from one.

    I have pondered a few times why so many women have such open resentment and even hatred towards men. In the past, I thought Whiskey is not wholly correct about how Ameriskank women perceive beta men as disposable and loathsome, but now it’s seems much on par with what how they treat men as such. My own opinion is that they pretty much don’t give a shit about the majority of men, and it’s all about them. Period. Granted, that sentiment is in gradients, but it still holds true. But there is a counter to this, and one I hope catches on eventually.

    I think enough is enough—I don’t care where that hidebound resent or even seething hatred comes from, and if feminism fuels that fire or not (which is most certainly does). I do not give credence to it. Feminists can bitch about patriarchy until the end of time and justify why they are so angry with men even while being underhanded about—it will never be something I will accept. Not as a man. No way. Not ever.

    I honestly believe the MGTOW philosophy, in part, is a reaction for being mistreated as much as we are getting sick and tired of being looked upon as second class citizens (or less so) and want our sense of worth and rights as men upheld in general. I think Zed hit upon something when he pointed out your typical American skank doesn’t see as holistic human beings, and women are shocked when many men reveal we are deep wells that have more depth than they want to realize. This would mean we would have be treated as real equals on every level, and this is precisely what they don’t really want. Herein lies the difference between MGTOW and feminism . . . the latter is about female supremacy, power, control, and lack of accountability while still shunting the onus on men with almost everything.

    No wonder more men are gradually awakening up.

    • Putting a woman on a pedestal is pretty sexist. Instead of being willing to treat women as people (some are nice, some are mean, some are kind of dumb, some are brilliant…etc), you expect them to adhere to some standard of behavior that no one can achieve and maintain for long.

      Plus you blame feminism for things that anti-feminists want. Anti-feminists do not want equality (but they certainly will use the equality that feminists fought for), they want to go back to the 1950s or earlier. You do realise that there is a difference between the two movements right? Or are you confused by the fact that women comprise the majority of both movements?

      • Trad-cons, liberal-cons, so-cons are “confidence tricksters”.
        Until women are held accountable for their poor choices, society will continue to deteriorate.
        After all…
        “A nation cannot be half slave and half free”.

        • ^ See why I say equality is so difficult? ‘Cause women won’t listen to what men have to say, when the men that are saying the things that are difficult to listen to… ARE NOT THE MEN THAT THE WOMEN ARE INTERESTED IN, but certainly take money off of, through taxes and welfare.

        • It is kind of hard to talk to someone if they are not making sense.

          What part of “until women are held accountable for their poor choices…” has anything to do with my point that there are more than one movement involving women and society?

      • ” they want to go back to the 1950s or earlier.

        the Fraud of Feminism came out in 1913, iirc default father custody changed before that, so even earlier.

        • The concept of equality of the sexes has been going on for a very long time. In fact what happened in 1913 was the creation of the Federal Reserve Bank, a public private mixed bank to help regulate the American economy.

          You are getting your conspiracies mixed up. Sorry.

      • even if feminism wants men to acknowledge women as people and not goddessses, it’s they who see men less than people and thus boys and men need to work to get to the level of human beings to enter the post-feminist society.
        fuck them to hell.

      • “Putting a woman on a pedestal is pretty sexist.”

        Feminism not only expects another form of chivalry, it demands it. It’s about female supremacy and having women possess license and control while men are still held responsible—even for things they never did (collective bigotry, like the campaign of “men can stop rape” for example).

        “Anti-feminists do not want equality (but they certainly will use the equality that feminists fought for), they want to go back to the 1950s or earlier.”

        Logical fallacy. I grew up seeking some kind of social and legal equity between the sexes, and the concept that feminism is about equality is a huge lie they have convinced themselves of believing. It’s feminists that want the upper hand on every level and even will fight ceaselessly for things like reproductive rights when men have virtually none.

        • What kind of chivalry are you talking about? That feminists think if a guy has a kid he should support that kid? Or the part where feminists think if a guy hits a woman he should be stopped from hitting that woman? Oh, I see, because biologically women have to bear children, it somehow means that men are unable to have any choice reproductively. Which is not true-men have the right to get a vasectomy, they can elect to use condoms or they can simply tell the woman no when she asks for sex. In fact Robert Palmer had a song about it. The issue of abortion and women having the right to terminate when men do not-that is because men cannot bear children physically. How is that the fault of feminists?

          And no, not logical fallacy at all. If you read the writings/interviews of someone like Mrs. Schafly she quite literally thinks that men should be forced to support their wives and children. That women should expect and demand this from a guy. That is something feminists do NOT like because they think couples should be able to make a choice for the woman to work, the man to stay home, both work or the woman stays home and the man works. It should not be forced on anyone.

        • That choice for one person to stay at home was taken from men and women the moment women entered the workplace. Yay for women?
          But men also gained a great advantage from feminism:
          They no longer had to be tied down to a soul-draining existence through their job to support a woman who was only there for them because she was economically dependent on them.

          After all, feminists say that the time men were the only ones working, was the bad old days, right?

          Ergo, the opportunity for women to be in soul-draining jobs must be the great future. They can finally be with a man only for love. And I suppose in their first sexual relationship… they are.

          Then they start to calculate that money is more important than love, but the last guy they are with is going to pay the price for all of her experimentation with the Sex and the City lifestyle. But in order for her to get the best price she has to treat all men she (and her committee) don’t find appealing, by grinding them down with emotional terrorism.

          Aha, she thinks, when I have nothing to offer a man I really want, then I shall work on those men who are starved of my company (O RLY, YA RLY), marry one of them, and then I can either keep up with affairs or divorce his ass, and still get money from him.

          Sorry to say, but the men who are not wanted are waking up to that. Some of them go overseas. Some of them build themselves up to be the players you love to hate. Some of them play videogames and pay you no mind. And some of them, to live by justice see that your unique kind of evil which causes so much harm on a mental and physical level to men… will not let your nonsense stand.

          You’re not going to manage to build a sustainable society when men are expected to excuse women their faults, but women are considered equal to men, and women are in competition with men for jobs, but companies are afraid to hire the best person for the job (and this affects women who have families but aren’t working themselves… and when they choose the woman who is prettier but less skilled over a woman who is uglier but more skilled)

          Yay feminism!

      • Er, you do realize that the realities of dimorphic sex preclude any notion of true sexual equality, by evolutionary necessity?

        But, women have never wanted equality – here ‘equality’ is a euphemism for ‘privilege’.

        The common female agenda behind female ‘sufferance’ was not anything so idealistic(if impossible) as ‘equality’ – they merely wanted the increased sexual opportunities that greater economic independence and political leverage would accord them.

        • @ paragon

          Your comments are great. I’ll feature some of them on my site.

          However with a lot of them it’s not clear to whom or about what you’re responding to. The way the commenting thread is set up here, one can’t tell whom you’re responding to. For example in this case there are half a dozen comments above yours and it’s not clear to which you’re responding to.

          You can quote the thought you’re responding to or if you’re responding to a person generally, use the AT sign like I did in this comment addressing you.

        • Thanks – I’ve noticed that.

          I will take some care in the future to provide quotations of whom I am addressing.

  2. 1. You chase women you have no hope in hell obtaining. In other words you go after the most beautiful women you know-not the average Janes. And then act in a manner that is inappropriate after you are rejected.

    2. When you do deign to ask out the average Janes, you do so in a manner that insults them or treats them like they should be grovelling at your feet for the fact you did deign to ask them out.

    3. That kind of behavior does get around. Even when dating online.

    4. You completely refuse to pay attention to nonverbal clues when around women. When they start showing they are not interested in continuing on a conversation or date, you persist.

    5. You act in a manner that would be considered creepy but ignore how another person would perceive your actions (or refuse to put yourself in the other person’s shoes) so fail to change your behavior. Either from arrogance or sheer laziness.

    6. You never have considered women to be people-people who get upset when someone refuses to respect or listen to them.

    7. You have no personality. You have few interests and cannot effectively engage with women about them.

    There are other reasons I am sure.

    Also, I know a guy who was still a virgin at 32 (not by choice, he really really wanted to get laid) but he never went anywhere, had no personality, was pretty unattractive (no showering or brushing your teeth everyday? ew!) and had even less intellectual curiosity. He did not blame women for his lack of sex or dating history. Which is partly why he is no longer a virgin and has been involved with more than one woman. Has been with his current lady for over six months.

    Actually he is not the only 30+ year old male virgin(s) I knew/know and none of them have the type of personality that oozes through this blog of yours. My best friend who could have lost it 13 years ago (he is waiting until he gets married) was stood up 26 times in a row and he never became bitter like you are.

    So I can easily see that the issue with pre and post sexual harassment charges has always laid with you for the reasons outlined and things I probably am missing.

    • I can see that a woman who has in her mind the idea that by virtue of his birth or circumstance a man deserves to be oppressed, is someone that probably has a personality disorder.

      Let’s start with your points, one by one:
      1. If you chase women you “have a hope of obtaining”? If you’re going to go through the same crap as that of “chasing the women you have no hope in hell of obtaining”… maybe you should pick the better looking model if that’s the case. Because normal or ugly women think sex with the alpha is a “relationship”. If the outcome means you’re going to lose, and you think the game is worth playing… play the game with the best looking woman. DUH!

      2. See point #1.

      3. No, that behaviour gets spread among women and their secret society, which amazingly is no help stopping serial killers or murderers or rapists.
      As a matter of fact… if 25% of all women going to college are going to be raped, that means the remaining 75% of women are probably dating a rapist. Therefore, we can say that women love criminals. (Do you see what I did there with the dumbass feminist statistics, ahahahaha). Unless of course you have equality in mind, then we can say that some men are probably dating rapists(women) but in much fewer numbers than that of women dating men who are rapists and criminals.

      4. Don’t women want a man who pursues them? After all, if she’s good enough to catch your eye, you should show her you are interested. Or does that mean “She only wants men she is attracted to, to pursue her” But if she is attracted to the man, wouldn’t she be pursuing him? Your feminine logic MAKES NO SENSE.

      5. “Considered creepy?” Where is that list of creepy behaviour, and is it NOW endorsed? Again, see point #4. The only time the behaviour is creepy, IS FROM A MAN YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN. But at the same time, you want the men to crowd around you like a bee. Indicates the mentality of a user.

      6. You have never considered men to be people. That’s why you have no respect for them.

      7. You can tell whether a person has personality, through a blog? If he told you all about himself, you might put a false rape accusation on him, or get your boyfriend to beat him up. If women were so interested in diverse things, how come so few of them are in the hard sciences or working with computers? And if women were truly egalitarian in their mate choices… why are so many people with technical qualifications single?

      He did not blame women for his lack of sex or dating history.
      Most men have sex with other women. Not other men. We’re not “blaming women for lack of sex”. We’re blaming women for poisoning the well through relational aggression, reputation assassinating. That makes it impossible for even a relationship to START. Teeheehee, women, they do that very well!

      You have a best friend that is a virgin probably because he is not interested in you as you are not. I have best friends who are not virgins, I am not sexually interested in them as we are not sexually equal. After all, when there are no shared values, the relationship will not be stable!

      • 1. Pretty interesting assumptions there about someone going after an average Jane. See generally women who spend a lot of time making themselves incredibly attractive demand a lot in return for the effort they put into their looks. The average Jane? Maybe if she is just as delusional as the guy who refuses to make even a token effort to be attractive (like bathing daily) and expects the supermodels of the world to just fall into his lap. However the average Jane is not like that. Some are content with a guy who puts as little effort into his looks as she does and instead use that time to go do fun stuff they both enjoy. If you do not know any women who are like that, you obviously are ignoring them on purpose because it makes it easier to hate all women.

        3. *rolls eyes* yes, if you are an asshole, eventually people will notice that you are asshole and refuse to put up with you. And guys will tell their female friends to not date you just as much as their female friends.

        4. Women have been taught men are suppose to chase (which is stupid and puts too much pressure on men when it should be “do you like this person? ask them out” regardless of gender of person asking.) Men have been taught they are supposed to chase. And so the cycle continues. It might help if guys were a lot more open about the fact that they are okay with being chased themselves. Because if they are not and you ask them out, they tend to be pretty vicious with their rejections.

        5. Apparently you are one of the ones who does not get the concept of creepy. Part of it is objective. The guy who looks like a movie serial killer is going to be obviously creepy. The guy who looks like this guy will not be obviously creepy. And yet that is the BTK killer.

        Some of the obvious things are-look at the eyes when talking to a woman, do not stare at women at a bar (apparently there is a three second rule?), respect personal space and pay attention to what women actually say and not just what you wish they were saying.

        6. And you know this how? Because I do not respect an individual who identifies as male? That is a far sight different then disrespecting an entire gender.

        7. False reporting is a felony, wastes police time and is not worth the hassle. Also my gentleman caller is not the type to beat anyone up nor would that help him obtain his final degree in electrical engineering. And there was a study a few months ago that explained why women were uninterested in the hard sciences. It is the same reason why women are very unwilling to go into mines and other traditionally “masculine” areas of work-no, not because they are scared of getting dirty. It is because they get treated horrendously. YOU may be willing to work where men leave dildos in your locker, YOU may be willing to have people automatically discount what you say, YOU may be willing to put up with the vast majority of crap that is dealt out to women when they go into things like the hard sciences, but they are not.

        As for why many men with technical qualifications are single, the typical reason is shyness, lack of well rounded interests and finally, many refuse to even ask a woman out out of fear of rejection.

        ? on the best friend-he is not uninterested in sex, he is uninterested in having sex before marriage. He has had plenty of opportunities, he simply believes in waiting.

        • 1. I walk past women on my way to work. I must be ignoring them. By that same token, the pizza delivery folks must be ignoring a lot of women too. They are free to stop me if they want to chat, we live in an age of equality.

          3. You mean, an asshole who is not “approved of” Read the bit about rapists and criminals again, kthxbai.

          4. That doesn’t hold water because so few women are actually asking men out, or they are only asking out the men that already have plenty of offers or are even in a relationship with someone else. Mate poaching is how many women have gotten the man they want… because another woman was with the guy at the time, thus validating the lady poacher’s choice. Doesn’t that mean that women want a cheater, when the cheater is with them?

          5. 3 second rule is a pickup artist concept. Thanks for proving to men once more that they work, and don’t complain that you wind up with a pickup artist BECAUSE they are the kind of men that you want.

          6. I reply to your point in the same way. How do you know I don’t respect women? I love my mother, and she tells me that many women of my generation are extremely manipulative, rude and irresponsible. So is my mother actually a man then? That would be amazing, I want to be famous and in the newspapers. Please let me know who to contact for my free publicity and increased sex appeal, ahahahahaha…

          7. The same reason why men don’t want to go into nursing, fashion design or childcare. False pedophile accusations last a lot longer than your “dildo in my locker”. And a lot of women love their dildos and have no shame saying they use them, while it’s likely that men with sex toys are laughed at. See the misandry?

          8. No, the men with technical qualifications have tried, many times. Then they get it in their head that maybe the women they are around to ask, are really the kind of women that enjoy playing men like fiddles and humiliating them and asking for favours, while doing nothing for them in return.

          Good, your best friend is just like me then. I refuse to be married to a woman who is not a virgin, and I refuse to have sex before marriage! Badum-tish!

        • It might help if guys were a lot more open about the fact that they are okay with being chased themselves. Because if they are not and you ask them out, they tend to be pretty vicious with their rejections.

          Bullshit.

          Women keep inventing rationalizations to justify their laziness. Men are 10000000000000000000x nicer about rejections than women.

          There’s even studies on this. Men both say yes much much much much much more often and are much nicer about it. You will never fucking see a guy rolling his eyes or turning his back at a woman that approached him.

          It just doesn’t happen – but women do it all the time. You’re quickly losing respect by lying so much and being so deceitful.

        • 5. Apparently you are one of the ones who does not get the concept of creepy. Part of it is objective. The guy who looks like a movie serial killer is going to be obviously creepy. The guy who looks like this guy will not be obviously creepy. And yet that is the BTK killer.

          Some of the obvious things are-look at the eyes when talking to a woman, do not stare at women at a bar (apparently there is a three second rule?), respect personal space and pay attention to what women actually say and not just what you wish they were saying.

          Bullshit.

          I’ve proven several times that there is no such thing as objectively creepy.

          The guy who looks like a movie serial killer is going to be obviously creepy

          OMG THATS SO OBJECTIVE. I THINK THEY’RE INTRODUCING IT IN THE INTERNATIONAL SYSTEM OF UNITS next year.

          Some of the obvious things are-look at the eyes when talking to a woman, do not stare at women at a bar

          Bullshit.

          See, there’s a great example of something that’s subjective. I HAVE female friends who PREFER a man look at and smile at them first for a few minutes or even half an hour (if done sporadically) before he talks to them, so as that she has time to get ready for it.

          I know women who prefer a man just imediatelly walk up to her with prior warning.

          Here’s the fucking trick

          -> The one who likes being warned before approached will call you creepy if you DONT look at her and eye-flirt first.

          -> The one who likes to be approached immediatelly will call you creepy if you tried to eye-flirt first.

          DO YOU GET IT? THE EXACT OPPOSITE BEHAVIOUR makes you creepy in one woman than in another.

        • 5. Apparently you are one of the ones who does not get the concept of creepy. Part of it is objective. The guy who looks like a movie serial killer is going to be obviously creepy.

          No one looks like a “movie serial killer”. You may not know this, but Hollywood produces FICTION.

        • I would also like to elaborate on this whole strawman meme that typical AFCs are somehow hindering themselves by pursuing women who are exceptionally attractive.

          Controlled testing(as well as agreement within a broad evolutionary synthesis) supports the conclusion that large populations of *women* opportunistically tend to small populations of ‘choice’ males in their mate choices – rendering an acutely imbalanced mating dynamic, given the opportunity.

          So, whatever reality you purport to be observing(ie. where the cause is down to male ‘pickiness’), is in stark disagreement with anything approaching scientific inquiry.

    • 2. When you do deign to ask out the average Janes, you do so in a manner that insults them or treats them like they should be grovelling at your feet for the fact you did deign to ask them out.

      Nope, that’s just your insecurity speaking. Me and every guy who has tested this has found out that it’s actually EASIER to get and pickup the most beatiful women. You know why?

      Because average-janes are extremely insecure and act defensive and bitchy when you talk to them. THEY ARE SO INSECURE that they can’t believe they’re being talked to, so they start making up insecure paranoid fantasies like you just did.

      Here’s a clue… Tastes are subjective.

      Here’s another clue. My dick often gets harder looking at some average jane than the hot blonde. In fact, some of the women that attract me the most tend to be artsy-type chicks, not the cheerleader types. But the fucking cheerleader-type is 10x easier to pickup because she doesn’t have your insecurities. She reacts well when she’s approached instead of assuming ill intent.

      • Damn, this reminds me of my last date 100%. She could not believe I like her, because guess what, she did not think of herself as good looking. This was an utter downer for me, I quit my advances shortly after that. I do not want to experience other expressions of her insecurity to be honest.

        • It’s a good way for them to extract value from the relationship, then end it with the “it’s not you, it’s me”. “You deserve better” “You are such a nice guy” “Let’s just be friends”. (She thinks): No, even though we are now friends, I won’t go to the movies or anywhere else with you. You will be contacted at my need or convenience, if you try to get in touch with me I will either ignore you, tell my friends you are harassing me, or hide around the buildings and pretend I don’t see you, or give you a death-stare/stink-eye and one-word replies to anything you say to me.

          Ah, yeah. With friendship like that…

        • I did not quite wait for that: ‘you are such a nice guy’ moment. I have better things to do than waste my time.

    • Also, I know a guy who was still a virgin at 32 (not by choice, he really really wanted to get laid) but he never went anywhere, had no personality, was pretty unattractive (no showering or brushing your teeth everyday? ew!) and had even less intellectual curiosity. He did not blame women for his lack of sex or dating history. Which is partly why he is no longer a virgin and has been involved with more than one woman. Has been with his current lady for over six months.

      Actually he is not the only 30+ year old male virgin(s) I knew/know and none of them have the type of personality that oozes through this blog of yours. My best friend who could have lost it 13 years ago (he is waiting until he gets married) was stood up 26 times in a row and he never became bitter like you are.

      And how would you know this? Lol. You do realize men don’t actually talk like this around women right? Your friends might have had blogs just like this, and you would have never known.

      You think White&Nerdy talks around his mom and female acquintances like this? Lol!! Let me let you in on a little secret. Most men think like this privately and talk like this among male friends.

      • Oh so most men hate females? *rolls eyes* No wonder you guys think we hate men-you are projecting your own views onto us.

        • Well, initiating divorces ~75% of the time,
          False rape accusations
          Treatment that only goes one way (what’s wrong with having a boy in the Girl Guides, are you afraid all the girls will pluck each others’ eyes out to be with him?)
          Laughing at men getting their penises chopped off
          Saying a man “can learn from being falsely accused of rape”
          Telling the man that “you are the only person responsible for what happens in your relationship”
          “Men are rapists, that’s all they’ll ever be”…
          No need for men to hate women, because with all the nonsense that women are doing to make relationships harder…
          women are hating women now.
          Yay feminism!

        • Oh so most men hate females?

          Poster, you are by far the most dishonest straw-manner I’ve ever encountered in my life, and I see a ton of them.

          I just searched the phrase “most men hate females” and “most men hate women” and neither appears on the page anywhere. Zero matches found.

          In fact, neither my post, nor the block of text I was quoting from you contained the word “hate” anywhere.

          So, why did you choose to lie so profusely and make up stuff out of thin air? If you didn’t understand what I was talking about, that’s fine, and you could have asked “alek, what do you mean by ‘most guys think like that’ “? Seeing that the phrase “hate” isn’t mentioned anywhere, you completely made it up.

    • “What kind of chivalry are you talking about? That feminists think if a guy has a kid he should support that kid?”

      If it wasn’t for feminists, men would not be in situations like custody battles and fighting for visitation rights, or have to pay child support for kids they see on a limited or even no basis.

      When it comes to women, it’s always about their choice, not men’s. If guy should support a child, he should and even the state/legal system will go after him even if he has second thoughts. A woman can have an abortion, raise a child by herself, try to stay with a man, or when it presents itself, get the machinery of the state to extract CS. In some cases there are women who can make “drop offs” to hospitals if they feel they cannot finanically support a child and didn’t abort.

      Where are the same rights for men?

      “Or the part where feminists think if a guy hits a woman he should be stopped from hitting that woman?”

      I spoke nothing about DV. But you if knew the stats women start domestic violence by an edge more than men, and women still don’t always get punished in the same manner has men for the same type of assault. VAWA and the fact that the cops often arrest a man—even if she started an altercation—are more basic examples of blatant inequity.

      “Oh, I see, because biologically women have to bear children, it somehow means that men are unable to have any choice reproductively.”

      Compared to women, it’s nowhere near the same power. Don’t blow smoke.

      “Which is not true-men have the right to get a vasectomy, they can elect to use condoms or they can simply tell the woman no when she asks for sex.”

      A vasovasostomy (for someone who wants to have children in the future) holds no promise of being fertile and impregnating a woman. Using condoms are better than nothing but does not afford the same sexual reproductive power women possess in general. And simply telling a woman no for sex . . . hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Of course, men are supposed to believe they have hit the jackpot when a woman wants them, and women take sexual rejection FAR more badly than men as a whole.

      BTW, do you know what it’s like to be a man with a vasectomy? You don’t one bit. There are women who will not date you because they still don’t have a choice about getting pregnant, “accidental” or what not. I’ve seen women openly mock men that are sterile because “well, at least that scumbag isn’t making more scubags” or “who would want to breed with him, anyway?” Women that were OPENLY FEMINIST.

      “In fact Robert Palmer had a song about it. The issue of abortion and women having the right to terminate when men do not-that is because men cannot bear children physically. How is that the fault of feminists?”

      They pull the biology card just as you have done, and does nothing to dissuade anyone that women still have more power in sexual reproduction. Congrats, you’ve helped make make my argument even more stronger.

      “And no, not logical fallacy at all”

      Because you said so? You don’t even have a counterpoint here.

      Do you understand the assertion I made? Of course, you don’t. Because female supremacy is a given with you and anything less is considered inequality for women even if it still favors women!

      “If you read the writings/interviews of someone like Mrs. Schafly she quite literally thinks that men should be forced to support their wives and children.”

      So feminists have the state uses men’s funds to support women (and children, so sort) while disempowering the father’s role.

      “That women should expect and demand this from a guy. That is something feminists do NOT like because they think couples should be able to make a choice for the woman to work, the man to stay home, both work or the woman stays home and the man works. It should not be forced on anyone.”

      That sounds nice on paper but it really doesn’t happen in reality that much. Mr. Mom was a fun film, but . . .

    • 1. You chase women you have no hope in hell obtaining. In other words you go after the most beautiful women you know-not the average Janes. And then act in a manner that is inappropriate after you are rejected.

      You obviously don’t understand men. We learn pretty early that going after supermodels isn’t a winning strategy for getting dates.

      2. When you do deign to ask out the average Janes, you do so in a manner that insults them or treats them like they should be grovelling at your feet for the fact you did deign to ask them out.
      3. That kind of behavior does get around. Even when dating online.

      Again, you have no idea what a man’s life is like.

      4. You completely refuse to pay attention to nonverbal clues when around women. When they start showing they are not interested in continuing on a conversation or date, you persist.

      Given how much I avoid women, obviously this doesn’t happen. I have had women I have never intereacted with issue a false sexual harassment accusation against me, so this is wrong.

      5. You act in a manner that would be considered creepy but ignore how another person would perceive your actions (or refuse to put yourself in the other person’s shoes) so fail to change your behavior. Either from arrogance or sheer laziness.

      There is no objective definition of “creepy”. A “creepy” man is just a man a woman thinks is unattractive.

      6. You never have considered women to be people-people who get upset when someone refuses to respect or listen to them.

      I have said that I used to think of women as equals so you’re wrong here too.

      7. You have no personality. You have few interests and cannot effectively engage with women about them.

      And you know this how? You don’t so you’re full of shit. And you’re wrong again.

      Also, I know a guy who was still a virgin at 32 (not by choice, he really really wanted to get laid) but he never went anywhere, had no personality, was pretty unattractive (no showering or brushing your teeth everyday? ew!) and had even less intellectual curiosity. He did not blame women for his lack of sex or dating history. Which is partly why he is no longer a virgin and has been involved with more than one woman. Has been with his current lady for over six months.

      Actually he is not the only 30+ year old male virgin(s) I knew/know and none of them have the type of personality that oozes through this blog of yours. My best friend who could have lost it 13 years ago (he is waiting until he gets married) was stood up 26 times in a row and he never became bitter like you are.

      I have known lots of older male virgins and we all agree that telling women we’re virgins is a very bad idea so I know you’re full of shit on this too.

    • And what is your evidence for these claims(ie. claims are trivial, justifications are a bitch)?

      Sounds like knee-jerk female apologism(without any justified basis) to me, shifting the onus onto the non-limiting sex(ie. a male).

      Consider that females are the reproductively limiting sex(rate limiting in reproductive success) – which manifests in *all* dimensions of mate choice(in other words, females are more selective in all their mating considerations).

      Thus, speculations that nerdy is somehow maladaptively ‘choosy’ cannot be the parsimonious conclusion.

      And I can gurantee you, that any male incels you have known were just as resentful as any guy here(as any male would be, justifiably) – that you failed to observe any indication of these sentiments(since most guys are savvy enough not to flaunt them in unsympathetic company), says nothing.

      Finally, consider the evidence that females tend to preferentially mate with males who exhibit antisocial tendencies:

      “Good genes, mating effort, and delinquency”
      (Martin L. Lalumièrea and Vernon L. Quinseyb
      a Forensic Program, Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, 250
      College Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M5T 1R8;b Department of Psychology, Queen’s University at Kingston, Humphrey Hall, Kingston, Ontario, Canada, K7L 3N6.)

      What the study shows is that females appear attracted to certain rogue behavioral tendencies(antisocial delinquency, etc.) because they have become correlated with male physical attractiveness(I can elaborate).

      Now, what should that tell us of your naive assumptions?

  3. Any man who doesn’t want to be stuck with the bill of a lifetime of partying, sex with other men, diseases, mental issues, degraded physical attractiveness, college/university debts, lovely footwear and designer dresses, subscription to gossip magazines, birth control pills, diet pills, breast/vagina/face enhancements…
    is a man that women hate.
    If you are not a man who is willing to pay for them and get nothing (or a liability) in return…
    They seethe in their hearts to take revenge on such men by denying them the ability to earn a living (by running down his qualifications), have relationships with others (through relational aggression), or the right to a peaceful life (false rape accusations).
    It’s you and us against damn near 100% of the women, and the 20% alpha men and the beta men who will sell out other men, and every blackhearted opportunist who uses religion or traditional values to say men are responsible for everything, women are not responsible for anything, but men and women are equal.
    Until and unless a woman is not going to be a burden to you,
    she is.
    And therefore, she has no respect for you. It usually gets worse from there.
    Remember… you never lose women chasing money. You always lose money chasing women.

  4. The statement, “because you are a misogynistic asshole” is ridiculous.

    If it were true that women NEVER dated woman-haters – then ALL domestic violence would be the fault of the woman.

    And, from personal observations, I have noticed that many women are actually attracted to woman-haters – and find woman-worshippers to be revolting. Think of the “Dear Woman” video.

    When they make a statement like “because you are a misogynistic asshole”, they are just telling themselves what they want to hear.

    • That’s an insight I failed, Richard. Amazing, this should enter the manosphere as Richard’s Rebuttal:
      “If it were true that women NEVER dated woman-haters – then ALL domestic violence would be the fault of the woman.”

      Once again, amazing!

  5. I agree with a lot of the previous commenters. It should also be added that women only want a guy that other women want. This truism was hammered home to me for the very first time when I was a sophomore in college. I lived in a co-ed dorm, and was friendly with almost everyone in the dorm. We went out to dinner, to parties, played basketball, etc. Though all the girls in my dorm thought I was fun to hang out with, none of them had deemed me Mr. Sexy. This was the circumstances from September to December.

    In January, I started dating an attractive woman who lived off-campus. Immediately, I was deemed Mr. Sexy by several women in my dorm. Nothing else had changed about me, other than that. Suddenly, I had valentines passed under my door, flirty greetings on my way to class, and one girl even knocked on my door late one night in sexy pajamas wanting to “spend some time with me.” (I didn’t take her up on it.)

    Very few women have the honesty or the self-awareness to even admit their vaginas operate somewhat like a personality cult. Of course, there are many other factors related to this…

    I know in the past you’ve said that you don’t want to hire a prostitute. But there are services you can hire that will provide you with a “wing woman,” meaning an attractive woman who will go out with you to help you raise your status around other women. Of course, I don’t feel there’s anything wrong with being single. But it may be an option for you.

    • I know in the past you’ve said that you don’t want to hire a prostitute. But there are services you can hire that will provide you with a “wing woman,” meaning an attractive woman who will go out with you to help you raise your status around other women. Of course, I don’t feel there’s anything wrong with being single. But it may be an option for you.

      I think WN needs to do a few of these things just to expand his awareness.

      For a lot of his beliefs he keeps saying “but nothing would change anyway”… I think he should do a few of these things just to “prove himself right”.

      For example, he can hire a wingwoman as well as do an escort, just to “prove” to us that nothing changes and women will still treat him the same.

      • I think every man should sleep with a prostitute at least once, just so he learns how non-golden and non-holy two tits and a vagina are. Not that I’m implying Omega is pedestalizing women or anything.

        As many guys have here, I spent most of my teenage years hopelessly frustrated doing all the things men are taught to do by society. Then I lost the pedestaling behavior, and started to occasionally get girlfriends. Then I started treating women like the annoying and pathetic human beings they are, and I was juggling 4, 5, 6 girls at a time. Now I’m MGTOW and I know I’m better off without them.

        • Exactly. I think everyone should do it once just out of curiosity and as an awareness-expending experience. Nothing more.

        • Instead of sleeping with one, actually, you should have sex with her instead.

          sex is more fun than sleeping.

          I remember my first sex experience was with a prostitute (legal where I lived) – I lost a lot of respect for a lot of my friends after it…

        • The only thing women are succeeding at doing when they treat men badly,
          is making men more immune to their wiles.
          The law of unintended consequences, it has some funny effects.

        • The only thing women are succeeding at doing when they treat men badly,
          is making men more immune to their wiles.
          The law of unintended consequences, it has some funny effects.

          Exactly. It’s funny. A lot of the women who do that shit, do it in order to “control” or mold men into being a certain way.

          But instead of making men act differently around women, it just makes many more men just not want to even be around women. HAR HAR…

          Law of unintended consequences indeed, har har 😀

      • When it comes to hookers not making a difference, this isn’t a “belief” of mine. I know other guys in my situation who have tried hookers. There hasn’t been a single case where hookers made a difference. Technically, they aren’t virgins anymore, but they’re still stuck in the same place I am.

        • And I personally have a file of several dozen older virgin friends who’s lives changed for it.

          There was even a column in the dailymail by a journalist who couldn’t get a date in 20years no matter what he tried. He did escorts for about a year “he fucked like crazy” and when he was done he started getting dates like crazy.

        • You’re not going to hear from the guy who didn’t get any results from hookers in the Daily Mail. Plus, I know the men who have tried hookers with no results. That means a lot more than a vague group of men I know nothing about.

          Some of them even ran into problems like not being able to get it up with the hooker even though they have no erectile difficulties. For that reason alone hookers can be a panacea.

        • WN you’re playing your typical cute little game that you like to play.

          It’s where you justify one extreme with another.

          I never fucking said that getting a hooker once is a panacea that solves all problems for all men who ever try it. Not even close.

          I said it works for a lot of guys. And I know it makes no difference for many others.

          The point is, if you say it won’t work, you’re lying, coz you don’t know. Nobody knows. The only way you’ll now is if you try it.

          But the thing is, you have an excuse and elaborate paranoid irrational story against trying anything quantifiable. It’s always “it won’t work” or “I’m too old”.

          Truth is, you don’t fucking know. Maybe nothing will work for you. But at least you’ll have the piece of mind of knowing you did try shit. How the fuck does it not bother you to sit there knowing you never tried anything of anything?

        • Truth is, you don’t fucking know. Maybe nothing will work for you. But at least you’ll have the piece of mind of knowing you did try shit. How the fuck does it not bother you to sit there knowing you never tried anything of anything?

          Hypothetically, if I had already tried going to a hooker and ended up with disasterous results, I wouldn’t want to discuss the details of it so openly especially when it can be used as fodder by my enemies. Speaking hypothetically, of course.

  6. I don’t think that you were all that great in the past. I bet you’ve always acted like this, telling people how great you are. Better to just be who you are. The chance that you really respected women, and came to “see them for what they really are” is pretty slim.

    That’s the reason they treated you the same way in the past. You’ve always been like this, but now you aren’t trying to hide it.

    • That’s a common rationalization women come up with to justify being bullies toward shy and introverted guys.

      “Oh, you must have subconciously hated women without even knowing it”.

      Tell you me this, if women supposedly have such amazing intuition that they can predict a guy will hate them 10 years from now – how come so many of them end up in violent and abusive relationships?

      By your claim, their intuition was supposed to predict all of it, no?

      Apparently, by your logic, women treated WN like crap, because they knew that after treating him like crap and bullying him for 10 years, he would finally start disliking them back?

      • Apparently, by your logic, women treated WN like crap, because they knew that after treating him like crap and bullying him for 10 years, he would finally start disliking them back?

        In a few days I’m going to have a post on this that I’m calling “the feminist time machine”.

  7. This is the comment which makes me think this, more than anything:

    Any man who doesn’t want to be stuck with the bill of a lifetime of partying, sex with other men, diseases, mental issues, degraded physical attractiveness, college/university debts, lovely footwear and designer dresses, subscription to gossip magazines, birth control pills, diet pills, breast/vagina/face enhancements…
    is a man that women hate.

    Right. Women are soiled by men… but men, you don’t seem to disagree with guys who say they ought to sleep with prostitutes, and the “bill of a lifetime” for all the shit the dudes did.

    That’s the reason women don’t like you. You don’t like women.

    • That’s the reason women don’t like you. You don’t like women.

      So women knew that if they treated him like crap and bullied him for 10 years and found faults with him, he would finally dislike them back and start finding faults in them too?

      So they were treating him badly in advance? Isn’t that kind of like in that Tom Cruise movie. What is this, pre-crime?

    • We don’t mind being stuck with the woman who grew with us.
      We do mind being with a woman who only want to be with us when no other man wants her.
      Don’t you see a problem with that?
      Or do you think the last man she’s with has to pay for all her previous bad decisions?

      You are acting as if the woman wasn’t mentally present when she chose to sleep with other men. She has no responsibility for her choices.

      Are you trying to say that women are not equal to men? I thought women fought for equality, and that also means responsibility for your decisions.
      Or do you think women should only be equal when it comes to privileges, but not responsibilities?
      That’s sexist. Are you a sexist?

    • The actual truth is, a lot of this is miscommunication. I recently hooked up with 2 women who used to treat me like crap back when I knew them earlier in my life (I was super introverted and shy back then, this is my teens and early 20s).

      Back then they mocked me, bullied me, treated me like crap and were incredibly vile towards me. So I discussed this with them…

      Guess what they revealed? They both had crushes on me back then and thought that I thought I was “too good for them”. They thought that I disliked them.

      Why did they get this silly idea when I actually liked them? Because I was averting their gaze and eyes and I was quiet. They interpreted my shyness as dislike and disrespect.

      So in essence, they were treating me like shit in RESPONSE to perceived dislike from me. They were being rejecting in response to “my rejection” which never existed. They mis-interpreted my introversion.

      Women do that a lot. They mis-interpret introversion as all sorts of evil qualities that they then ascribe onto the guy.

      -> They take an introverted guy
      -> They then project ALL SORTS OF evil and bad qualities onto him
      -> Then then punish him for having “all those bad qualities” while blaming him for it.

      From his perspective, he spends 10-20 years being treated like crap by women for no apparent reason, and then finally snaps and dislikes them back too. He starts projecting all sorts of bad and negative qualities back at them.

      That’s then used as “evidence” he was always a bad seed to begin with…

      LOL! A clusterfuck of insanity.

      • It does make it a lot easier for them to treat the guy badly, when they treat him badly and he behaves angrily. “Oh, I don’t like you because you are angry, I only like nice boys”. LOL! Justification after doing wrong is what some are very good at, others will just act as if nothing happen, then get angry and say “I don’t know why I did that, but you’re making me uncomfortable asking me about my actions!”

        Did those women apologise for how they treated you earlier, or did they stick with the script of “woman is eternally right, man is forever a wrongdoing wretch?”

        • Yeah, I hear a great rebuttal to that:
          “You don’t learn anything by observing. You learn by doing”.

          To which I reply, you don’t have to put your hand into flames to know you’ll hurt yourself, you don’t have to deal with people on the make to know … they’ll try to HURT YOU.

    • When prostitution is legal, the women are required to use condoms and go in for monthly std checkups. That’s more protection than a man gets picking up women in a church social.

  8. Is it just me, or does it seem like the female (or at least feminist) definition of a “good guy” is “somebody who swallows all women’s bullshit with a smile on his face and asks for seconds” and the second that man stands up for himself or dares to express any dissatisfaction he’s suddenly a hateful misogynist? 😛

    • remember the old saying “A woman is always allowed to change her mind!” and “My presence is my gift to you!”
      Welcome to the page, Johnny_B and have a look around!

  9. “remember the old saying “A woman is always allowed to change her mind!” and “My presence is my gift to you!””

    Indeed. Thanks for the welcome!

    And may I say what utter tripe this “I bet you hated women all along” schtick is? I mean, really? That’s the best explanation? That’s like saying “If people start to resent me for acting like an ass, it means they probably hated me all along and just didn’t show it!” It’s just… I don’t even know what kind of logic is needed to get to that conclusion.

    AlekNovy’s explanation was pretty interesting, and probably a lot closer to the truth in this instance.

    • AlekNovy has a lot of info on his page, and his points to rebut angry and irrational words from entitlement princesses are recommended reading.

      Richard has a lot of life experience written into his blog (his page on shaming tactics is the best I’ve seen still on the web)

      Maybe the reason why more men that women have destructive depression – the kind that makes them commit suicide,
      is because men are always told that their views are wrong
      whereas women are always absolved of responsibility as the man is always in the wrong.

      When the pattern and logic behind this callous behaviour can be discovered, such destructive depression can be halted or even reversed. Of course, this is going to make nasty women less appealing… you can expect they will not be pleased by that turn of events.

      White and Nerdy has done a great thing with this blog, many men should come to it, to understand that “they are not the problem, they are being set up to be the unwitting sponges to be squeezed by people who want their resources, emotions, expertise, time, status and insight, without reciprocating”

  10. Projection is not a masculine trait, too much introspection and projection is at the root of WN’s problems.

    He may think this statement is wrong and I am being an asshole but if he tracks his internal thought processes he will find he is giving too much credence to how others perceive him.

    I know it might sound like new age bullshit but you radiate your own reality (quantum entanglement and all that crap).

    There’s no point rationalizing the irrational, you cannot impose logical on an illogical system.

    My dog took a crap in the kitchen, I bet he didn’t do it to spite me, he did it because he’s a stupid mut.

    • Projection is not a masculine trait, too much introspection and projection is at the root of WN’s problems.

      He may think this statement is wrong and I am being an asshole but if he tracks his internal thought processes he will find he is giving too much credence to how others perceive him.

      I’m not projecting. I’m observing. The reason why I care what others think of me is because I wish to avoid things like prison. If all women were doing was talking shit about me, it wouldn’t be a problem. However, there are things like the false sexual harassment industry and the false rape industry to worry about. Those things can and have destroyed men’s jobs/businesses, freedom, and lives.

      I know it might sound like new age bullshit but you radiate your own reality (quantum entanglement and all that crap).

      It sounds like New Age Bullshit because it is New Age bullshit. You’re abusing quantum mechanics.

      My dog took a crap in the kitchen, I bet he didn’t do it to spite me, he did it because he’s a stupid mut.

      The problem with that analogy is that you can put your dog to sleep when necessary. There is no equivalent option for my situation, at least nothing moral, ethical, or legal.

  11. It’s a silly ad hominem anyway. Misogyny doesn’t stop the studs who call the women they hook up with sluts. Misogyny doesn’t stop the husbands who think their spouses should only ping-pong from the kitchen to the bedroom.

    People will skirt around determining the real issue and evade the question in favor of answers that better fit their worldview and make them feel better.

    • It should be added, that misogyny(inclusive hatred/fear of the female sex), cannot denote anything particular.

      So, hating on *individual* females, or even differentiated subsets of the female population, is not misogyny by any consistently meaningful definition of the word.

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