19 comments on “We’re Going To Leave. We Mean It This Time

  1. ugh, I predict something akin to the Futrelle debate – it won’t be a debate – some insults or innuendos will be exchanged, then – game over.

  2. There are too many horror stories about socially inept men wanting to get laid turned completely weird after studying game.

  3. The guy he’s debating, Frost, is self-proclaimed PUA and self-help extraordinaire, who recently quit his job and moved to Thailand. A trend I’m noticing among gamers is that a lot of them move to less wealthy parts of Asia. Prostitution, much?

    “Unfortunately, the only way the gamers are leaving is at gunpoint.”

    Agree with you here.

    • lol, Dali, thats exactly what I thought when I read Frost was going to Thailand. Roosh is in Poland doing the same thing. Its either poor parts of Asia or poor parts of Eastern Europe. Its obvious why they go, but the insist they are EXCELLENT with women and have much to tell everyone else about how to do it. LOL.

      Nothing wrong with going to poor countries to hook up with more desperate women, but come on – dont pretend you have *mastered* how to get women then!

      • lol, Dali, thats exactly what I thought when I read Frost was going to Thailand. Roosh is in Poland doing the same thing. Its either poor parts of Asia or poor parts of Eastern Europe. Its obvious why they go, but the insist they are EXCELLENT with women and have much to tell everyone else about how to do it. LOL.

        Nothing wrong with going to poor countries to hook up with more desperate women, but come on – dont pretend you have *mastered* how to get women then!

        Let’s not forget that gamers would call men going to poor 2nd and 3rd world countries losers because it meant that they weren’t good with women. With Roosh he once complained about the low quality of women in Washington, DC (which was why he had to leave the US), but PMAFT exposed him as being full of shit and failure by his own game standard.

  4. I like Frost and I think Game has some good points but, man alive, that article is a perfect example of what makes these people so annoying.

    It’s the passive-aggressive attitude of it all. Can’t we all just get along, but by the way, if you’re sceptical of game, it’s becuase you’re bitter.

    A-huh.

    • Every woman complaining about men who cheat (gamers would be such men) is ignoring her responsibility in a relationship.
      Since women keep telling us they have this fantastic “female intuition” and “just know” when it’s true love.

      Women can fix this problem of cheating men, by either:
      1. changing the type of men they choose to be with, or
      2. staying single.

      The fact that most don’t means:
      1. They want a guy to accept them when they’re done having fun (which completely disrespects the idea that you demonstrate respect for the guy you want to build a life with by having had no previous sexual contact with other guys – after all, “True Love Waits”)
      2. They cannot tell the good men apart from the bad (meaning they’re stupid)
      3. They specifically choose the players (meaning they’re liars).

      Gents, virginity tests can be had in the Netherlands.
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383814/Student-sells-virginity-online-45-000-shes-keeping-identity-secret-case-parents-out.html

  5. You’re very observant WN.

    They also keep talking about some unity and how Paul needs to link to game sites because it’s about “shared learning and shared fighting of feminism”

    EXCEPT I got them to admit that gamer sites NEVER mention anti-feminism or MRA. 

    I even got them to admit that they have no interest in promoting MRA to their larger game community. 

    So let me get this straight:

    Their definition of shared learning is “you promote me and send your members our way, but we never promote you or send our members your way”

    • No gamer is ever going to mention “Men’s Rights”.
      They know that the majority of women they interact with are clueless, very demanding and after “fun”(short-term gains).
      The moment you mention that you believe in “Men’s Rights”, you can be sure the women you know have you pegged as someone “dangerous”.
      That’s because most women don’t ever think outside themselves or their immediate gains — women only start talking about “Men’s Rights” when their own fathers, husbands, sons and uncles are affected by it.
      The other reason is because “Men’s Rights” stands in opposition to what people consider “feminism” … and most women value their position in the herd more than any man or abstract idea of justice.

      • I was refering to mentioning it in their “pua lairs” and “pua seminars” and pua forums and blogs (all anonymous venues) – not to people in the outside world.

  6. I saw the debate with manboobz and did not think it in vain.

    A notorious white knight not only lost his temper and resorted to ALL CAPS, he actually fled before the exchanges had finished!
    Imagine a newcomer to the manosphere encountering that debate! We underestimate just how devastating that defeat was for Futrelle. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if even some of his feminist handlers have quietly begun to distance themselves.

    On In Mala Fide, Elam showed up at the challenge thread and commented himself that he was concerned that few minds would be changed, and that he was mainly just indulging Frost’s request.

    But I think it’s not in vain.

    The manosphere has really taken off in just the last two years or so. There’s new people getting sucked into it every day, people who haven’t aligned yet with a tribe.
    People like us who’ve been around for awhile aren’t going to change our minds because of some online debate.
    But we shouldn’t underestimate the potential impact on fence-sitters.

    Furthermore, MRA sites like AVfM have quite a few gamer patrons and game related topics frequently come up in, or even dominate discussion.

    This is a chance for a leader at AVfM to comprehensively lay out their organization’s views concerning game and define its place(or lack thereof) in their community.

    Even if what Frost has to say doesn’t turn out to be anything important, the precedent set at AVfM has the potential to set the tone on their site for some time to come.

    Their community has gained a certain promising momentum within the last year or so. The AVfM tribe is developing very quickly now and this could be an important formative moment.

  7. I would point out actually:

    AVfM recently coined a term ‘Zeta Male.’

    This is a clear jab at the PUA community and an indicator of their intent to distance themselves.

    There has already been a significant policy shift. In the coming debate, I imagine that we will see a continuation of this trend.

    • The gamers complained about why AVfM promotes and supports “zeta” and “mgtow” but not gamers.

      They called the need for AVfM to promote game, a supposed call to “cooperation”.

      One problem – none of those fucks would ever dare bring up an MRA or anti-feminist subject on a PUA forum, in fact, they all admitted they’d never do so.

      In contrast, zeta (mgtow) forums are CHOCK FULL of anti-feminist and mra topics.

      In essence, they expect or want the mra to give puas capital, without the puas reciprocicating – and then they dare label this “cooperation”.

      If pushed they say “oh, but you promote mgtows!” -> leaving out the fact that mgtows promote mra back.

      • As you have said, most PUAs have never heard of mens rights or Roissy. If the PUAs actually supported mens rights then they would be promoting it among PUAs who have never heard of Roissy. They don’t so the only conclusion is that PUAs don’t really support mens rights and are using MRM & MGTOW websites as a recruiting ground for a scam.

  8. I remember reading this piece of harmful advice on fast seduction that advised begging a woman for sex until she gave in.

    I honestly believe these Pua retards actually believe a pity fuck is worth some alpha points.

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