On PMAFT’s post about Susan Walsh’s conspiracy theories a commenter named AmStrat said the following about conspiracy theorists.
What have these conspiracy theorists done for Men facing divorce, criminal persecution and crowding out of work, education (well, the good kind anyway) by affirmative action (the main winners of which are women)?
That’s right. Conspiracy theorists have done absolutely nothing. I expanded on that in the following comment.
All too true. The MRM used to be dominated by conspiracy theorists until the last 15 years or so. When the MRM was dominated by conspiracy theorists, what did they do? Nothing but pat each other on the back for passing back conspiracy theories about the Rockefellers and Communists to each other. While they did that, those of us in the next generation were watching our fathers get thrown out of their homes by our mothers and divorce courts, our friends get force fed ritalin and other drugs on the orders of female teachers, our older brothers not get jobs because of affirmative action and false sexual harassment accusations, and we had to suffer years of feminist indoctrination in feminized public schools. The conspiracy theorists were AWOL because they aren’t interested in anti-feminism but being pure contrarians. This will become apparent when conspiracy theorists turn on the MRM for being mainstream once the MRM becomes mainstream enough.
It’s actually worse than what I wrote. There are conspiracy theorists from Alex Jones, to David Icke, to Henry Makow who have real audiences. What have the big names in conspiracy theory done for anti-feminism? NOTHING. David Icke is a feminist, and he has followers that actually take Andrea Dworkin seriously beliving that the elite are using feminism as a secret scheme to destroy women and turn men into “post-sexual cyborgs with artifical wombs”. Alex Jones fabricates non-existent threats to freedom like FEMA camps that don’t exist while ignoring how the false rape industry, the false sexual harassment industry, and the divorce courts are destroying the freedom of men and how feminized public schools are destroying the freedom of boys. When it comes to false accusations against men, Henry Makow always takes the side of the woman who makes a false accusation like he did with DSK. All the big names in conspiracy theory are making up threats to freedom while they ignore the real threats to freedom created by feminism, none of which are secret. In many cases they are directly supporting feminism.
Even conspiracy theorists who claim to be MRAs have done jack shit. They even try to convince others that activism is a bad idea like conspiracy theorist Rob Fedders does.
Is not every major MRM leader not begging the government for crumbs? Is not demanding the government provide us with shared-parenting also requesting slavery?
Is supporting Warren Farrell’s drive to create a White House Council on Men and Boys also not part of the dialectic where we request the government take control of intimate areas of our lives? The man, after all, wants to creat more androgyny as his solution to the gender war… and simply because he is on “our side,” the MRM supports him, and his principles, in requesting moretotalitarianism in our lives.
Stephen Baskerville is a man who had his reputationcreated because government intrusion screweed him over so badly… and yet, at the end of the majority of his op-eds, his demand is for more equality, and for morerestructuring of the courts, and for more government organizations to be formed to “take note.”
Should Glenn Sacks have had his way, Political Correctness would have expanded to include men as a protected victim group… giving hate-speech lobby groups yet more power.
Hell, even AH supports creating “MRM Organisms” to counter the vast left-wing organisms that have grown up over the past decades! Is that not the exact purpose of the dialectic? To set up such vast, but opposing political positions, which will battle eachother until every last ounce of freedom has been rung from us?
Hawaiian Fat Blob, another do nothing conspiracy theorist, agrees with this.
I too have come to think a lot about the MGTOW/MRA/MRM/PUA blogosphere and how so many of them have become the dialectical opposition of the feminazi’s most of us want to fight. The antithesis to the feminazi thesis. Creating a political “movement” would merely lead to a new synthesis.
It seems to me that we now have several “manosphere” blogs that I suspect are false flag operations designed to escalate the gender war and sow dissension amongst those of us striving to expose the truth and combat systemic injustices.
This is precisely why I have always opposed trying to form some sort of “movement” to try and effect political change.
I believe much of our problems were created by getting the masses to buy into collectivism…and the answer to collectivist problems should not be collectivist solutions, that would just lead to more “progressive” synthesis.
Conspiracy theorists are opposed to anyone taking action against feminism whether it’s activists like Farrell, Baskerville, and Sacks or guys who take MGTOW and going ghost seriously like the Japanese herbivores. They even now accuse men who are taking some action (wherever it is on the activism-going ghost continuum) of being “false flag operations”. That means that the conspiracy theorists think that various MGTOW & MRA blogs are secretly working for the government or whoever they think is behind the conspiracy. (Of course, they are too cowardly to actually name blogs that they think are “false flag operations”.) In other words, if you want to take any serious action against feminism, conspiracy theorists are always against it and will accuse you of working for the Jews/Illuminati/Zionists/Rockefellers/etc. If you’re in trouble because of feminism, conspiracy theorists will NEVER help you.
With their talk about how men who become activists against feminism are bad, it’s very noticable that they didn’t include Paul Elam in their list of activists. There is no real difference between Elam and Farrell/Baskerville/Sacks except that Elam hasn’t had as much mainstream success yet as Farrell, Baskerville, & Sacks. As soon as Elam has enough mainstream success, the conspiracy theorists will turn on him and accuse Elam of being a “false flag operation”.
I said before that conspiracy theorists would turn on the MRM as soon as it got mainstream enough, and we now have examples of this with their “false flag” BS and attacks of anti-feminist activists. (I never though I would be able to get evidence of conspiracy theorists turning on the MRM this soon.)
Conspiracy theorists also call any attempt at anti-feminist activism, “collectivist”. There’s nothing “collectivist” about it. It’s nothing more than multiple men working together. That isn’t “collectivist” unless you’re a hermit like a Roissyite gamer typically is.
What we must take from all of this is that conspiracy theorists are less than useless for mens rights. They have never done anything for us, never will do anything for us, and consider any action against feminism to be a “false flag operation” and “collectivist”. They are already starting to turn on us and will fully oppose us out when the MRM becomes mainstream enough.