34 comments on “Conspiracy Theorists Have Done NOTHING For You

  1. Great piece. Can you shed some light on some of the more extremely prolific commenters in this Game/Racism/Paleo cult? What’s their deal? I’m talking about the guys who seem to comment everywhere all the time but don’t actually blog. They seem more insane than even the bloggers.

    By the way, it seems like the book that started it all, The Game, is gonna be movie soon:

    http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a329144/neil-strausss-the-game-adaptation-picked-up-by-mgm.html

    • By the way, it seems like the book that started it all, The Game, is gonna be movie soon

      Isn’t this funny? By the gamers own conspiratorial logic, this would then be evidence that “game was funded by the rockafeller” or some stupid crap like that.

      I mean if MGM were to make a movie about the MRM (featuring paul elam and fidlbogen), they’d be saying that’s evidence that fidelbogen and elam are CIA operatives, and that PMAFT is a KGB spy loooooooooool 😀

      P.S

      I DID actually hear that today 😀 I was watching some videos by some TFL guys – they’re like the opposite of gamers when it comes to women, like, they believe you can’t do anything at ALL to improve dating results… But this guy had the same conspiratorial logic as gamers.

      So he was talking about how he believes that gamers were probably funded by the CIA to make men more desperate or what not 😀

      I’d wish it were true, coz I hate gamers, so it would give me one more reason to hate them… 😀 But yah, he did say good stuff, like how game is predatory and just opportunist – a bunch of scammers capitalizing on a social phenomenon.

      • While I agree in part with the TFL guys that for many men there is nothing we can do to improve dating results (I’m one of those guys since women hate me and there’s nothing I can do to change that), I wouldn’t apply that as a blanket principle to all men everywhere. More importantly, it misses the real problem which is the nature of women. When the TFL guys blame the CIA for their dating woes, they’re still blaming men. They’re not holding women accountable, and that effectively makes them no different than the gamers.

    • I would love to talk more about Roissyite commentors without blogs. Do you have anyone in particular in mind? I don’t have the time to keep track of every Roissyite lunatic.

      Some of them also have some very strange pathologies. There’s this one Roissyite called David Alexander. He’s a black dude, but he has absorbed Roissyite racism. As a result he thinks of himself as some sort of ineffectual “prole”, and he thinks he’s unattractive to both black women and non-black women for different reasons.

      • I suspect David Alexander is a reverse troll. Folks in that scene are self-hating betas overcompensating with obnoxious online alpha personas. I think he uses his betaness and refusal to adopt game to bait them and piss them off. Like a clever type of trolling through self-deprecation. Just like nothing pisses off a self-hating former nerd than a proud nerd, nothing pisses off a reformed beta gamer than a beta who stubbornly refuses to accept game.

        The girls who are attention-craving groupies for these guys are creepiest commenters IMO, like aoefe. Out of all the guys you can be groupie to, you choose these guys? And there’s commenter named Doug1. He seems like a psychotic and delusional keyboard jockey.

        • I think you’re right about David Alexander being a troll. I thought about it, and what convinced me was how he spends so much time at the traditional christianity blog despite disagreeing with most of what they stand for.

          We definitely need to look at all the female groupies. I can’t figure out why Roissyite game has groupies, but I have no clue why anything has groupies.

    • They’re might reactive for “alphas” aren’t they? Look at them throwing hissy-fits like a little girl getting her toy taken away.

      Mind you, these are the same people who claimed that MRA and Game were “symbiotic” bedfellows… But when I challenged them, they could produce nothing except that MRAs need to give them shit, but they couldn’t produce anything they could contribute to the MRA 😀

      Their idea of “collaboration” was that MRA gives traffic, publicity, profit and sends it’s younger members off to PUA land. In return they would… well… nothing 😀

    • One thing I noticed from that link and in general from gamers is the accusation that Paul Elam and other MRAs are trying to “trick” guys into celibacy. That’s absurd since if we wanted to trick guys into celibacy, we would promote game.

      • That’s absurd since if we wanted to trick guys into celibacy, we would promote game.

        Bwahhahahahhahaha, exactly 😀

      • I always found something similar between game and charismatic, prosperity gospel, preachers, the gamers promise that by learning game and giving some of them your money you will be rewarded with sex, charismatic preacher promise to make you rich, heal your ass, and they want money. In both cases you end up a sucker.

        It is even more interesting that those game instructors are called gurus, Krishna Consciousness has gurus. I do not know if game gurus inspire as much devotion from their followers like the charismatics, or Krishnaites do. Are there any cases of game devotee selling his stuff to access more game, or working from a guru for no pay, that is out of pure devotion?

      • Are there any cases of game devotee selling his stuff to access more game, or working from a guru for no pay, that is out of pure devotion?

        On, only hundreds of such cases. The severity varies of course. I was unfortunately on the side that made money from the mess, but it’s not just students that fall for this – it’s people on the profitting side as well.

        My partners specifically all quit their dayjobs and all got an apartment with the idea of just running workshops and skype-coaching all day… So it’s not just the students.

        The second, third and fourth tier gurus also wreck their whole lives trying to become like the idealized first-tier-gurus they worship. It’s a downard recycling and rehashing system.

        Second tier gurus KNOW that they’re not getting laid, but they still build companies that teach “how to get laid” because they believe they’re “working toward becoming like [inset first tier guru]. This is how you can have guys who get stuck for years teaching something they themselves can’t do, but believing they’re doing nothing wrong.

        As for some of the sadder cases of people spending life-savings on crap like this, I know of several cases personally, and you can read about hundreds more on puahate.com

        People used to think I’m exaggerating when they first encountered me calling them a cult. But the parallels to all others cults are exact.

        When I hear about stories about a morbidly obese asperger’s kid who spent his life savings on some pua guru… I… I get some dark thoughts – let’s just put it that way.

        How despicable of a human being do you need to be in order to do that? Take a morbidly obese asperger dude and promise them supermodels and drain their life savings.

  2. “When I hear about stories about a morbidly obese asperger’s kid who spent his life savings on some pua guru… I… I get some dark thoughts – let’s just put it that way.

    How despicable of a human being do you need to be in order to do that? Take a morbidly obese asperger dude and promise them supermodels and drain their life savings.”

    Where did you hear about this? I’m interested.

    • I just went to PUA hate and found this:

      http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=10886

      I rest my case, really. I personally have no experience with the PUAs, aside from what I was able to read on MRA blogs. The ironic thing about my discovery of MRM was that I thought that relations between the sexes are not alright, yes I had actual experience with women, quite a few of them actually, so PUAs never had anything to offer me.

      I have witnessed these scammers offer shit for hundreds of dollars and I thought that’s a lot. I heard people spent $10,000 in total for all types of game products, and I thought that’s crazy. But this shit?!

      • Would that be *the* Neil Strauss posting on there (rather than someone pretending to be him).

        It’s true what he says about Project Hollywood. If you’ve read the book you’ll know that there were no chicks there…

        The game gurus (according to Strauss’s book) were just like cult leaders.

  3. One thing I get a lot of enjoyment from in these blogs are the over the top descriptions of game these guys have, like it’s fire handed down from the gods or the ring in Lord of the Rings or the Force in Star Wars. Like they’ve been given superpowers and are now gods walking among mortals lol lmao

    My latest favorite comment comes from a guy called beta_plus:

    http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2012/01/25/hookinguprealities/tucker-max-gets-down-with-empathy/#comment-94742

    Game is ultimately a tool like fire: You can use it to fuel civilization or burn it to the ground.

    I can’t tell if peope are trolling with over the top statements like this. They’re so unbelievable.

    • I can’t tell if peope are trolling with over the top statements like this. They’re so unbelievable.

      I wish they were trolling. They’re truly serious.

      Does everyone get why I’ve been calling them a cult so long? lol.

      • The comments on the thread on In Mala Fide about why you shouldn’t trust men who don’t get laid is a classic too lol :D:

        Poor guy. He was probably raised exactly how most men today are raised: either his father was absent or he just didn’t teach his son how to be a man. It really has condemned this guy to an adulthood of unwanted abstinence, that is….if he doesnt discover Game and turns his life around.

        Game is perhaps the most potent weapon in the entire MRA toolbox. It provides a real, tangible incentive for the bumbling betas of the world to take the red pill and fight back. The boost in self esteem and confidence that game provides is a life changing thing, the likes of which all men can relate to. The only thing traditional MRA tactics can offer is a lifetime of argument and disillusion, something most men wish to avoid.

        Anyone who calls themselves an MRA while staunchly opposing game, is deluding himself, and likely willing to turn on his fellow man in an instant.

        When I saw Paul Elam rejecting game, I saw the image of a haughty French commander on the eve of WWI laughing off the ideas of armored vehicles, automatic rifles, and combat aircraft as “silly baubles” while arguing for the “vital importance” of mounted cavalry in his unit.

        When I see the hundreds of comments and ever-increasing readership on game or game-supportive blogs like Roosh, Roissy and IMF, I see an armored column of hard truth ready to roll the enemy down in ways they were not expecting. I see the only rhetorical weapons that will put this war back in our favor.

        If more dudes knew about the Red Pill, we’d see less chumps like that. I suppose you can see it as competition, but personally the more dudes with Game out there, the better the world is. Each one, teach one.

        Most men, when they finally do get a woman, abandon all their friends. Because they are needy and gameless.

        A man who better understands attraction and all that stuff knows he has plenty of time to kick it with his friends, and that his new girl does not, and shouldn’t, be the center of his life.

        Ipso facto, game can save friendships also.

        • When I see the hundreds of comments and ever-increasing readership on game or game-supportive blogs like Roosh, Roissy and IMF,

          I don’t think the roissysphere is growing, at best its remaining static. The overall game community on the other hand is imploding.

          Here’s how it breaks down…

          -you have a thing called the seduction community which invented the concept of “being alpha” and an all powerfull “game” that overcomes physical reality

          – you also have a thing called “the roissysphere”. This is an extremely tiny cult which takes old game concepts and mixes them in with racism, anti-feminism*, paleo and conspiracy theories on everything and anything (not just politics and economics)

          – the roissysphere has a 3-5 year lag behind the general seduction community in terms of concepts. It’s not only rehashing game concepts, it’s rehashing concepts that the seduction community generally declared dumb years ago and moved on from 

          – the seduction community is (I’d guesstimate) at the very least 10,000 times bigger than the roissysphere 

          – the anti-game community (people opposing the seduction community) is so big that it alone trumps the roissysphere lol… Pua hate alone has more traffic than all of the roissysphere combined and most people on there have never ever heard of IMF, Hawaiian blob or roissy (a few may have heard of roosh as a random 4th tier pua, one of hundreds of similar mini-gurus)

          – the overall seduction community seems to be imploding and all the major companies and websites are experiencing difficulties… Quite a few have gone out of business and they keep having issues having to cancel workshops (when the game was released they were overbooked). 

          – as I said, the roissysphere seems to have a 3-5 year lag behind the general seduction community… So it’s only a matter of time before they too start imploding. Right now in the general community there ate more anti-gamers than gamers and there’s a revolution happening. Pua hate is growing as fast as the game-based companies are bankrupting… 

          – what I would love to do to this dork who wrote that, is to show him this piece in 3 years, he will probably cringe so badly that he will shit a brick in disbelief of what a dork he was in 2012

        • I don’t think the roissysphere is growing, at best its remaining static. The overall game community on the other hand is imploding.

          I agree. A lot of the “game supportive” blogs are really game neutral blogs. A lot of guys on the mens rights side of things declare neutrality when it comes to game. I wish they would be anti-game instead, but I understand that they don’t want to start wars over this. Even someone like PMAFT who is obstensibly “pro-game” is looking for new ideas and realizes many of the problems with game (see his game 2.0 posts about that).

          What several of these blogs, in particular IMF, have done is directly engage various super fringe individuals like white supremacists and conspiracy theorists to boost their traffic. While these blogs may have increased their readership via that method, it really was an increase in VISIBLE readership not total readership. That’s because the super fringe individuals were already lurking in the Roissysphere.

        • which takes old game concepts and mixes them in with racism, anti-feminism*, paleo and conspiracy theories on everything and anything

          It’s important to point out for anyone new reading here, that when I say “anti-feminism*” with an asterisk I am distinguishing these bozos from MRAs

          MRAs are PRO-male, these bozos are merely “anti-feminist”. That isn’t to say that being against feminism isn’t pro-male in some ways…

          The point is that these bozos are only whining or writing conspiracy theories about feminism because they write conspiracy theories about EVERYTHING that’s mainstream. If (when) the MRA becomes mainstream, they will write pieces bashing the MRA and claiming the MRA was Rockafeller funded.

          They have no understanding of how feminism hurts men, anymore that a bum I saw on the street ranting about aliens.

    • I can’t tell if peope are trolling with over the top statements like this. They’re so unbelievable.

      Unfortunately, they’re serious. There are times I think that the Paleo-Game Cult is some sort of feminist conspiracy to discredit the MRM because it’s hard to believe that anyone can completely lack self awareness about their words and actions. In reality, they’re serious.

      This is why 99.99999% of the population thinks these people are a cult and/or mentally ill. It’s one thing to say, “I think we should eat less carbs, and a bit more meat and vegtables.” If you say that people may disagree and think you’re misguided, but they won’t think you’re insane or part of a cult. On the other hand, if you think scraping the fat/grease/stuff off the pan and consuming it for its “fullness” is a good idea especially if it gives you chest pains, people will think you are nuts. They will think your triple nuts if you keep on doing the thing that causes you chest pains.

      • This is why 99.99999% of the population thinks these people are a cult

        Watch out, they will accuse you of “manufacturing statistics”. Lol.

        I saw them refuting me (as a person in my entirety) because “he makes up and manufactures statistics”.

        My “statistics”? Saying that 99% of gamers I’ve met were a certain way or that a certain part of the game community is “at least 10 times bigger” than another lol

        I didn’t say things like “67,54% of gamers” nor did I say “685% bigger”. But that’s the best critique they have lol?

        Alek, you need a peer-reviewed study to claim that all gamers you met were a certain way… We gamers on the other hand can claim to break the laws of physics and warp time and space and must not be challenged to provide proof!!!

  4. Hahaha, here’s a Gamer bragging that he uses the super-magical powers of Game for the forces of GOOD!:

    http://thesanctuary-spacetraveller.blogspot.com/2012/01/tim-tebow-and-peacock-effect.html

    “game is like the force. it can be used for bad or good though it is neither good nor evil. it just is. Anakin fell to the dark side thinking it would give him the power to save Amidala. in the end……he fell. he was forever changed for the worse. game has the same seductiveness to it. ESPECIALLY to a guy that’s got a history of striking out. he’ll feel the need to make up for all the times a women led him on and didn’t put out, or made a fool of him. he won’t place any blame on himself though. unfortunately it’s guys like this that give “game” a bad name. they’re often divorced and have an agenda. they learn game then perpetuate the cycle that burned them.

    i chose the route of Obi Wan. i realize there is a GREAT power in game. but i don’t use it too get what i want, i just use it to navigate a woman’s sometimes irrationality and emotional states. this irrationality/emotional state doesn’t make women bad or good. just makes them women. the degree of rationale and emotion is subjective to the woman of course. lol. i’ve had women i know TELL ME they know EXACTLY when i’m gaming them, but then turn around and admit that they can’t help falling for it. because, at it’s core, game is founded in confidence. confidence alone will render 90% women powerless and filled with the tingles. what game i know/use i use to qualify women in terms of relationship worthy, NOT to simply to get laid.”

    • Oh God, that is hilarious!!!! Black Pill, you should make a special page collecting all these crazy proclamations of the supernatural, earth shattering powers of game and link to it from the front page. Then we can keep adding more examples as we find them in the comments! lol

      I would love to post a comment on a game blog saying that if the terrorists learned Game 9/11 would have been avoided because they wouldn’t have to depend on the 72 virgins in the afterlife in order to get laid. I bet a bunch of people would agree.

      • I would love to post a comment on a game blog saying that if the terrorists learned Game 9/11 would have been avoided because they wouldn’t have to depend on the 72 virgins in the afterlife in order to get laid. I bet a bunch of people would agree.

        Do it!!!!!!

        Go post that bait, its gonna be hilarious!

        Gotta hurry up though, because many of them do read this blog, so they might read up on your plan and then reveal your bait before too many gamers embarrass themselves.

      • Oh God, that is hilarious!!!! Black Pill, you should make a special page collecting all these crazy proclamations of the supernatural, earth shattering powers of game and link to it from the front page. Then we can keep adding more examples as we find them in the comments! lol

        I have been thinking about doing that. I’m not going to limit it to just game. I want to show the totality of the crazy ideas Roissyite gamers believe in. For instance, Hawaiian Fat Blob has this blog called Vault Co on his blogroll. “Vault Co” isn’t a Paleo-Game Cult blog, but Hawaiian Fat Blob links to it, and I have seen several Roissyite gamers post comments there. The owner of that blog, “Tex Arcane”, believes that neanderthals were these superhuman beings, and that he became a neanderthal because he had these acid burns when he was an infant. This is they type of thing Roissyite gamers believe in.

    • Hahaha, here’s a Gamer bragging that he uses the super-magical powers of Game for the forces of GOOD!:

      There are actually a lot of Roissyite gamers who think this way (minus the Star Wars references).

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