106 comments on “A Gamer Says Newt Gingrich is a PUA. What????

  1. What’s going on here is that PMAFT is getting laid (even if that wasn’t true, the gamers still believe he is)

    I’m pretty good at detecting this stuff, in fact in the last 2 years as I was drifting away from the community I made it an excercise to guess who is and who isn’t. Because of my position I had the ability to meet these people in real life and confirm my guesses. I believe im good at this.

    If I were to bet money on it, I would bet that:

    – PMAFT is largely telling the truth

    – Roosh is getting laid but he is exaggerating some of his stories and downplaying the amount of work he does

    – Fifth Donkey is most likely a hermit. It’s impossible for anyone who actually applies this stuff to be as deluded as he is… Commercial gurus will PRETEND because they have a commercial interest, but fifth donkey man has no commercial interest. His level of delusion is a good sign he’s yet to even apply the stuff he believes in. If I were to guess, he probably still struggles with AA and is yet to even do his first full pickup (he might have gathered a few phone numbers that went nowhere)

    • One good way to tell who is bullshitting is by the level of boasting and ego the guys have – the more ego and boasting, the more likely it is all just posturing. Successful guys are much more quiet and low key about their achievements. The more *alpha* a guy tries to sound, the more unsuccessful he is (so he needs to overcompensate), in general. Ironically, gamers, being quite unsophisticated, fail to grasp that if they wanted to convey confidence they would be non-boastful and low key about themselves. But since game is an overcompensation, having a giant ego is almost the point.

      Another way is to note his attitude towards pretty girls – if he positively gushes over pretty women and makes a big deal over them, like Roissy, he almost certainly is not getting pretty girls. Guys who regularly get pretty girls have a *no big deal* attitude towards them.

      What is such a dead give away about game is everything about it is so OVER THE TOP – so obviously an overcompensation. Even their attempts to be *aloof* and *indifferent* are OVER THE TOP behaviors. I guess if you never were confident you imagine that confidence LOOKS this way, but in fact, OVERCOMEPNSATION looks this way.

      His level of delusion is a good sign he’s yet to even apply the stuff he believes in.

      This describes Fifth Donkey perfectly!

      That guy is just creepy-cultish in his attachment to game. He has said that if a person does not accept at least some tenets of game, then the person does not *understand* game (when he says 99% or whatever % of people dont *get* game, this is what he means – they dont accept game. He has admitted this. He also said it is no point arguing with people who dont accept at least the premises of game!!!!!)

      Now, what is this if not *faith*? If you dont ACCEPT game, then you dont UNDERSTAND it. And there is no point arguing with people who dont share my beliefs (so then who should you rgue with? lol). WHERE have we seen this kind of arguing before? Thats right, in RELIGIONS.

      Fifth Donkey adopts game as a *faith* completely insulated from rational scrutiny.

      That it is such a *faith* for him strongly suggests he never even tried it.

    • I’m pretty good at detecting this stuff, in fact in the last 2 years as I was drifting away from the community I made it an excercise to guess who is and who isn’t. Because of my position I had the ability to meet these people in real life and confirm my guesses. I believe im good at this.

      If I were to bet money on it, I would bet that:

      – PMAFT is largely telling the truth

      You better be careful with this. The gamers will use this to say that I’m one of your sockpuppets.

      – Roosh is getting laid but he is exaggerating some of his stories and downplaying the amount of work he does

      What do you mean by getting laid? I’m sure Roosh gets laid, but it’s probably very rare, or rare in comparison to the number of women he approaches. He’s still celibate almost all of the time like the rest of the gamers, IMO.

      – Fifth Donkey is most likely a hermit. It’s impossible for anyone who actually applies this stuff to be as deluded as he is… Commercial gurus will PRETEND because they have a commercial interest, but fifth donkey man has no commercial interest. His level of delusion is a good sign he’s yet to even apply the stuff he believes in. If I were to guess, he probably still struggles with AA and is yet to even do his first full pickup (he might have gathered a few phone numbers that went nowhere)

      I totally agree with this. He always talks about game in the general or the abstract and never how it has affected his personal life. That combined with his delusional thinking about game is a sure sign that he has never used it. I really wish he would leave the game delusion because his misandry bubble and futurism stuff is otherwise very good.

      • What do you mean by getting laid? I’m sure Roosh gets laid, but it’s probably very rare, or rare in comparison to the number of women he approaches.

        That’s what I meant by “downplaying the amount of work he does”. He probably harasses like 500 chicks to lay one.

  2. Btw I’m extremely happy about this newt-PUA story. You know why? It means these people are very close to leaving the cult. 

    In my own local lair, when some guys started asking questions and challenging dogma, some interesting things happened when we kept being faced with new information and logical argumentation against game. 

    – At first a lot of us protested and tried to defend game crap by linking it to positives

    – me and a few guys started making excuses about how supposedly it had actually had SOME positives like giving us confidence and how SOME of the stuff was good in a general personal development

    – other guys were more desperate and they tried to redefine game so broadly that it encompassed everything and anything… One guy so far as defining BILL CLINTON as a pua lol, so to me this story is déjà vu really. 

    Within a year everyone (except one guy) had left the community. So this next level of insanity is a very good sign for me. 

    This is their subconscious make its last ditch attempts to defend the cult. I predict within a year the process of implosion will commence in the roissysphere. 

    • This is their subconscious make its last ditch attempts to defend the cult. I predict within a year the process of implosion will commence in the roissysphere.

      I hope so because we will finally be able to get back to working on mens rights. Maybe next we can get rid of all the conspiracy theorists.

  3. You dumb fucking idiot, you completely miss the point of the post.

    First, you toss out a non-disprovable claim knowing damn well that I’m not going to prove myself to you by providing actual evidence to counter your silly argument that I’m as celibate as you (misery loves company, eh?). You are obviously unaware that I’m in a monogamous relationship and am interested in Game because of its obvious benefits to a large subset of men and because the topic of sociosexual relations is interesting. Is it not? Also, answer this – has Roissy’s viewpoint been a net positive or a net negative to the men who’ve read it? Let’s just say that it is clearly not a net negative.

    Second, the point of the article, which you clearly missed, is that GOP voters want to be seduced in the political sense and that Gingrich provided that seduction for a short while. This has nothing at all to do with living vicariously through Newt Gingrich. My piece was a response to a Fox News article arguing that Gingrich would make a good President because he was able to get three wives. I thought that was a silly argument. The parallels are that sexual seduction does not require a rational response on the part of the woman, and this principle holds in the political realm too.

    Please learn about metaphors, and please stop trying to bring us all down to your pathetic level.

    • Also, answer this – has Roissy’s viewpoint been a net positive or a net negative to the men who’ve read it? Let’s just say that it is clearly not a net negative.

      Youre delusional, dude. Without any doubt whatsoever, Roissys viewpoint has been a net NEGATIVE on men who read it. I cant even believe there is a doubt about that. All a guy has to do is read Roissy for like 20 minutes and he will absorb an emotional attitude of arrogance and boastful overcompensation that will make him like a social idiot, be socially mis-calibrated, and completely kill his chances with women. It will also give him an extremely bitter, envious, and childishly competitive and antagonistic attitude towards women, other men, and life. The ways reading Roissy fucks you up mentally and drives you deeper and deeper into loser *betahood* are too numerous to detail.

      I remember back when I was a gamer idiot I always used to do worse those nights when I went out clubbing after reading a Roissy for a few while. This was one of the things that *clicked* in my mind and made me begin questioning game.

      Chuck Rudd, that you are such a Roissy sycophant removes any doubt in my mind that 1) You have never picked up girls 2) If you are in a relationship, it is with an ugly chic who practically threw herself at you. Am I right? Dont lie 😉 Your psychology is like an open book.

      • Oh, and Alek, that Chuck Rudd got so pissed off and came over here with that hissy fit strongly supports your point that Roissyite gamers are heading towards an implosion, lol 😉 They are becoming more and more desperate and angry.

      • It will also give him an extremely bitter, envious, and childishly competitive and antagonistic attitude towards women, other men, and life. The ways reading Roissy fucks you up mentally and drives you deeper and deeper into loser *betahood* are too numerous to detail.

        This is why Roissyite gamers are heavily into racism, anti-Semitism, and conspiracy theory.

    • First, you toss out a non-disprovable claim knowing damn well that I’m not going to prove myself to you by providing actual evidence to counter your silly argument that I’m as celibate as you (misery loves company, eh?).

      You’re underemployed, poor, and celibate. I’m just celibate. Yes, I would like you to be as miserable as I am because you would be less miserable, gainfully employed, and rich.

      You are obviously unaware that I’m in a monogamous relationship and am interested in Game because of its obvious benefits to a large subset of men and because the topic of sociosexual relations is interesting. Is it not?

      So you’re one of those LTR gamers who ever actually attempts to use game because he’s in an LTR.

      Also, answer this – has Roissy’s viewpoint been a net positive or a net negative to the men who’ve read it? Let’s just say that it is clearly not a net negative.

      I’m going to have to say it’s a negative. Roissy turns guys who just want to get laid into unemployed/underemployed poor losers with a dose of paranoia and conspiracy theory on top, and they’re STILL celibate afterwards.

      Second, the point of the article, which you clearly missed, is that GOP voters want to be seduced in the political sense and that Gingrich provided that seduction for a short while. This has nothing at all to do with living vicariously through Newt Gingrich.

      It has everything to do with living vicariously through Newt Gingrich. Men vote for Newt Gingrich too. Since most of them are straight and Newt is straight, you can’t seriously say that Newt secuded them. Since that didn’t happen obviously, you’re trying to live vicariously through Newt Gingrich.

      please stop trying to bring us all down to your pathetic level.

      Stop trying to pretend that being underemployed and poor is a virtue.

      • <So you’re one of those LTR gamers who ever actually attempts to use game because he’s in an LTR.

        RE: Monogamous gamers

        Anyone ever notice how all these billionaires, rockstars and politicans keep getting caught having like a dozen mistresses?

        How is it that guys who DO have money, power and status, and CAN get women effortlessly, never seem to stick to monogamy!?!?

        Yet the group of people which claims magical jedi-mind powers is suprisingly dedicated to monogamy (by gamer-interpreted-evo-psych terms that makes them ‘betas’ by the way)

        How the monogamous gamers were born

        A lot of people woke up to the game cult in 2007-2008 because of the wave of monogamous gurus.

        What happened is that gurus kept being challenged more and more to provide evidence and proof and do demos at workshops… and ALL OF A SUDDEN all the top gurus, all out of nowhere either got married, or declared they’re in committed monogamous relationships.

        That’s when a lot of people realized these people are full of shit. Because we all instinctual know that powerful men who can get pussy effortlessly, aren’t much into monogamy… It’s especially unconvincing when it was used as an excuse to not even do demos at workshops.

        • Anyone ever notice how all these billionaires, rockstars and politicans keep getting caught having like a dozen mistresses?

          Yes, I have noticed that. Even Bill Gates has at least one mistress.

          How is it that guys who DO have money, power and status, and CAN get women effortlessly, never seem to stick to monogamy!?!?

          Yet the group of people which claims magical jedi-mind powers is suprisingly dedicated to monogamy (by gamer-interpreted-evo-psych terms that makes them ‘betas’ by the way)

          And they try and justify their “monogamy” with a moral argument. No one with a brain buys that.

      • Virgin,

        what does my employment status have to do with anything that you wrote in the OP? you can’t even back up your own shitty arguments before bringing in other non-topical facts about my life. tells me that you are bitter and angry and that your only goal is to provoke guys that you don’t agree with. i guess everyone has their hobbies.

        It has everything to do with living vicariously through Newt Gingrich. Men vote for Newt Gingrich too. Since most of them are straight and Newt is straight, you can’t seriously say that Newt secuded them. Since that didn’t happen obviously, you’re trying to live vicariously through Newt Gingrich.

        i don’t find idiots as dense as you very often; i might continue to visit this shit hole in the future. “political seduction” isn’t “sexual seduction”. do you get that? political seduction has nothing to do with sex. it has to do with Gingrich appealing to a certain subset of conservative voters who are less worried about actually winning against Barack Obama and mostly just want to satisfy a deeper, angrier part of their psyche. men and women can be seduced by a politician. please try to keep up.

        • Virgin,

          Honestly, I don’t think your snipe will impact BP too much for two reasons.

          1) The only sex you seem to have had is when you got picked up by a woman who’s looks we can guess are subpar… For all intents and purposes that doesn’t put you much higher than BP

          2) I’ve been pushing BP to go to an escort for a long time, and I think he insinuated that he actually did it.

          Honestly, fucking a high-class playboy-playmate-leve escort is in my mind superior to putting up with a troll*

          *troll = since even the best earning (multi-millionaire) gamers in the world have all been caught in monogamous relationships with 3s and 4s, we can only guess at your partner’s looks. It’s possible were wrong and you’re really COMMITED to a lingerie model.

        • 2) I’ve been pushing BP to go to an escort for a long time, and I think he insinuated that he actually did it.

          Let me do more than insinuate. I have done it. And I guarantee she was better looking than anything a Roissyite gamer picked up. She probably also costed less too if you add up all the money that the average Roissyite burns on getting a woman.

        • To clarify, I’m not saying your partner is a troll. We simply don’t know.

          What I am saying is that simple probabilities and statistics would tell us that the odds are you as a 6th tier gamer are with a troll who picked you up.

          Unless proven otherwise, this is a simple assumption for BP to make. And if he is doing playmate level escorts that slurp his cum and do every fantasy he desires and then leave – then your troll situation doesn’t really seem better in contrast.

        • Novy,

          visit my comments section if you’d like to gain better insight. that your instincts are proven wrong should provide a larger lesson to you – though i doubt you’ll heed it. guys who think that there is truth to Game – like myself – are mostly not virgin losers like Omega. i’ll grant you that they may not be scoring 10s left and right, but one thing that i think you ignore is the opportunity costs involved in this. its not whether a guy who follows or practices Game is scoring all the time; it’s a matter of if Game provides an improvement from his baseline level – the level at which he’d “score” without Game or awareness of a certain path.

          btw, most of your critiques of roissy are very vague. perhaps if you actually think you are correct you should try to make specific arguments about which aspects of the things he writes about are incorrect.

        • Novy:

          To clarify, I’m not saying your partner is a troll. We simply don’t know.

          It’s odd then that you and Omega are talking as if you do know. Perhaps, you know, don’t act like you know if you, as you admit, don’t know. How’s that sound?

        • visit my comments section if you’d like to gain better insight.

          I spent over a decade meeting THOUSANDS of gamers in REAL LIFE and I had the privilege of comparing their real-life results in comparison to their comments on internet forums and comments.

          guys who think that there is truth to Game – like myself – are mostly not virgin losers like Omega

          And you know this how? Unlike me you have never met anyone outside of the internet. I’ve met thousands of internet-alphas in real life. Most are embarrassingly sub-par.

          its not whether a guy who follows or practices Game is scoring all the time; it’s a matter of if Game provides an improvement from his baseline level – the level at which he’d “score” without Game or awareness of a certain path.

          That’s an excuse used by Fat Paleos. They say “sure, I might not have a sixpack, BUT if I wasn’t on paleo, i’d be fatter” 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀 😀

          The point is this doofus, unless you get objectively amazing results that far exceed SOCIETY’S baseline, then “self-assesment over your personal baseline” is a pretty pathetic metric. People swear on homeopathy, scientology and ghostology using the same “metric”.

          btw, most of your critiques of roissy are very vague. perhaps if you actually think you are correct you should try to make specific arguments about which aspects of the things he writes about are incorrect.

          I’ve written a dozens of posts and comments specifically ripping apart his specific claims and providing scientific studies that show he’s deluded and anti-science.

          It’s odd then that you and Omega are talking as if you do know. Perhaps, you know, don’t act like you know if you, as you admit, don’t know. How’s that sound?

          Are you…

          A) A moron?
          B) Being manipulative on purpose
          C) Lack reading comprehension

          I specifically spelled out THREE TIMES that we have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE. So how can I be pretending that I know?

          We do however what the statistical odds are based on things we DO know.

          – Almost all the famous FIRST TIER GAMERS are with pathetic ugly trolls and this has been uncovered and is public knowledge

          – Of the hundreds of gamers which I saw settling in real life, virtually all settled for trolls

          – You are a sixth-tier gamer

          That means that COMMON SENSE tells BP he has nothing to feel jealous of UNLESS you provide evidence that there is something to be jealous of.

          It’s an extremely safe assumption on his part to make. It’s like him assuming he has nothing to be jealous of when it comes to a homeless man in india.

          Unless that homeless men proves that he’s really a rich vagabond with a 12 inch dick

          – if all that BP knows is “homeless man in india” the instinctual reaction is to feel no jealosy, and in fact, probably feel some pity for the person off of that limited description.

          All we know as a fact about you my friend, is that you’re a random 6th tier gamer – that’s it.

        • We do however what the statistical odds are based on things we DO know.

          – Almost all the famous FIRST TIER GAMERS are with pathetic ugly trolls and this has been uncovered and is public knowledge

          – Of the hundreds of gamers which I saw settling in real life, virtually all settled for trolls

          – You are a sixth-tier gamer

          That means that COMMON SENSE tells BP he has nothing to feel jealous of UNLESS you provide evidence that there is something to be jealous of.

          It’s an extremely safe assumption on his part to make. It’s like him assuming he has nothing to be jealous of when it comes to a homeless man in india.

          Unless that homeless men proves that he’s really a rich vagabond with a 12 inch dick

          – if all that BP knows is “homeless man in india” the instinctual reaction is to feel no jealosy, and in fact, probably feel some pity for the person off of that limited description.

          All we know as a fact about you my friend, is that you’re a random 6th tier gamer – that’s it.

          This is the same way we know how the Roissyite gamers are all unemployed or severely underemployed. The statistical odds are that anyone who believes in conspiracy theories especially ones that involve the Jews are economic losers. That means they either don’t have jobs or have marginal jobs and have no money. The statistical odds are that people who have successful careers and are economically succesful don’t believe in conspiracy theories.

          It’s a safe assumption that all Roissyite gamers are unemployed or severly underemployed.

        • Novy:

          you don’t say that you “don’t know”. you speak as if you do know. you wrote this:

          1) The only sex you seem to have had is when you got picked up by a woman who’s looks we can guess are subpar… For all intents and purposes that doesn’t put you much higher than BP

          and you’re cosigning a piece in which the blog’s author wrote in clear language that i’m celibate.

          you saying “the only sex you *seem to have had* is clearly a statement of fact on your part. but as you are now trying to say, you don’t know for sure, yet for some reason you pretend that you have some sort of magical actuarial table that can help you discern the characteristics of me and my sex life. that’s an odd hobby you have.

        • I suppose you dont understand what the word *seem* means, huh Chuck. It kinda indicates that there is no certainty. Plus, Alek specifically issued a clarification, lest hasty readers missed the word *seem*.

          So I dont know what you are going on about. You have poor critical thinking skills. Pick some other angle of angle, maybe.

        • @Kevin

          Don’t even bother, he’s playing dumb. Even if he missed the obvious qualifiers such as “it seems”, he couldn’t have missed the huge extra paragraph of clarifier disclaimer I put right below it, just in case an illiterate gamer reads the comment. It doesn’t matter how many disclaimer you put in. Gamers keep misquoting me. I saw some idiots claiming that I said I had “Sarged with even pagan”, another one says I had claimed to have been a “game blogger”.

          Nowadays, anytime I write anything about game, I put in more extra clarifications and disclaimers than actual content, but they will still find a way to misread things so as to miss the content.

          As you might know from personal experience as an ex-gamer, a big part of being a gamer is tha your mind pro-actively brushes away cognitive dissonance. So your mind invents way to distort information and data that challenges your game identity.

          What I don’t get is how 810 and piggy assume that they can do this “I am because I say I am on the Internet” thing with guys like us. I mean from our extensive experience and knowledge we know that the default with gamers is “he’s getting zero results unless proven otherwise”. It’s extremely extremely rare that you go meet a gamer in real life and it doesn’t turn out he was completely and utterly inventing results online.

        • Novy,

          Strange how you want to talk to me about not understanding your qualifiers when this entire piece is a huge misreading of a political post that isn’t about sexual seduction.

          That being said, “seems” is a statement of fact, not a statistical inference. You saying that it seems as if I would be celibate or that my girlfriend would be unattractive means that you believe that “it would appear to be true” that this is the case. That is a different statement than you saying “based upon my past observations about guys like this, this dude’s girlfriend probably isn’t attractive – if he has one at all”. Different statements.

          Even despite the longer qualifier, Omega Virgin has called me out, and Alek Novy has cosigned the post. What you also ignore, Novy, is that I (and Roissy and most other guys who you yammer on about) are not PUAs. They aren’t guys you’d have ever met in one of your faggoty lairs in whatever shitty EE country you’re from. These are mostly pro-social guys who needed a few pieces of their life outlook tweaked by some real talk and some perspective.

          What I don’t get is how 810 and piggy assume that they can do this “I am because I say I am on the Internet” thing with guys like us. I mean from our extensive experience and knowledge we know that the default with gamers is “he’s getting zero results unless proven otherwise”. It’s extremely extremely rare that you go meet a gamer in real life and it doesn’t turn out he was completely and utterly inventing results online.

          lol. You guys were the ones who spoke out of turn. You act as if I even mentioned any of this out of the clear blue to rub something in our face. It’s clear that this menage-a-trois of retardation that’s going on b/w Omega, Alek, and Kevin is merely an echo chamber. You guys have preconceived notions about any guy who enjoys Roissy’s blog or sees value in Game, and any challenge to your basic assumptions must then be attacked. Now that I’ve defended myself by pointing out that your assumptions are false (which either means that your entire model is based upon the wrong assumptions or that I happen to fall into the tails of your probability), you try to turn the tables on me as if I initially gave two shits to even speak in your direction.

          You gentlemen are petty. Do you realize how much energy you are putting in to making categorical statements about mens’ lives? – men who write on blogs as a hobby?

        • What you also ignore, Novy, is that I (and Roissy and most other guys who you yammer on about) are not PUAs.

          If the definition of “PUA” includes SUCCESSFULLY picking up women, then you guys definitely aren’t PUAs.

          Do you realize how much energy you are putting in to making categorical statements about mens’ lives? – men who write on blogs as a hobby?

          Yes, we do realize how much energy we’re expending on this. I wish I didn’t have to waste so much time on game. The only reason I care about this shit is because you people invaded the MRM. If you guys would just admit you really aren’t anti-feminists and leave the MRM alone, neither Alek nor myself nor the rest of the “anti-gamers” will bother with you anymore.

        • what does my employment status have to do with anything that you wrote in the OP?

          It had everything to do with what I wrote. My life at the most sucks in just one way. Your life, like the rest of the Roissyite gamers, sucks in every possible way. You Roissyite gamers aren’t just not getting laid. You’re poor. You’re unemployed or severly underemployed, etc. Your lives are just all around shitty.

        • So your mind invents way to distort information and data that challenges your game identity.

          Yeah, that right there is the crux of the matter, Alek. What is interesting to me about gamers is that they are always illogical in the same way. You can argue with almost any random gamer and they always make the same logical errors. Its quite remarkable. I always wonder if these particular logical mistakes are simply the ones that best conceal the truth about game (so anyone wishing to do so would naturally gravitate to them), or if there is something peculiar about game ideology that trains the mind to think in a particular way. Idle speculation, I suppose 😉

          What I don’t get is how 810 and piggy assume that they can do this “I am because I say I am on the Internet” thing with guys like us. I mean from our extensive experience and knowledge we know that the default with gamers is “he’s getting zero results unless proven otherwise”.

          Yeah, we WERE gamers. We KNOW tons of gamers. Why try and BLUFF us, lol?!?!? I suspect its long habit.

  4. @Kevin
    “It will also give him an extremely bitter, envious, and childishly competitive and antagonistic attitude towards women, other men, and life. The ways reading Roissy fucks you up mentally and drives you deeper and deeper into loser *betahood* are too numerous to detail.”

    You’ve described how Roissy has affected YOU, Kevin. The authority with which you consider these effects to be true stems from the fact that they are from YOUR experience. I’d brag about the pussy I’ve gotten from lessons learned at The Chateau, but I’d be lying, right? For you to put the result of your experience on everyone else and insinuate that they won’t face it as you have is:

    A) Extremely bitter
    B) Envious
    C) Childishly competitive and antagonistic towards other men, and life.

    See how I made an argument about your psychology and then backed it up with things you’ve actually said? Swish.

    @Chuck
    Haters gon’ hate, as always.

    • I’d brag about the pussy I’ve gotten from lessons learned at The Chateau, but I’d be lying, right?

      Yup. Im glad you grasp that.

    • You’ve described how Roissy has affected YOU, Kevin. The authority with which you consider these effects to be true stems from the fact that they are from YOUR experience. I’d brag about the pussy I’ve gotten from lessons learned at The Chateau, but I’d be lying, right? For you to put the result of your experience on everyone else and insinuate that they won’t face it as you have is:

      A) Extremely bitter
      B) Envious
      C) Childishly competitive and antagonistic towards other men, and life.

      See how I made an argument about your psychology and then backed it up with things you’ve actually said? Swish.

      The problem with claiming that Kevin is just projecting is that all a person has to do is read the comments on any random Roissy article and see the undeniable proof for themselves. No one who isn’t knee deep in the insanity themselves can deny that the average reader there is bitter, envious, angry and childishly competititve and antagonistic towards other men, other races, etc.

      • Thats correct, Grizzly. Roissys commenters prove that he has that effect on most guys. Even Ferdinand Bardamu admitted back in the day that Roissy is a severely disturbed person with emotional problems but who nevertheless has much *wisdom* to impart.

        But its more than that – the emotional characteristics of Roissys writing that I described are OBJECTIVELY there – one can analyze the words he uses, the situations he describes, the things he mocks, the attitudes he adopts – so I suppose a guy CAN read Roissy and remain totally unaffected by the emotional content of what he is reading, but the main point is that Roissy OBJECTIVELY brings a particular emotional content to his writing.

        So unless a guys is armored against getting affected by this (say, by not taking it seriously or not worshipping Roissy and thinking him a big joke), he cannot NOT be affected by something that is OBJECTIVELY there. Especially since most guys who read Roissy do so to be INSTRUCTED – which means that they WANT to absorb his attitude.

  5. OT but I’ve been following your blog for a while, and still would like to see you debunk the nice-guy caricature.

  6. Hello, Newt Gingrich here

    First time poster but long time reader and i would like to tell you how i used PUA game to seize political power.

    I started out as a beta male than i pissed away all my money in smelly pua boot camps, wasted my time reading roissy than became an uber alpha.

    I became so alpha that the Pua clowns took credit for my achievements.

  7. If the definition of “PUA” includes SUCCESSFULLY picking up women, then you guys definitely aren’t PUAs.

    Roissyite: Just like a pickup artist, except you don’t have to leave the house

    Roissyite: It’s pickup without the pickup part

    Roissyite: It’s what you get when you take pickup theory, and remove the practice

    This is why roissyites are infinitely worse than average PUAs

    Most of us ex-gamers will admit to having believed in all the same game theories that roissyites preach as gospel. 

    We however went out there, applied it, got some lays, some dates and a bunch of meaningless numbers. 

    It was trough practice we realized its nothing more than fluff and empty words. The practice didn’t fit the theories. 

    But  roissyites never apply the theory, or only apply it in contexts where it’s impossible to prove or disprove, such as marriage gamers.

    They will be stuck in it for much longer than those of us who applied it the hardest. 

    Yes, we do realize how much energy we’re expending on this. I wish I didn’t have to waste so much time on game. The only reason I care about this shit is because you people invaded the MRM. If you guys would just admit you really aren’t anti-feminists and leave the MRM alone, neither Alek nor myself nor the rest of the “anti-gamers” will bother with you anymore.

    Fidelbogen with whom I’ve collaborated on this topic is currently writing what he believes to be the ultimate “get the fuck off our lawn” piece. He puts it best when he refers to gamers as “parasitic” and a tumor that must be expunged off the MRA.

    See, I am the best proof of what BP says, that were only in this due to the MRA.  I left game in like 2006-2008 I believe. 

    In between 2006-2011 I didn’t give a fuck about my former cult, and did nothing in relation against it. Sure if some kid on my forum asked me about it, I’d warn them against it, but otherwise it was in no way, shape or form a big part of my life in those years.

    It was only in 2011 when these parasites started invading the MRA that I got activated. 

    At first I gave mild warnings, but nobody was listening. Then I gave a bit stronger warnings, but I was out-voiced because I was the only guy who had experience with this stuff. 

    I was the only one who knew the truth about these theories and crap being introduced into the MRA… Eventually I had to start shouting to get heard. 

    I wish nothing more than to move on from anti-game. In fact, I thought I already had back in 2006-2008…

    I have high hopes for Fidelbogen’s project, so we’ll see. 

    • Strange that I’ve never heard about either one of you guys’ Men’s Rights *Activism* and instead only know of you through your anti-Game rhetoric.

      Remind me again, what is your argument against Game advocates being in or around the MRA sphere? How exactly does Game hurt the cause?

      • Strange that I’ve never heard about either one of you guys’ Men’s Rights *Activism*

        I’ve been doing a lot of projects in the background for a while without taking public credit, and in fact i prefer staying low.

         For example I begged Elam to not even mention me in relation to the website, because I want no public credit for anything… But he went and hinted at my involvement a few times. Fortunately I haven’t been hinted on for some of the other projects.

        I never intended to be the loudest critic of the roissysphere, I was dragged into it kicking and screaming. I would prefer this be over sooner so I can go back into a low profile and mostly be a big MRA donor in the background.  

        As for Kevin, you’re saying you never noticed him before you saw his anti-game comments? I dont think he even said he was an mra lol. He might just be an ex roissyite.

        Assuming he is an MRA however, Do you not realize what that says about you? Your mind only registers people if they threaten game? What do you mean by not notice? Do you have a database of all MRAs in your head so that you would compare him against it? Why would you have noticed a random MRA before?

        And if by not notice you mean he was not one of the big names in MRA, does that mean only big-name MRAs are allowed to criticize game?

         But 

        A) Most of the famous MRAs dont  criticize game because they don’t know anything about it, so they just stand neutral on it

        B) Three of the biggest names in MRA DID dis come out against gamerdom, including Fidelbogen, the oldest and most powerful strategy leader in the MRA. 

        He decided a very similar thing as BPs “MDAD”

        C) You will notice the biggest critics of game are ex-gamers… So the main criterion for an MRA to critique game are his qualifications in gamehood, not name-recognition in MRA.

        – Between a super-big-name MRA with little game knowledge

        And

        – An average MRA with extensive game knowledge 

        Who is more qualified to speak out about game’s relation to the MRA? 

        It doesn’t matter since both have done so.

         Both the small time MRAs Like me,  and the bigtime ones like Fidel and Elam. 

        Remind me again, what is your argument against Game advocates being in or around the MRA sphere? How exactly does Game hurt the cause?

        I’d provide you links to Barb and fidel and BPs explanations, but I’m doing all of this from a cellphone while doing cardio, so I cant do links easily. My work comp only allows for biz sites.

        You’ll have to manually track down:

        – Barbarossa’s two videos on gamers vs MRA 

        – Fidelbogen’s comments on the frost debate, and his posts featuring the barb videos. i’d link to the particular comments and posts, but I can’t. Just search. 

        – bP’s  posts on the subject of WHY

        • Receipts for what?

          I’m assuming you misread this statement…

          so I can go back into a low profile and mostly be a big MRA donor in the background.  

          The “going back” refers to going back to being low profile, not “back to” being a big donor. I’ve never been one. It is however and was always my goal in the MRA. I wanted to contribute without exposing myself.

          Since I couldn’t do the big anonymous donor thing in 2011 I substituted it with contributing work anonymously.

      • Strange that I’ve never heard about either one of you guys’ Men’s Rights *Activism* and instead only know of you through your anti-Game rhetoric.

        That’s because you’re not an MRA and not really against feminism. I don’t feel any need to annouce my activities to you.

        Remind me again, what is your argument against Game advocates being in or around the MRA sphere? How exactly does Game hurt the cause?

        I have written about this extensively, but the short answer is you people aren’t really against feminism. You proved this here. You people don’t care about actual anti-feminist issues. The MRM is not interested in dating advice since that has nothing to do with anti-feminism, so we’re not interested in your dating advice (AKA game). The only reason real MRAs care about game is because you people invaded the MRM.

        How goes game hurt the cause? First, feminists like Amanda Marcotte have become pro-game. You people now have more in common with feminists than you do with the MRM. Second, you people are all a bunch of kooks. The real problem I have is not with gamers overall as such, but you Roissyite gamers. Most gamers, while misguided, aren’t mentally ill kooks like you Roissyite gamers. A non-Roissyite gamer doesn’t believe in the paleo diet, racism, anti-semitism, white nationalism, conspiracy theory, collapse porn, opposition to science, and Ron Paul messiah bullshit that you Roissyite gamers believe in. Not only is the MRM not interested in those things, but you people are just giving ammo to feminists to paint MRAs as racist, Jew hating, conspiracy theorist mentally ill kooks.

        You Roissyite gamers are pure contrarians more than anything else. Once the MRM becomes mainstream enough, you will be explicitly against the MRM and pro-feminist since feminism will then be the contrarian position. None of you Roissyite gamers actually beinve in anti-feminism.

  8. No problem. I did notice you were being sarcastic in “demanding receipts”, but you did misread that I was a donor, which is my fault, so i had to clarify the sentence, because it can be misread due to my poor wording. 

    Should have been:

     

    so I can go back into a low profile and mostly BECOME a big MRA donor in the background.

    Or

    so I can go back into a low profile and then become a big MRA donor in the background.

    You know how I talk to people. If I thought you were seriously yelling at me like that I wouldn’t have replied and responded so calmly. You know how I respond to gamers when they say stuff like that lol. 

  9. That is correct. Baradmu accused me of deliberately trying to get Roissyite gamers angry at me. You explained why that makes no sense. Roissyite gamers are angry all the time.

    And this relates to the earlier statement about “all the energy” we invest against them. 

    Objectively, these are the verifiable facts on our “investment”:

    -1> I post one anti-game rant a WEEK on my personal blog

    -2> You post 1.5 anti-game posts a week

    -3> I will rip into anyone who’s making batshit insane game claims on AVFM…

    …or trying to proselytize AVFM members and do cult recruitment. Fortunately I haven’t had to do that for weeks, and only had to do it for maybe 2 months total before we expelled the cult.

    – I may comment once a month on a gamer blog …

    …because I accidentally stumbled onto one and saw someone making a batshit insane statement that I just couldn’t resist letting go unanswered…. You know shit like someone saying game can part seas, resurrect civilizations or kill feminism or some other insane claims on either game or (lately on me as a person)

    *-I never visit gamer blogs on purpose, and only end up there if some gender blog links to one, and I end up clicking on the link not knowing what it is

    Objectively we invest less work in anti-game in a given month than the average Roissyite loser invests in prosletyzing pro-game in one DAY… 

    AND we’re outnumbered like a thousand to one.

    AND we don’t go actively prosletyze into their spaces, but they come into ours lol. 

    So when they say we make them angry, with even this PUNY ratio…

    What does that say about them seriously? That they get so angry about someone who disagrees with them merely EXISTING in their vicinity. 

    That’s borderline scary… Like serial killer scary.

  10. http://www.antifeministtech.info/2012/02/rumor-has-it/

    So its already starting. Pro-Male posts a thread about a gamer accusing Paul Elam of being OZ and manipulating the anti-game people from behind closed doors (I’m not sure if he is implying that Alek/BP/me and others are ALSO Paul Elam. But there was a piece of gold hidden in the comments:

    “Why Elam even bothers with game, pro or con, is a mystery. Whatever a man chooses to do with his dick is his own goddamned business, and Paul Elam should have nothing to say about it.

    The MRM is turning into a cult just like feminism when it starts taking positions on men’s sexual behavior. The personal is NOT political!”

    talk about getting it wrong. Isn’t that what MRA has been saying all along? Do you thing, keep your game BS out of the MRA.

    • Even more bizarre was that the very first comment was a frothing rant directed against Alek Novy when the post had nothing to do with him. Paranoid much?

      • Here are the facts:

        – i’m one man

        – there’s a thousand of them

        – I post 1 anti-game rant a week and have only done this for a few months

        – They post hundreds of pro-game posts and articles and THOUSaNDS of comments

        ——— yet they’re obsessed with me. Which is especially weird since I never even visit gamer blogs, all I have is my one rant a week

        What does it tell you if one single man who at this puny ratio scares the shit out of them and drives them to frothing paranoia and rage? Mind you, I am supposed to be a beta, and they’re supposed to be a legion of alphas.

        Doesnt that tell you something? An army of a 1000 elite  navy seals paranoid and ranting about a lone little 90lb weakling afghani rebel? How does it add up? It doesn’t. 

        • Oh man, did you see the latest comment from Bardamu?:

          “As for AlekNovy, he’s irrelevant. Talking about him merely gives him exposure he doesn’t deserve (yeah I know I’m guilty of this too). If you don’t like the “anti-gamers,” don’t read them, don’t talk about them, don’t even think about them.”

          Oh Jesus. He’s behaving *exactly* like a real-life cult leader would. Don’t dare even think about the evil anti-gamers, lest you stray from The Path. If you are so irrelevant, Alek, why must the cult followers avoid even thinking about you? Are you Satan?

        • Oh Jesus. He’s behaving *exactly* like a real-life cult leader would. Don’t dare even think about the evil anti-gamers, lest you stray from The Path. If you are so irrelevant, Alek, why must the cult followers avoid even thinking about you? Are you Satan?

          Every cult needs an actual physical devil. For the Branch Davidians, it was the US government. For the gamers it used to be me, but now it’s Alek.

    • So its already starting. Pro-Male posts a thread about a gamer accusing Paul Elam of being OZ and manipulating the anti-game people from behind closed doors (I’m not sure if he is implying that Alek/BP/me and others are ALSO Paul Elam. But there was a piece of gold hidden in the comments:

      Let me let you in on an INSIDE SECRET that reveals how batshit insane this is, it’s even crazier than you might think if you don’t know the truth about Paul Elam

      The truth is that yes, there is a TON of hith-level MRA shit going on behind the scenes. In fact I am forbidden to talk abou it, because talking about it is grounds for expulsion.

      And all this stuff happening in the background is about some SCARY HIGH LEVEL shit that MRAs are doing (you’d shit your pants if you knew what goes on behind the scenes).

      How do you think the radfem controversy was uncovered?! And that was just the tip of the iceberg, I am not allowed to talk about what goes on in non-public venues.

      HERE IS THE TRICK: the concept of “game” HAS NEVER EVER EVER even been brought up behind the scenes!!!! Like we never even mention it not even in passing. 

      The ONLY exchanges I’ve ever had with Elam about game have been public. Gamers are THAT insignificant, we don’t even mention them in passing when we talk to one another. In fact, not even I knew that there was a game debate coming, nobody informed me in private… We’ve not even discussed it in private neither before, during or after. The private communication is reserved for much higher-level stuff.

      If you knew the high-level FTSU work that Elam and his soldiers are doing in the background, you would SHIT your pants. In fact people in high positions in government and universities will shit their pants.

      And puny random gamers are NEVER even brought up. This is why with me having inside knowledge, this conspiracy theory is EVEN crazier to me than it is to you guys.

      Elam (and the others) are literally working 16 hour days on this anti-feminist shit… They’re doing MASSIVE FTSU work in the background that makes the femiplex quake in fear… Where the fuck do you think all those donations are going to? How do you think AVFM had uncovering pieces that are at the investigative level of a Pulitzer-winning piece?!?

      For me, knowing the high-level stuff that Elam does at the sacrifice of personal HEALTH, makes this theory EVEN more absurd…

      It’s like a random 17 year old being paranoid that he is being tracked by the CIA or the MI-5 for watching porn lol

      YOU are an insignificant nobody!! Nobody cares about you!!!! Out of all the people who have any relation to the MRA background stuff, I AM THE ONLY ONE who ever even talks about this stuff, and I only do so on my blog (and in omega’s comments). We don’t even mention you losers in private*

      How deluded are these people to not realize how INSIGNIFICANT they are?!?!?

      *-Except for a private 3 email exchange I had with Fidelbogen. That was many months ago, where he decided to do an article on the MRA disassociating from the PUAs… He still hasn’t finished the article. Does that tell how LOW of a priority these deluded people are? Fidelbogen has written like 30 pieces since then, but still hasn’t finished his anti-game article… Doesn’t that tell you how INSIGNIFICANT these people are on the scale?”

      • Slight Clarifications

        I’m a nobody in terms of activism, so I don’t want anyone to misread that I am one of “them” – the high level MRAs who do stuff in the background.I’m a nobody in terms of activism.

        They’ve merely allowed me the privilege to know what they’re doing… These guys are working like crazy on some extremely high-level activism… I’m not however, my involvement is merely restricted to helping out with some technical stuff here and theres.

    • ===gamer vomits out===
      Why Elam even bothers with game, pro or con, is a mystery. Whatever a man chooses to do with his dick is his own goddamned business, and Paul Elam should have nothing to say about it.

      The MRM is turning into a cult just like feminism when it starts taking positions on men’s sexual behavior. The personal is NOT political!”

      =========

      talk about getting it wrong. Isn’t that what MRA has been saying all along? Do you thing, keep your game BS out of the MRA.

      E – X – A – C – T – L – Y

      We were the side who says NOT to bring up dating, game and other shit in the MRA.

      I have challenged gamers SEVERAL times to find evidence of me bringing up game first on an MRA-site EVER. 

      I’ve never not once in the history of AVFM EVER brought up the subject not once. I only responded when gamers would invade and start selling it.

      Our whole fucking goal was to stop people from bringing up this diversion -and we actually succeeded… Nobody has tried to bring up game on AVFM in MONTHS, not a single mention, and that makes me happy. 

      Our whole fucking point WAS to detach the personal from the MRA. In fact Fidelbogen has explained precisely that point several times.

    • So its already starting. Pro-Male posts a thread about a gamer accusing Paul Elam of being OZ and manipulating the anti-game people from behind closed doors (I’m not sure if he is implying that Alek/BP/me and others are ALSO Paul Elam.

      You call from that blog post that PMAFT is wondering why all these gamers are fucking nuts.

      talk about getting it wrong. Isn’t that what MRA has been saying all along? Do you thing, keep your game BS out of the MRA.

      Yes, that is what MRAs are saying. Many MRAs are single and avoid relationships with women. Those are the ghosts. Many other MRAs are in relationships with women and even married or are otherwise having sex with women. Game/dating advice issues have no place in the MRM. The obsessive emphasis on what is effectively “dating advice” is nothing but a distraction.

  11. I just read this:

    http://www.rooshv.com/8-signs-youre-a-game-denialist

    The comments are gold.

    The irony is that find Roosh isn’t as big a believer in PUA dogma as he seems to think he is. At least not to me. He does big numbers game and claims zero tolerance for putting up with shit tests and jumping through hoops. He also doesn’t rationalize pandering to entitled women or trying to counter women’s mindgames and bad behavior with even more convoluted mindgames. I think he’s more like us than he realizes.

  12. Clarifying my point: Roosh still perpetuates some bad PUA mindsets but overall he’s moved much closer to anti-game than he realizes. I think he’s the only gamer capable of making the cognitive jump to anti-game but his heavy investment into game won’t allow him to make that final step.

    • This is undeniable proof that you are my sockpuppet!!!!!!

      You’re saying something I’ve said before about Roosh, in fact I wrote a post about it:

      http://aleknovy.com/2011/12/10/roosh-is-definetely-evolving/

      This is PROOF that you are me since as we know it’s impossible for two people to come to the same conclusion!!

      P.S

      I don’t get how this sockpuppet thing works though… I thought I am sock puppet of Paul Elam… How can a sockpuppet have it’s own sockpuppets?

      Am I like a meta-sockpuppet? 

      • I don’t get how this sockpuppet thing works though… I thought I am sock puppet of Paul Elam… How can a sockpuppet have it’s own sockpuppets?

        Am I like a meta-sockpuppet?

        Sometimes sockpuppets gain sentience like Skynet did in the Terminator movies. Then they spawn their own sockpuppets which repeats the whole process.

  13. This is the same way we know how the Roissyite gamers are all unemployed or severely underemployed.

    This is an extremely vicious Roissyte (In fact, I found him on some article where MRAs were being bashed by some mangina) and he’s known to defend roissyites with very cult-like passion, so I clicked on his name, and this was the first post:

    http://kennyspuathoughts.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/still-fucking-unemployed/

    No, this is not a joke. No I did not go looking to find this. I just randomly clicked on a random nutcase on a site that had nothing to do with game or pickup. I just know he’s a roissyite from seeing him around in the past.

    • Clarification:

      I’m about 90% certain he’s the Roissyite I’m thinking about… I don’t follow this stuff, but I did click on his name where he was one of the commenters on a piece bashing MRAs.

      Unlike gamers who continually misquote me, I always try to spell out and put discalimers, I don’t care if disclaimers are boring… Clarity is very important a value to me.

  14. I want to play devil’s advocate for a bit: where does Roissy get it right? Where does pickup in general get it right? In what instances is someone better off than before for having read him? For example if you’re a total beta who has an angelic view of women and never approach, is it better to stay the way you are? Stated another way, are there some people for whom becoming a Roissyite is actually an improvement?

    I think if one was to read nothing but his 16 Commandments of Poon there are some genuine nuggets of gold. But somehow on his daily blog he misapplies a bunch of stuff thanks to mental masturbation and it becomes a train wreck.

    • Grizzly, I agree. Roissy does make some good points but has a tendency to go over the top: the whole “Chicks dig jerks” theory being a prime example.

      That said, I do find his articles entertaining to read. You just need to take them with a pinch (or maybe a whole barrel) or salt.

  15. The reason I’m thinking of this is that when I read Roosh’s post and saw all the strawmen they were attacking, I realized that people seem to think we’re rejecting pickup 100%, including the 10-20% that works. So I thought it would be interested in discussing which parts actually work.

    • Yep, all their rebuttals of non-game (every single one) was an extremely bad straw man. 

      Unfortunately my friend, the tactic of trying to explain what you agree with does not work, because of the way the cult brain works… It reads what it wants to read, even words that don’t exist on a page…

      Now, here’s the problem with “listing things gamers get right”… Even the few things they do get right are ALWAYS in the context of a damaging frame… 

      For example they’ll say…

      “stop pedestalizing women, women arent fond of guys who pedestalize them, it KILLS attraction, go talk to her and say abc and xyz because that demonstrates you don’t pedestalize women and builds attraction. “

      Do you see the problem? Even something red pill as “don’t pedestalize women, they’re not angels” —-> actually gets converted into a more subtle form of pussy-begging…

      It turns into a technique… To “earn” pussy.

      Reading pure MRA material (or Tom Leykis shows) is in contaminated and gives you the “women are no angels” and you stop pedestalizing by proxy..

      I could list thousands of examples, but I’ve already wasted too much time on game… I think you get the pattern even with just this one example. 

  16. I find it telling that when someone like PMAFT says something to the effect of, “Hey guys. Let’s stop accusing anti-gamers of things that are impossible. It makes us look insane.”, the reaction from gamers is to accuse him of “indentifying” with us and of more insane BS. If a gamer like PMAFT is getting this reaction from the other gamers, then the vast majority of Roissyite gamers are becoming serial killer scary.

    I’m extremely happy about this, in fact this was my goal, to provoke a separation between the sane gamers and the insane.

    Let me make it clear, I and every single one of my best friends were gamers for many years. I obviously believe that good and sane people can fall for it… Every single one of my personal friends (except one) was an ardent gamer for many years. 

    There are many sane, great guys trapped in the roissysphere for no other reason than that they’ve never heard of an alternative. They’re smart, logical guys who will grow out of it.

    So by us provoking the insane gamers into all this paranoia, we are making the sane-gamers start questioning game.

    Thoughts such as “wait, if so many verifiably delusional nutcases believe in this game thing, maybe it says something about game I haven’t considered before?”

    A few guys have told me they started questioning their faith in Roissy when they ran into his moderation tactics (splicing comments together, taking comment paragraphs out of context, creating secret IP bans etc…)

    • So by us provoking the insane gamers into all this paranoia, we are making the sane-gamers start questioning game.

      Btw how much money you wanna bet that a gamer somewhere will misread this and go “AHA!! So they admit there was a PaulElam funded and BP-programmed skynet network that runs thousands of sockpuppets!!!?!!”

      What I mean by “provoking” is simply the posts/comments I wrote yelling SHOW ME THE PROOF… And the posts ripping apart their logical fallacies… Yes all 5-7(?) posts on my blog and the (two)dozen or so comments on gamer-spheres.

      See, the response was going to be different between sane gamers and insane gamers.

      –> The insane gamers would/do get epileptic shocks, nervous breakdowns and start foaming at the mouth and getting heart attacks

      –> The sane gamers would/do just go “hey, it’s just some loud/rude guy who has a different perspective”

      It was this radically different response between the two groups that makes the sane gamers realize what they’ve gotten into and start questioning game over time.

      • Btw how much money you wanna bet that a gamer somewhere will misread this and go “AHA!! So they admit there was a PaulElam funded and BP-programmed skynet network that runs thousands of sockpuppets!!!?!!”

        It will happen. Conspiracy theorists do this all the time. For example, Bill Gates says that vaccinations in the third world will cause people there to have fewer kids because they won’t have to worry about half of their children not making it to adulthood. Conspiracy theorists take this to mean that Bill Gates is part of some “depopulation agenda” to eliminate half or 80% or 90% of the world’s population. That actually happened.

        It’s also guaranteed to happen because they’re going to need an explination of why I’m not posting all day like them since they don’t believe my business exists.

        • Alex Jones does that all the time. He always uses the word “admit” when reporting that someone has covered a topic.

          – for example CNN will have a news story about the growth of flat earth society memberships

          – Alex Jones will come on the air and say “Even CNN admits the earth is flat!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!”

          Or

          – CNN, BBC, Reuters, AP will all have a story about some new event (let’s say a bank robbery)

          – Alex Jones will come out and say “Even CNN, BBC, Reuters ADMIT that a bank robbery happened!!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE!! They’re admiting it!!!”

          He has the most perverted use the word “admit” of anyone in the history of the English language. 

    • There are many sane, great guys trapped in the roissysphere for no other reason than that they’ve never heard of an alternative. They’re smart, logical guys who will grow out of it.

      Not only this, but I suspect there are a lot of guys who are both into mens rights and want to get laid who just fell into game because it was there. (PMAFT may be such an individual.) It’s easy to indentify such individuals since they believe in game, but not in the racism, Paleo diet crap, conspiracy theory, etc. of Roissyite gamers.

  17. I’m extremely happy about this, in fact this was my goal, to provoke a separation between the sane gamers and the insane.

    This is an admirable goal, but I fear it may be too late. I think ironically the Roissysphere already accomplished that goal for you. Seriously, look at any of those Roissyphere blogs that have existed for years and track their comments years ago compared to now, including Roissy’s and Ferd’s. Many of them started out with sane commenters and they all only have batshit insane commenters left. Just by being themselves I think they already screened out the sane!

    Then with only an echo chamber of only the most insane commenters left behind, the bloggers themselves got crazier, which turned away even more sane people while attracted even more insane commenters, which then made the bloggers more crazy, and so on.

    • Hmm you might have a point – a lot of what you say makes sense. I’m done with then anyway. I meant to wrap up my anti-game series with three “sane alternative to game” pieces… And that’s what I just did. I’m moving onto other topics now.

      If there are any sane hopefuls in game, then they will be woken up… I mean what I did would have planted the seed of doubt.

      Also, the main goal was accomplished… They’re not on the biggest MRA site on the planet (AVfM*)… So I think going any further with anti-game at this point is beating a dead horse. They lost, we won.

      *_ you might not realize it by going to AVfM now since there is zero MDAD, but it want like this… Before the frost defeat, they were bringing up dating and game and pickup in every single goddamn article. So…

      – MDAD has been completely removed from the biggest MRA site in the world

      – Gamers in the peripheral blogosphere-manisphere have been driven to embarrassing and hysterical paranoia (which should cause a wake up in any sane people who might still be around)

      All in all a victory…

      • – MDAD has been completely removed from the biggest MRA site in the world

        – Gamers in the peripheral blogosphere-manisphere have been driven to embarrassing and hysterical paranoia (which should cause a wake up in any sane people who might still be around)

        All in all a victory…

        That’s great, but I have to wonder why Hawaiian Fat Blob and Inamalafide are still on AVfM’s blogroll. Granted the blogroll is at the bottom of any page at AVfM, but it’s still there.

        • That’s great, but I have to wonder why Hawaiian Fat Blob and Inamalafide are still on AVfM’s blogroll. Granted the blogroll is at the bottom of any page at AVfM, but it’s still there.

          I’ll answer the same thing I answered when Forweg brought this up. You’re noticing what IS there, what you’re not noticing is what is no longer there. He removed 2 sites that are extremely big in the manisphere. I won’t name the sites, but he removed them for similar reasons.

          Also I wasn’t kidding when I said nobody discusses this stuff in the background. I’ve never brought up gamers or manisphere when talking to Elam. I communicate with him only about technical issues, so I would never say something like “hey, Paul, you know those links on there?”. I’ve forbidden myself from making such suggestions because I am not qualified to tell high-level MRAs what to do or not to do on an activism level. I restrict myself to technical.

          Fidelbogen however is qualified, so maybe he will bring it up to Elam’s attention. Fidelbogen agrees with MDAD etc…

          Paul Elam and JtO are extremely busy doing high-level FTSU work … They don’t even know think about this side of things… It’s not any sort of active endorsement… He’s too busy FTSU to consider these things. Those links are simply leftover from before… It’s not like he actively re-assesses how much an MRA someone is on a daily level.

          If FidelBogen brought it up, I’m sure it would be considered. 

        • Alek, I can accept that explanation for Inmalafide since Bardamu started out relatively sane when AVfM started out. However, Hawaiian Fat Blob was a well established gamer, conspiracy theorist, and all around kook when AVfM was getting started. I understand that this isn’t a major issue for Paul Elam and company, but it needs to be. The MRM is not just being invaded by gamers. It’s also being invaded by racists, conspiracy theorists, and other types if kooks. Guys like Paul Elam need to take this problem seriously if they want the MRM to be successful.

        • @Black Pill

          I discovered the reason why AVFM is sympatico with these nuts. It’s managing editor, John the Other, is a conspiracy theorist. He even quotes Henry Makow. That wasn’t a one time thing, either. JtO repeats this again and again, and Paul Elam calls his conspiracy theory, “absolutely sterling” (scroll down to the first comment). I guess Paul Elam is a conspiracy theorist too. JtO also uses AVFM to promote conspiracy theory lies about money and banking.

          No other conclusion can be drawn except that AVFM is run by conspiracy theorists so, other than game, they have no problem with Hawaiian Fat Blob (love that nickname for him!) or IMF.

          I used to not get your blog and couldn’t figure out your deal. Now, I understand because this blog and a few others like Alek Novy’s blog are the only sane blogs in the MRM universe.

        • @BlackPill

          Could you check the IP of Mr. Smith -and compare it to Futrelles?

          I discovered the reason why AVFM is sympatico with these nuts. It’s managing editor, John the Other, is a conspiracy theorist. He even quotes Henry Makow. That wasn’t a one time thing, either. JtO repeats this again and again, and Paul Elam calls his conspiracy theory, “absolutely sterling” (scroll down to the first comment). I guess Paul Elam is a conspiracy theorist too. JtO also uses AVFM to promote conspiracy theory lies about money and banking.

          I Alek agree with 100% of JtO and Paul Elam’s writings. Does that make me a CT?

          Please don’t play this trick… Nobody is falling for it Futrelle.

          Here’s the massive difference between JtO and Roissyites…

          The Roissyites ONLY write against feminism because of feminism’s NWO ties. If feminism wasn’t tied to the NWO but still hurt men, they’d ignore feminism. They (the roissyites) don’t give a fuck if something hurts boys and men. Roissyites are not PRO-men, they are anti-secret-elite-NWO…

          AVfM on the other hand hates feminism BECAUSE feminism hurts men!!!! AVfM is PRO-men, period. That you could find mention of NWO tie ins in 2 out of SIXHUNDRED articles is a pretty pathetic argument. Perfection doesn’t exist and I do not expect it, my only criteria is whether a person is pro-male. AVfM only explores NWO ties and theories in an attempt to understand the enemy… It looks at all angles and is tied to none of them. The only allegiance AVfM has is PRO MALE…

          As a further example, look at PMAFT… He is the number one most pro-male blogger in the world, which is why I respect him. That he temporarily bought into some aspects of game theory does not diminish my respect for him. He isn’t defined by it-that’s the key. He only explores game as a potential tool in his pro-male quest.

          Roissyites are the OPPOSITE, they are rooted in game, and they see anti-feminism as a tool for spreading game/CT … Make sense?

          I used to not get your blog and couldn’t figure out your deal. Now, I understand because this blog and a few others like Alek Novy’s blog are the only sane blogs in the MRM universe.

          I do not run an MRA blog. All my MRA activism and MRA-ing goes through AVfM.

          I have a personal random rants and lifestyle tracking tumblog.

        • Mr. Smith’s IP is not the same as anyone else who has ever been here. I checked if he was using TOR or an anonymizer and he isn’t either so I think we can assume that he isn’t pretending to be anyone else.

          I hadn’t read all the posts on AVfM so I had no idea JtO was a conspiracy theorist. I don’t know if we can dismiss this so easily. So far I can’t tell if JtO isn’t just an anti-game and smarter Hawaiian Fat Blob. Their conspiracy theories are the same.

          Any comparison with PMAFT is invalid because we know there is such a thing as a sane and normal gamer. Every gamer outside of the Roissy bubble is like that. There is no such thing as a sane conspiracy theorist.

          Even if we assume that there is no problem with JtO, I am not working this hard fighting the Roissyite gamers just to give feminists ammo against the MRM and have the MRM fall into the lap of Alex Jones and Henry Makow. One of the reasons that nothing happened in mens rights for decades was because it was dominated by conspiracy theorists. I don’t want that to happen again.

    • Seriously, look at any of those Roissyphere blogs that have existed for years and track their comments years ago compared to now, including Roissy’s and Ferd’s. Many of them started out with sane commenters and they all only have batshit insane commenters left. Just by being themselves I think they already screened out the sane!

      It’s not just the comments. Look at the posts of those blogs. At Inmalafide, Bardamu used to be more sane, but then he started getting involved more and more with the “alt right”, white supremacists, and conspiracy theorists. Then he decides to make Inmalafide the looney bin by making it multi-author, and all of the new authors are either white supremacists or conspiracy theorists. The same decay happened in Bardamu’s personal life at the same time. He had an easy state government job, but couldn’t hack it anymore so he moves to middle of nowhere Vermont while getting deeper into white supremacism, the paleo diet, etc.

      Something similar happened to Hawaiian Fat Blob. When he started blogging he was employed in a relatively good full time job. As he got more involved with conspiracy theory, the “alt right”, the paleo diet, etc., his life got worse. His job became part time, and eventually evaporated. The only work he could get was in construction (probably because it’s obvious he’s a nutjob in real life), and he has to work at least 6 days a week. He’s doing a job that an illegal alien would do and only getting illegal alien pay for it.

      Over time they go deeper into the Paleo-Game Cult. Their lives get objectively worse, but they have the audacity to say that they’re getting better. For them this is only going to end in a manner similar to Jonestown.

      • Great insight Black Pill. Two more interesting cases are commenters Doug1 and PA. I went into heartiste archives they seemed almost normal years ago. Now they both seem unhinged cult members. Both seem to be LTR gamers. Seems roissy gamers who stick around for years fall into two camps of keyboard jockey. Either aspie hermits who rather mental masturbation to real pickup or LTR monogamous guys never cheat. Because they never test ideas in real world, just very limited sample size (0 in case of aspie hermits and 1 in case of LTR gamer), they never leave cult.

        Whole thing’s just collection of aspie keyboard jockeys. White nationalist aspie keyboard jockeys, fitness aspie keyboard jockeys, conspiracy theorist aspie keyboard jockeys, PUA keyboard aspie jockeys. That’s why crazy and angry as they are, don’t worry about any going postal. Just can’t see them leaving keyboards long enough. Too scared of world to go postal just like still too scared of women to actually approach hundreds needed for really field test this pickup bullshit.

        I’m going to start calling them Quixote Aspie Keyboard Cult or QAKC for short. Always tilting at digital windmills with their keyboards.

        (no offense against aspie people just aspie people with delusions grandeur who bash others for being aspie)

  18. Hi Alek,

    Not a criticism but was there a particular reason for disabling comments on your blog?

    Or am I just too thick to figure out how to post comments there…?

    Cheers.

  19. I agree Alek, I’ve been checking your blog and it’s great but I think comments would be good. Sure it would be flooded by PUA trolls but you’re not obligated to reply to them. If you’re worried about getting caught up in back and forth with them, just ignore them.

    • I’m a super super super super busy guy, so I have to shave off every extra minute of unnecessary work everywhere I can in the day… Otherwise I’ll have a nervous breakdown lol 

      I literally spread myself super-thin an d if you count going out as an activity, then I am active for 16 hours a day… I am living the life of 5 people and if I don’t cut every extra set of extraneous minutes in the day, I’ll just crash… Managing comments got to the point where it was an extra 15-30 minutes a day… I can’t afford that.

      Sure it would be flooded by PUA trolls but you’re not obligated to reply to them.

      I actually am “obliged”… I can’t let asinine idiotic bullshit statements just sit unanswered and unchallenged… It’s a deep instinct I have… I am like this in real life too, if someone makes an asinine statement, I can not let it fly by unanswered lol. 

      This is why I have a strict policy on which websites I even open on my conputer. I literally only open Forweg, BL, AVfM (sometimes scarecrow and Fidelbogen)… Because if I go anywhere else, I run the risk of running into nutcases, and then I’ll spend 20 minutes of my life responding do them… I can’t afford those 20 minutes, so I don’t even open such websites at all.

  20. Mr. Smith’s IP is not the same as anyone else who has ever been here. I checked if he was using TOR or an anonymizer and he isn’t either so I think we can assume that he isn’t pretending to be anyone else.

    Yah, I checked out his blog… The reason he sounded like a Futrelle to me it seems is because he’s a fence-sitter. You know the FeministCritic type guys who pride themselves on being “neither an MRA, nor a feminist” and who says “MRAs and feminists are equally crazy”

    Most of them are progressives, which is why they very often sound like Futrelle… They tend to actually agree with feminists on every other issue outside of feminism (like feminists, fence-sitters are also on the progressive left)

    Any comparison with PMAFT is invalid because we know there is such a thing as a sane and normal gamer. Every gamer outside of the Roissy bubble is like that. There is no such thing as a sane conspiracy theorist.

    Are you calling me insane? 🙂 because I think I am sane, yet I feel for Alex Jones type stuff for maybe a year or so…

    Note, I did not visit CT blogs, nor was I a member of forums analyzing CTs, nor did I blog on CTs. I merely assumed some of the Jones theories might be right. 

    If you had asked me to write an article on feminism back then, I too would have mentioned banksters, NWO etc… Etc…

    You have to note that this was 2 articles out of like a 100 articles (or however many he has)… A person qualifies as a CT-er, if he keeps tying in CT theories in every single topic and article and everything he does…

    Not so if he merely mentions (in passing) a CT when ranting against his enemy.

    I am not working this hard fighting the Roissyite gamers just to give feminists ammo against the MRM and have the MRM fall into the lap of Alex Jones and Henry Makow. One of the reasons that nothing happened in mens rights for decades was because it was dominated by conspiracy theorists. I don’t want that to happen again.

    I hear ya… I honestly see no such danger, since all the kooks have been chased away to roissysphere.

    The good thing is that when we chased away gamers, we automatically also chased away CTs, since they’re the same group of people. 

    • Yah, I checked out his blog…

      What blog is that? He didn’t leave a link to a blog in his comment.

      Are you calling me insane? 🙂 because I think I am sane, yet I feel for Alex Jones type stuff for maybe a year or so…

      Note, I did not visit CT blogs, nor was I a member of forums analyzing CTs, nor did I blog on CTs. I merely assumed some of the Jones theories might be right.

      If you had asked me to write an article on feminism back then, I too would have mentioned banksters, NWO etc… Etc…

      If you didn’t visit CT blogs or forums, then how did you end up agreeing with anything Alex Jones said? For that matter how did you end up agreeing with any Alex Jones stuff since Alex Jones is a man who thinks the world is run by a conspiracy taking orders from demons. ACTUAL LITERAL DEMONS.

      You have to note that this was 2 articles out of like a 100 articles (or however many he has)… A person qualifies as a CT-er, if he keeps tying in CT theories in every single topic and article and everything he does…

      I always thought a CTer was defined by their belief in CT.

      JtO may have only written a couple of CT articles (although we haven’t checked if there’s more), but they prove he’s deep into CT. This isn’t a man who said that he thought one conspiracy theory might be true. He wrote an entire post about Federal Reserve/fiat currency/banking conspiracy theory. If a man believes that, then he’s deep into CT, PERIOD. JtO isn’t a guy who happens to believe in just one conspiracy theory.

      Did you read the linked posts? JtO says that feminism was completely an elite/Rockefeller/CIA enterprise. JtO has completely denied the agency of women in feminism and is not holding women responsible for their feminist actions. That’s critical. I don’t care that he has only said it a few times because all that means is that JtO is smarter than the Roissyite gamers (which isn’t difficult). This isn’t mentioning CT in passing. CT is clearly central to JtO’s worldview.

      I hear ya… I honestly see no such danger, since all the kooks have been chased away to roissysphere.

      The good thing is that when we chased away gamers, we automatically also chased away CTs, since they’re the same group of people.

      We haven’t chased away the current crop of kooks because there’s still around the MRM yet. I hope that eventually we will because otherwise the MRM will get nowhere.

      The Roissysphere hasn’t absorbed all of the kooks who are only anti-feminist because of CT. The mythical tale of “Nick Rockefeller” (who convinently can’t be found anywhere) telling the now dead Aaron Russo that the Rockefellers were behind feminism is commonly passed around on CT websites to this day. None of these people have heard of the Roissysphere or the MRM. Hopefully, it will stay that way because otherwise the next wave of kooks will be them. I suspect we won’t be that lucky, and even if we are feminists can still use them against us to make us all look insane.

      If you want to see the MRM succeed, then CT needs to be purged from it completely. There is no other option. There are a lot of issues that aren’t relevant that we can agree to disagree on. CT is not one of them.

    • How did you check out my blog since I don’t have one? I don’t know what feministcritic is either.

      Since this is one of the few MRM blogs free of kooks, I thought you gentlemen would be interested in finding out AVFM was run by a kook. That’s all.

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