32 comments on “The Edge Of The MDAD

  1. Expatriating is a good idea for economic and cultural reasons in this modern world. You would have to be the biggest masochist on earth to marry ‘tortina’ and move to her country.

    The perception is that foreign women are better. Maybe they are, maybe they aren’t. On balance I prefer women of my home country over Canadian women 100% having experienced both. Should the economy back home improve I would move back. But only because of economics.

    • I have had a lot of bad experiences at the hands of my fellow man and some women.

      Most men will not talk about bad experiences unless another man says it first.

      However I actually lost a long time friend because I ranted about women in public during my early days of mgtow.

      I wish he actually called me out on my words instead of ending a long time friendship with no explanation.

      I really wish i didn’t have to learn the hardway about the nature of human self interest.

    • I have heard that Italian women (much like Argentinian and Spaniard women) though very pretty and feminine are very difficult to deal with and even tougher to lay. Do you still regard them as that much superior? Almost any group of women seem better to me than Anglosphere women.

      • Since I am Italian I can probably inform you of this correctly. Italian women from the cities on balance, are princesses. Boorish, reserved, and very expensive to maintain. However, because of class lines, the ‘average’ man is not looked upon with the disgust the average Canadian man is. An Italian woman knows quite well that the alpha males are far, far from her grasp.

        Should you decide to embrace chivalry in Italy by holding doors open, carrying heavy objects, and being polite and respectful, expect the women to respond with smiles, kisses, and invitations. Italian women like mammas boys because they know they can control men like that, Canadian women look at mammas boys as faggots or worse. My sister has said that she feels as though Canadians hate their parents, the men hate their mothers and the women hate their fathers. All of my sisters have moved back to Europe to marry Italian and French men.

        Aloof and cocky does not work in Italy. It works outrageously well in Canada. Most PUA and gamesters like Roosh would find France, Italy, and Switzerland almost impossible to have sex with women naturally. PUA would have to resort to tactics such as picking up drunk women outside a bar at closing time, their ‘day game’ fails utterly. It should not surprise you that in the industrialized European countries like Denmark, Iceland, PUA like Roosh have almost no sex. And he has admitted as much.

        • Thanks for your response. I like reading your perspectives. If Italian women are as you describe why do you prefer them to say other European women? Is it because you are from the upper class and don’t have to deal with what the average Italian man has to deal with? Also I am very curious, how are cads and men to choose to remain single treated in such society and by the women in such society? I would guess that such men would find greater social acceptance in Canada or America than someplace more traditional.

          You also include the example of your sisters. I would have thought that North America was pretty much a feminine dream, catering to women’s every whim. Why did they then decide to move back to Europe and marry European men? Are European men easier to sucker because they believe in “traditional roles” where he does all the work? haha

        • I am actually a fan of Roosh and I think he found it supremely easy to get laid in Iceland. Denmark was a different story. Though he found the women there to be too similar to American ones (only uglier) and was unmotivated. He admits to having much more trouble with Southern European (Balkan women) than anywhere else except Argentina. Also, to be fair, he has advocated turning “Beta” when macking in Europe as the regular American assholish behavior doesn’t work there. Which leads me to the question: Why do anglosphere women prefer such men while other women don’t?

        • ” If Italian women are as you describe why do you prefer them to say other European women?”

          Bad experiences I guess. Northern Women (And Anglo women, despite being sent to Loyola to eliminate my accent) look upon me as a sexual object because I am Napolitan. The ‘latin lover’ stereotype, as if I am a human dildo with no education.

          ” Is it because you are from the upper class and don’t have to deal with what the average Italian man has to deal with?’

          The simplest response is because I’m at the core a mammas boy. Indeed I have a privileged background, but that doesn’t help much because deep down I see my sisters and my mother in the women back home. When I was in Toulouse recently I felt much more at home because I didn’t feel suspicious eyes gazing upon me wherever I went. You cannot walk along a beach as an unattended male in North America without people instinctively looking to see where I am in proximity to their children. It is a sad state.

          “Also I am very curious, how are cads and men to choose to remain single treated in such society and by the women in such society? I would guess that such men would find greater social acceptance in Canada or America than someplace more traditional.”

          In a way. In the Anglosphere you are looked upon as a potential rapist or child molester. In continental Europe (Germany, the Netherlands included) you are likely looked at as a peculiarity. If attractive, a cad, if ugly, you are pitied but in a ‘poor guy, I hope he finds happiness’ way.

          “You also include the example of your sisters. I would have thought that North America was pretty much a feminine dream, catering to women’s every whim. Why did they then decide to move back to Europe and marry European men? Are European men easier to sucker because they believe in “traditional roles” where he does all the work? haha”

          I cannot speak about the particular motivations of my sisters. Of my 6 siblings, 3 of my sisters have moved back while I care for my youngest sister who is disabled. My eldest has said she hates Canadian men but she is of the ‘creepy loser beta males’ class of feminists so she probably doesn’t notice the decent men existing. There is also a certain exoticism for foreign men, I was 11 when we moved here, they are much younger than I.

      • I do have to add addition in regard to the stereotype of Mediterranean women as ‘very pretty and feminine’

        this is a lie. North American women are more attractive. However, North American women dress as though they are homeless when they are in their day to day lives. I live in a medium-sized university city, and the women dress in baggy sweat pants, pull-over sweaters, dirty trainers and their hair and faces unkempt and greasy. Going to classes or to the grocery store, coffee shop, or the library is where the highest quality men are present, yet they dress as slobs in these venues and are not open to the advances of men.

        They then dress as though they are prostitutes when they go to one place, the nightclub, to broadcast their sexuality to the nearby low-quality males out of desperation. This creates the paradox present in all of the Anglosphere of women broadcasting no signals of ‘ask me out’ at venues where quality men are present, then broadcasting ‘get me drunk and Ill give you blowjob in the bathroom’ at venues where low-quality men are present. And then they wonder who the good men are while sobbing into their ice cream container.

        • Nah man it isn’t stupidity on their part. They deliberately self sabotage. They don’t want to feel pressured by the good men. They are not ready for that yet!

        • North American women, I have come to the conclusion after much travel, and as much as it pains me to say it, are the best looking in the world. BUT – and it is a big but – they do everything in their power to squander their genetic gifts. They dress like pigs, act like men, and get fat, fat, fat! So FUNCTIONALLY, for all intents and purposes, North American women are some of the LEAST attractive on the planet! But oh, the potential…!

  2. As much as I bash Spearhead and other manosphere sites, I have to give them credit for even considering this alternative point of view that maybe foreign women aren’t all they’re cracked up to be. The article and some of the follow up comments actually make some good points. Of course a flood of butthurt commenters come in to whine and defend their ideas about the infallibility of foreign women. The whining is actually kind do funny although predictable.

  3. Excellent point. The ex-pats have it backwards. The now decades long Man Shortage is really a Woman Surplus. We should be exporting women – noisiest and most obnoxious ones first – not men.

    Men acting matrilocally is what feminists *want*. Being in a patrilocal system is much to be preferred, and like the bumper sticker says: be the change you want to see in the world.

    The UN goes to great lengths to measure the quality of men in all the cuntries of the world — by measuring the “status” of women. That they don’t do the same for men tells you women are pretty much the same everywhere.

      • I thought big pharma drugging about a quarter of `em with anti-depressants was like a big test-marketing experiment, but I know BP hates wacky conspiracy theories so I won’t take it any farther. Ok, I just made it up.

        Maybe it was something they caught from copacabanabananaboy while slutting it up abroad, and then brought back here. Women are better behaved around unfamiliar men. That’s why patrilocality works. Home field advantage, essentially, I guess.

  4. I love ya BP, but this is simply not true. Guys who cannot get ANY sex in America will be able to get an abundance of sex with – admittedly ugly, low class – girls in Asia particularly, but also South America and Eastern Europe. The fact is that there is an abundance of skinny girls in these countries, so even the ugly ones are somewhat viable sexually. But seriously, guys who cannot get even nasty fatties in the US can get ugly, but at least skinny and feminine, girls in these poor countries. And while these girls are not problem-free – which are? – they are usually much sweeter, and have far less a sense of entitlement, than their American counterparts.

    I do lots of business in Asia, and I see – and speak to – guys who would be 100% celibate in America, year after year, hook up with tons of girls. It must be stressed that these girls are NOT pretty – they are pretty ugly for the most part, the leftovers, but they ARE thin, and ARE feminine, and often sweet and well behaved, and to a guy doomed to celibacy in America, they surely represent salvation, I would imagine. Most of the guys hooking up with these girls seem to have a sense of gratitude at their good fortune, even though the girls can be pretty ugly.

    And any guy who can get hot girls in America, will be just as able to get them in Asia or South America or Eastern Europe, so would have no prupose “expatting” just for women. So the guys who might consider expatting for women – the sexual losers – really DO improve their situation!

    Now before you say these girls are just prostitutes, the money element here is no greater than than that typical of many marriages in America, where girls will marry guys percieved to be wealthy.

    • George, you’re like walking, talking proof that Newton was right: “In learning the sciences, examples are of more use than precepts.” So’s BP.

    • George is correct in all aspects. If an Anglo man is fully intent on expatriating just for the pussy he should know in advance: You will not get a woman in Italy of greater quality than these two. Yes they are thin, and I say nothing of their personalities, but this is the top quality face you will be able to get:

        • A little bit hah! Many men think they will be assaulted by Monica Bellucci as soon as they step off the plane. They are typical cute, average looking girls in any European country. Expats should be aware that if they are getting this quality of woman in North America they are already attaining the best they will be capable of getting looks wise.

          personality is something different entirely.

          (The one on the right is somewhat famous).

        • ybm,

          Thanks for sharing your knowledge about your native land. The one on the right is cute but not all that. Of course it would be harder for us to get better looking women in a foreign land where we are strangers and have no status.
          It is different for you though right? You are originally from there and have status.

      • What ybm says makes sense. Unless you find a way to secure a firm position as part of a hig social circle, as an unattached, random expat, in almost any place in the world, you won’t be able to break the 7 barrier in terms of beauty, however incredible your personal charms (although I would say those 2 girls hover around 5-6. Decent, but I hope slightly better than that is available to foreigners. But maybe Italy is particularly closed). Most of the world simply isn’t “open” to foreigners like America or England are, and even America, which is incredibly open, has barriers in place for socially un-tethered foreigners in its most open city, New York (trust me, I know). A good looking, cool foreigner can go far, but only so far, without becoming really integrated into the social fabric.

        The local super-hotties might eye fuck you all night in the clubs and might gleefully chat with you, but when it comes to going home with a guy for the night, she will pick the chubby but high status local from her peer and family approved social circle, or better yet – the hot, high status local guy who has it all. Social barriers are REAL – read some 19th century English fiction 🙂

    • Going to a second or third world country where you get (ugly) women who are interested in you because of your wealth does not seem to be a real improvement in a man’s dating life. We can talk about men who get no attention from American/Western women suddenly getting attention from them after they turn 30 and are about the hit the wall with a lot of debt and other baggage (which might include kids and a previous divorce), but that isn’t an improvement in a man’s dating life either. Suggesting this is a valuable opportunity is just part of the MDAD.

      • I think you take too idealistic a view, BP, perhaps even a bit naive.

        Women are interested in men for non-personal reasons like social status and wealth in America too, so I don’t see how it is that different. That’s just a big part of the relationship between the sexes anywhere you go. These poor women are not interested in these men exclusively for money, but financial support does play a role, obviously, like it always has in traditional societies. But genuine affection is not absent. If these women are willing to play the role of affectionate, dutiful wife in exchange for financial support, and also feel a certain amount of genuine affection, well, that is just the kind of arrangement that blends practical and emotional considerations in a way that traditionally governed marriage all across the world. Mating is not – and should not be, in my view – all romance.

        A few words about the ugliness thing. In America, there is a huge gap between girls who are 5’s and below, say, and 7’s up. The 7s and up in America are probably more beautiful than anywhere else in the world. An American 9 is prettier – by far – than an Asian or Eastern European 9. It’s the below five’s where the problems become huge. An American 4, say, is SIGNIFICANTLY uglier than an Asian or E European 4 – to the point where the American has practically zero sex appeal. An Asian 4 manages to retain – through being thin, dressing well, and working hard to maintain a sweet, feminine demeanor – a not inconsiderable degree of sex appeal. So for the American who can get 3s and 4s going to a country where the 3s and 4s are so much better is a huge improvement in his situation. Not to mention, he will be treated so much better – so long as he is able to maintain the traditional masculine role of being the provider. Personally, I do not find that cynical or mercenary, nor does it preclude genuine affection. I find it refreshingly honest and understanding of human nature. Conversely, for guys who can get 7s and up in America, going to Asia or E Europe would mean getting 7s and up in those places that don’t measure up to what he is used to in America. That’s the flip side.

        • George, I’m saying and have been saying for a long time that women are the same everywhere. Thus expating to get women is a foolhardy exercise. The only difference is that a second or third world woman’s gold digging standards are lower because they have less wealth.

        • Ah, I see. Fair enough then. But at least men will be getting sex and affection – of some kind – in these countries, so it’s an improvement in their situation, as long as they are clear eyed about what is going on. So it can make sense for them.

          And as for women being the same everywhere, I do agree, but in more traditional cultures social restraints are often placed on the worst excesses of the female psyche, so you tend to get better behaved, more moral women. Western women got truly awful only when traditional restraints were finally removed. And, the legal system – and pervasive cultural misandry and things like “white knighting” and chivalrous attitudes which don’t exist there- does not enable women’s worst tendencies quite as much as here.

        • But at least men will be getting sex and affection – of some kind – in these countries, so it’s an improvement in their situation, as long as they are clear eyed about what is going on.

          Sex yes, affection I’m not so sure about. Or at the very least true affection. If a man is willing to undergo a “relationship” with a woman where they’re just using each other for various things and is aware of that, I’m not going to stop him. The problem is that at least 99.999% of men going into this situation aren’t clear eyed about it.

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