100 comments on “I Am Roissy Number 4

    • Yes, I hacked Hugo Schwyzer’s twitter. I made up a bunch of absurd things that I thought could never happen to anyone. It turned out that Hugo was actually doing those things as I wrote them.

      Roosh, Mark Minter, and Matt Forney are the same person. (I can’t tell you how I know that.) At least 75% of manospherians are Matt Forney.

  1. I highly doubt the guy writing Heartiste today is the same guy who wrote it three years ago. Just look at the difference between the subject matter.

    You are just another cultural Marxist. Your ideology is basically feminism upside-down, where instead of men being the “systemic problem,” women are. You take what is most certainly a biological reality and whine “it’s not faaaiiiirr” to high heaven. You of course make good points, about divorce, false rape accusation and such, but the fact is that even if you got all your desired legislative outcomes, you’d still be whining, because you are at war with biology, at war with tradition. People like you give the Men’s Rights Movement a bad name.

    • I highly doubt the guy writing Heartiste today is the same guy who wrote it three years ago. Just look at the difference between the subject matter.

      Are you serious?

      You are just another cultural Marxist.

      Cultural Marxists have actually got things done and been pretty successful.

    • I highly doubt the guy writing Heartiste today is the same guy who wrote it three years ago. Just look at the difference between the subject matter.

      What difference in subject matter? In the beginning he was cribbing advice from all the PUAs and relationship gurus, so maybe that’s why his relationship advice might have seemed better back then. When he ran out of new stuff to crib, he was forced to repeat himself ad nauseum because he has very few original thoughts or innovative ideas. The reason his advice seems worse to some readers now is that over time his deficiencies were bound to become apparent. You can only fake it for so long.

      As far as his other subject matter, like politics, scientific racism, etc., he’s always believed that. He was just really passive aggressive about it. However, he’s always linked to racist blogs in his blogroll and commented on racist blogs for years.

      The style is the same, the subject matter is the same. Grow a brain.

      You are just another cultural Marxist. Your ideology is basically feminism upside-down, where instead of men being the “systemic problem,” women are. You take what is most certainly a biological reality and whine “it’s not faaaiiiirr” to high heaven. You of course make good points, about divorce, false rape accusation and such, but the fact is that even if you got all your desired legislative outcomes, you’d still be whining, because you are at war with biology, at war with tradition.

      What the hell are you talking about? What biological fact is BP warring against? You’re so bent on repeating manosphere stock phrases and arguments you’re not even thinking them through.

      • Roissy used to have much more insight, now it’s mostly responses to readers and “look at this dumb feminist” posts. Still good, but it’s not what it used to be. I am a racist, because I believe that race exists and that Americans have a right to stop their nation from being turned into Mexico, so I have no problem with that. Black Pill’s arguments are mostly whining about how “women are eeevvvilll” for doing things they are really biologically inclined to do, it’s like feminists who whine about men not being attracted to fat women as if they are committing some moral sin. As for his views on game, I’d say he is plain wrong. According to him, women only care about looks and money, I live and work in silicon valley, which is full of men who have both but struggle to get laid.

        • Black Pill’s arguments are mostly whining about how “women are eeevvvilll” for doing things they are really biologically inclined to do

          Wow, you have one of the most extreme cases of advanced manospheritis I’ve ever seen. One of the main symptoms is total lack of self-awareness.Your at a terminal, incurable state.

          First off, ALL MANOSPHERE BLOGS DO ALL DAY IS COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW “WOMEN ARE EEEVVVILLL” FOR DOING THINGS THEY ARE REALLY BIOLOGICALLY INCLINED TO DO. Their word for this biological inclination is “hypergamy,” and they bitch about it all day long, in blog after blog. Complaining about why women are evil for their biological urges is all the manosphere is about. The only difference is, manospherians, despite considering women evil for their biological urges, still try to study these biological urges so they can find better ways to beg for pussy. This hypocrisy is called “game.”

          What is it with manospherians and their tendency to project their faults on others all the time?

        • There are whiners, omegas, and cultural marxists among the manoshpere, but mostly we know not to hate women for their nature. We, however, understand that it is something that needs to be controlled for society to function, and our hatred should be directed at the cultural marxists in power now, not the women, who are as much victims of it as we are. Black Pill, on the other hand, simply argues that women are inherently evil and traditional society is evil for trying to control it.

        • We, however, understand that it is something that needs to be controlled for society to function, and our hatred should be directed at the cultural marxists in power now, not the women, who are as much victims of it as we are.

          What you’re saying is that women have no agency.

          And this is why conspiracy theory should be constantly be attacked. All conspiracy theories say or imply that women have no agency letting them avoid responsibility for their behavior.

        • I’m biologically inclined to want to take a shit anywhere I want or to and to cave in people’s skulls over trivial shit, among other things.

          The fact of the matter is that civilization and all of these nice things we have don’t really work if everyone just does that kind of of hedonistic shit. We have moral systems that tend to be argued, reasoned, and thought out so that we can go against our natural urges and make this work. Almost everything humanity has done that is worthwhile is in defiance of nature. I don’t see why it’s wrong to hold women to the same standards.

          That aside on the sexual end, the fall of assortative mating as enforced by law and culture and re-introduction of feral polygnous mating doesn’t work. It’s not gonna end well. The writing is on the wall.

          BP is basically right though, it is about looks and money (looks in terms of success in reproduction) and the guys you’re seeing in silicon valley are probably very damaged guys with PTSD-like symptons from growing up in this shitty culture and would do fine otherwise.

    • It wouldn’t even be so bad if it was just a conspiracy theory of the week. These nutjobs actually have believed this conspiracy as gospel for over three years now, despite the exact same language, tone, subject matter, and insanely frequent posting schedule.

    • Conspiracy theory

      “A conspiracy theory is an explanatory proposition that accuses two or more people, a group or an organization of having caused or covered up, through deliberate collusion, an event or phenomenon of great social, political, or economic impact.”

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

      I don’t know that a blog being written by multiple people qualifies as a “conspiracy theory.” But hey, cultural Marxists love to redefine words.

      • The definition you posted for conspiracy exactly describes what would be happening if two or more people covering up through deliberate collusion an event. In this case the event would be the departure of the original Roissy only to be replaced by pretenders.

        It’s obvious, using your own definition, that believing an apparent single authour blog is actually being secretly written by multiple people in order to keep the appearance of the original author still writing it qualifies as a conspiracy theory. But here, weaselly manospherians love to deny obvious facts.

        • I suppose by that definition two toddlers who colluded to raid the cookie jar would be considered a “conspiracy.” The point is that Roissy’s blog, notwithstanding the hatred it has caused in some people, is not really “of great social, political, or economic impact.” Nor is it an outlandish proposal, it is rather common for blogs of that type to written by multiple people.

        • I suppose by that definition two toddlers who colluded to raid the cookie jar would be considered a “conspiracy.”

          Is your reasoning really this awful or are you just trolling us by pretending to be this daft?

          The point is that Roissy’s blog, notwithstanding the hatred it has caused in some people, is not really “of great social, political, or economic impact.”

          Come on, man. A conspiracy is multiple people getting together to carry out a covert, self-serving plan. You’re either weaselly or dense but either way that defense you’re attempting is ridiculous.

          Nor is it an outlandish proposal, it is rather common for blogs of that type to written by multiple people.

          It is outlandish the minute you begin to think about it critically? Where does he recruit this team from? What’s in it for them to do it anonymously, totally uncredited, without even the benefit of an internet handle? Does he pay them? If so, with what money? The site has no ads and no sponsors and Roissy has a mid-level bureaucratic job. Are they doing all this writing for free? How are they so good at imitating that exact same writing style? Who is the one who maintains the twitter feed? Why would Roissy’s own real-life best friend write a blog post calling out Roissy as becoming increasingly unhinged and racist and argue with him on twitter about it now if the current guy was different than the original guy?

        • A point Black Pill has made many times is the “conspiracy theory bad.” If “conspiracy theory” can be redefined to include anything where two people collude to deceive someone, something that happens ALL THE TIME in the real world, you can constantly accuse the “manosphere” of having “conspiracy theories” and then compare them to the cooks the word is normally associated with. It is a classic cultural Marxist tactic. If the word is defined that way, of course, every other post Black Pill rights can be considered a “conspiracy theory,” but hypocrisy is common among cultural marxists.

          Many writers among the anti-left write anonymously or at least pseudonymously, I wouldn’t think “grizzly” is your real name, I wouldn’t think you’re being payed to write this. Besides, he has always had a “donate” button. I don’t think the writing style is the same, I think the older posts are written differently than the more recent posts. Can’t prove it scientifically, just a suspicion I have.

        • If “conspiracy theory” can be redefined to include anything where two people collude

          This blog is in American English so you can’t redefine terms willy nilly and get away with it.

        • Besides, he has always had a “donate” button.

          No he hasn’t. It was a relatively recent addition to his blog, after the name change, long after the multiple writers theory emerged.

  2. This is fascinating:

    http://dannyfrom504.com/2013/08/15/middle-school/

    A manospherian spreads the multiple writers myth, and claims “insider knowledge” that there are now 5-6 writers sharing duties at Chez Roissy now, and that one of the writers is Firepower. One of his manospherian readers does something surprising and asks if he actually has any proof of this claim and asks what exactly his “insider knowledge” consists of, because he doesn’t buy it.

    Hilarity ensues, as the guy’s “insider knowledge” is shown to be remarkably flimsy, and he starts getting angry at being called out about it. It’s amazing to actually see the gullibleosphere thought process at work…

  3. I’ve seen this claim a LOT actually.

    It’s plausible.

    Consider the fact that Heartiste went full on racist white nationalist after the Lady Raine affair.

    Prior to that, he merely hinted at racist opinions but after Lady Raine got her sweet revenge on him (and remember, Roissy was that the one who fucked with Lady Raine first), Heartiste emerged. It was around this time that some white nationalist bloggers to whom Roissy was sympathetic to (he linked to them on his blog roll) went off the grid. And voila, Heartiste emerged.

    Roissy was always symatpethic to the cause of white nationalism but didn’t much produce material for it — his focus was always game/feminism. But after the Lady Raine affair he (possibly) decided to share his platform with other racists/white nationalists and hence the modern Heartiste blog emerged, where the focus is more on blacks than it is on game/women/feminism.

    • You have your timeline wrong. He was gradually escalating the racism even before the Lady Raine affair. He started off doing it really subtly but was becoming more and more overt with it. After Lady Raine outed him, he didn’t immediately go full white nationalist. In fact, he went the opposite. He shut down for a little while and then started vigorously editing his blog. He took off all of his most offensive and vilest posts and whitewashed the blog some. Then he put it back up. People noticed many of the original, more controversial posts were now gone. He also toned down some of his more vile hyperbole.

      Obviously this was because he was no longer anonymous. He toned down his blog a lot because he was somewhat muzzled. His first attempt to try to regain his anonymity was to change his name to Citizen Renegade. The problem was, the blog was still located at the roissy.wordpress.com address. So people could still figure out the blog was by the blogger formerly known as Roissy and from there connect that to his real name. He needed to go a step further.

      So one day, he suddenly takes down his blog without warning, with no redirect to the new address. The new blog has a new name (Heartiste) and a new address with no mention of the old name or old address. It was his way of faking his “blog death” and regaining his anonymity. It was THEN that he went crazy with the racism and conspiracy politics. Between seeding the “new multiple replacement writers” theory and erasing his old blog and propping it back up under a new name and address, he now believed he succeeded in distancing the blog from his real name and felt emboldened to be as racist and hateful as he was starting to become before Lady Raine outed him.

      That’s all far more plausible than your theory of him shutting down his old blog, then recruiting white nationalists to shut down their blogs to master his writing style then secretly blog under his name for years with no credit and no pay.

  4. Is there some new gullibleosphere blog linking here lately? After not hearing from the for a while suddenly there’s been a recent wave of delusional true believers coming here recently. I thought there weren’t true believers this bad anymore.

    • you do realize that if one of the Roissy’s was Firepower and Kate posts at his nazi site then, well, since Roissy congradulated Kate, then he could be Firepower who could also be Kate. Of course Mark Minter could be all made up and then Rooshie Pookie went all BPD histrionic over nothing.

      This is funnier than shit!

      Also nice that Firepower hasn’t commented and he seems to be everywhere, especially where he is not wanted.

      The silence is deafening.

      • Its fine, all of you are just figments of my imagination anyway.

        More to the point: i do not think it is a stretch to think that many of the more prolific manospherians are sockpuppets in light of the revelation that at least 3 of them (matt forney, ferdnand and koanic) are all the same person.

        • haha, I thought Ferdinand Bardimu was Advocatus Diaboli at one point….

          also shows what a pervy mind I have but when I first saw the term sockpuppet, I thought it was some kind of reference to jacking off with a fleshlight thing…

        • I don’t believe Koanic is the same person at Matt Forney.Koanic is a special breed of crazy even by manosphere standards. Also, while there is rampant sockpuppetry around the manosphere, I still think all the evidence points to only one Roissy. Sure I can believe that Roissy may sockpuppet other blogs to boot, but he’s the only voice on his own blog.

  5. I am fairly new to the “manosphere” but subscribe now to about 20 blogs and read a half-dozen more on the Internet. Roissy/Heartiste’s blog was hyped to me as the premier blog of the sphere so I subscribed and have been reading the blog now for about eight months. I do not know the details of his “outing” but I did take the liberty to read some of his much earlier postings and the writing seems much clearer and more straightforward and there is a voice behind the writings that is now masked by an affected grandiloquence. I enjoy the blogs of Danny, a writer who not only gives gaming tips through his stories in a non-didactic and down-to-Earth way, but also has a clear writing voice without affectation. I also enjoy C. M. Sturges, Privateman, Random Xpat and even Roosh when he is not in his “ex cathedra” pontifical stance. I, too, have noticed that Roissy is interjecting racist material into his postings and he often does this in a sort of veiled manner and masks his true intent with his high-flown writing style. I have no idea if the blog is the work of one man or many people but it appears to be written by a person who spends a lot more time theorizing about game and racial issues than actually offering practical advice on becoming a better person and improving one’s game. i am reminded of the words of Schopenhauer, a true genius unlike the wannabe Roissy, who said, “Only he who writes for the sake of what he has to say writes anything at all worth reading.” Unlike some of the better bloggers, Roissy seems to be writing mainly for himself and his voice, such as it is, reminds me of a mixture of Edward Gibbon and D. H. Lawrence. Roissy is obviously of superior intellect though I am much opposed to his thinly-veiled racism. His writing, though, is unnecessarily high-flown and abstruse and detracts from any ideas he might be promulgating rather than saying anything that would be helpful to his many readers. The fact that he has such a huge following is proof that many people are capable of being hoodwinked.

  6. . I do not know the details of his “outing” but I did take the liberty to read some of his much earlier postings and the writing seems much clearer and more straightforward and there is a voice behind the writings that is now masked by an affected grandiloquence.

    The explanation is simple. It’s just a case of the man getting carried away with his internet fame. You can see the grandiosity increasing gradually with his popularity. It wasn’t a sudden, overnight thing. There’s no reason to start coming up with conspiracies to explain it.

      • Dude, we’ve all read a retarded game blog or two in our day. We get what you’re going for here. “Amused mastery” and a “reframe.”

        That childush game stuff doesn’t work with us (actually it doesn’t work anywhere, but that’s a story for another time).

        • Dude, we’ve all read a retarded game blog or two in our day. We get what you’re going for here. “Amused mastery” and a “reframe.”

          That childush game stuff doesn’t work with us (actually it doesn’t work anywhere, but that’s a story for another time).

          I know. We have seen it a thousand times before. I wish the gamers would try something new for a change. It would be a refreshing change of pace.

      • GL Piggy luvs Roissy but hates firepower…

        You will make him cry if you tell him (one) of da Rossy’s is FP.

        While your at it tell ’em that HBD is about as real as the tooth faery or Santa Clause…

        those “alter-rigthies” will insult you like the man hating feminist’s they secretly are…

        then feel free to drop this link:

        http://dearwhitefeminists.wordpress.com/update/

        Tell ’em stonerwithaboner sent ya over (they don’t much like me.)

        I don’t know the veracity of what your saying, but if it’s true, it’s funnier than shit.

        In the unlikely even we meet IRL, I’ll buy ya a big, cold Stone IPA…

        • oh, yeah…

          the point of the link is to show ’em they are much more like Mandy Marcrappy and all the other femmies they claim to hate than low status guys like me…

        • the first time I had it, I thought someone poured coffee in my beer…

          the third time I had it I was hooked.

          it is waaaay better than buttwiper or pabst-I could piss a better beer…

        • <blockquoteGL Piggy luvs Roissy but hates firepower…

          You will make him cry if you tell him (one) of da Rossy’s is FP.

          You don’t actually believe that, do you? As bad as Roissy’s current writing is, I don’t think Firepower is capable of even that. He’s a total moron. Not that it matters since there aren’t multiple Roissys to begin with.

        • “You don’t actually believe that, do you? As bad as Roissy’s current writing is, I don’t think Firepower is capable of even that. He’s a total moron. Not that it matters since there aren’t multiple Roissys to begin with.”

          Grizzly, I don’t know what to believe at this point, it would be funny if true and it would be even funnier if Danny pissed of WN lite ™ Chuckster…

          Ironically, FapperPuddle called me an idiot. Looks can be deceiving, maybe he is “that stupid” or maybe it’s all an act which would make him one of the greatest trolls of all time. It’s tough to believe he actually believes most of what he says. Shit, I don’t think David Fraudtrelle actually believes most of what he says, he just enjoys hurting low status men…

        • Lol. So now you block my responses to your talking shit to me. How adorable.

          Sack up and let my comments through when you speak I’ll if me. Quit hiding sweetie.

        • Thank you for linking me. I appreciate it. I really have nothing against you. But the fact that I’ve raised your ire is amusing.

          You don’t want a relationship with a woman…..great- best to you.

          My site I’d for guys that DO want a woman in their lives.

          Enjoy your weened.

        • I really have nothing against you. But the fact that I’ve raised your ire is amusing.

          That’s what you get for making false accusations like that I’m blocking your comments.

          Besides we know your shtick. You’re not fooling us.

        • Lol. Ok. But as long as you keep hiding behind anonymity, you’re a pussy.

          I’m not hiding. Grow a sack sweetie and blog openly. Until you do, I can’t take you seriously.

        • Lol. Ok. But as long as you keep hiding behind anonymity, you’re a pussy.

          Trying to change the subject is not going to work. Everyone reading this blog understands what you’re trying to do.

          I’m not hiding.

          How do I know that? Danny may not be your real name. That may not be your real picture in your gravatar.

          Grow a sack sweetie and blog openly. Until you do, I can’t take you seriously.

          This is probably a surprise to you, but I don’t care what you think. To me you’re just a random manospherian in a sea of manospherians, almost all of whom are indistinguishable from each other. Since you’re still here, I must be significantly more important to you than you are to me.

        • why does this creepy fucking weirdo keep calling you sweetie

          what a psycho.

          that’s what these social robot manospherians do. they have no normal social instincts, so they just try these one-size-fits-all tactics they learn from game blogs when it comes to social interaction, but the same lack of social awareness that made them socially awkward before they found game blogs leaves them totally unaware of how they actually look to normal people after they learn and start applying these game tactics.

          this dude probably read a ton of game blogs and read these tips on how to “out-alpha” dudes, shame them, and show dominance by talking to them as if they were women. and he also read some dumb roissy shit about always cultivate an image of “amused mastery” and “reframe” everything to make it seem like you’re the one in control and no matter what the other person is doing, they’re actually just playing into your master plan. (real roissy advice by the way, all of it)

          so that’s what he’s trying to do here with the “sweeties” and the “you played into my plan by discussing my post” bullshit. it’s what all manospherians try to do: robotically use game advice by the numbers no matter what the situation. that’s why when they come here they all sound and act exactly the same, in an interchangeable way. they all think they’re coming off like these master alphas that are laughing off and manipulating jealous haters, when to any sane onlooker they actually look like sheltered, psychotic cult members with delusions of grandeur and a shaky grasp on reality.

          this inability to actually see the vast difference between how they think they come off in a social interaction and how they actually come off in a social interaction is why you totally can’t trust them when they say how well they’re doing with women.

        • Makes sense grizz. I figured it was some sort of uberalphadarktriad bs but i had hoped it was something to do with a regional dialect. Kind of like the stereotype that your southern americans have of calling everyone sugar like on the cartoon “king of the hill”.

        • You really have no idea how you come across, do you?

          Well, he is dumb enough to actually believe there are multiple Roissys, so it’s not surprising.

      • “Lol. Ok. But as long as you keep hiding behind anonymity, you’re a pussy.

        I’m not hiding. Grow a sack sweetie and blog openly. Until you do, I can’t take you seriously”

        Mr.504…

        not everyone who blogs anon is a “pussy.”

        Maggie McNeil writes about prostitution and since that is stigmatized (and there may be legal consequences) it is not cowardice that she blogs anon…

        I’d also suggest that many of the things Mr. Black Pill talks about are equally as stigmatized and therefore for reasons only he may know, he prefers anonymity…

        I’ve actually thought about doxxing myself. It would probably have little consequences IRL and since I’m a little fish in a big pond, it really wouldn’t matter much…

        However if I did doxx myself, I’d probably wind up telling the real reason I went MGTOW/Grasseater and that might embarrass my family. It’s not because I am a bitter basement dwelling virgin with a really small penis. (Of course at that point, I’m sure someone would ask for pix as proof.)

        I don’t have anything against you personally and as I’ve seen you say to others “agree to disagree.”

        • SWAB, don’t bother taking his demand for real names seriously. We don’t know if the names they use are real, and it’s nothing but a trick anyway.

      • @Grizzly

        I haven’t blogged about this on my privateBlog, due to lack of time, but a funny thing has happened in my own niche. These three PUAs joined, and they go around “gaming” every chick in sight (including all my fuckbuddies).

        Now, the funny part is how unaware these bozos are about how they come across. Literally women’s eyes roll whenever these bozos walk into a room, and there’s a room-wide “ok, here come the creeps” reaction.

        I love it when the weirdest of them all is “gaming” my main FB, and she has this leaning back language like “someone please rescue me OMG” and he doesn’t even notice, he just keeps throwing negs and cocky banter and this and that and the other.

        While most of the other people view them with disgust, since I know what they’re trying to do, I view them with heartbroken compassionate amusement.

        • Exactly! And those same guys when describing those same interactions you observed will tell the story like they were totally killing it with the ladies. Also, any onlookers or friends who realized the girls were uncomfortable and came by to rescue them will register to the PUAs as cockblockers who screwed up a “sure thing” and that’s how they’ll tell the story to others.

        • Remember though, according to gamers you’re not allowed to look at evidence on game unless you yourself beg for pussy.

  7. I see what is going on here. It is simply an easier pill to swallow that you aren’t getting any because you are poor and ugly, rather than because of a lack of social skills.

    • Social skills don’t get you laid, escalation does.

      Social skills and smoothness are highly correlated to womanizing, but they are an effect, not a cause.

      Whether you approach women all akward and creepy or super-smooth, the ratio is roughly the same (provided you escalate hard). The only difference is that when you’re akward the rejections are more nuclear, but when you’re smooth the rejections are so polite they don’t even look like rejections (more like it didn’t work out)

      GLL (good looking loser) did a nice experiment on this where he approached badly on purpose until he got like a dozen lays I think, and found he had the same ratio as when he’s smooth.

      The more women you lay, the more smooth you’ll become and higher your social skills will become… and your lays will seem a lot more “magical”, however there’s no magic, it’s still just you making the moves.

      I can take ANY asocial hermit and get him laid tonight, if I just brute-force him to escalate on enough women. Whereas a charming super-socially-skilled jock can sit in the corner and get nothing.

      • Social skills don’t get you laid, escalation does.

        Well said Alek, and I agree. I want to just add, the only way I can remotely buy the claim that social skills get you laid is if you include in social skills knowing who to escalate with (reading which women are genuinely attracted to you and open to your approach), quickly reading which interested, attracted prospects offer the best logistics, and knowing when and how much to escalate during an interaction. But even those “social skills” would still fall under escalation.

        To put it another way, the only “social skills” that matter are the ability to figure out when, where, how to properly escalate and who to best escalate with. It still comes down to escalation at the end of the day, like Alek says.

        • And even then, that skill only matter in terms of reducing rejection (i.e. not escalating on non-interested chicks).

          A guy with no social skills can get laid as much as a super-calibrated guy can tonight.

          The only difference? The super-calibrated guy will only escalate on the 3 chicks in the room who are interested. The socially clueless guy will escalate and get rejected by 15 other chicks before he escalate on the 3 interested chicks.

          Same end result – only difference is number of rejections.

        • Alek, I’ll even go so far as to say that too much of what people traditionally think of as social skills can actually HURT you in getting laid. Most of my friends who get chronically friendzoned left and right are the ones with the best social skills. They end up keeping lots of time-wasting girls in their social orbit who aren’t the least bit sexually interested in them because of they’re so much fun to socialize with.

          My friends with just so-so social skills don’t have this problem as often. They aren’t exactly dazzling conversationalists or super witty, so if a girl keeps calling them to hang out or orbiting them, chances are she’s sexually attracted because it sure as hell isn’t his conversation.

          Also, my most socially skilled friends are often the worst escalators because they spent way too much time telling jokes, bonding over stories, listening to girl’s problems, andmaking small talk and forget to ever escalate. My less socially skilled friends on the other hand escalate quicker.

      • Ah, the old Alek is back! Welcome back Alek – this is the kind of thing you stopped saying for a while (I know, I know, you didn’t, context, blah, blah…get real, dude), but you’re back in fine form. Glad to see it. What you say is 100% true.

  8. They can’t tell that we’re different people so they sure as hell can’t tell that Roissy is multiple guys.

    Hey BP, is this a typo? It seems like it should read “Roissy ISN’T multiple guys.”

    • 99.9% of paleo dieters have no idea how to hunt. Of the ones that do, none of them know how hunt in the context of a man from 10,000 years ago just like they aren’t familiar with how a man ate 10,000 years ago.

      The bigger problem for them is that there is no collapse coming.

      • The best evidence for how people hunted 10,000 years ago (or in Paleolithic times generally) suggests that it involved a lot of things that gamers can’t handle – like, for example, cooperation between and among males of different strengths and abilities. In a hunter-gatherer band in paleolithic times, one man might be a better hunter than another, but the less agile, less strong, less “alpha” males might include men who were better skilled at crafting arrows and other weapons, “wiser” when debating and discussing within the group. Incidentally, decision-making in paleolithic hunter-gatherer bands was NOT, according to the evidence historians and anthropologists have, all about the “alpha males” of Roissyite-psuedohistory dominating all the other wealking males, but rather was involved debate, discussion, and consensus, as well as blurred distinctions between what we now call “reason” and what we now call the “spiritual and metaphysical”. In other words, a male (or female) could be highly regarded in the group for being a good shaman – and what made the group consider someone a good shaman had everything to do the subjective right-brained kind of non-rational stuff that Roissyite pseudoscience dismisses or, worse, lampoons as the stuff of feminist carp. There aren’t many people left in the world who live as our paleolithic ancestors did, but there are a few and there were enough in recent years that anthropologists and other scholars have good evidence from interviews, etc. to get insight into how hunter-gatherer group dynamics and decision-making were likely to have worked in paleolithic times. It’s nothing like the Roissyite gamer fantasy of a brutish, strong, athletic alpha male domineering the rest and getting all the girls. To put it bluntly to the gamers: in their supposed paleolithic ideal, sorry to disappoint them but the girls fucked not only the guy who was the good hunter and brought down the game, but the guy whose arrows were known to the group as damn good, the guy who when trancing really seemed to have an “in” with spirits, and the guy who when everybody was around the council fire sounded really wise. To be fair, Roissy himself does kind of allude to this reality in his “Sixteen rules of poon” or whatever it is when he advises men today to play to their strengths. Overall, however, the gamer view of the Paleolithic past is distorted and is really about their fantasy world more than understanding human behavior, then and now.

        • I was leafing through an evo-psyche book today and the first thing I read was that “signals” to the opposite sex must be “cheat proof” to be effective. If it’s something just anyone can adopt, it never would have been selected for.

          So right there, one of the foundational principles of evo-psyche, demolished the entire rationale of game! Yet these idiots actually cite evo-pscyhe as favoring their silly project of “learning” how to signal genetic fitness to women! By it’s very nature a signal of genetic fitness cannot be “learned” – it’s learning-proof be design, or it’s not a signal, and could not possibly have been selected for!

          Evo-pscyhe in general is hardly a rigorous field, and certainly not a science – it’s basically just imaginative musings on what might have been the case millenia ago, with absolutely no objective standard to measure truth aside from whether or not you personally find the theory compelling. Some of the most famous evo-psyche explanations strike me as labored and painfully forced or laughably silly. Nor can it’s conclusions ever be tested, so it doesn’t accumulate knowledge over time, like a true science. It will always be just an intellectual game for those who enjoy that kind of thing, that can be played with more or less ingenuity, but ultimately frivolous.

          But even then, the gamers don’t get it right!

        • @Kevin

          We went over this exact point at Aaron’s, SeductionMyth many times. The fucking irony of these high-school dropouts citing evo-psych as evidence of their cargo-cult is that evo psych ACTUALLY says that game can’t possibly work.

          Evo psych SPECIFICALLY says that women have evolved to ONLY consider HONEST and UN-FAKEABLE signals. This is where evo-psych studies differentiate long-term and short-term courting.

          The shorter-term the mating, the MORE the female ONLY looks at IMPOSSIBLE to fake traits (physical structure, pheromones, height, facial shape, unfakeably high amounts of status). In other words, if a chick sleeps with you the same night she meets you, its NOT because of your personality because ANYONE can FAKE a personality for a night. Evo-psych is very clear on this.

          What evo-psych DOES say is that over the LONG-TERM women DO look at other traits (personality, charm, charisma, social status, common interests etc etc) and it is part of LONG-TERM mating SPECIIFICALLY because she has time to ASSESS if you’re not faking those things.

          What ILLITERATE RETARDED HIGH-SCHOOL DROPOUT BLOGGERS DO, is they go read a study talking about LONG-TERM mating (the traits a woman uses to assess a male viability over months of courting) and then say

          “SEE! Science proves game! You can fake charm when you approach a chick in a bar and it’ll make her wet”.

          The reason for this is none of these bloggers has any education in social science methodology and research, and the big scientific words and clarifiers are like swahili to them, so they just read what they want to read.

          Like the recent paper someone linked me to Roissy dissecting. The paper can be intepreted by someone like me as having said: “Guys who hit on chicks more, escalate harder and more often, get laid more”.

          Roissy interpreted it as “Science proves charisma and charm creates attraction! Science validates game!!” -> Except the words charisma and charm appear nowhere in the paper, but his retarded uneducated readers swallow all of it.

          Or another example, a study will show that a certain personality trait causes women to respond positively in the short term – gamers go “SEE science validates game”…

          Except all it does is (from an evo-psycho perspective) is it gets the chick to give you a chance. In other words, if you fake higher-status than you really have when approaching a chick, you might get more interactions and longer interactions, but at the end of the night you’ll still fuck the same 3 out of 50 chicks anyway. The same 3 who would have fucked you because you happen to be their type.

          Coming from an asocial hermity background, most gamers are incapable of recognizing the difference between sexual attraction and friendliness. Which is why 95% of the techniques in the community were about entertaining and getting chicks to laugh, with the practicioner thinking he’s becoming “more succesful” because he gets more chicks laughing = except, his ratio at the end of the night is still the same…

          Fucking morons, all of them.

  9. Just to be clear: we come here because you link us and show up on our stats. We read the dreck you post and reply.

    Quit linking us and we won’t show up. It seems like you have the bigger hard on for us than we do for you.

    We laugh and consider it a badge of honor to have you talk about us. YOU validate our sites since you represent about 1% of men, the one one that DON’T want a woman in their life.

    And that’s cool. It’s your life. This shall be my last acknowledgement of you and your site. I’ll get back to helping men understand and attract women.

    I hope your grandmother gets t-boned by a drunk driver on Christmas Eve.

    • A sick mind indeed. Even the relatively mild personalities of the manosphere are crass manchilden with deep emotional problems. Then again I shouldn’t be surprised someone whose avatar is himself holding a firearm would have violent delusions and fantasies.

      More like dannywithschizophrenia.

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