67 comments on “The Blue Pill And The Red Pill Aren’t So Different

    • I added a null referer to your link. It was just so that a trackback isn’t accidentally generated, and I don’t have the time to deal with another invasion of annoying manospherians right now.

      looks like ferd is in some hot water over something non-website related. gee, why doesn’t he just use game and game his way out of it?

      Attempting to “use game” is probably how he ended up in legal trouble.

  1. I just don’t get racism. People are all the same. “Wow black people dress weird!” Says a white guy with popped collar, acid-washed jeans, and Crocs. Give me a break.

    And why aren’t I surprised that Pax moron was a Roissyite?

  2. my gut instinct is Pax knew what he was doing, he just needed someone like Anil to throw a fit…

    I think it was allot like General McCrystal talking crap about O’Bombya. He knew he could get fired and he did it anyway. In both cases the guys had an exit strategy. They ain’t sitting home eating bonbons and collecting $400 a week in UI…

    “It’s an example of how perverse reality is that I’ve been working on a project that applies directly to my current situation. I’ve been working on the idea part-time but I’m actually now pretty excited to get to focus on it full-time. Being CTO at Business Insider was stressful and grueling, I not infrequently worked 70-80+ hour weeks juggling the duties of CTO of a company that size and to have all that suddenly become not my responsibility feels like a weight has been lifted. Don’t get me wrong, I loved every minute of the job but there’s no denying it was hard work and long hours.”

    View story at Medium.com

    • Unless Pax thinks that any publicity is good publicity, he didn’t accomplish anything. If he’s really as smart a businessman as that, he would know better than to quit in such a fashion.

      Given that manospherians clearly aren’t good at anything other than losing money and jobs, I’m certain Pax’s new venture will fail (if it even gets started).

      • it looks just like snapchat…

        and, yeah, I think he thinks any publicity is good publicity. I think he’s trying to market himself as a badass rebel.

        i could be wrong but ask yourself why did Stanley McCrystal badmouth O’Bombya. My guess is he wanted the administration to take on a different stance on the war in Afghanistan and if that didn’t happen he wanted to quit. But if he resigned, some would see him as a coward. If he was fired, some would see him as a blowhard general. A MacArthur pt. 2 if you will.

  3. “It also maps to capitalism, limited government, and freedom so you aren’t forced to choose between blue pill communism or red pill nazism.”

    y’know man, I’d rather not make a political comment but I think the MGTOW position has to be rejecting military service and involvement in Law Enforcement as the government has shown itself to be corrupt. And it’s also a rejection of male disposability, on which such institutions are based…

    • That is limited government. When you get rid of the laws from things that shouldn’t be illegal like drugs and prostitution, law enforcement (and government overall) shrinks. When you’re not sending your military on pointless excursions to places like Syria that shrinks the military (and government overall too).

      Rejecting male disposablity means limited government.

  4. “The black pill is an alternative free of racism of any kind and free of woman worshiping. It also maps to capitalism, limited government, and freedom so you aren’t forced to choose between blue pill communism or red pill nazism.”

    And capitalism, limited government, and freedom map back to racism. Have you noticed there is great economic inequality between the races? Capitalism would multiply that inequality, and you would have to explain that to them. Have you noticed how the races prefer to live among their own? Poor Whites would bring back voluntary racial segregation. And you really can’t have those things unless people are willing to vote for them. Only Whites have shown themselves willing to support Capitalism in large numbers. Think about it this way: a country of Mexicans is going to look like Mexico. I prefer America to Mexico.

    • And capitalism, limited government, and freedom map back to racism. Have you noticed there is great economic inequality between the races? Capitalism would multiply that inequality, and you would have to explain that to them.

      What the hell are you talking about? This is one of the most ridiculous pieces of manospherian “logic” I’ve ever read. Manospherians always start with the conclusion they want to believe first, then try to redefine reality and come up with reverse rationalizations that justify those conclusions. Meanwhile actual normal, intelligent people actually do the opposite: they observe reality first, then come up with conclusions based on reality. Again, for manospherians: desired conclusions first, then come up with concocted realities based on the conclusion.

      For example, EEE wants to believe that in an ideal, just society manospherian racism is desirable and inevitable, so he comes up with some wackjob reasoning to claim that libertarianism is inseparable from manospherian racism. I could do the same thing in reverse and claim that socialism, larger government, and lack of freedom map back to racism. I could use a crackpot rationale too, and say that by redistributing wealth and forcing the haves in the dominant racial classes to support the have nots in the less fortunate racial classes, you will end up breeding racial resentment from those in the dominant racial classes, as well as increasing the sense of entitlement and demands of the less fortunate racial classes.

      See that crackpot blue pill, pro-socialism liberal rationalization I just did? It’s the same fallacious thinking, oversimplifying, and sophistry you see in EEE’s red pill, pro-“capitalism,” alt-right rationalization. It’s yet another example of what BP describes in the main article: blue pillers and red pillers aren’t that different from one another.

      • I have observed the reality of racial inequality in economics and education. I have observed the reality that the socialist systems we have now contribute massively to transferring wealth from Whites to Blacks. I have observed the reality of Blacks angry at Whitey for being rich. I have observed that when given a chance, such as who to be friends with, Whites, especially of the working class, generally prefer their own race. I have observed that 60% of Whites voted for the Republicans and 94% of Blacks voted for the Democrats.

        Now it’s your turn to explain what causes the economic and educational inequality between the races? What causes Blacks to be resentful toward Whites? Why do White generally prefer their own race? How do you explain the races’ voting behavior?

        • Now it’s your turn to explain what causes the economic and educational inequality between the races? What causes Blacks to be resentful toward Whites? Why do White generally prefer their own race? How do you explain the races’ voting behavior?

          Propaganda because Al Sharpton and the like are incapable of getting real jobs.

        • Dems blame Mitt Romney and BP blames Al Sharpton. What’s the difference? Neither explanation makes any sense? How is Al Shaprton responsible for Blacks not going to college? How is he responsible for them committing crimes. BP can’t answer these questions, because he didn’t actually think his answer through before he posted it

        • So Al Sharpton is purposely keeping Black down so that he can get benefit from it. But remember, conspiracy theories are bad…..

      • And I don’t support capitalism. I support a mixed economy, where private initiative is rewarded, just not excessively. Japan is a good model for the kind of system I want for America.

  5. Where do you put puahaters on this pill colour-spectrum. I know the term “red pill” turns up quite often on there.

    • Most people would either be described as purple pill (as in in between the red and blue pill) or clear pill because they aren’t strongly ideological. Effectively, PUAHate is probably either purple or clear if not black pill.

  6. Hey BP,

    What are your thoughts on “red pill” gamer’s like Hawaiian Liberterian who support limited government and capitalism? I think the dude’s a quack, but I wanted to hear your thoughts on gamer’s who like to adopt a libertarian perspective.

    • What are your thoughts on “red pill” gamer’s like Hawaiian Liberterian who support limited government and capitalism?

      They don’t support limited government and capitalism. We have a few nicknames for Hawaiian Libertarian around here like Hawaiian Fat Blob and Hawaiian Neo-Marxist in part because he isn’t a Libertarian. At one point he made a big deal about changing his name from Hawaiian Libertarian to Hawaiian libertarian (uncapitalizing the L in libertarian) because he didn’t want to be associated with the Libertarian party and similar groups. (In other words he didn’t anything to do with actual libertarians.)

      The problem is that “libertarian” gets used a lot to mean being vaguely anti-state (or really anti the current state) or anti-everything. (This is a problem that goes far beyond the so called manosphere.) It’s a complete abuse of the concept of libertarianism. Libertarianism has a meaning, and no one in the manosphere is a libertarian by any objective definition of the term.

      Another problem is someone calling themselves libertarian over a single issue. The best example of this is Bill Maher in the 90s when he called himself a libertarian. The only reason he did that was because he was pot to be legal so he could smoke it legally. Maher was only interested in his personal issues. He was fine with big government everywhere else.

      The major players (and many of the minor players) in the so called manosphere are really in the “alt-right” camp. “Alt-right” is really a hodgepodge of various aspects of socialism plus racism. It’s closer to national socialism than modern leftist socialism, but that doesn’t make the so called manosphere supporters of capitalism. The so called manosphere spends way too much time attacking capitalists and fabricating conspiracies about them to actually support capitalism. After reading manosphere blogs for years, I have noticed that they don’t really seem to have a problem with big government except on the surface which has more to do with who they think is in control of big government (namely the capitalists they attack) than a real objection to big government.

      Over 130 years ago, there was a big debate in socialism on what form of socialism should be pursued. There were two options, the centralized state socialism we think of when we use the term, socialism, and a more agrarian based primitivist socialism. The former is what won in that debate, but the agrarian based primitivist socialism is just as bad. The agrarian primitivist form of socialism matches up pretty well with the so called manosphere especially given their paleo bullshit.

  7. http://www.refnull.com/?https://medium.com/glimpse-labs/4aa5b6a6a665

    Pax Dickinson’s new narrative. He was a “performance artist” cultivating a “faux-brogrammer” alter-ego to make larger satirical points that totally went over his detractors heads. Of course he can’t coherently explain any of what his satirical platform was about.

    Also, he did an AMA at Reddit today. Best part of it is when he is asked if he considers himself a “troll” even if it’s a troll for a “good cause.” He answers:

    I’m trying to make a point in what may be an antagonizing way. Sometimes a cutting joke is the best way to get someone to see a side of something they hadn’t previously considered.

    Wow, how did that work out for you Pax? You really converted a lot of hearts and minds there, buddy!

    What a clueless guy. He’s still clinging to this narrative of being some iconoclastic free speech advocate that was actually fighting for a coherent cause and causing some kind of social change, rather than just a desperate troll who kept escalating his attention whoring until he finally got the negative reaction he was waiting for, with worse consequences than he predicted and nothing good to show for it.

  8. Roissy and some other manospherians have posted a link to this story, claiming that this story is proof that “game saves lives” (their literal words)

    http://nypost.com/2013/09/17/navy-yard-shooter-was-dumped-by-thai-crush/

    It’s a story about some guy who was rejected by a girl he had a crush on and went postal.

    The guy had a host of mental problems, including paranoid delusions and hearing voices, but the only lesson manospherians get out of it is that he needed game. This shows more evidence of the covert vagina worship of gamers. This idea that a woman’s vagina is some magic cure to all of a man’s problems. It’s actually very insulting to men and is an example of putting vagina on a pedestal in a not so obvious way.

    • This is the exact problem with gamers. It’s one thing to say that game gets you laid (even though it doesn’t). It’s another to say that game can cure paranoid delusions and hearing voices. That’s crazy.

        • Yeah, because if blacks of a certain class in South Africa have a certain attitude, it obviously must apply to all blacks worldwide, even those of different socioeconomic levels living in different cultures. Thanks for proving yet again that mostly stupid, overly simplistic thinkers are attracted to racism as an identity.

          Hey, I want to make a point about white people in America. I think I’m going to make it by posting an article about Nazi Germany and comparing American whites to those people. Or by comparing modern American whites to human rights abuses happening in some parts of Eastern Europe and then I’ll pretend like I’ve just made some devastatingly astute argument.

          Why are you so stupid? I assume it’s the obvious answer (that you’re a white vagina worshipping nationalist manospherian)?

          If you’re life is that of a loser, and I use “if” loosely because we all know you definitely are a loser and it’s not really a question, do a hard self-assessment, improve yourself, stop seeking out stupid race theories to boost your ego, and do some hard work. Stop distracting yourself from real solutions by looking for other people to blame or feel superior to.

        • BP, what the mouth-breather is trying to say is that in South Africa rape is a crime, yet blacks according to his article are on a rampant rape spree nonetheless.

          Therefore, making rape illegal anywhere in the world will not stop blacks from going on rape sprees. Because by his logic all blacks all around the world are exactly like the ones in South Africa, no matter where they live, what their educational background is, what their career is, what their culture, or what their family unit.

          It’s not easy to get his point because it’s so damn illogical and almost childlike in its stupidity. Sadly I’ve read enough of these manospherian WN blogs that I could see what he was trying to say. That I can interpret their illogic is one more sign I need to stop reading them.

        • It’s not easy to get his point because it’s so damn illogical and almost childlike in its stupidity.

          No kidding. The idiot tells us that blacks are all hyper-rapists on rampant rape sprees yet blacks who run the government of South Africa aren’t responsible for South Africa’s anti-rape laws. The lack of logic is stunning.

          Not only that but how much of this blacks rape all day bullshit is really part of the false rape industry? That’s a question the idiot won’t answer.

        • @Grizzly, Everywhere the Blacks live, whether it is America, Sweden, Israel, or their native lands, they act like that. Blacks are 13 percent of the population, they commit over half of the murders. It isn’t as bad a problem in America because our police actually imprison a good deal of them. It can’t be accounted for by “poverty” and if the problem is “culture,” then good luck changing it, because do you really think these cultures sprout out of the ground?

        • nazi – blacks act like that EVERYWHERE they live? So you’re saying that in a majority black neighborhood where the blacks are middle class and higher and very educated, the behaviors and rape rates will be comparable to the blacks committing rape in South Africa? Are you really so stupid as to not control for factors like poverty, culture, and education levels when studying black crime rates? Did you study predominately blacks communities that have lots of professionals and higher income levels and see if they are comparable in crime rates to South Africa? Because I’m pretty sure Baldwin Hills, Cambria Heights, St. Albans, Atlanta, and other middle class educated black neighborhoods don’t fit the descriptions you give of South Africa.

          Of course being a stupid white vagina worshipping nationalists, all your “research” is nothing but looking for confirmation bias and cherry picking what you read. The laziness you apply to your race research is probably the same laziness that causes you to be a loser in life, looking for others to blame and feel superior to. Get off your ass, stop making excuses, stop looking for easy targets to feel superior to, and fix your life. Most of all stop reading WN and manosphere sites. They will keep you stupid and a loser at life.

        • BP – Yeah, because it’s the thought that counts, right? Yeah, I’m sure these African men are part of the false rape “industry.” Or maybe the media just made it up because they love making Blacks look bad. But conspiracy theories are bad, amiright?

          Grizzly- Yeah, income has been controlled for in race and crime studies. As usual you resort to baseless ad hominum attacks, just as a feminist would say you are an omega virgin who lives in your mom’s basement and never gets laid.(Oh wait…) The parallel to feminist “loser” accusations and anti-White “loser” accusations is great. Just goes to show that feminism and “the Black pill” aren’t very different.

        • So you think that all black men are responsible for the few black men that rape, but that no black men are responsible for the black men making laws against rape and prosecuting it? That’s a nice lack of logic you got there.

          And what’s with your obsession with rape? You are indistinguishable from a feminist.

        • eah, income has been controlled for in race and crime studies.

          So you’re seriously going to continue to say that studies show that middle class and higher educated blacks behave exactly like the blacks who are commiting rampant rapes in South Africa. Rather than just admit you’re wrong, or just stop coming back to this blog, you’re instead just going to make up lies so you can stay in the fight. If you have to make up lies to stay in the argument, that’s the same as conceding.

          As usual you resort to baseless ad hominum attacks, just as a feminist would say you are an omega virgin who lives in your mom’s basement and never gets laid.(Oh wait…)

          First off, it’s not baseless because it’s true. Second, it’s not an ad hominem because your loserness is the very root of your issue, and the black stuff is just a distraction. Third, your whole ideology is just one giant ad hominem attack on black people disguised as some type of societal concern trolliing. How is an ideology that is based on ad hominem attacks and concern trolling a whole race going to try to call someone else out on ad hominems? Fourth, feminists use ad hominem attacks to avoid the substance of their opponents claims. I didn’t avoid your claims. I pointed out that you were using stupid, faulty childish logic because you were making false equivalencies that didn’t take into account issues of culture, education, and income levels.

          You’re the one who’s like a feminist because you’re obsessed with rape, you prioritize pedestalizing white vagina like it’s some kind of national resource that must be protected at all costs, and because you shamelessly lie when someone points out the flaws in your argument.

          I repeat: Your problem isn’t blacks. Your problem is that you’re a loser. That’s not an ad hom. Your loserness is the very root of your problems, much more than the state of black communities ever will be.

        • It’s only an ad-hominem if you use it *instead* of an argument, not in addition to an argument.

          If you say 2+2 = 5
          And I say, “No, it’s 4 you freaking idiot”,
          this is not an ad-hominem.

          An ad-hominem is the following:

          – I believe that France should increase taxes
          – You’re only saying that coz you’re fat!

        • No BP I think actions speak louder than words. And as the article showed, the Black South African government is doing a shit job prosecuting it. I think rape is a horrible thing. I even think it’s worse than having to pay child support. Call me a feminist.

          ” middle class and higher educated blacks behave exactly like the blacks who are commiting rampant rapes in South Africa.”

          That’s not what I said, dumbass. Poor Blacks will commit much more crime than poor Whites. But I’m sure if only you give the Blacks a lot of money they will stop raping people. Because obviously poverty causes rape. And also assult. And arson. The individual rich Blacks are rich for a reason. And you are a pathetic loser who lives in your mom’s basement. That’s a FACT!!!!!!!!!

        • No BP I think actions speak louder than words.

          Passing a law and using it to prosecute individuals is an action, dumb ass.

          And as the article showed, the Black South African government is doing a shit job prosecuting it.

          Your article showed no such thing.

          Call me a feminist.

          You are a feminist. Only a feminist thinks rape happens this much. Besides, why do you care about what happens to black women in South Africa? Aren’t you supposed to be a racist? Clearly, you care about what happens to black women more than the men of your own race. That makes you a feminist.

        • That’s not what I said, dumbass.

          Yes it is. You said blacks all around the world, in whatever communities they are found in, will behave just like the blacks who rampantly rape in South Africa. Your EXACT words were “Everywhere the Blacks live, whether it is America, Sweden, Israel, or their native lands, they act like that.” So I gave you examples of majority-black communities where the blacks are middle-class and higher, are gainfully employed, and are well-educated that don’t resemble the South African rapists you described at all.

          So now you blatantly LIE about what you said, even though we can all read for ourselves what you said right here in this very comments thread. Now you bring up poor whites versus poor blacks as if we’re actually gullible enough to not remember what you originally wrote in this very comments thread. Like a typical White Vagina Worshipping Nationalist manospherian, you obfuscate, LIE, move the goalposts when cornered.

          This inability to use simple, consistent logic, this inability to admit when you’re wrong, this inability to be honest, your tendency to be stupid, your incredibly stubborn commitment to making an ass of yourself and coming back for more humiliation…these are the reasons you’re an underachieving life loser. But instead, you choose to blame serial rapist blacks from South Africa instead of doing the hard work of getting off your ass and owning your own faults.

          Poor Blacks will commit much more crime than poor Whites. But I’m sure if only you give the Blacks a lot of money they will stop raping people.

          Now you’ve just gone off the rails altogether. I’m not even sure what you’re trying to say here. Who said anything about “giving blacks a lot of money,” stupid? Because you can’t win a proper argument, now you have to invent strawmen to argue against as a last resort to win the argument. When did I say that simply “giving” blacks money, by which I’m guessing you mean entitlements like welfare, would eliminate black crime? I said “middle class and higher, educated blacks,” meaning GAINFULLY EMPLOYED, NOT WELFARE RECIPIENTS.

          I gave you some examples BY NAME. Feel free to look them up (I know you won’t though) and see if the crime there is comparable to examples from South Africa you gave.

        • Alek – I used to try to be more reasonable with these guys, but I’m really starting to see now why you used to get so angry in exchanges with manospherians. The constant intellectual dishonesty, strawmanning, stupidity, and even outright LYING is mind-boggling. After seeing it over and over, you can’t help but start getting infuriated by it.

        • Alek – I used to try to be more reasonable with these guys, but I’m really starting to see now why you used to get so angry in exchanges with manospherians. The constant intellectual dishonesty, strawmanning, stupidity, and even outright LYING is mind-boggling.

          Especially the lying. I have caught manospherians lying more times than I can count. Either manospherians have a problem with being honest (even when honesty would be the best option for them), or they’re mentally ill. It’s probably both.

        • I didn’t list “upper class Blacks” did I? Just because a few of them are able to behave themselves long enough to get into Harvard doesn’t disprove what I said. Look in ANY country and the rate of Black crime will be many times higher than the rate for the rest of society. If your point is that their behavior is caused by “poverty,” how do you attempt to alleviate that? 99% of multiculuralists will say welfare, so I assumed you would say that as well.

      • And what’s with your obsession with rape? You are indistinguishable from a feminist.

        Because he is a feminist. All he cares about is the protection and pedestalization of white vagina.

      • I can’t believe I’m taking this much time to debate a brain-dead manospherian, but sometimes I can’t help myself.

        I didn’t list “upper class Blacks” did I?

        Fucking goalpost-moving manospherian, you explicitly said ALL l majority-black communities all around the world behave like South African criminals. Now that I point out how stupid and simplistic and flat-out wrong your point is, using ACTUAL EXAMPLES and EXPLICITLY NAMING EXCEPTIONS TO YOUR CLAIM, now you’re trying to lie again by saying you were obviously excluding upper class blacks from your assessment.

        Words mean things, stupid. You can’t just redefine or restate your arguments at will just so that you can keep denying how stupid you are. We aren’t manospherians and this isn’t a manosphere blog. We’re not gullible and stupid like you guys.

        You said all blacks around the world act like South African criminals. When I point out several types of blacks that don’t, you now say “Oh, I wasn’t talking about THOSE blacks.” Uh, idiot, YES YOU WERE. If you say “all blacks everywhere around the world,” then yes, you were including them too. You do understand what the words “all” and “everywhere” mean, don’t you? You can’t just redefine words to mean whatever you need them to mean at any given time to win an argument. You made an argument, we shot holes in it and now you’ve tried to retroactively change what you meant three times now.

        Just because a few of them are able to behave themselves long enough to get into Harvard doesn’t disprove what I said.

        Idiotic cretin, who the fuck said that only upper class blacks who went to Harvard are exceptions to behaving like South African rapists, you stupid manospherian shithead? The examples I gave are MIDDLE CLASS and up. Are you saying only Harvard grads count as middle class and up?

        Are you able to type more than three sentences in a row without resorting to a strawman or a lie. The fact that you can’t answer what I actually say and instead make up ridiculous arguments, assign them to me, and attack those instead proves that you know you’re wrong.

        I will name some of the exceptions for you again. Majority-black neighborhoods that are middle class and not crime-ridden anywhere near on par with South Africa: Saint Albans, Cambria Heights, Cascade area of Atlanta, Baldwin Hills, Prince Georges County, Barbados (98% literacy, free education to tertiary level, socialised health care, low crime rate, free and fair elections and a stable economy), and many others I can name. And no, these are not all upper class, Harvard grads. Many of these neighborhoods are simply working class and middle class, and even though many of the people are educated we’re not talking strictly Ivy League level. Many aren’t even college educated at all, but rather just hard working Caribbean immigrants.

        Any more strawmen you wish to respond to or will you finally address what I’m actually saying, manospherian White Vaniga Worshipping Nationalist moron?

        Look in ANY country and the rate of Black crime will be many times higher than the rate for the rest of society.

        Dumb shit, moving the goalposts AGAIN. Before it was that all black communites in all countries have crime and rape on par with the worst parts of South Africa. Now that I have proved that wrong repeatedly, now you pretend your argument is instead about Black crime in any country being worse than nonblack crime in that specific country.

        Anyway, regardless of your goalpost moving, I can poke holes in that argument too. Like I said before, you have to adjust for factors like literacy rates, education levels, home ownership rates, and whether the blacks are working class, middle class and higher.

        If you take the black neighorhoods I listed above, and compare them to a poor white neighborhood where the people are poorly educated and have a high unemployment rate, the white neighborhoods will have worse crime. There are many majority-white trailer trash neighborhoods that have worse crime than the majority-black neighborhoods I just listed.

        If your point is that their behavior is caused by “poverty,” how do you attempt to alleviate that? 99% of multiculuralists will say welfare, so I assumed you would say that as well.

        The only way to alleviate poverty is welfare? Are you retarded? What about employment, education, instilling work ethic, encouraging home ownership, training in job skills, and entrepreneurship? You really believe the only blacks that exist in the middle class are welfare recipients and Harvard grads? The concept of a regular middle class black person with a regular middle class job doesn’t exist in your delusional manospherian mind?

        Are you trolling us? Are you really this remedial at debating? Buy a logic book and learn about basic fallacies, starting with strawman arguments. You’re stupid beyond belief.

        • you explicitly said ALL l majority-black communities all around the world behave like South African criminals

          I specifically said It isn’t as bad a problem in America, dumbass, if you had a modicum of intelligence you would have figured out that I don’t believe that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS A RAPIST.

          Dumbass, EVEN WHEN YOU CONTROL for those things, the rate of Black crime is still much higher. The simple fact is that in a trailer trash neighborhood the rate of crime will be many times lower than in a ghetto. That’s why White trailer trash support segregation.

          What about employment, education, instilling work ethic, encouraging home ownership, training in job skills, and entrepreneurship?

          So, government benefits?

          You really believe the only blacks that exist in the middle class are welfare recipients and Harvard grads?

          Sure, I literally believe that. God you are stupid. I know of cases of Blacks who got into Harvard with SAT scores of 1600, 1700.

        • I specifically said It isn’t as bad a problem in America

          You mean you retroactively changed your argument from an egregiously stupid one to a slightly stupid one after we pointed out what a retard you are. Don’t pretend you were making a remotely rational argument all along.

          EVEN WHEN YOU CONTROL for those things, the rate of Black crime is still much higher.

          Nice evasion. I repeat, do you believe a middle class, educated black neighborhood would have worse crime rates than an uneducated, trailer trash white neighborhood? The answer is no. So obviously there are more factors than just race at play when comparing crime and rape rates, otherwise even the best majority-black community would have worse crime rates than the best majority-white community.

          So, government benefits?

          Let’s review everything that’s transpired so far in this “debate” (I use that term loosely because it takes two working brains to have a debate). I want the people reading along to get a clear idea of just how stupid you are.

          I mentioned working class, middle class and upper class blacks.

          You responded that you assume that when I discuss such blacks, I must be referring to welfare, because in your mind that’s the only way to create working class, middle class and upper class blacks. (Never mind the fact that I have never heard of single person achieving middle-class status strictly through welfare, and I’m sure you haven’t either)

          I point out that there are plenty of ways that black people become middle class and none of them involve welfare. Such as getting job training, gaining employment, training in job skills, and entrepreneurship.

          And you, being stuck on stupid respond again like a broken record with the strawman, ” so government benefits?”

          Again, I just want to make sure you really are this stupid…

          Are you actually saying that you believe that the only way blacks ever receive job training is via government benefits? You’ve never heard of the military, trade schools, community college, state universities, 4 year college, apprenticeships, or on-the-job training?

          Are you actually saying that the only way blacks ever get employment is through government benefits? You actually believe every employed black person only got their job via some government program? You’ve never heard of black people walking into a business and filling out a job application? Or writing up a resume? You really believe every black person with a job has it via some government welfare program?

          Are you saying black people only become entrepreneurs via government benefits? You’ve never heard of a black person who worked at a job for years, saved up his money, and opened a business that way? You’ve never heard of a black person who got a bank loan from the private sector in order to open a business? Do you actually believe every black entreprenuer is only an entrepreneur because they must have collected government benefits? Why would you assume I’m talking government benefits when I mention entrepreneurship as a way that blacks have made it into the middle class?

          What on earth is wrong with you? 😀

          LOL, you’re can’t be this fucking STUPID. No one is. I figured it out. Are you an anti-White Nationalist trolling in an effort to make White Nationalists look stupid? The endless strawmen, the nonsensical arguments, the grade school logic, the constantly shifting goalposts…it all makes sense now. If so, well done, you got me. I probably should have realized with the stupid over the top screenname but I fell for it anyway. Well done. You overplayed your hand with the last response you made though. Even the manospherians that usually troll here never write stuff as stupid as that.

        • Oh I get it, you’re stupid. Why didn’t I think of that sooner!

          Your entire argument consists of one big fat strawman. I never said race was the ONLY factor. As for your “argument” it is a non-argument. You think they’ve never heard of employment, job training, or entrepreneurship? You think you telling them that is going to change anything? Why don’t you just go further and tell them the solution to crime is to “not commit crime?” The Liberals at least suggest something(i.e. welfare) to help them.

        • You think they’ve never heard of employment, job training, or entrepreneurship?

          Given that there are already plenty of employed blacks, blacks with job training, and black entrepreneurs in existence, yes, I do think blacks have heard of these things.

          All your information about blacks seems to come from White Vagina Worshipping Nationalist sites. You seem to literally believe

          * there is no such thing as employed blacks, blacks with job training, or black entrepreneurs,
          * that any middle class black that exists got that way through welfare, or some other government benefit
          * that blacks in America don’t participate in the workforce, job training or entrepreneurship
          * that tribal black communities in South Africa that are filled with rape and crime represent all black communities around the world, even though I’ve given you a list of middle class, educated, low-crime black communities you could easily research further but refuse to.

          Like a typical manospherian there are two sentences you can never seem to say.

          1) I have no idea what I’m talking about
          2) I was wrong

          Luckily, everyone else can tell.

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  11. Ok I’m Italian-American like to read some manosphere blogs here and two of my closest friends are African -American we all consider trash and lazy people of any race niggers. Both of them have white girlfriends and I have mulatto girlfriend. And we think Obama is a weak man so does this make me racisit that I like reading manosphere blogs

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