39 comments on “PUAs Are Hiding Under Everyone’s Beds

  1. Good post.

    I think Red Pill Christians are invested in PUA as it whitewashes Christian female promiscuity and creates a fake boogeyman, much easier to swallow that bad men are seducing their daughters than admitting they’re promiscuous.

    I also think feminists are invested in PUA as they are pushing for documentation of sexual consent (i.e. forms, texts, emails) and need a fake front to push through the agenda.

    For me the sexual consent agenda shows MGTOW are having a serious effect and feminists are keen to attach financial burdens for any sexual encounter a male may have with a female (why else would you need documentation when a woman is within her rights to verbally rescind any textual consent prior to a sex act).

    http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/26/opinion/jones-sex-consent-texting/

    For textual sexual consent to gain any traction a PUA hysteria needs to be created.

    Ominously this may also plausibly create the grounds for monetary compensation as textual consent may show that a woman who had sex with a man but did not get married experienced a ‘loss of chance’.

    Sounds insane but remember ‘loss of chance’ is readily used in divorce settlements and it is not a long stretch to extend it to casual relationships.

    • That’s part of it, but the primary reason is that men are ignoring them in droves. There’s no reason for a man to be feminist or go to a feminized church (even if he believes in Jesus). They can’t actually offer anything tangible to men so they all go to promising that they will get men laid in a pathetic attempt to trick men into joining their ideology. This is the only thing they can offer because when it comes to something tangible you have to deliver. On the other hand with vague promises of getting laid, they can always blame the men when they fail to deliver.

  2. oh, tehhee, I’ve found roosh and sweitzer ™ IN my bed after a night of heavy drinking many a time…

    you need to change the title now…

    oh, and Panera bread, well…

    a weak bladder, leads one into a restroom and temptation…

    oooopsie, I Don’t Know How it Happened-I Usually don’t do this…

    but there were some White Nationalists and uh, the shower scene from American History X got recreated in excruciating detail…

  3. A fun link.
    “Many players laugh about how the young women they seduce so often say things like: I don’t know how it happened. I usually don’t do this!”

    The reason they laugh is not that they have wickedly seduced an innocent, as SM seems to think. The reason they laugh is that women who say that do “this” *all the time*. How can the players be so sure of this? Because game only “works” on habitual sluts. Insofar as game works at all, all it is as simple as “if you approach a lot of habitual sluts, sooner or later you will get laid”. If game actually could seduce a blushing innocent, or a regular, sensible girl with a mind to look after her future, then that declaration wouldn’t be anywhere near as funny.

    IOW: the very fact that they find it funny indirectly demonstrates that game – the magical mystery that turns any man into a master seducer – is a mirage.

  4. I also think the PUAs like getting into debates with Red Pill Christians and other such “enemies” of game because like you said, at the end of the day, they’re really allies.They’re allies because they operate from the premise that game works, which flatters the gamers to no end. That’s why gamers will happily engage with red pill traditionalists or red pill Christians and others. Anyone who is willing to spread the lie that game is some magic elixir that works and gamers are slaying pussy left and right is ultimately a friend to their movement.

    • Ans the debates between the gamers and the Red Pill Christians just serve as a method of attention whoring for the purpose of trying to increase their readership. They go insane over myself, Alex Novy, Aaron Sleazy, etc. because debating us would lead to the facts about game, such as how its a scam, getting out.

  5. Yours is a strange blog. You are a virgin yet claim to be some kind of expert in picking up women. What experience do you have? It’s pretty clear to me, as a student of psychology, what your problem is. Watch this:

    You have a certain, harshly negative reaction to these images. What it is is a deep inferiority complex. My advice to you is to move to the third world and find a woman there.

    • What are you even talking about, stupid?

      Is there one really stupid white nationalist who keeps coming back and trolling under different names? It’s hard to believe all white nationalists are this stupid and all argue so incoherently and have such terrible reading comprehension. It’s got to all be just one trolling over and over, right?

      • Is there one really stupid white nationalist who keeps coming back and trolling under different names?

        Unfortunately, they’re all different people. White nationalists all have only one brain between them.

    • oh, Hyat….

      teheehee you troll bait, is it really hyam????

      that music is some weak sauce…

      here’s some real aryan music, oi

      back in the day with don-0-van and 3 and a quarter inches of hegemonic masculinity shoved where the sun don’t shine on that tiny dancefloor…

      ohlala…

      you current nazi’s don’t know anything about masculinity…

      that music sounds even wimpier than Europe’s final countdown…

      • The weird thing is, what he’s talking about has ZERO relation to the blog post. What in this blog post has to do with white nationalism? It’s like they only know pro-white nationalist arguments as conversation pieces and have to turn everything into an attack on white nationalism that they have to defend against in order to have anything to contribute to the conversation.

        If this was a post on how to maximize crop yield on a farm they’d come by and say something like “Hm, it seems like your blog post on agriculture proposes mixing of European vegetables with third world vegetables. It seems like you are anti-white and a self-hating leftist based on your crop choices. Why is everyone allowed to practice self-love and nationalism except whites? Do you deny the superiority of white people and the extermination of the white race. Organic vegetables are created by the Joooooooooos. Here’s a link to a video and library of white nationalist books.”

        Another weird thing that manospherians of all varieties do is to declare themselves some kind of winner of the debate at the exact same time they’re making an utterly stupid argument. It usually consists of describing your uncontrollable feelings of anxiety and inferiority in response to their supposedly devastating arguments. Look for example at the last thing he says:

        You have a certain, harshly negative reaction to these images. What it is is a deep inferiority complex.

        Somehow he has decided BP are having a “certain, harsh” response to his Youtube video. It’s just that powerful, lol. Then he uses this reaction, that he totally made up and pulled out of his ass with no basis in reality, to declare BP has a “deep inferiority complex”. Meanwhile anyone with the slightest grasp on reality can tell a person who brings up white superiority at the drop of a hat even in the most unrelated contexts and whose biggest source of pride is his race and not his personal, individual accomplishments is actually the person with a deep inferiority complex. And his rush to accuse others of it is simply him projecting his own inferiority complex onto others.

        But what’s amazing is despite how they all declare themselves to be these unique special nonconformist snowflakes thanks to their so-called red pill thinking, they all sound EXACTLY like each other down to the same persistent logical fallacies, crippling stupidity, stock phrases, and unconvincing delusions of grandeur. They are all comically stupid and pathetic in the exact same ways.

        • Somehow he has decided BP are having a “certain, harsh” response to his Youtube video. It’s just that powerful, lol.

          Apparently, his video is so powerful that I can have this reaction without actually watching the video. And I have no intention of watching that video ever.

          Meanwhile anyone with the slightest grasp on reality can tell a person who brings up white superiority at the drop of a hat even in the most unrelated contexts and whose biggest source of pride is his race and not his personal, individual accomplishments is actually the person with a deep inferiority complex. And his rush to accuse others of it is simply him projecting his own inferiority complex onto others.

          But what’s amazing is despite how they all declare themselves to be these unique special nonconformist snowflakes thanks to their so-called red pill thinking, they all sound EXACTLY like each other down to the same persistent logical fallacies, crippling stupidity, stock phrases, and unconvincing delusions of grandeur. They are all comically stupid and pathetic in the exact same ways.

          That’s because they’re all collectivists. And I have been fighting collectivists of one form or another my entire life.

  6. There is actually a manospherian blogger (I don’t know if he considers himself a part of the manosphere) who is a Christian and he regularly attacks game, the necessity of game, and all arguments that game is merely a tool. He actually says quite a bit of the things you say! He also does not sell anything besides the Bible as a necessity.

    • If you’re talking about Dalrock, you’re very mistaken. He is in almost unilateral support of “game”. Now if you are referring to someone else, I’m all ears cause I’m genuinely interested.

      • Not Dalrock indeed although they occasionally are seen on each other’s blog. He points out the faults of Dalrock and Vox when he sees them.

        Here are some posts where he attacks the idea that Game is “just a tool” and “seduction” can be used in a Christian way.

        http://canecaldo.wordpress.com/2014/01/31/mens-sphere-thought-experiment-ii-divorce-is-just-a-tool/

        http://canecaldo.wordpress.com/2014/02/01/2061/

        http://canecaldo.wordpress.com/2014/01/28/doublethinking-lust-iii-trying-to-harness-seduction/

        Many of his posts center around the double thinking and double talk Christians do when they promote game and other worldly wisdom over Biblical wisdom.

        Here is one where he makes an argument against an idea Vox was spreading.

        http://canecaldo.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/the-errors-among-us-i-vox-vs-chesterton/

        I personally like his doublethinking series because it points out what men and women, even supposed Christian men and women in the manosphere do that has the guise of being correct but really isn’t.

        • I cannot find it now, but he also calls out Dalrock in one of the comments saying that Dalrock hides under the pretense of “That is not my definition of game” and then refuses to define what exactly it is, yet proceeds to use the definition argument anytime a case is made against game. He is not hostile when he does this too, but he does call out what he sees is wrong.

        • That guy you linked to is quite intelligent, logical, and also consistent and resistant to emotional sputtering and fallacies, something that manospherians aren’t, whether of the PUA, white nationalist, HBD, neoreactionary, or Christian inclination. His arguments make sense and follow a clear linear intellectual progression. All that is good. However he does have one major problem: even though his reasoning and thought process make sense, he operates from a false premise.

          He argues under the premise that game WORKS. BP has discussed the problem with people who debate the moral implications of game in the past. These people are anti-game in a sense, but not in the sense that matters. By claiming that game is immoral and talking about the ways game must be stopped because of how evil and damaging it is to women, he’s actually supporting the gamer’s cause because he’s still spreading the fiction THAT GAME WORKS AND IS A POTENT TOOL TO SEDUCE WOMEN.

          That’s the reason why when gamers come to this site or attack Alek Novy or Aaron Sleazy, they point and sputter and go insane and on the attack. Because those guys point out that it’s a scam and doesn’t work and that manospherians don’t get laid, or at least not any better than the average guy and placebo. Yet I notice that with people like the guy you link to, the manospherians enjoy debating with them and read and comment regularly and are very cordial to them. That’s because they view these types as friendly nemeses, or see them as flip sides of the same coin. His opposition to game as something dangerous and potent, like a weapon, feeds into the manospherian delusions of grandeur and feeds their egos.

          The parts of game that work (work out, be attractive, have social skills, be high value, don’t be an ass-kisser mangina, don’t buy into feminists fantasies about what women really are like) are not unique to game. And the parts of game that are unique to game simply don’t work. And since a discipline is ultimately defined by the parts that are UNIQUE to that specific discipline and not the parts that it shares with other disciplines, game doesn’t work. Therefore it’s not a “threat” to any so-called female virtue and treating it as such just validates one of the most important and fallacious manosphere premises there is.

          Also, the white knighting implied in many of his anti-game protests is also problematic to me. He seems to think that women are “victims” of game and denies them agency, another recurring them on BP’s blog.

        • @James

          Thanks for the kind words!

          I think this is the comment you are referencing. For the record: I don’t think there is an upper threshold for my esteem of Dalrock.

          @Grizzly

          And thanks for the kind words from you as well.

          However he does have one major problem: even though his reasoning and thought process make sense, he operates from a false premise.

          He argues under the premise that game WORKS.

          About as well as a placebo; with which you seem to agree. Wranglings over whether Game works doesn’t interest me that much because I find that those who believe it works aren’t really interested in a precise calculation, but that it “worked” for them, e.g.:

          Jack goes out and “runs Game”, and gets a date will Sally. Jack decides Game works. Sally actually likes him because Jack reminds Sally of her favorite male cousin, even though she’s not conscious of it.

          I’ll never be able to convince Jack that Game is at best a placebo until Jack distances himself from his “success”.

        • About as well as a placebo; with which you seem to agree. Wranglings over whether Game works doesn’t interest me that much because I find that those who believe it works aren’t really interested in a precise calculation, but that it “worked” for them, e.g.:

          Jack goes out and “runs Game”, and gets a date will Sally. Jack decides Game works. Sally actually likes him because Jack reminds Sally of her favorite male cousin, even though she’s not conscious of it.

          I’ll never be able to convince Jack that Game is at best a placebo until Jack distances himself from his “success”.

          Isn’t your alternative of “Christian masculinity” pretty much the same as game? Other than the lack of talk about fornication (and let’s face it the gamers are rarely successful at fornication), I can’t see a difference between “Christian masculinity” and game.

          If you’re serious about being anti-game, then you should be pointing out how it all started as a scam by a known con artist, Eben Pagan, who has already cashed out and is on to another scam. Game is lies on top of lies.

        • I don’t know it doesn’t seem like he is arguing from that premise to me. Many times he points out the futility of game. The points of the posts you mention is that he says, sure you can find some sort of worldly idealogy that may get some things right but ultimately the only truth is found in God and we should look at the Bible for even things like how a man or woman should act in society. In short something may or may not bring about results but the foundation and source it comes from is equally important (or maybe even more important) than the knowledge itself.

          As for the part about not giving women agency, I am not sure if I agree that he does that. He does call out women many times in his posts, but it isn’t the main point of all his posts. This one post is an example:

          http://canecaldo.wordpress.com/2013/10/13/you-bowed-up-when-you-should-have-bowed-down/

          I don’t think manospherians enjoy dealing with him all the time. Vox sputtered and made a nonsense rebuttal to Cane’s post. And on other blogs I’ve seen Cane shutdown Rollo Tomassi upon which Rollo disappeared lol.

        • Admittedly I skimmed the three pieces because I am at work, so maybe I mischaracterized your stance. I’ll try again at home when I can read more in depth. I also didn’t know that you feel game works as well as placebo or that manospherians tend to lose their cool when dealing with you too. I’ll take you at your word though because you do seem intelectually honest and rational.

        • James,

          I am in complete amazement and awe at the candor and poised and elegant manner in which you have fought against this worldliness of the non-sense called “Game”. Kudos, brother! I’ve been railing on these guys for a long time, first on SSM, then on Laura’s blog. I’m glad that more men are standing up against this tripe and boldly holding steadfast to the Bible. What really rails me is when outside people see “Christian’s” endorsing this stuff. Instead of standing apart from cultural norms and holding firm to loving but just Christian values and our biblical convictions, people see them all of us as just as lost and clueless. I kept wondering, where is the bold witness who will stake his rep on standing for Christ and being willing to suffer both the scorn of the feminized church and the so-called PUA red-pill “manospherian” neo-christians. I’m glad that you’re willing to side with Christ, brother.

        • By the way, James. Feel free to let adsgamer have it. I grow weary of dealing with these children. Now he’s blathering about whether or not I know Christ or not.

  7. True believers in PUA’s are unwittingly buying into women’s made up Mythical Dare-Devil described by Mencken almost a century ago.

    It’s about as close to a rule of nature as is attainable in the social sciences: first the feminists show up, then there’s an outbreak of date rape hysteria.

    It happened on college campuses back in the 80’s, and PUA hysteria is just a variation on the theme.

  8. @TBP

    Isn’t your alternative of “Christian masculinity” pretty much the same as game? Other than the lack of talk about fornication (and let’s face it the gamers are rarely successful at fornication), I can’t see a difference between “Christian masculinity” and game.

    1) You seem to be attributing to me what others are doing. I am not involved in others’ attempts to codify the process of living as a Christian man. I don’t hold it against them, but it’s simply not my thing.

    2) If your premise is correct that Game is nothing more than a scam, then you should see a difference between it and “Christian masculinity” because one can actually be a Christian and a man. Those aren’t scams. There really is a Christ (who has a Way to live), and there really are men. You oppose Game on the grounds that it is fake. An obvious alternative to a fraud is the genuine. The fact that lies mimic the truth is not a reason to discount the truth.

    If you’re serious about being anti-game, then you should be pointing out how it all started as a scam by a known con artist, Eben Pagan, who has already cashed out and is on to another scam. Game is lies on top of lies.

    It’s not accurate to say I’m “serious about being anti-game”. That phrase carries the implication that it is a mission of mine. My mission is to be serious about clearing away cobwebs and hobgoblins of thought among Christians. For example: Christians don’t need to know about Eben Pagan to make an informed decision about Game. They just need to know what Christianity means to do with intersex relations, sex, marriage, children, etc.

    I don’t know anything about Eben Pagan, but I’ll check out your link.

  9. TBP,

    Couldn’t have said it better, mate! Very astute observation. Indeed, the church has become infested with such worship…at times it is rather overt as with the Catholic denomination which still insists on giving Mary a personage of Godhood because of her exclusive role in playing the part of giving birth to the Messiah. It’s not entirely surprising as such worship got its roots from the Roman authority combining Christianity with Roman paganism in order to maintain stability and to avoid all out civil war. As for the marriage mandate theology, take a look at the skirmish at Cane Caldo’s on the Vox. vs. Chesterton article. A noob gamer blogger called me a feminist heretic for insinuating that men following God may have to forfeit marriage (keyword *MAY) as a sacrifice in order to walk in faith and holiness after Jesus and to avoid being entangled in women’s collective sin’s. Apparently, to some people, you have to have a “clouds parting and light from above” experience to show you that you have the gift of singleness. I suppose they too want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to follow in God’s holiness yet have their own piece of tail at home. Not truly understanding that the two, in many circumstances, are mutually EXCLUSIVE.

    When Christ was tested in the wilderness for 40 days/nights with starvation, he answered and testified “man does not live on bread alone, but by every word from God’s mouth” Matthew 4:4. So if food is considered a distant second to God’s Word, then where would our sexual needs be placed in God’s hierarchy of needs and importance? Everytime this is discussed, the one proclaiming God’s Truth is considered a Churchian feminist for insinuating sexual desires MAY be a sacrifice to follow Christ. Marriage mandate theology takes a blessing from God and turns it into a curse. It turns the beautiful and sacred institution into an obligation by which men are made slaves, not because of the bonding of two flesh as one as God intended, but because nowadays there are way too many extra biblical and even heretical teachings that place undue and evil burden’s upon men (INCLUDING THE PRESUMPTION OF THE GUILT OF THE SIN OF BEING BORN A MAN – AKA MISANDRY). Many women have taken marriage to mean that now they have someone they can unload their own crosses on so that they can have the glory and reward of Christ without carrying their own cross since they have a man doing it for them now. I have said before that I can’t redeem myself from my own sin’s, so I for damn sure am not going to sign on to be some woman’s Redeemer, only Christ can and should do that.

    As for the statement of attraction and the failure of being a good Christian, I’ve seen something to that effect around the blogosphere from people like deti and other Anonymous game supporters. In fact, deti even said that had it been for relying on God’s Word and not Game, that he would have been divorced already. That’s right, you read that correctly.

    Here is the link:
    http://unmaskingfeminism.wordpress.com/2013/06/17/words-from-a-sex-starved-husband/comment-page-1/#comments

    In the comments, about 3/4 of the page down (depending on browser settings), he says “That being said, if I had relied on Scripture or brothers and sisters for answers, I’d probably be divorced right now and my children’s lives ruined.” So basically he is invalidating the stone and testament of the Truth and Power of God’s Word by appealing to the authority of Game instead of God. Not surprising since we’ve seen what happens to those who seek wisdom, answers and salvation from outside of God’s Word. Look at what happened to the Hebrews when they abandoned God’s Word to assume the customs and traditions of surrounding pagan cultures, marrying their women, and assimilating into their belief structures. They enjoyed the illusion of their sin’s only for a season before reality came crashing down and judgement was upon them, and yet God still loved them to give them every opportunity to be redeemed. Game is nothing more than assuming the worldly culture into our life instead of being transformed by God’s Word and transforming the world by being a light of hope for His Truth. Game is nothing more than female-sin apologetics. Nothing good can come from compromising and negotiating with such a sin. It is not loving to accept someone’s sins. Accepting them is loving and we are commanded to do so, but their sin has to be dealt with sternly as not doing so leads them to their own destruction and our own should we be entangled in it as well.

    • The Catholic Church’s devotion to Mary is a huge problem, but every other denomination of Christianity has also become a fertility goddess cult. The true Christian thing to do now would be to tell men to avoid women, but since the Christian church is a fertility goddess cult don’t expect that to happen.

      • Won’t stop me from warning men. I get called everything under the sun for preaching the message. I will continue to do so, regardless. Please keep fighting the good fight, BP.

  10. Ross Jeffries is–last I checked–selling New Age/Magick now. Redundant for a Rock-n-Roll Mr. MOJO Voodoo Chile like myself. I caught his first wave (‘Donahue’ era) JUST before I caused a 22-yr-old Brooklyn nymphette to travel 600 miles to NC just to fuck me for a week…on my own talent and Polaroids. I actually told my GF (now my ex-wife) about Jeffries, and she said she knew the same stuff in Magick–which she taught me, Lucifer bless her!

    I actually learned *MY* groove-game in the late 70’s via Anais Nin (‘Delta Of Venus’), Woody Allen, Fellini (‘Casanova’) and Led Zeppelin/’Circus’ magazine.

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