58 comments on “World Of Ptavvs

  1. and if you wanna read real sci-fi, check out this broad..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_Zimmer_Bradley

    she was married to Walter Breen…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_H._Breen

    tehhee, he really loved men and boys… you MRA’s claim to but don’t really. Well, I guess Jack Don-0-van counts. But he’s doing his recruiting by going to the man-0-sphere…

    remeber, it’s not rape when a feminist does it…

    toodles misogynists…

  2. we need more artistic expression like this.

    layer it in metaphor and subtext, but at the core it should be a story about male enslavement and subjugation. I’ve never heard a story told quite like the one we live in the real world.

    • The problem is that you would have to layer it in so much metaphor it would be unrecognizable. It’s really a massive coincidence that World of Ptavvs and other stories set in Niven’s Known Space universe have something that can be mapped on to the reality of men and women so easily.

  3. If men take wealth-creating resources and establish a “cartel”, there is the break-away problem. The first man to break away gets his choice of beautiful women. He can choose one who is afraid and lazy to live on her own.

    I don’t think men will rise up against the “power.”

    Prominent MGTOW’s like Barbarossa and Stardusk call this the “one-blowjob-away” problem.

    Both the minority position and decentralized nature of MGTOW make it work as an individual choice for men who are rational.

    I’ve seen other voices who say men should “band together” and “distribute” the women. As in 95%+ men get a woman by age 18 or so…. That doesn’t seem realistic at all, just more of the same problem.

    • ” I’ve seen other voices who say men should “band together” and “distribute” the women.”
      While this could hypothetically happen, it would be a form of slavery which is unethical and immoral. Women, for all their faults, aren’t resources. They are human beings, and human beings shouldn’t be treated like wheat or oil. I’ve seen radfems essentially argue for a significant tax to be placed solely on male labor to provide for women/children everywhere…this isn’t quite the same as actually “distributing” someone’s person, but I find it just as immoral.

      ” As in 95%+ men get a woman by age 18 or so…. That doesn’t seem realistic at all, just more of the same problem.”
      Perhaps not so unrealistic. Think of societies that have a matchmaker. All boys/men in a community are “matched” with a girl/woman. Those few men and women who didn’t want to be married off became servants, apprentices, or moved to other communities. Lol, I’d rather go become an apprentice than be told to marry. At least then I’d be in charge of my own life decisions.

      • “this isn’t quite the same as actually “distributing” someone’s person, but I find it just as immoral. ”

        Just to make the context of my comments as clear as possible, I completely agree.

        • No worries. Your comment didn’t sound like you thought “distributing” people was ethical, nor do I think most who comment here would. I’m just furthering the conversation with what is presented, not passing judgment anyway.

      • Could the bandersnatchi, instead of organic, be virtual social media programs? Twitter, Facebook, Tinder, Instagram, Blogspot, etc? Women put everything true about the Black Pill for all to see online.

        • That is an excellent point, greatshebang. What better way to “spy” on someone than to simply let them keep speaking without a filter?

        • Could the bandersnatchi, instead of organic, be virtual social media programs? Twitter, Facebook, Tinder, Instagram, Blogspot, etc? Women put everything true about the Black Pill for all to see online.

          That makes so much sense. Just as the Tnuctipun were masters of biotech, (right now) we’re masters of computer software so the metaphor makes lots of sense.

          The Thrint, Tnuctipun, & Bandersnatchi are all a part of Larry Niven’s Known Space Universe, a shared universe where a lot of his novels and short stories take place. How many of the species in the Known Space Universe map to things we see WRT to black pill ideas? Pak Protectors may be equivalent to white knights and manginas especially since its rumored that Pak Protectors were a derivative of something created for the Thrint.

  4. Agree wholeheartedly that men need to learn to recognize how women are able to manipulate them. You can see it everyday, even in small conversations between strangers…it’s disturbing on many levels. This is why I support MGTOWs. Not because I want men to be “islands”*, but because I think men need to truly understand the type of hypocrisy that is so evident in sex/gender relations and how harmful the current climate is to them. Until the divorce and family courts change, we make women register for the Draft, men are not looked down on for being unemployed or househusbands, and all the minute double standards are gotten rid of, I’d recommend that hetero men not get married.

    Without more clarification, I don’t know if I agree with your statement of “beyond that they (women) can’t do anything else.” In my personal experience, having a vagina doesn’t preclude you from doing things like having a job, doing volunteer work, learning a new skill, pushing your physical/mental abilities, or enjoying a hobby. I was born with 2 X chromosomes, but that never stopped me from rehabilitating wildlife, changing the oil in my car, going to work 55 hours a week, getting a bachelor’s degree, or learning how to start a campfire. However, it is also my experience that having a vagina means you aren’t as expected to do certain activities and you have more people accepting of your decision to not. This is another form of inequality (benevolent sexism coupled with unfair expectations on men to pick up the slack) which needs to be shown for what it is and done away with.

    *Obviously there are men who, like myself, enjoy their singlehood. But it’s one thing to choose to remain single and another to be forced into it.

    • In my personal experience, having a vagina doesn’t preclude you from doing things like having a job, doing volunteer work, learning a new skill, pushing your physical/mental abilities, or enjoying a hobby. I was born with 2 X chromosomes, but that never stopped me from rehabilitating wildlife, changing the oil in my car, going to work 55 hours a week, getting a bachelor’s degree, or learning how to start a campfire.

      Given your gender dysphoria, “women” doesn’t necessarily apply to you, but that’s kind of beside the point. What feminists (and even women in general) have done is collectivized everything about women so it becomes impossible to distinguish individual women. It’s like my recent comment on your blog about treating women like a monolith. I constantly hear women talking about “all women” (remember the #yesallwomen hashtag, for example) when it benefits them, but they want to arbitrarily be treated like individuals when being treated like a monolith bites them in the butt.

      However, it is also my experience that having a vagina means you aren’t as expected to do certain activities and you have more people accepting of your decision to not. This is another form of inequality (benevolent sexism coupled with unfair expectations on men to pick up the slack) which needs to be shown for what it is and done away with.

      It’s not “benevolent sexism” because that implies women are oppressed by this when it’s the opposite.

      • True, I don’t tend to consider myself a female in the majority of interactions. However, since I can’t afford hormone therapy and I wouldn’t do surgery (hell, I’m 30 and have no tattoos or piercings) I still present as female-bodied, albeit a tomboy. Much like the woman who lived as a man for a year, I think this masculine mind/feminine body gives me a glimpse inside both worlds. And trust me…they almost are literal worlds apart.

        I plan on doing a post about being gender dysphoric in the manosphere. It’s actually quite confusing at times. Should I keep letting people assume I’m a male? When I talk about my lover will it just be assumed I’m gay? How do I comment about women when I technically am one…”they” or “us”? Will I be banned or mocked if anyone follows my name and reads my blog? There’s lots to consider.

        For example, I agree with some of the #yesallwomen thing, but only in that yeah, as a female-bodied person I’ve experienced some of what they talk about. However, I’m not about to be a crybaby and whine about the “bad menz”…some men are douches, some women are douches. No matter what any social justice warriors do, people in general will still revel in their douchery. Complaining about a few random jerks isn’t a calamity. It’s called living in a world with random jerks.

        As for benevolent sexism, I’m not sure what else you’d call it. That’s the only term I’ve ever known for it. Maybe benevolent double standards? Unnecessary pedestalization? Chivalry?

        • There really is a meaningful difference in terms between “white knighting” and “benevolent sexism”. Benevolent sexism implies that its forced on women which isn’t the case.

        • In many cases it isn’t forced on women in a strict sense…no one is holding an individual woman down and literally pushing her into a chair he pulled out for her. Likewise I haven’t heard of a man wrestling a woman’s purchases out of her arms in order to carry them for her. But there is a great amount of social pressure to accept help even when it’s entirely unnecessary or even makes one feel like a child. If you don’t, you may be called names or get a reputation as a radfem. See my third example here: https://tarnishedsophia.wordpress.com/2013/11/03/chivalry-is-dead-long-live-courtesy/

        • You’re not looking at this broadly enough. When you look beyond chairs and doors (neither of which has to do with white knighting), it becomes clear that this isn’t being forced on women.

        • Hmm. Perhaps we are suffering from a case of different definitions. What do you mean when you refer to white knighting? I’ve always thought it was a man who was overtly chivalrous, one who seems to think women have it so bad that he must take their side in everything and change situations to suit them.

  5. How will MGTOWs reproduce? I doubt you’ve thought that far ahead?

    It’s no accident that only incels are attracted to your ideology. Anyone who can get it from an attractive White woman would never embrace an ideology of hatred against his female kin.

      • Dear Gods…*again* with the whole “White women” obsession? BP, what the heck did you do to attract so many racists and incel haters? You are in dire need of some Bigot-B-Gone, my friend.

        • I wish I knew. While I oppose white vagina worship, they even show up when I’m not talking about them. I suspect that the problem is that they thought they could recruit MRAs, MGTOW, incels, etc. They failed because we’re not interested in white vagina worship. I’m a reminder of their failure so they come here.

        • LOL, you daffy nerds dismissed Name’s question because they said the word “kin,” yet you feel secure calling others bigots. La ironee, sheeza theeck

        • I can’t speak for anyone else here, but *I* dismissed him because he sounds like a white nationalist/racist who puts women (specifically white women) on an undeserved pedestal. Don’t care what words are used, only the meaning behind them.

  6. “On a more serious note, *is* it only white feminists who use the “y”? I honestly do not know.”

    oh pish tah, you kyriarchical misogynist’s are all the same…

    do your research, do I have to do ALL the work here???

    it’s like when one of these guys finally saves u[p for a sex vacation and then complains that the ladies just laid back and took all his money while he got all sweaty like he was riding a bike up a hill…

    http://thefeministwire.com/2013/03/an-open-letter-to-amanda-marcotte/

    see, us feminists have very similar attitudes to the race realist HBD guys in the manosphere, except we only say it behind closed doors–that way NAM’s and POC’s think we like them and we can use them as disposable footsoldiers for our made up causes while we take all the credit….

    • Dr. Nerdlove is a great pro male feminist ally

      He uses complex but illogical rationalizations just to seem reasonable, he is the next Schweitzer, we are grooming him for some serious shit…

      you misogynists better be prepared–he’s gonna take over TGMP, the MSN and even Gawker…

      He’s more hegemonically masculine than Noah Brand…

        • oh, that’s the point–we are winning the war….

          and no one will know…

          http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/20/ozys-anti-heartiste-faq/

          Look at this fine article and see how Zie (not a she you misogynists but a Zie) critiques Heartiste as you try to do….

          Zie even seems charitable to low status men…

          But really we aren’t….

          Notice there is no mention of Hearitiste’s rampant racism-eerilie siimilar to Elliot Rodger’s—

          y’know why because then we can recruit manospherians whose only “nothces” were drunken BJ’s from Roosh and Jack Donovan….

          If Zie pointed out the race realism, well, it would go against what us feminists truly say behind closed doors and we couldn’t recruit manospherians. Then we’d be just like you-hated by the manosphere and feminism. It doesn’t matter if you are telling the truth, only winning matters.

          And you are probably surprised that we are revealing our “secret” strategy but that is how certain I am of victory….

          toodles misogynists…

  7. The Thrint are a poor metaphor for women, as they rule mainly through hard power (if anything, women exert control via soft power) and are acknowledged by everyone as the rulers of society (most people think it’s a man’s world, obviously). The book is just another “gosh, colonialism was bad,” allegory, which are dime-a-dozen in sci fi. Your comparison’s all wet, I’m afraid.

    If there were a book where the telepathic slavemasters lived like bums and were assumed to be low-status by the dupes they controlled (say, on some frontier slave colony where prestigious work meant extreme danger/exposure to toxins/etc), now that would be interesting.

    • The Thrint were able to conquer planets without firing a single shot. That is soft power.

      I can tell you never read the book, if you think it’s about colonialism. And since when do women live like bums?

      • hard power means “formal position of authority,” soft power means “informal influence.” Warren Buffet has hard power even though he’s never shot anyone. Rasputin had soft power even though he didn’t have a vagina (not attached to his body anyway).

        And you think a book describing a literal “empire” where ingroup-outgroup relations are literally defined by species is a better metaphor for gender relations than colonialism? oooookay e_e

        • Warren Buffet doesn’t have an official government position.

          If you read the book or the Wikipedia page about it you would know 99% of the plot takes place billions of years after the Thrint empire was destroyed so no the book isn’t about colonialism.

  8. It’s a poor analogy because women are not unintelligent (IQ data proves it) and posses no telepathic powers.

    • Compared to any man who is equivalent to the Tnuctipun in this analogy, women are morons.

      Women don’t have to have telepathic powers for the analogy to be correct. There is an episode of Star Trek called Let That Be Your Last Battlefield about racism with a species whose face was half black and half white. No such person exists, but that doesn’t make it invalid.

  9. In 1900 in America we did not have these problems. You had misbehaving women, but you didn’t have a government that actively encouraged and rewarded their misbehavior as you do now. That is the flaw in your “logic.”

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  11. Meh the only thing I’ve managed by helping my fellow men is to have my sexuality questioned. Those blue pillers who don’t even consider to analyze the world they have around and their past experiences can die in debt for all I care.

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