64 comments on “PUA Talks To Women And Gets Into Trouble With Police Proving Game Does Not Exist

  1. He lost his frame! He just needs more practice! He should have gone out at night (or in the day if he did go out at night)! Sure they called the police on him but did he get 1 or 2 phone numbers? If he did, that proves it works!

    • Everything proves that game works, failure with women proves game works (not kidding. Roosh uses stories of his failures with women to sell books about game)

      Nothing can disprove game. At most, a particular practionwr of game can be shown to be unskilled. But somewhete out there in the universe, in a land beyond time and space, a place of purity unsullied by the dirt of this worlf, game exists in gleaming perfection, shining bright and true.

      And it is our task and duty as lonely pilgrims to carry out the will of the great God Evo Psyche, lord of all living things, giver of meaning and purpose, terrible judge of men, mighty sifter of men into alphas and betas, slayer of the loathsome gamma who Women Do Not Like, the Great Supplicator himself, lord of gamer hosts, who shall utterly uproot those who doubt game, we must carry out the great wish of our dread lord and find this place where game exists shining true forever.

    • Tyler Dyrden (a millionaire PUA celebrity) is the best example of the cognitive dissonance in this cult. Among the many different rationalizations he comes up with, the best one is the “my game is a meal that needs to be warmed up” excuse.

      Watch this video where he mocks and makes fun of people using the scientific method (because apparently only basement-dwelling virgins require things to make logical sense).

      https://seductionmyth.wordpress.com/2013/06/09/pua-rationalization-on-the-numbers-game/

      Apparently, the fact that it takes him getting rejected 30-40 times before he gets a score, isn’t proof that there’s no such thing as game.

      No, you see, he “gamed” chick 35 into banging him, and the game did NOT fail on the first 34 chicks… Its just that when you don’t “apply game” (i.e. sleep) your game “resets”, and you need to get rejected 34 times before it “reboots”.

      I wish I was making this stuff up.

  2. OT: Why do people these days view Buddhism as a “good” wisdom tradition, and patriarchy as a “bad” wisdom tradition?

    Patriarchy draws upon a much larger base of experience than Buddhism, after all.

    • I don’t think its accurate to say that Buddhism isn’t patriarchal (depending on what school of Buddhism you’re talking about). The Buddhism we see in the West is equivalent to the Episcopalian Church which isn’t representative of all of Christianity.

  3. OT?

    Teen sex rate lowest since the 1980s, contraceptive use remains high

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/22/health/teen-sex-rate/

    >The study found that 44% of females and 47% of males in the 15- to 19-year-old age group reported having had sex between 2011 and 2013, the years that the teens were surveyed. Those rates have not changed from the previous survey period, 2006 to 2010, although they are much lower than in 1988 when 51% of females and 60% of males in this age group reported having had sex.

    In other words, the percentage of teen male virgins in that age range has increased by about a third in a quarter century, from 40 percent to 53 percent. How many of those boys in that 53 percent won’t have sexual experience a decade later?

    • Virginity rates have been increasing for a while now. There was a study about university students also, where it showed how virginity rates are soaring in university.

      • So what do male virginity crisis deniers like David Futrelle and Dr. Nerdlove make of these studies? Do they want to maintain that the population of “losers” in the U.S. has mysteriously increased? Or will they eventually come around to admitting that feminism has corrupted young women’s values, and that these women have wrongfully sent perfectly decent young men to the Reserves?

        • So what do male virginity crisis deniers like David Futrelle and Dr. Nerdlove make of these studies? Do they want to maintain that the population of “losers” in the U.S. has mysteriously increased?

          They will do three things:

          1. Deny it’s happening.
          2. Flood us with fake and semi-fake stories of female virginity like at the link that The Real Peterman provided to Manginalove’s website.
          3. Blame it on “misogyny”, basically invoking the just world fallacy and the feminist time machine to say that virgin (and near virgin) men deserved to be rejected by women.
        • That story about the virginal comic book girl made me laugh. Tina Fey tells a similarly implausible story about why she didn’t lose her virginity until she turned 24: “I couldn’t give it away.”

        • Hemant Mehta, the allegedly Friendly Atheist, keeps publishing nonsensical stories about women who grow up in strict churches where they receive the predictable abstinence and purity indoctrination about sex, and how liberating they find it when they disregard those teachings and become sluts.

          For some reason he doesn’t publish similar accounts about guys who grow up in those kinds of churches and discover the wonders of sex when they become apostates. It just doesn’t necessarily work that way for a lot of guys, not these days.

          I have a conjecture about why atheists might think otherwise, however. In the old days it took an unusually bold guy to come out as an atheist, for example, the poet Percy Bysshe Shelley. The pioneering atheists probably attracted women any way, only abandoning belief in god just made it marginally easier to get sex without worrying about religious sanctions. These atheists wrongly assumed that their trick would work for all the other guys who became atheists. They didn’t foresee that instead atheism would result in mass male sexual eviction, and how more and more men with normal desires would have to live like sexually abstinent Christians because secular or atheist women didn’t find them sexually worthy.

        • So what do male virginity crisis deniers like David Futrelle and Dr. Nerdlove make of these studies?

          That’s like asking “so how will a religious fundamentalist respond when shown scientific evidence/logical argument”.

        • OTOH, atheism does mean that they can look porn, masturbate, and visit prostitutes without religious guilt. That is, before new forms of control rise up.

        • So why don’t all those male virgins fly to other Asian countries like the Philippines and Thailand to see prostitutes? Why don’t the male virgins in Silicon Valley make the road trip to Nevada to see the legal prostitutes there.

          Everyone knows that prostitutes exist, and where to find them. Why, then, do we see all of these male virgins? Perhaps they realize that prostitutes don’t solve their real problem, namely, how to acquire the skills you need to deal successfully in a world full of modernized women who think they have sovereignty over their own lives. Prostitutes can give you sexual experience, but they can’t teach you how to get into sexual relationships, of course, much less how to impress a sexually experienced woman from a company’s HR department who interviews you for a job.

        • I didn’t make up the example about the sexually experienced woman from the HR department, either. I don’t interview well with women. I got to peek at one such woman’s notes during a break in a job interview; she interviewed me one on one at first, and then in the second part several other people would interview me around a table. She noted my discomfort in talking with her, and because I know you can’t undo the effects of a bad first impression, I went to the men’s room, changed back into my everyday clothes and drove home without taking my leave. I just didn’t want to waste any more time with that stupid bitch.

          If I had some sexual experience and relationships under my belt beforehand, like an allegedly normal guy, I think I would have done better. At least the woman interviewing me wouldn’t think on some level that I look like the sort of guy women have rejected consistently, and she might have respected me more.

          Though given current trends, sexual experience for young men shows signs of becoming somewhat less “normal” than we formerly assumed. We can’t take it for granted, despite myths in our culture about the sexual debut as a developmental stage every healthy boy goes through, like a healthy baby’s ability to learn how to walk.

        • @The Real Peterman:

          In the post dated July 24, 8:54 AM, right above my story about the job interview that went wrong.

  4. These blog posts just keep getting better and better… Right to the point. Whereas the MDAD industry has to keep going round and round in circles to try to make their case, since they have none to make.

    • When someone isn’t trying to bullshit or defraud you, anything they say will be simple and direct. Things only get complicated and/or convoluted when someone is trying to hide something.

  5. So we have to consider the possibility that while healthy babies naturally learn how to talk and walk as a developmental stage, even if older people in the family don’t particularly encourage them to do so, many healthy young men don’t naturally know how to get into sexual relationships. That requires cultural construction, like learning how to drive a car. If you don’t take driver’s ed in your teenage years and you don’t get behind the wheel of a car to learn the basics of handling it, you won’t know how to drive a car as an adult.

    • many healthy young men don’t naturally know how to get into sexual relationships. That requires cultural construction, like learning how to drive a car. If you don’t take driver’s ed in your teenage years and you don’t get behind the wheel of a car to learn the basics of handling it, you won’t know how to drive a car as an adult.

      In the past, they facilitated young men getting together with young women. Granted it was a fast track to marriage, but it was done. Churches used to have dances and socials to fast track the creation of couples and into marriage. And it wasn’t just the Christian churches either. Lots of cultures from the Jews to Asian cultures had matchmakers. Even in nightclubs in Koreatown in L.A., there’s a thing called booking where guys will pay for drinks and the night club will bring girls to the tables of the guys. The girls do it for the free drinks from the guys, but even that (which came over from Korea) is another example of how traditional societies facilitated young men and young women into couples.

      I have seen a lot of talk both in the manuresphere and outside of it about traditionalism, but it’s all talk. They don’t implement any traditional methods to get men and women to form couples. Traditionalists are full of shit.

  6. I’ve noticed from the comments on the story of the teen sex survey that people want to blame the increase in teen male virginity on endocrine disruptors in the environment, which allegedly have the effect of “feminizing” boys.

    Once again, people don’t want to understand the male sexual eviction crisis on its own terms, and instead they try to force a canned explanation on it which makes them comfortable: Oh, male virgins must have something biologically wrong with them, like the character John Hawkes played in “The Sessions.”

    I had nothing wrong with my hormones as a teenager, thank you. I even have a deep voice; many people have asked me over the years if I ever worked in radio. The girls still wanted nothing to do with me, however.

    • What even makes less sense: The trend to pathologize the male virgin with normal desires while normalizing the gay man with dysfunctional desires. At least the male virgin in the Reserves has the interest in normal intercourse which could make babies. If a catastrophe destroyed all the cool boys and left the Reserves, the human race could still stay in business, even if women had to suppress their disgust at letting Reservists inseminate them.

      I still have trouble believing that this perversion of values has happened in my lifetime.

    • I’ve noticed from the comments on the story of the teen sex survey that people want to blame the increase in teen male virginity on endocrine disruptors in the environment, which allegedly have the effect of “feminizing” boys.

      Once again, people don’t want to understand the male sexual eviction crisis on its own terms, and instead they try to force a canned explanation on it which makes them comfortable: Oh, male virgins must have something biologically wrong with them

      Absolutely. It’s blame plastics, blame guns, blame video games, blame blacks, blame Jews, blame everything except (white) western women. Here is a good example where they try an twist Edward Snowden into a male loser with no job who can’t get laid despite the fact that he had a job earning 6 figures and a hot girlfriend. That’s how much they’re avoiding the real problem.

      This is also the same problem I have with conspiracy theory. It blames everything except (white) western women for problems.

      • I discovered The Federalist website awhile back, and then I noticed how many women write for it.

        Frankly I don’t care to read anything by a conservative woman unless she acknowledges that women’s sexual freedom has turned into a social trainwreck, and that men need to revoke that freedom. Otherwise, if you leave women to their own devices, they will continue to damage themselves due to their bad judgment, and then create collateral damage in society. In practice most conservative women want just enough sexual freedom for their own convenience, while posting on the internet how they disapprove of abortion.

  7. Women want Reservists to stick around, preferably as we spend our lonely nights “developing” ourselves and piling up assets from whatever work we can get these days. But their rejection deprives us of the experiences we need to develop the skills we need to live successfully in a world full of these women who think they have sovereignty over their own lives.

      • I have a slow-learning problem about some things that other guys seem to pick up on quickly in their teens and twenties. I have only just recently, as in the last few months, realized the importance of what I call the Adult Man’s Skill Set (AMSS), and how that has to come from early sexual experiences and relationships with women. And I don’t mean merely seduction skills; these don’t exist in isolation, but they become part of a larger tool kit for dealing with women successfully in the rest of life.

        Guys who acquired the AMSS at the right age, by contrast, don’t seem to recognize that they have these skills and that adult male virgins lack them. Their blindness about this absence probably contributes to their generally clueless and useless “advice” to guys like me, at least. They don’t seem to understand that sexual experience is its own training, so how does learning how to dance make any difference? I call that an example of magical thinking for a reason.

        No, for some reason no one wants to deal with the problem directly: The adult male virgin who wants to start a sex life needs to find a woman who feels attracted enough to him in his given state to want to put out for him, even after knowing his lack of sexual experience. That bypasses all of this time-wasting, goalpost moving nonsense in the world of alleged pickup advice.

        • I know just what you mean. People told me as a kid “just be yourself and it will all happen for you!” and I naively believed them. Lately I’ve come to believe everything is a skill, and I never acquired a lot of them.

          They say it’s a lot easier to learn a language when you’re a kid. Why shouldn’t there be other skills that are easiest to learn at certain stages of growth?

        • By contrast the young women suffering from shyness, depression, low self-esteem or social anxiety do seem to pair up with men any way, even the average-looking women who keep themselves presentable. I have the impression that they probably make for more reliable girlfriends and wives; their social inhibitions keep them from shopping around for other men.

          The psycho-pseudoscience marketed to women about empowerment through promiscuity, assertiveness, self-esteem, becoming badasses and so forth, has probably contributed to the male sexual eviction trend. I think men had better relationships with women when women felt humility about their station in life.

          It doesn’t mean that I want women to feel bad about existing. I just want them to derive joy from the natural things they evolved to do, not from trying to meet the artificial and impractical standards imposed on them by feminists.

    • What is this about developing skills? If a girl wants to fuck you she will.

      I’ve seen skinny junkies get girlfriends,

      This nonsense about developing skills is just applying agency to men, women are the selectors and women are mentally ill and their selection critia is insane.

  8. I found this interesting because it supports the 80/20 claim about male sexual desirability, though I also suspect it has the agenda of appeasing frustrated Reservists by arguing that they will get their share by “developing” themselves and waiting:

    Cool at 13, Adrift at 23

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/cool-at-13-adrift-at-23/?_r=0

    >Researchers took pains to document the rise and fall in social status, periodically interviewing the subjects as well as those who they felt knew them best, usually close friends. About 20 percent of the group fell into the “cool kid” category at the study’s outset.

    These former “cool boys” also allegedly have trouble maintaining romantic relationships as young adults. But that could just indicate that the cool guys can easily move from one woman to the next, especially because their early experiences gave them excellent skills for doing so. And it also shows that the girls line up to try to get their early sexual experiences with the cool boys because they don’t feel sexually attracted to the nerds.

    I don’t know why we deny this reality and pretend that it works otherwise.

    If I had the power, I would like to conduct an experiment where I would identify and isolate the cool boys from their peer group so that girls had only the alleged nerds around them during their early sexual socialization, just to see what happens.

    • Have you ever heard of this?

      Note: IM NOT SAYING WE SHOULD POISON ANYONE.

      I think your experiment would be very interesting. So many people think attraction is inborn but I disagree. If girls were only around nerds, and weren’t swamped with society’s anti-nerd views, I think they could learn to like them.

  9. One time I put the keys in the ignition of my car.

    It wouldn’t start.

    Proving that cars do not exist.

    • If cars in general started only about 3 percent of the time, or at a success rate comparable to Tyler Durden’s pickup efforts, then you would conclude that automotive technology doesn’t work much better than chance.

      I understand that you have to practice a difficult skill to get better at it, but if one of these alleged PUA masters has to harass dozens of women before he scores, then he basically uses a brute-force approach towards picking up women, not one that shows he has developed an efficient strategy.

        • I thought yogurt, quiche, and fondue were the gay foods. Cream, scrambled eggs with bacon and potatoes and melted cheese dip……oooooh soooo European and unmanly…..

      • hahahaha, or maybe it is reverse psychology to convert more men to the pink swastika–ie feminists-“men are privielged het cis scum”–“Oh, please beat me 50 shades of gray and if you don’t it’s because you are an evillle Nice Guy ™ “

      • Morbid curiosity-just wanted to see whose more dumb and mean-Mandy Marcotte and the femanazi’s or Jack donovan and the neo nazi’s…

        I’ll use archive for the controversial links…

        (I only thought things tracked back if it was in the article, not comments.)

        • (I only thought things tracked back if it was in the article, not comments.)

          That’s true for trackbacks, but they can see where traffic comes from due to referrers and that exists in any link. (I can see where traffic to this blog comes from in the stats portion of my wordpress dashboard.) That’s one reason archive.is exists and sites like donotlink.com exist.

  10. I don’t find it coincidental that women’s increasing willingness to suck men’s penises has apparently tracked the male sexual eviction trend. To me it looks like a fallback form of rejection, as if the woman after disrobing with a man realizes that she let the situation get out of control, so she performs oral “sex” on him because she wants to keep his penis away from her vagina.

  11. Wasn’t sure where to put this as there’s no “open thread” but this one of the strangest, yet funniest PUA videos I have ever seen

    I’m still not 100% convinced he’s being serious…..

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  13. In the same vein…

    http://www.pick-up-artist-forum.com/almost-went-to-jail-banned-from-campus-for-doing-daygame-vt145519.html

    Some of the comments are hilarious… One guy is actually encouraging the dude to go to jail and become a martyr and another guy with a very dubious understanding of the law asks to stand up to the police(in an alpha manner of course).

    Though to be fair a few posters saw that his attempts were ill conceived to begin with. The PUA in question opens a set of girls in a dorm by saying “this is not a robbery” LOLLL and he is shocked SHOCKED that they are creeped out. Heck I would be creeped out as a male student if some middle aged weirdo accosts me by saying “this is not a robbery”!

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