226 comments on “Libertarianism Is Becoming Another Form Of Gynosocialism

  1. Women and Manginas would be on the ‘B’ Ark.
    http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Golgafrincham

    …The story was that they would build three Ark ships. Into the A ship would go all the leaders, scientists and other high achievers. The C ship would contain all the people who made things and did things, and the B ark would hold everyone else, such as hairdressers and telephone sanitizers. They sent the B ship off first, but of course the other two-thirds of the population stayed on the planet and lived full, rich and happy lives…

  2. Regardless of whatever the pluses or minuses of Libertarianism may be, the fact is most of government exists to benefit women.  Take any government social program and the beneficiaries are either mostly or all women.
    Which is why I support actual Libertarianism, which would not have this problem in its purest form.

    Anyone who wants to take away the vote from women has a scheme they want to use such as only married men get to vote.
    Always thought as much. Either that, or they’ll be white supremacists intent on first taking the vote from all women…then all non-whites…then all mixed “race” people. I can easily see the right to vote devolving into a Pay to Vote program, where only the wealthy elite can afford to make decisions for the rest of us.

    Thus the only solution is what the Pak Protectors who could rise above their biology tried which is setting up colonies in space far away from their homeworld.
    In such an instance, are you counting on the successful creation of artificial wombs or advances in cloning technology? Or is the longevity of the all-male colony not a main concern and simply a way to live out one’s days in peace?

    With Libertarians making excuses for female support for big government, Libertarianism is becoming another form of gynosocialism.
    Then it will effectively cease to be true Libertarianism.

    It’s one thing to say that domestic violence shelters for men shouldn’t be funded by the government.  It’s another to say that they should never exist, and that is not Libertarian.
    And also a frickin weird-ass stance for anyone involved in even the smallest amount of Men’s Rights to take.

    • “Then it will effectively cease to be true Libertarianism.”

      You’re dangerously close to the No True Scotsman Fallacy here.

      Political Science, Politics, Rhetoric, the Law, etc. are examples of areas of human inquiry that are concerned with the practical. As in, what do we do right now. Your case for true Libertarianism is irrelevant because nobody practices it.

      Libertarianism for many years has been driven by men’s need to be a direct provider to get attention from women instead of funding the government to be a proxy provider. If women had to get their provision directly from an individual man, that that would appeal to the traditionalists in the Libertarian movement. It is no surprise that the Libertarian movement has been predominantly single males and married couples.

      An example is Stephan Molyneux. His bad argument is that the actual Libertarian movement isn’t pure enough, but that a pure anarcho-capitalist movement would include men being rational and working really hard and getting married. He’s just way off base because he has an irrational gynocentric view while claiming to be rational and still claims to critique Libertarianism.

      There’s nowhere to go here except “your own way.”

      • There’s nowhere to go here except “your own way.”
        This is very true. And likely the solution that many more will come to before the year is over, much less the next election.

      • The no true Scotsman fallacy is what makes political debates so fucking annoying. People see political positions as an tribal identity to defend at all costs.

    • In such an instance, are you counting on the successful creation of artificial wombs or advances in cloning technology? Or is the longevity of the all-male colony not a main concern and simply a way to live out one’s days in peace?

      All the above and more such as mind uploading (and downloading), becoming cyborgs, creating AIs, genetic engineering, creating hive minds out of copies of ourselves, and more. I have no particular desire to remain a baseline human, and I imagine that most who are willing to leave for another planet won’t either. That opens up a lot of options for “reproduction”.

      • So, transhumanity, huh?
        That’s cool. I enjoy doing research our growing AI attempts, robotic ethics, and the potential for brainmapping into non/semi-organic bodies. It’s still the future, but we’re on so much of a J-curve that it could absolutely happen in our generation.

        • You guys realize don’t you that transgenderism is the precursor to transhumanism?
          One can only hope.

          Just wait until an enhanced woman goes into the mountains, creates an ice castle with her superpowers and plunges the world into endless winter.
          AA, that story gets told too often nowadays. I think it best if you…let it go. 😉

          BTW, I’ve noticed something about transhumanist women: They want to use rejuvenation and enhancement technologies to look sexy forever, but they don’t come out and say that they want to do this to keep having sexual experiences for ever.
          I’d just like to have the male body my brain thinks I should. I’m not even picky or greedy…I’ve no illusions that I’d be some kind of statuesque Adonis if I had been born male. I’d probably be pretty average, maybe a “dad-bod” type. But I’d be male, and that would get rid of this perpetual dissonance. Of course, if it came at the expense of sexual sensitivity, I’d likely decline.
          Failing that? I’d like a prehensile tail, ability to see in the infared spectrum, and stronger muscles overall. Kinda like my character in Eclipse Phase.

          Tarnished – the fellow is named Francois Trembley. He’s VERY anti-porn and wants all sorts of nasty things done to men who go to Escorts and the like. Here’s a link so you can get it from the horse’s mouth as it were
          Holy crap, Snafu.
          This is just so frickin bizarre. Then again, I’m hardly innocent when it comes to viewing/owning porn, and I’m in favor of legalized prostitution, so…

          I know she had the bad habit of smoking, which was common for both men and women back then, but what’s this poor hygiene? Did she not bathe?
          I’m curious about this as well. Granted I don’t have anything close to a full on biographical knowledge of her, but hearing that she had poor hygiene is new. Or is that code for a STD you know she had?

        • “I’d just like to have the male body my brain thinks I should. I’m not even picky or greedy…I’ve no illusions that I’d be some kind of statuesque Adonis if I had been born male. I’d probably be pretty average, maybe a “dad-bod” type. But I’d be male, and that would get rid of this perpetual dissonance. ”

          Gender dysphoria? How does that work, and why?

        • Wish I knew. It’s not been studied enough to have a definitive answer. However, it most likely has to do with the type of chemicals present during the pregnancy. Namely, that if more than the normal amount of androgens were introduced to a female fetus during the later brain development phase, the resulting child would still be fully female (not a hermaphrodite, in other words) but her neural pathways would be much more like a typical male’s. This would not only affect traits like decision making, general personality type, and sexuality, but also communication and body language. Likewise for males with gender dysphoria, though obviously reversed. Were that there was more information available, we’d have more concrete answers.

        • ” her neural pathways would be much more like a typical male’s.”

          And what are those like? Is this the ladybrain/manbrain theory? Is there scientific evidence for it?

        • And what are those like? Is this the ladybrain/manbrain theory? Is there scientific evidence for it?

          Yes, I suppose it would be.
          Yes, there are some general differences.
          This site gives some good examples of those: http://www.m.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/how-male-female-brains-differ

          Much like Spawny has said though, there is always going to be overlap and individual differences. For example, my FwB is a man. He is 6’2″, fairly strong, has a chin cleft, broad shoulders…in other words, doesn’t look like the stereotype of an “effeminate” male. However, he acts far more of the female role than I do: more emotional, has difficulty separating himself from the feelings of a situation, cares very much about being well-liked by others, is a veritable social butterfly, and even his ADHD symptoms is that of a “feminine” brain (inattention rather than hyperactivity). I’m the direct opposite, and am typically the “male role” in most of our interactions. BUT! He is very good at math, which I suck at and I excel at spelling/sentence structure, which he has frequent trouble with…so those m/f differences still made it through. The brain is a mystery I doubt we shall ever fully solve, but it is good we ate able to map out some of it.

        • I was listening to a Stardusk video yesterday, where he mentioned CS Mgtow (very good UK youtuber from Nigeria / of Nigerian extraction) attempting to get info about brain differences from 40-45 researchers. They didn’t want to talk to him. The differences in size, composition and structure are known, but the info is radioactive in current fembotised, we-are-all-the-same, never mind reality academia.

          I’ll do some digging tomorrow (I’m in the UK). In the meantime, have you seen this series from Norway?

          He was a comedian, he got interested in the science. His documentary series (the link is just one episode) got funding withdrawn from a Norwegian institute of gender ideological bigotry. The show is great in showing reality and the feminist rejection of it.

          So there are manbrains and ladybrains. Each on a distribution. Those distributions overlap, I suspect. It is my (limited) understanding that Tarn’s loose theory might be right. In any event, my experience of her online…Tarn reacts as a logical, reasonable man does. I have never seen Tarn throw a wobbly, get emotional etc. I have seen no reason to doubt that Tarn has effectively got a manbrain. How that is? Maybe in utero hormones???

        • All of the studies I’ve read so far are not big enough to make any factual conclusions. This is an important issue because “transgenders” (not intersex, that’s an actual medical condition) are making the case for “innate womanhood” and “innate manhood” and undergoing genital mutilation so that their inner “lady feels” and “man feels” match up to their outer physical presentation.

        • “. I have never seen Tarn throw a wobbly, get emotional etc.”

          Peruse the Manosphere. Its full of emotional men throwing wobblies.

          Tarn, you’re boyfriend is social therefore he’s got “ladybrains”? He’s an extrovert and extroverts tend to care what others think about them. In fact, everyone cares what someone else thinks of them, perhaps only sociopaths don’t.

          I don’t buy into ladybrain/manbrain theory because the science is in its infancy and the studies are so small. All this shoddy science, pseudoscience, yahoo news pop science is being used to spread the transagenda.

        • No such thing as sex differences in the brain is central to feminism. It’s a core requirement of their everything is a social construct horseshit.

          Believe what you want though. Idgaf.

        • You are confusing sex and gender, Spawny. Your view lines perfectly with liberal, sex positive, LGBT with an emphasis on T type feminism. The science on this stuff is in its infancy. While it is trans-activists are using any random, obscure, small study to affirm their ladyfeels and manfeels.

          Radical feminism on the other hand says SEX CANNOT BE CHANGED.

          And I agree with them.

        • Tai,
          I’m not a trans-activist, nor do I approve of most of what those people do and say. But due to my own years of personal experiences with gender dysphoria, I cannot say that each sex is 100% the same to each other. I believe that gender is innate, and is typically associated with sex…but sometimes not, like in my case. This isn’t to be “special” or to start arguments online crowing about how “different” I am or how trans folk are “so oppressed”. It is simply my life, and has been since age 5 (I’m currently 31).

          And I agree, the science is in it’s infancy. There’s not much done on it, and it’s too early to make anything other than hypothesises. Heck, it’s entirely possible that what we’re seeing is due to prenatal factors, early childhood reinforcements, chemicals in our water, or something else altogether. I certainly don’t know.

          I do know what I believe about the potential causes of trans, and what I know about my life. It is 100% fine that you don’t agree. Doesn’t hurt me any, after all. 🙂

        • “Shirley gender and sex are the same thing, outside of tumbler.

          Can’t change chromosomes.”

          Right. Yet you tried to argue there is a “man brain” and a “lady brain” and what’s more you argued that Tarn who is female has a “man brain”. No, she has a female brain, just like she has female chrompsomes and female genitals.

        • I didn’t argue anything. I stated that there are brain differences. Despite your horseshit about ‘early days’ and ‘small studies’…Bollocks. Weighing brains, measuring their volume, scanning their structure and analysing their composition (grey / white) it ain’t rocket science. And it has been done.

          The reason that this reality isn’t out there is because feminism rules the public dialogue. And they will fuck your shit up for even hinting at it. Few scientists raise their head.

          I linked to this before

          The expert scientists are clear that there are differences.

          The ‘expert’ social ‘scientists’, aka ideologues playing lab coat dress up, plainly state that they don’t care about facts. Those words are in that video.

          Even the pussified Norwegian state couldn’t take the bullshit being spouted in their ‘research’ institute. They shut it down.

          And if this information ever gets out it will be the end of quotas for women in any field. CEOs, STEM…everything. Because all of that shit is based on there being no differences between men and women (outside of genitalia)…and there are. This is why the fembots are desperate to hide this. And the politicians that want their votes are too.

          As I said above, IDGAF what you trollishly claim to believe. But thanks for giving me the opportunity to spread these words to my brothers.

          Don’t bother addressing me until you’ve watched the video, because that’s the proof that you’re serious. Rather than a seriously misandric cunt.

        • Sawny Get, “The reason that this reality isn’t out there is because feminism rules the public dialogue. ”

          You can’t be serious. You really are clueless aren’t you? Its “out there” alright and Liberal Feminists, LGBT activists and specifically Transactivists are the ones promoting it because it aligns perfectly with the Trans Agenda.

      • >I have no particular desire to remain a baseline human

        Welcome to my world, youngster. I started to think about these ideas probably before you were born.

        Have you read Robert Ettinger’s book, “Man Into Superman”?

        http://www.cryonics.org/images/uploads/misc/ManIntoSuperman.pdf

        Of course women will want enhancements as well. Just wait until an enhanced woman goes into the mountains, creates an ice castle with her superpowers and plunges the world into endless winter.

        BTW, I’ve noticed something about transhumanist women: They want to use rejuvenation and enhancement technologies to look sexy forever, but they don’t come out and say that they want to do this to keep having sexual experiences for ever. I don’t know of any who articulated the goal that she looks forward to all of the cocks on the carousel she could ride in the coming centuries. Say what you want about women, but even promiscuous ones have a sense of limits.

        You can see an example of this on Maria Konovalenko’s blog. I met her at a cryonics convention last year, so I can vouch for her existence as a real woman. She wants rejuvenation to extend her “sex appeal,” but apparently not her capacity to keep enjoying sex:

        https://mariakonovalenko.wordpress.com/2015/07/27/neverending-sex/

        • ” I met her at a cryonics convention last year”

          Did they talk about transgenderism at this convention? What was said?

        • Have you read Robert Ettinger’s book, “Man Into Superman”?

          No I have not.

          They want to use rejuvenation and enhancement technologies to look sexy forever, but they don’t come out and say that they want to do this to keep having sexual experiences for ever.

          Unless they plan on giving up their sex drive, I doubt they are going to stop having sex? In the end, who cares?

        • “Unless they plan on giving up their sex drive, I doubt they are going to stop having sex?”

          The libido naturally wanes with age. If people live much longer lives they will be living years without any sex drive at all. Which will be quite freeing. Humans are often slaves to our desires. The real sexual liberation is being liberated from that cruel master.

        • The libido naturally wanes with age. If people live much longer lives they will be living years without any sex drive at all.

          We’re talking about technology that rejuvenates a person back to when they were in their 20s or 30s so by definition that would rejuvenate their sex drive.

      • Don’t worry, Tamerlame.
        It’s only for Halloween/Samhain. Afterwards it’ll go back, or I’ll use one of my own art pieces…too many other commenters get offended or read into my typical one. Ironic, since a MGTOW friend was the one who suggested that avatar.

        • I not only suggested it, I supplied it. Blame my sense of humour. It was intended to get people to realise that Tarn was not just another woman entryist into the manosphere with no empathy for men. Tarn definitely does care about men.

        • I have a very poor record of staying with names and particularly avatars. Very poor. I’m kinda stuck with name due to the blog. BTW ‘Spawny Get’ means ‘lucky bastard’ in slang (nothing about spawning / sex). Very nearly got myself deaded but got away with just a few very small ‘shrapnel’ wounds instead, hence…lucky bastard.

          I was happy with a laughing young lion avatar till some git pointed out that as ‘patriarch’ of the blog (lmao)…I needed a mane. So I photoshopped (actually Gimp’d) one on. It’ll do.

  3. All levers of power, law, politics, media, economy, religion and education have been used as weapons against men for quite some time now. So even being a “true” or an “actual” Libertarian and thinking that government should simply go out of the way now, and that trying to use government to rectify some of these imbalances would be tyrannical, is anti-male.

    For instance, why should a man who has lost everything because of a divorce rape or false accusations and who is homeless right now (while his former wife is well off) support Libertarianism?

    Some wounds are bleeding and so deep that you need a doctor to heal them and that simply stopping to flog is not enough anymore.

  4. yeah, my personal politics are much closer to anarchist than libertarian…

    State violence is a men’s issue–just think, “collateral damage”-civilians murdered by soldiers-well I bet that is 90+% men in Iraqistan… Of course Killary continues with the old lie dulce et decorum, er, womyn are the primary vyctyms of war…

    Okay, here’s one for you, nutters like Andy Brewik, er Brevik and the Aurora Shooter were brought in without a pewcious hair hurt on their heads…

    We keep on hearing about black dudes being murdered by police. Well, look at it critically, some would be straight out murder. Some would be ambiguous and a few, the cop had to shoot the guy to save himself or he justifiable thought that he had to shoot to save civilians. However, the manuresphere won’t talk about this because in their HBD little minds black men are subhuman. To liberals, men are the violence class and we need more police even though the police are wassists. To cuckservatives, they whine about Big Gov’t ™ but have they ever complained about all the $$$ that goes to police forces buying paramilitary gear or the vast US Warmachine? State violence is a true men’s rights issue, that’s why fake men’s rights like Elam will bury this just as quickly as a feminist…

    • I think this issues is confused by the racists and so called anti racists. The black racists and white racists will always support their side no matter what the evidence. I think a lot of outsiders turn out to the police brutality issue because of this.

      • yes, but police brutality IS real and it is a true men’s right’s issue. Not saying every time someone is killed is police brutality but saying that police/government must be held much more accountable to citizens.

        Agreed that WN’s/Black Panther’s will ignore truth just like a male feminist…

        • Black lives matters is a joke for so many reasons.

          The black women who get in peoples faces about police brutality are the same women who use the police to kick black men from their homes and enslavement via the child support enforcement racket.

          I agree police brutality is a men’s issue, shame it gets derailed.

        • The greatest source of police brutality towards black men is black women. To stop police brutality towards black men, black women have to be stopped first.

        • “The greatest source of police brutality towards black men is black women.”

          I don’t know about that BP. Look at the stats.

    • He’s right. Black women, just like all women don’t create discord and problems directly but indirectly. The out of wedlock rate for blacks is over 70%.

      Many black children grow up in single parent homes. Who are the overwhelming majority of single parents? The effects of single motherhood on society and the destruction it entails are well documented.

      Black women are promiscuous, non-committal unless the terms are overwhelmingly in their favor or until they become too desperate to keep up the facade. Yet at the same time claim males are the root of the problems and deny any responsibility, while trying to saying they are some sort of foundation.

      And its not just black women. I see and hear similar nonsense from other ethnic groups as well. Eventually, men give up committing to these women and the children are left to suffer for it.

      I grew up hearing the propaganda about how “Black men are deadbeats, Black men are useless, etc”. Nothing could be further from the truth.

      To assault these lies, you need only ask a few simple questions: If the black men are such deadbeats, why do they continue to bear children with them? If the black men are so useless and destructive why do they continue to get in relationships with them? Even after bearing children (many times by multiple fathers) why do they continue to do the same thing over and over? Is that not the definition of insanity?

      • I don’t buy into the stereotype that all or even most black men are violent deadbeats. That being said, those caught up in violence facing the police on the regular, well, its not their wifeys/side pieces/baby mamas calling the cops on them. Cops patrol the areas where these thugs are known to be.

        On another note, porn, escorts, strippers, prostitution cannot exist with contraception and abortion. So how is you guys are pro those things on the one end and anti-contra and abortion on the other?

        Plus, all these out of wedlock kids exist because some dude fails to use condoms or some woman fails to use contraception or get an abortion..

      • BP, I entered in a post three times because I didn’t think it went through above. Could you delete two of them?

        “Many black men are in jail, dead, baby-daddies or on the downlow between the critical ages of 25-34 says my black ex-girlfriend. That’s why she chose to expand her horizons and “swirl” as youtube puts it”.

        I’ve seen it. Many black woman/white male pairings pass through frequently where I work. I used to not really see that pairing very often.

        I think its a good thing. Black women commonly complain that black men are useless and no good. But yet I wondered, “If we’re so useless why don’t you date other types of men”? None of them could provide a sufficient answer (I once asked my mother because I knew she’s attracted men outside of her ethnic group, she said something about when she grew up racism was more widespread and so that turned her off to the idea of pairing with a white man). To me, it seemed more like an entitlement issue – they berate the black men they are with and call them worthless but get angry when we exhibit interest with other ethnic groups.

        • “And don’t forget, despite their being in jail, suffering massive casualties these thuggish type black men still manage to reproduce quite successfully, indicating that women must be attracted to those types. Have you ever been to a ghetto or interacted with many black women? They look down on black men that aren’t thugs or hyper-masculine. ”

          OK so why does it bother you that ghetto thug females are attracted to ghetto thug males? Would you expet any different? They are each other’s socio-cultural equals.

        • OK so why does it bother you that ghetto thug females are attracted to ghetto thug males? Would you expet any different? They are each other’s socio-cultural equals.

          Because they aren’t isolated from the rest of the world. They create problems for us. Plus, their kids deserve better.

        • I agree the kids deserve better, Black Pill, but even if by some reverse in the natural order ghetto thug females would become attracted to good, responsible, upright and intelligent men, those men would not be attracted to them.

        • Having lived in a ghetto I can tell you not all people are ghetto thugs. That’s buying into cultural relativism, all cultures are same. Its just not true. I didn’t last long in the ghetto because I could not stand it. It was an alien world to me. No, everyone is not the same.

  5. Guys, you might like this video, and her videos in general:

    Watch the full video before clicking dislike, the first part of the video is her “imitating” the average woman – its not her thinking it. It’s just 5 mins, watch the full thing 🙂

  6. It should surprise no one Libertarianism is becoming a Gynocratic movement as so many of its ideas come out of Ayn Rand and Objectivism. Ayn was of course a woman and her novels are full of her fawning over Alpha Males .

      • I have indeed noticed Mr. Black Pill and found that kind of odd.It’s a big reason I don’t go on MGTOW forums, really only connection I have with MGTOW is I do enjoy some of the MGTOW bloggers and agree with them often enough I suppose. If I could be considered part of any movement it would be anti-natalism / philosophical pessimism . Even there though it’s riddled with Feminism and there is even a well known AN blogger who considers himself a “radfem”. I often encounter the nonsense among AN types that everything is Men’s fault and they force women to have children and such.Funny as I’ve known personally women who have had children to trap men in marriages and / or collect an income via child support.

        • “Since porn & prostitution existed for thousands of years before contraception & abortion, pretty easily.”

          OK indulge me. How does a porn film work without contraception to prevent pregnancy and the spread of STDs including HIV (condoms) work? How does prostitution without the same work to prevent either?

        • Oh shut up, you bunch of mediocre wastes of flesh… And please get the fuck out of AN, snafu. We don’t need irrational bigots like you to make it even harder for us to get any credibility with the outside world… Go make out with Jim Crawford and leave the rest of us to talk about the things that really matter. Not the rejects of society who waste precious food and resources that could be used to feed and clothe poor children who might grow up to be scientists, artists, thinkers, doctors, anything that might relieve some human suffering, instead of feeding it.

        • “A *male* radfem…how the hell does that work out?”

          It would be a male who subscribes to most or all of the principles of radical feminism. One thing I do appreciate about radfem is its stance on humans not being able to change their sex. As well as its stance on gender, that it is entirely, or at least mostly, socially constructed. Liberal feminism has backed itself in a corner with this “gender is innate” b.s.

    • Yeah, Rand supported the main dysfunctions of feminism:

      Abortion

      Contraception

      Women’s sexual freedom

      Premarital sex, extramarital affairs and open marriages

      College education and careers for women

      From hindsight Rand looks like basically a leftist intellectual with some contrarian views on economics and politics.

      Also consider the weird depiction of male sexuality in “Atlas Shrugged,” where Dagny can get sex with whomever she wants, but the male heroes have to go without sex otherwise, sometimes for years. For some reason readers usually don’t pick up on John Galt’s implied adult virginity well into his 30’s until I point it out to them. Francisco d’Anconia got to bang Dagny in their late teens – the novel has some line about how they had to teach each other about sex, which shows that sexual experience is its own training. Francisco didn’t have to go to a prostitute or study PUA nonsense or see a sex therapist to prepare for sex with Dagny; they just got together organically and did it. But then Francisco has to live as an incel for the rest of the novel.

      And did hapless Eddie Willers ever get to sleep with a girl? Apparently not.

      In other words, the novel Rand published nearly 60 years ago anticipates the world of female hypergamy and the widespread sexual exclusion of men that we live in today. I can see why “Atlas Shrugged” appeals to so many nerdy guys today.

      • I would also point to the absurd part of the novel where Galt meets Dagny face to face for the first time, after she crashes her plane in Galt’s Gulch. Galt the male virgin had a secret crush on Dagny where he stalked her and sabotaged her business deals. But when he finally sees her in person, he takes charge and confidently handles the unexpected encounter.

        Does this sound even remotely plausible for a sexually inexperienced man in this kind of situation?

        • Okay, for all of us youngfags who weren’t alive when the book came out: is it worth reading? I started it and liked Rand’s prose, but it’s sooooo long and time is a limited resource.

        • I wouldn’t bother. Atlas Shrugged is out of date at this point because it fails to address the problem of women. The book talks about “looters” but does not admit that women are the primary group that is part of the “looter” class. As a result, the book only sees communist totalitarianism as a problem. It doesn’t address the problem of tradcons, for example, who are not that different from the “looters” but with slightly different rhetoric.

          Also, the ending says that John Galt and the other citizens of Galt’s Gulch will eventually reorganize the world as if the problem is a simple matter of getting rid of a cadre of “looters”. In reality, the problem is way more widespread than that. Women are a major part of that, but it’s not limited to them. This is why I like to think in terms of Pak colonies rather than Galt’s Gulch. The Pak colonists who came to Earth and later the Ringworld did not bother trying to “reorganize” the Pak homeworld. The left permanently. If you’re looking to read something, read novels and short stories by Larry Niven in his Known Space universe, particularly anything about the Pak.

        • Seeing as you mention the Pak. Comment recycling from that old threat that I only caught recently.

          The Pak are part of Niven and Pournelle’s ‘Known Space’, a defined universe in which many tales can take place. The parts detailed here are spread through multiple series of books (Known Space is biiig). If you love idea driven sci-fi then you really will love Known Space.

          I won’t get into spoilers, but I think that there’s another analogy in the books. Teela Brown might be used as an example of a ’10’ woman who wanders clueless through life…because she can. She can, because endless ‘lucky’ things happen to her (because endless manginas pay her way, take the consequences of crap decisions etc etc).

          Another one might be the Man – Kzin conflict. Maybe the clever monkeys are intended to be beta-males that overcome the alpha-warrior-Kzin via trickery(?) The series having been written by nerds after all.

          I love the books. Started reading them thirty five years ago…only just twigged the Man-Kzin thing. Shame on me.

          Teela Brown (big time spoilers) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teela_Brown

      • Contraception and careers for women have always been around though. As has abortion and educated women. I’m confused what this has to do with feminism, unless you are just talking about the double standards that we now have linked to said topics?

        • “Contraception and careers for women have always been around though. As has abortion and educated women”.

          Are you joking?

          “I’m confused what this has to do with feminism”.

          I wonder about you sometimes.

        • Ergeniz,

          Contraception: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_birth_control
          Abortion: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion
          Careers: http://www.localhistories.org/womensjobs.html
          Education: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_education

          You are, of course, able to wonder about me all you want. Or, you could always just ask what I’m talking about, and I’ll provide references for my beliefs if possible and at the very least give more of an explanation. Regarding my statement on feminism, I simply get tired of them perpetuating the delusion that “before feminism, women had nothing!” which is blatantly false. If the feminist movement had never occurred as it did, I remain confident that much of the same rights would be available to all women today, for the simple reason they were never really “gone” in the first place.

        • Cute. But you knew exactly what is meant when women didn’t have abortion, contraception and careers prior to the 19th century.

          Yes, women could abort fetuses and there were crude forms of contraception in past times but none of them were as safe, effective and widely available as technology allows today. Women have 11 or more forms of birth control last I checked. This is compounded with the laws that allow women to not only decide when she carries a pregnancy to term but also to force a man to subsidize her decision in case of said pregnancy.

          Regarding ‘careers’, no-one refers to being a washerwoman, spinning wool or being a prostitute a ‘career’. Women didn’t really get into this realm until feminism, where their jobs (a large amount of them make-work and government provided) are subsidized by men. Women’s entering of the workforce around this time in addition to other things such as Nixon taking us off the gold standard resulted in a huge blow to the US economy.

          Society will always double down on men, regardless of the situation in an effort to provide for women.

          I’ve seen you around enough on various blogs to know that you should have at least realized the connection between women, the ability to control conception/abort/engage in make-work (‘careers’) and their so-called education.

          What happened when women began to pursue “education” in the last century? A slew of draconian laws specially made to oppress men, force them to subsidize their decisions and increase the size of government. You can’t name ONE law that has been enacted by feminists, or women since the movement was originally spoken of.

          All these things are DIRECTLY involved in feminism.

          “Regarding my statement on feminism, I simply get tired of them perpetuating the delusion that “before feminism, women had nothing!” which is blatantly false. If the feminist movement had never occurred as it did, I remain confident that much of the same rights would be available to all women today, for the simple reason they were never really “gone” in the first place”.

          Of course it is. Feminism was never about equality. Women were always a spoiled, protected and provided-for class as far back as humanity can remember.

        • typo: Meant to say, “You can’t name ONE mutually beneficial law that has been enacted by feminists, or women since the movement was originally spoken of”.

        • Cute. But you knew exactly what is meant when women didn’t have abortion, contraception and careers prior to the 19th century.
          Nothing in my response was “cute”. I was simply pointing out that the history fed to us today does not accurately represent our past. There are numerous commenters who legitimately believe that 100% of women, up until the 1920s, were unable to vote…had 0 forms of contraception…never had abortions…and never worked outside the home. Obviously this is false, and a myth consistently called “truth” again and again by feminists in an attempt to bring a semblance of relevance to their ideology. That they have convinced many men and women that the female of our species were deemed no better than cattle throughout most civilization is a travesty. This is something that I try to inform people of, hence my comment.

          The only law that can come even remotely close to what you describe is the revised government definition of rape, which now includes gender neutral terms and has been updated to contain actions such as forced anal or oral. At least now we are closer to legally acknowledging male survivors of rape (be it female on male or male on male), even if our societal understanding lags unfortunately far behind. 

        • “The only law that can come even remotely close to what you describe is the revised government definition of rape, which now includes gender neutral terms and has been updated to contain actions such as forced anal or oral. At least now we are closer to legally acknowledging male survivors of rape (be it female on male or male on male), even if our societal understanding lags unfortunately far behind”.

          What? There’s VAWA, there’s child abandonment laws, domestic abuse laws, regulations on college campuses, men can be put in prison for not paying child support or alimony, the Tender Years doctrine, things like women getting vastly reduced jail sentences for crimes (or in many cases no time at all)…the list goes on.

          Its irrelevant if laws are written in gender neutral terms because in practice they only benefit females at the expense of men. Many women get away with raping and killing children, proving that society places females even above them.

          You’re right, your response wasn’t ‘cute’ it was flat out wrong at best, dishonest at worst. I would have used a different word rather than ‘cute’ but in the sense of politeness, settled for something snarky.

          The thing I don’t get about you is that I see you on various blogs, commenting and yet whenever people bring up issues you always ask questions as if you have never seen these topics before in your life. And then when you post your supposed knowledge base you are so way off the mark or missing in facts it makes me wonder if you even bother to read the posts or articles in question.

          “I was simply pointing out that the history fed to us today does not accurately represent our past. There are numerous commenters who legitimately believe that 100% of women, up until the 1920s, were unable to vote…had 0 forms of contraception…never had abortions…and never worked outside the home. Obviously this is false, and a myth consistently called “truth” again and again by feminists in an attempt to bring a semblance of relevance to their ideology. That they have convinced many men and women that the female of our species were deemed no better than cattle throughout most civilization is a travesty. This is something that I try to inform people of, hence my comment”.

          No-one on this blog disputed that or was unaware of it (I’m sure Black Pill has several posts on the so-called “oppression” of women and I could link more from others such as Angry Harry). I even agreed with you in my last post, and I don’t see where anyone else tried to argue against it.

          So, who are you “pointing this out to”? Who here needed to be “informed” of that?

        • Sorry, but I honestly think you are trolling me at this point. Never once did I say that laws like VAWA didn’t exist, that women didn’t literally get away with rape/murder, or that our society is full of double standards. That should be evident to anyone who isn’t delusional.

          As for why I ask questions, it is because I never assume what anyone’s beliefs are, plus sometimes it is good to look at the same topic from slightly different angles. There’s been times when I have thought “this person probably thinks X since they are a MGTOW/tradcon/red piller/etc”, and have been wrong. Since I take no pleasure in offending others, I’ll take the time to ask questions of commenters I’ve not yet “met”, or ask for clarification of terms/meanings. If this bothers you, I suggest you not read my comments. I do the same for commenters I dislike or are highly argumentative and makes it easier to speak to those who are open to honest communication and/or share more of my views.

        • “Trolling”. Yes, of course I am.

          A common red herring used by poor debaters to attack the other person when they’re at their whits end in a discussion.

          First you say, “The only law that can come even remotely close to what you describe is the revised government definition of rape”.

          Then after my response, you say, “Never once did I say that laws like VAWA didn’t exist, that women didn’t literally get away with rape/murder, or that our society is full of double standards. That should be evident to anyone who isn’t delusional”.

          So, you cannot even recall what you just wrote yourself? And then you become blatantly dishonest by trying to attack my character and describe me as a troll for calling you out.

          And asking questions is great. But its strange to me to ask questions about objective things, when the implication is that you should already know the information from the articles and blogs you have previously commented on.

        • “Trolling”. Yes, of course I am.
          A common red herring used by poor debaters to attack the other person when they’re at their whits end in a discussion.

          Well, you did get the second part right.
          I am indeed at my whits end trying to understand where you see any dishonesty in my comments.

          First you say, “The only law that can come even remotely close to what you describe is the revised government definition of rape”.
          Then after my response, you say, “Never once did I say that laws like VAWA didn’t exist, that women didn’t literally get away with rape/murder, or that our society is full of double standards. That should be evident to anyone who isn’t delusional”.

          This is true, but I fail to see how either of these statements contradicts the other. You asked for a law passed largely by women that benefited both sexes. I provided the single, solitary one I could think of. You then brushed it away, and starting talking about the existence of VAWA, etc which I then agreed was true, but had also never argued against or denied the existence of in the first place. So yes…it is confusing why you brought those things up and made it sound as though I’d completely discounted them when they weren’t even part of the conversation til then.

          So, you cannot even recall what you just wrote yourself? And then you become blatantly dishonest by trying to attack my character and describe me as a troll for calling you out.
          Again, there is no contradiction. I don’t see anywhere that you “called me out” as nothing I’ve said has been disingenuous.
          And please note I did not say “Ergeniz , you are a troll.” I said I thought you were trolling me, and I do. It’s not dishonest of me to say what I honestly believe, nor is it an attack on your character for me to state such. Likewise, if you said something like “Tarn, I think you’re a feminist” and truly believed that, it wouldn’t be an attack towards me or dishonest of you to say so. You’d be wrong since I’m egalitarian, but that doesn’t change the fact *you* think it’s true and serves to color your perceptions of me.

          And asking questions is great. But its strange to me to ask questions about objective things, when the implication is that you should already know the information from the articles and blogs you have previously commented on.
          That’s fine. If it’s strange to you, it’s strange to you. Not an issue of mine.

          I do not think our conversation is going to be productive at all after this point, so to give you fair warning I will not respond after this comment. There’s little reason for me to waste time typing out responses on my phone only to keep going around and around, but I wanted to let you know so you don’t have to use up your own time on a comment unless you want to. Thought it would be polite to let you know. Have a good night.

      • “In other words, the novel Rand published nearly 60 years ago anticipates the world of female hypergamy and the widespread sexual exclusion of men that we live in today. I can see why “Atlas Shrugged” appeals to so many nerdy guys today”.

        Perhaps I’m missing something.

        I don’t see anything appealing about that.

        • “Appealing” in the sense that today’s men can recognize their sexually frustrated and absurd situation in it. John Galt acts as a kind of male virgin fantasy character who finally gets to bang the hot woman of his dreams, unfortunately only in their 30’s, and after two other men broke her in, starting with his college buddy who got to bang Dagny first, well before she hit the Wall, because he had money and natural game.

          By contrast, Heinlein’s novel “Stranger in a Strange Land,” published about three years later, doesn’t really work now with its depiction of a sexual utopia for both men and women because men in the early 21st Century can see that women in the real world have more sexual freedom now than they do – and women have basically blacklisted more and more men from ever having sexual relationships with them in favor of the guys analogous to the hot “Martian” character in Heinlein’s novel.

  7. “Atlas Shrugged” shows several female characters in a bad light, notably Lillian Rearden. Rand apparently had this weird blind spot about women’s natural function, because the allegedly good characters don’t have children or show interest in starting families. If I could rewrite the novel, I would have Dagny express her desperate longing to find and marry a man of good character and bear his children, but she felt that she couldn’t do either in the corrupt society she lived in. The end of my revised version of the novel would show her married to John Galt and happily pregnant with his child.

    • Really?

      In my revised version Dagny would end up alone, bitter and consuming cat food.

      John Galt would have learned to accept himself rather than revolving his thoughts around a woman who probably didn’t even know his name.

      • Yo tamerlame fuckoff bro, people can dream

        /flicks off lights
        /sniffs, wipes eyes, imagines the welcoming bosom of a bangable substitute mother figure
        /uses tears as lube to rub masturbate in the darkness

        in all seriousness though, i don’t have a huge problems with tradcon fantasies in fiction, as long as we all know it’s fiction. advancedatheist knows it doesn’t work like this.

        Advancedatheist, your ending is a little silly, but fuck it, it’s your imaginary ending, write it as you like it, friend.

  8. Also notice in “Atlas Shrugged” that several of the villains have girlfriends, mistresses, affairs and pickups. Rand sends the signal that parasitic bad boys get the girls while the productive good boys have to go without sex and wait in the Reserves, as Black Pill pointed out.

    • Agreed, Advanced.
      It’s one of the many things that I found greatly disturbing about said novel. Then again, I read it in 10th grade and was rather unaware of how overwhelmingly true it would turn out to be.

    • The book is pretty much an exercise in her fantasies. Writers in general tend to have some bias in their work, but with women it always seems to be exacerbated and revolve around that particular subject.

      Two other series I was initially interested in was the Saga of Pliocene Exile by Julian May (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_of_Pliocene_Exile), what’s one of the defining traits of that work? Beautiful, super-powered, tall human-like aliens coming to earth and continually using for women breeding purposes. The losing side in the war eventually come up with a plan to match the other side of aliens? What’s it involve? Why, disguising themselves so they can impregnate women.

      Another was Atlan saga by Jane Gaskell. What’s it about? A heroine that constantly goes around getting lusted after by men and getting impregnated by them. In one of the books, she even gets knocked up by a Gorilla. And she has no problem with this. I kid you not.

      Women claim that men are sex-obsessed and can’t take their minds off the subject but like most accusations against men its really projection.

      • I started to look into Lois McMaster Bujold’s novels before deciding to read any of them, and one website I ran across says that on one of the fictional planets in her Miles Vorkosigan stories, girls become emancipated at the age of 13 and they can start having sex. Apparently Bujold portrays this as a good thing, but she can get away with it as a woman writing science fiction.

        If some current male science fiction writer postulated in his novels that 13 year old girls had social approval to get into sexual relationships on a equal footing with adult women, feminists would call him predictable names.

        Come to think of it, Alexei Panshin does that in “Rite of Passage,” only he published it in 1968 when traditional sexual mores had broken down and feminists had yet to formulate their new kind of sex-negative puritanism in the resulting chaos.

        • I recall two more: Margaret Atwood’s The Handmaid’s Tale which revolves around am entire group of women whose purpose is to breed, the supposed justification being there is some sort of sterility plague.

          And then “Bumped” by Megan McCafferty where society celebrates women getting knocked up constantly before the age of 18 and even public schools are encouraged to have as many pregnant women as possible.

          Simply put, women cannot revolving literature around sex, impregnation and pregnancy.

          Its clearly an obsession.

    • I was thinking about that, and I realized that Galt’s Gulch would by definition be a sausage fest. Way more women than men would be in the “parasite class” so the men leaving for Galt’s Gulch would be by definition leaving their wives and girlfriends if they had any. Galt would rapidly lose control of the place to a group of women who started a brothel and controlled all options for sex in Galt’s Gulch.

      Even if all those problems were dealt with, there is still the problem of what happens after Galt shuts down the world. Unless Galt and his crew are willing to execute large numbers of female “parasites”, their attempt to “reorganize the world” will fail. Women would just scream long enough that they’re being oppressed by Galt and his men until manginas start fighting Galt and his crew. Rand, being a woman, never wrote about this problem. There’s no way attempting to “reorganize the world” doesn’t turn the residents of Galt’s Gulch into the reserves. In fact, that may have been Galt’s plan all along so he wasn’t a hero but a pied piper.

      • You have a point about what to do with all those bitchy, entitled female survivors. Galt apparently wanted to cause a Malthusian crash in the U.S., which would tend to wipe out more men than women and their children because societies facing famine tend to starve most of their civilian men as a form of triage, unless these men enter the warrior ranks and need to eat to do their job. For example, food rationing systems run by reasonably humane governments prioritize the nutrition of pregnant women and children.

    • “Rand sends the signal that parasitic bad boys get the girls while the productive good boys have to go without sex and wait in the Reserves, as Black Pill pointed out.”

      Well of course Rand sends that signal. That’s exactly what happened to her husband during all those years she had an affair with another married man, half her age.

      • You can see the cluelessness in Rand’s and Branden’s relationship by how Rand, who had poor hygiene and bad habits, thought that her philosophy should make her sexually irresistible to Nathaniel Branden, a man about 25 years younger.

        People with common sense and ordinary life experience could see why this wouldn’t work, even without invoking the evolutionary-psychological theories which came along later. Branden’s body rebelled at the ridiculous demand that he inseminate an unhealthy postmenopausal woman, yet he felt morally and philosophically conflicted when he met a cute, fertile-looking woman in her 20’s named Patrecia, not particularly bright or philosophically minded, who wanted him to bang her. His body had no problem doing what it evolved to do with her. A regular guy would accept the situation as a stroke of good luck, but for Branden it became a weird sort of existential crisis, though in the end he followed where his penis led him.

        This goes to show that we exist as evolutionary kludges where the parts don’t always work together all that well. People naturally think about the world teleologically, despite what modern science tells us, and since ancient times they have assumed that humans must have some kind of natural function, like machines, but that we don’t have instruction manuals to tell us how to work the machine. Hence all the attempts at reverse-engineering the human condition and then writing these manuals – scriptures, philosophical treatises, self-help guides and so forth. The fact that these manuals don’t agree on important issues tells me that they make a wrong underlying assumption about human nature.

        • “You can see the cluelessness in Rand’s and Branden’s relationship by how Rand, who had poor hygiene and bad habits, thought that her philosophy should make her sexually irresistible to Nathaniel Branden, a man about 25 years younger. ”

          Yet he maintained a very, very long sexual affair with her despite having a much younger wife. Til the day he died , very recently in fact, he maintained a sort of alpha widowered love-of -my-life romantic idealization of Rand. Indeed he wrote books on the theme of romantic philosophy , all inspired by his time with Rand.

          I know she had the bad habit of smoking, which was common for both men and women back then, but what’s this poor hygiene? Did she not bathe?

  9. I can just imagine a script doctor trying to fix a screenplay of “Atlas Shrugged” to get it to make sense as a movie. You can’t just have the heroes hide out in Galt’s Reserves for a few months while the surrounding society collapses, then show them going back to work like nothing catastrophic has happened. You would have to film the ending like a Mad Max movie or a zombie apocalypse to show an outcome that looks plausible.

  10. Libertarians are greedy, materialistic scammers like this guy who’s stupid ad has been popping up all over youtube. Surprise!!! Surprise!!! He has history with Real Social Dynamics and the Syndicate. Whoda thunk?

  11. For some reason no one wants to bring up the real issue regarding feminism versus our patriarchal past:

    We wouldn’t have “gotten here” if our ancestors had made huge, fundamental mistakes which compromised the odds of surviving in a harsh and dangerous world. When it comes to patriarchy, did that make one of those allegedly horrible mistakes that we have only recently seen thanks to modern feminism?

    Given the track record, patriarchy looks really successful as a survival strategy, while we don’t have enough of a baseline of experience with the feminist Opposite World alternative to show that it can succeed as well over the long run. I suspect feminism has turned into an unsustainable bubble, and it will collapse over the next few decades as the descendants of traditional women like Michelle Duggar step over the feminist women’s ashes and become the normal women with sensible views about their station in life in a restored patriarchal society.

    • I think the Duggars are an example why patriarchy has not lasted . Patriarchal structures create an atmosphere of don’t ask, don’t tell , and pederasty, pedophilia, clandestine sex , it all breeds under this cloak. Feminism may have taken things to far in some regards, but why expect feminism to be perfect when patriarchy isn’t it? There is no “ism” or “archy” or any system that is 100% full proof. Mistakes will be made as long as we are human and fallible, which we all are. But Feminism sought to address the faults of Patriarchy. Of course there need to be something to address the faults of feminism too.

      I think we humans will keep growing, evolving and tweaking our isms and schisms until we finally reach some sort of healthy balance. That balance will not be achieved in our lifetimes. It also won’t be perfect. But it will be better than anything that has gone before it.

  12. “advancedatheist says:
    October 25, 2015 at 8:53 pm
    Yeah, Rand supported the main dysfunctions of feminism:

    Abortion

    Contraception

    Women’s sexual freedom

    Premarital sex, extramarital affairs and open marriages

    College education and careers for women”

    Okay this shows me you are a tradcon, and the fact you have been brainwashed by feminists.

    Loads of none feminists support Abortions, I support abortions, it is a necessary evil. I suppose you want the planet overpopulated and single mother trash to shit out more kids?

    You are against contraception? Yet you do not like abortion? What?

    You are against women’s sexual freedom? Why because they do not choose to sleep with you? You are scared that any future wife you have will cheat? Women always had sexual freedom, they just where not protected from the consequences of it.

    What is wrong with premarital sex? You think sex is something that should only be linked to a slavery contract called marriage? You want to artificially inflate the value of female sex.

    WOmen have been allowed college education before feminism took off, and they had access to many careers, women avoid them due to females being risk adverse.

    You are a tradcon women worshipper in denial, you want to support a parasite, you have no self regard.

    • Bizarre, isn’t it? How also are the porn film and prostitution industries supposed to thrive without contraceptions, condoms and abortion?

        • Yeah so how to prevent STD’s which can render people sick and infertile for the rest of their lives?

      • How to prevent them, he asks. They chose that profession and made their bed (literally). They can lie in it and deal with the consequences it entails.

        • “How to prevent them, he asks. They chose that profession and made their bed (literally). They can lie in it and deal with the consequences it entails.”

          Dealing with them means using contraception and condoms, obviously. And surely you’re not suggesting clients should sleep with prostitutes without condoms either, are you?!?!?!

        • “Dealing with them means using contraception and condoms, obviously”.

          So if you know the solution, why did you ask the question?

          “And surely you’re not suggesting clients should sleep with prostitutes without condoms either, are you?!?!?!”

          That’s an absurd leap in logic.

    • It always seemed to me that they wanted to be enslaved to a woman in the first place. They won’t admit it – its hidden under language of dominance and controlling a household but yet when they experience the divorce system they go right into another marriage.

      They cannot fathom an existence where they are not providing for and serving a woman.

      Bill Price who ran the spearhead is one recent example. I’ve also heard someone call them “breeders”. They cannot seem to function by themselves and are desperate to be in a relationship, no matter how horrible current or past experiences.

        • I feel if a man cannot live alone and accept himself there is something fundamentally wrong with him.

          This also seems to leak over into relationships with other people. If you can’t be comfortable with yourself, how are you supposed to handle living with and taking responsibility for others?

        • “I feel if a man cannot live alone and accept himself there is something fundamentally wrong with him. ”

          Right. That’s the stage when as a young adult you moved out of your parents home, get your own crib, and stand on your own two feet.

          Are the guys you’re talking about going from mom’s basement to girlfriends apartment?

      • It always seemed to me that they wanted to be enslaved to a woman in the first place.

        Yep. What they really want to be is a chauffeur. Remember that a chauffeur is in front but is not in charge.

      • It makes perfect sense. Tradcons are fine with throwing men under the bus, so long as they find a woman to lord it over, but tradcons end up being slaves to women, I think it is a well deserved fate.

        • No, I was referring to Tai Lopez’s comment : “Right. That’s the stage when as a young adult you moved out of your parents home, get your own crib, and stand on your own two feet.

          Are the guys you’re talking about going from mom’s basement to girlfriends apartment”?

          The way the comments is set up makes it confusing to create responses at times.

  13. My apologies to Black Pill and all the rest of you for bringing that rather unpleasant fellow here, I merely wished to shoe Tarnished some of what’s out there.

    • Is that Dr Nerdlove writing a sock blog pretending to be a call girl?

      The excuses for bad female behaviour, the creep shaming and invalidation all seem the same! lolol

      • Yes, she also said men that were upset at circumcision were basically whining and that the fact that women in the US prefer circumcised penises makes it a non-issue.

        That alone showed me that her thought process revolves around what benefits women is paramount.

        While I support prostitution, its reading stuff like that makes me decide not to use it personally because it still amounts to giving women power over you and regarding their sexuality as superior to yours (as you are paying for it).

        • “While I support prostitution, its reading stuff like that makes me decide not to use it personally because it still amounts to giving women power over you and regarding their sexuality as superior to yours (as you are paying for it).”

          yes, by “paying for it” you are tacitly saying your sexuality is gross and worthless and should only be tolerated with cold, hard cash…

          that’s where creepy crawly Advocatus Diaboli goes wrong…

        • Question for you, Stoner…
          If a prostitute doesn’t take in money for the sexual services she is providing, how can she make a living otherwise? The only thing I could think of would be that prostitutes only be part-time, unpaid sex workers, and have another part-time job to pay for her actual expenses like food, rent, gas, clothing, education, etc. But it’s difficult if not impossible to live on only 20 hours a week, unless she has a really well paying part-time job to make up for it.

          I’m just wondering what your thoughts are on how to make prostitution good for everyone involved.

        • jesus fucking christ tarnished, have you ever paid for sex????

          Somehow, you don’t think it’s unfair that I get rid of my few valuable posessions to hand over cash to some broad who would literally not give me the time of day otherwise…

          Being an egalitarian and then expecting men to pay for sex because they are groddy is not egalitarian. And feminists go on and on forever about how much they enjoy sex and it is only creepy men who can’t get sex.

          Yes a woman has the right to charge for sexual services. However, I have the right to feel she is trying to exploit my loneliness. I would compare it to payday loans.

          And if you want to talk about “workers rights” well, I’ve never had employer paid health insurance. I’ve never been able to take four months off from work to travel through Europe because I am paid so well.

          You keep on trying to act like you sympathize with low status men but you don’t get it at all and frankly it is condescending…

          As I’ve said before, I think prostitution should be legal because it isn’t the government’s place to tell people what to do but I still think it is exploitation on an interpersonal level…

        • jesus fucking christ tarnished, have you ever paid for sex????
          No, I’ve not. You know I can’t yet handle casual sex, regardless of paying for it or not.

          Somehow, you don’t think it’s unfair that I get rid of my few valuable posessions to hand over cash to some broad who would literally not give me the time of day otherwise…
          No, I think that’s very unfair Stoner, and do not think anyone should have to pay to get sex, or have to sell possessions just to get the money to.

          Being an egalitarian and then expecting men to pay for sex because they are groddy is not egalitarian. And feminists go on and on forever about how much they enjoy sex and it is only creepy men who can’t get sex.
          I expect NOBODY to pay for sex, Stoner. Very, very few people are actually “groddy”, and usually that is not their fault, but rather the fault of their unfortunate situation/circumstances. Feminists are wrong. Obviously. And misuse the term “creepy” to the point it means almost nothing nowadays.

          Yes a woman has the right to charge for sexual services. However, I have the right to feel she is trying to exploit my loneliness. I would compare it to payday loans.
          Absolutely. Never said you didn’t or shouldn’t. I was just wondering what could be done to make prostitution both a valid job choice for women who pursue it *and* not mean that men have to pay. Perhaps something like what Tai said about sex therapists, or maybe a government funded program. I honestly don’t have any ideas about how to make it more fair all around for both worker and client, and thus was asking if you had any thoughts. I wouldn’t have asked if I’d known it would be this upsetting.

          And if you want to talk about “workers rights” well, I’ve never had employer paid health insurance. I’ve never been able to take four months off from work to travel through Europe because I am paid so well.
          Me neither. I haven’t ever had a job that offers insurance, and I haven’t had health insurance for the last 9 years. Anytime I go to the doctor or dentist, I have to save up and pay out of pocket. Thank goodness I’ve never needed surgery or medications. Wish I could afford to take off an entire two weeks, much less a single month. Or travel, for that matter. It takes me months of putting away $25 a week just to go to Gencon in Indianapolis. Europe? Yeah, right.

          You keep on trying to act like you sympathize with low status men but you don’t get it at all and frankly it is condescending…
          I don’t think of any men (other than murderers, thieves, rapists, druglords, etc) as “low status”. You already know that from our numerous talks on both your blog and mine. We’ve been subscribed to each other for what? Over 2 years, at the very least. We’ve had many great conversations, and I’ve learned a lot from you. If you had at any previous time thought that I was being condescending, I really wish you’d have told me so I could understand where I was going wrong with my wording. I don’t want to hurt you or anyone else by saying things wrong!

          As I’ve said before, I think prostitution should be legal because it isn’t the government’s place to tell people what to do but I still think it is exploitation on an interpersonal level…
          Right. We’ve had that particular discussion before, and you’ve brought it up other places as well. What I was trying to now discuss was how to make it non-exploitive to men. I am confused why my question was read as a pro-exploitation stance or anything against “low status” men, when that was the opposite of my intent. I do apologize for any miswording on my part, and am sorry that my question hurt you. I think of you as an online friend, and would never do so on purpose. It’s obvious I did though…so, again. I’m sorry.

        • you don’t have to apologize, just seemed like we crossed this path before on your blog and on my blog. Specifically when someone tried to defend how futrelle misrepresented what I said about prostitution. And men being expected to “pay for it” and “die in wars” are the two elephants in the room. That’s actually why I am far less upset with Rad Fem’s such as Gail Dines than with so-called liberal feminists and M(h)RA’s. Gail Dines is merely delusional but lib feminists like Schwyzer and M(h)RA’s like Judgy Bitch are hypocrites. There won’t be “equality” between man and women-that’s why I am done with the term “egalitarian.”

        • Well, I’m still going to offer my apology, because I hurt you. Intentional or not, I have to own that. If I may, was there a specific word or phrase I used that sounded bad or condescending? It’d be great to know, because it really seems like my words have been taken in a completely wrong way as of late. Like things that don’t exist are being read into them, and I want to be clear so as to stop it from happening again.

          I think the one who was defending Futrelle was Broad blogs.

          And yeah, we did cover some aspects of prostitution like you said, but never a *solution* to the payment part. That’s what I was asking about…if there exists any way for sex workers to have said jobs for men who want to make use of the service, still be able to have the necessities of life, and make it non-exploitive to the client.

          It’s possible the only answer is sexbots, now that I’m thinking about it. But then we’d still just see the wealthy having the best toys and the lower-middle class left behind again.

        • I already found my answer-that was bartending at a sex club-but it was pretty seedy. and I thought it was a dude defending futrelle, it was awhile back though.

        • Yup. Trying to remember what post that even was. Actually, could it have been on GNL’s blog? I recall a similar conversation there.

          Well, at least that’s an answer, though not necessarily a preferred one…

        • “I’m just wondering what your thoughts are on how to make prostitution good for everyone involved.”

          Go back to the “sex surrogate” idea of the 1960s that was outlawed because it was seen as just another form of prostitution. The huge difference was that these were actually professional sex therapists, who, as part of the therapy, were actually allowed to have sex with their patients/clients if it was deemed necessary for their healing.

          I think if this industry were brought back and expanded upon we’d have a lot more healthier society. And it would bring sex work out of the shadows into the mainstream in a safe, healthy, socially acceptable way.

        • “Yes, she also said men that were upset at circumcision were basically whining and that the fact that women in the US prefer circumcised penises makes it a non-issue. ”

          The only reason *some* women in the US might prefer it is for aesthetic reasons. Otherwise natural uncut penises provide mroe pleasure to the woman , and of course to the man . The vast, vast majority of non-Jewish and non-Muslim men in the world are uncut. The US is the only country where up until recently this wasn’t the case.

        • The huge difference was that these were actually professional sex therapists, who, as part of the therapy, were actually allowed to have sex with their patients/clients if it was deemed necessary for their healing.

          That is slightly better, but then the client/patient is still paying large sums of money for sex. Heck, regular therapy is expensive. I imagine this is no different. Yes, sex work should come out of the shadows, but how can it become cheaper/more accessible to a greater number of men? That’s what I’m getting at…but maybe there is no answer.

        • “I think prostitution should be legal because it isn’t the government’s place to tell people what to do but I still think it is exploitation on an interpersonal level…”

          Sounds fine to me. I agree.

          If you have the cash to spare and paid for sex gets you what you want…go for it. Personally, I would find that handing over cash means the resulting sex would just feel like a deluxe wank. I know some men can disregard the money aspects…I cannot.

          Sadly, I’m not a big believer in the existence of sex from a woman without resources being handed over. Been married… 😉

        • Sadly, I’m not a big believer in the existence of sex from a woman without resources being handed over. Been married…
          But, much like the guy who got turned into a newt, you got better. 😉

        • Tarn, 20 years ago things were shite, but not nearly as toxic as now. I was lucky in that respect, divorcing then with no kids, very short marriage, UK. Still very painful. I cannot imagine how bad it would have been with vawa based false dv accusations, false child related accusations, just to grease the wheels for a malignant woman you’d once loved. But who changed.

          Didn’t even have a need to get married. Just blue-pill “it’s just what you do”. What a twat.

        • Tarn, 20 years ago things were shite, but not nearly as toxic as now. I was lucky in that respect, divorcing then with no kids, very short marriage, UK.
          No kidding, Spawny. Not that I’m glad you’re divorced, but it could’ve been so much worse.

          Still very painful. I cannot imagine how bad it would have been with vawa based false dv accusations, false child related accusations, just to grease the wheels for a malignant woman you’d once loved. But who changed.
          It sounds like that is the most painful cut. That love is either so fickle as to go out like a candle flame, or so fragile as to break easily. You still have my deepest sympathies.

          Didn’t even have a need to get married. Just blue-pill “it’s just what you do”.
          I just chuckle when told this now. Used to care what people, even random strangers, thought about my singlehood. Now? Meh. It’s *my* life. They have their own.

          What a twat.
          No. You made a poor choice, but you’re hardly a twat, my dear friend.

        • Tarn, what is Gencon?

          Stoner, the vast majority of prostitutes probably don’t self-identify as “feminists” or “egalitarians”. They are trying to make money to pay their bills and often the bills of their children. Unfortuntley some are doing it to pay for their drug habit. Some even auctioned off their virginity on line to pay for college. Others are trafficked, forced into from childhood, so many reasons. They don’t owe anyone free sex. If you think they’re exploiters and scammers then don’t patronize them. Nobody’s forcing you.

        • Tai,
          Gencon is a 4 day gaming convention in Indiana, usually late July or early August. It’s the one vacation I take a year, so I save up for it starting in December/January. Thousands of gamers, first peek at new boardgames, RPGs, and TCGs, novel or comic book signings/panels by sci-fi or fantasy authors, lots of cosplay/LARPing, geeky clothing stalls, and some videogames. It’s like Mecca for nerds, geeks, and people who just like playing games. Quite enjoyable. I highly recommend.

        • “The only reason *some* women in the US might prefer it is for aesthetic reasons. Otherwise natural uncut penises provide mroe pleasure to the woman , and of course to the man . The vast, vast majority of non-Jewish and non-Muslim men in the world are uncut. The US is the only country where up until recently this wasn’t the case”.

          I could care less about women’s preferences. My problem is that their acceptance and support of the practice directly goes against men’s choice over their own body. A man that expresses regret and anger at the procedure is too immature to get over the past or discontented at a non-issue.

          A woman who’s had a vaginal cutting procedure is treated like a victim of the holocaust.

          In the end, its society placing women’s desires over men’s agency. In this case, their own bodies.

          “yes, by “paying for it” you are tacitly saying your sexuality is gross and worthless and should only be tolerated with cold, hard cash…”

          I grew up being mocked and rejected by women. Call me bitter, but I won’t part with my money for the “privilege” of seeking sexual services from these creatures.

          This line of thinking is pervasive across society as a whole where women are not only considered to have more valuable sexuality but men are expected to make up for this discrepancy by paying them and serving them.

          “You keep on trying to act like you sympathize with low status men but you don’t get it at all and frankly it is condescending…”

          I felt the same vibe. There’s something about your posts where she never seemed to grasp a lot of the concepts discussed.

          You claim to have a man’s/masculine mind. Your writing style has never made me think you were a man. The thoughts you express have never made me think you were a man. The questions you ask mirror those by other women made on various blogs – that of a person who’s on the outside looking in. In fact, the very response you made to Stoner constantly considering his feelings and offering up apologies is distinctly feminine.

          No offense intended Tarnished, its just an observation I’ve had about you for awhile. But of course, this will come off as me being an asshole and therefore me “trolling” you.

        • I felt the same vibe. There’s something about your posts where she never seemed to grasp a lot of the concepts discussed.
          You would very much dislike the blog I am at 90% of the time, then. There is frequent rehashing of issues, and constant references to topics covered previously. I suppose some of that mindset has carried over into the way I write on other blogs. If someone directly states that it bothers them, I shall police myself in an attempt to make my comments less so.

          You claim to have a man’s/masculine mind. Your writing style has never made me think you were a man. The thoughts you express have never made me think you were a man.
          Ok. And? Others have said differently. I had commenters on my blog who thought I was a guy masquerading as a female to obtain more views, and over on M3’s blog there was a commenter who could not understand why I did not speak as other women did. It is not up to me whether you see a masculine mind in my words or not. Some do, some don’t.

          The questions you ask mirror those by other women made on various blogs – that of a person who’s on the outside looking in.
          That would be because I am, to a large extent. People cannot see your brain…they see your body. My body is that of a 5’7″ 31 year old, well endowed, white, blonde, blue-eyed woman. A random stranger’s immediate perceptions of me are based solely off of this, for better or for worse. Unless I had hormone therapy and surgery, I could not pass for male anymore like I did in middle school. So yes, for a lot of this I am on the outside looking in.

          In fact, the very response you made to Stoner constantly considering his feelings and offering up apologies is distinctly feminine.
          So, in other words, I’m not “alpha” enough for you, because I care about my friends and acquaintances. And here I was led to believe that a lack of consideration or even acknowledgement for men’s feelings is a huge part of the decline in male – female relations. I’d also thought that admitting a screw up, taking responsibility for the consequences of one’s actions, and working to make amends to the wronged party is a distinctly masculine trait. Apparently this is not so?

          I never said you were an asshole, only that it seemed you were trolling me, for reasons I’ve stated above.

        • She is clear anti male scum, could you imagine a man who says FGM is not a issue, because it makes the pussy feel nicer.

          It’s very telling that such women are very much in favor of laws regarding female bodily autonomy, yet care nothing about ensuring men have the same. That, and the illogical insistence that there’s either bo such thing as MGM, or that it’s somehow different than the routine unnecessary circumcisions forced on infant males, especially in this country. That it has not been outlawed as child abuse yet is revolting.

        • “So, in other words, I’m not “alpha” enough for you”

          No idea what the hell that even is. All I’m saying, is your posts are extremely emotional and you tend to take things much more severely, as women generally tend to do. And then you focus on that as a point in your responses. Again, your last response proves that.

        • Tarn, glad to hear about Gencon. For a minute there I thought it was short for Gendercon. You do sound as if you’re falling for the standard LGBTQ propaganda that is shoved down our throats these days. Be careful.

          “She is clear anti male scum, could you imagine a man who says FGM is not a issue, because it makes the pussy feel nicer.”

          – Actually uncut penises feel better for both women and men.

          “It’s very telling that such women are very much in favor of laws regarding female bodily autonomy, yet care nothing about ensuring men have the same. ”

          – She’s the first woman I’ve come across espousing such ideas. Most of the anti-circ activists are actually moms.

        • You do sound as if you’re falling for the standard LGBTQ propaganda that is shoved down our throats these days. Be careful.

          No worries there. I’m not “falling” for anything. Just have my own beliefs based on personal experiences and preferences.

        • Ergeniz, “I could care less about women’s preferences. My problem is that their acceptance and support of the practice directly goes against men’s choice over their own body.”

          Those women are Jews and Muslims. Jewish/Muslim moms AND dads support it because their religion tells them too.

        • “Those women are Jews and Muslims. Jewish/Muslim moms AND dads support it because their religion tells them too”.

          My mother was not Jewish, Muslim; nor was my father. They were not even married.

          Yet, I was circumcised. And many other children of parents that do not subscribe to these religions.

          Try again.

        • “Try again”

          Don’t have to. You’re black. African Americans are the last group of non-Jew/non-Muslims to hold on to this “practice”.

          The vast majority of white American males are not circumcised.

        • “African Americans are the last group of non-Jew/non-Muslims to hold on to this “practice””.

          Its the other way around. Most blacks tend to not be circumcised.

          “The vast majority of white American males are not circumcised”.

          In Europe, yes.

  14. I do not trust advancedatheist in the slightest, this guy is going to throw men under the bus as soon as he can get a girl.

    The red flag is the fact he is only complaining about things that give women more sexual freedom, and doesn’t seem to care about the rights of men.

    Who gives a fuck if a woman sluts about? Who cares if a woman can get abortions, use contraceptives, I am more concerned with creep shaming, and the legal risks men face.

  15. One of the biggest surprises I got when waking up to gynocentrism was to come across people that Would NOT Ever Blame Women or a Woman for ANYTHING. I have to wonder at the sanity of such people. Something is deeply broken way down in their brain. Possibly the same thing that’s broken in RadFems.

    • Or give a woman just about anything in their power to give (money, jewelry, food, vacations, clothing, a pass on a speeding ticket, etc) simply because she is a woman. Done nothing to deserve any of it…just exist, apparently.

      • From my very early days as a teenager I always found it weird to give women money, I felt like I was just throwing it away for nothing in return. It wasn’t later that I completed my understanding of gender dynamics. But something was off from the start, for sure.

        • Greatshebang,
          It’s very weird on the other side of the dynamic as well. Least for me. Random men tend to offer money for nearly any reason…For example, a few months ago I was getting 2 slices of pizza for lunch, and didn’t realize the cost of a slice had gone from $2 to $2.65 since I’d last been there. As I only brought a $5, I couldn’t afford it with tax ($5.73). The man behind me didn’t offer to spot me the .73…he offered to buy the whole thing! I politely declined his generosity since I wouldn’t be able to repay him, and only got the 1 slice, but yeah…so frickin strange. The weirdest part was that he seemed to do it very begrudgingly. His body language and manner of speaking was less of a “let me help you” and more of a “crap, another mess to clean up”. He was also surprised that I declined. Perhaps the females in his life just automatically think he should pay for their mistakes?

        • The typical woman seems to have no memory of these events … as in, she doesn’t keep a tally of when she’s been given loans or gifts and whether she needs to repay anything. This is one of the main reasons (the lack of memory) that women are said to be amoral and unconscious.

          On the other hand, women are very insecure about their social standing and superficial femininity. They are aware at some level that it gives them a bunch of leverage, but they rarely connect the dots on anything based on direct observation and reading about other people observing the exact same thing.

        • The typical woman seems to have no memory of these events … as in, she doesn’t keep a tally of when she’s been given loans or gifts and whether she needs to repay anything.
          I very much dislike being in anyone’s debt, and will avoid it whenever possible, which is the vast majority of the time. If it is not, then they get repaid (usually money for money, labor for labor) ASAP. When I lend others money or a helping hand, it is of no concern to me how long it takes to pay back, and if it’s something I’ll not miss or if it’s a good deed for a stranger, it simply gets mentally written off.

          This is one of the main reasons (the lack of memory) that women are said to be amoral and unconscious.
          Completely understandable. Though it is likely to be less an actual lack of memory, and more of a ploy to not be held responsible (which is all a larger part of entitlement).

          On the other hand, women are very insecure about their social standing and superficial femininity.
          Could you give more clarification on what you mean by superficial femininity? I’d like to make sure of what you’re referring to before commenting on it.

        • “…more of a ploy”

          You’re giving women too much credit.

          “…superficial femininity?”

          Femininity generally refers to superficial fashions, makeup, youthful beauty, haircuts, and frolicking behavior. This is the superficial aspect of femininity which is even more superficial than the biological function of reproduction in women. The superficial aspect is an appeal to the fantasy that we have of ideals about women.

        • You’re giving women too much credit.
          You think the majority of manipulations are not deliberate? There have been a fair number that I’ve personally known who knowingly flutter their lashes and act the distressed damsel to obtain currency or physical assistance. Perhaps you are correct that not all do this consciously, but rest assured that some do.

          Femininity generally refers to superficial fashions, makeup, youthful beauty, haircuts, and frolicking behavior.
          Ah, okay. I thought this is what you were talking about. Thank you for clarifying.

          This is the superficial aspect of femininity which is even more superficial than the biological function of reproduction in women. The superficial aspect is an appeal to the fantasy that we have of ideals about women.
          And hence the reason that it is good for men to learn that this is only an ideal, and not be led astray by such superficiality. It is good for males to be taught that women do not deserve pedestalization.

          Question: what, if anything, do you think is a non-superficial aspect of femininity?

        • As far as deliberate manipulation goes, yes it is “deliberate” in the narrow sense that a woman has to actually ask, or get up out of bed, or get dressed. My point is the evidence points that it is an instinct. Women only have a vague sense on how to pull it off. They just try stuff. It’s because it is so random that it can work to manipulate men (and other women), who otherwise could spot a pattern and then the gig would be up.

          “What is non-superficial aspect of femininity”

          Examples:
          Childbirth
          Infant-rearing
          The will to unconsciousness (example: yelling at her partner, constant nagging.)

        • You explained that part about superficial vs non wonderfully. Thank you. Are there any correlating points regarding men, in your view?

          As for it being conscious vs instinct…hmm. It still seems that for a minority of women the instinct becomes more deliberate, but that could very well be due to them finding what works and using it consistently, while discarding the actions that work on fewer men and women. I don’t think it’s nearly as looks related as Tai does, rather it is probably easier for more attractive women to take advantage of offers but it also has to do with using the instincts you speak of to get those offers in the first place. So there’s a definite learning curve somewhere…

        • As someone with strong aspects of both biological sexes, you seem well acquainted with the fact that femininity and masculinity can appear in both sexes. This is largely ignored by most people, although is quite well known to scientists.

          So too both men and women can have conscious and unconscious behaviors. Women can be sharp, perceptive, and learn using trial and error or consciousness, but it is their largely unconscious behaviors that appeal and fascinate those of the male sex.

          Thus men who engage in unconscious femininity will hang out drinking all weekend on a beach with a woman in their arm and just chill and groove. Women will hardly ever hang out with men who will refuse to engage in such unconscious activities. In that sense men are giving into their unconscious to be with women, who largely indulge themselves in their unconsciousness.

          As far as Tai’s “point”, we would be a different species if modest and less attractive women didn’t also get male resources in large chunks throughout history. As such, I don’t think there is a “point” there worth mentioning.

          From a scientific perspective none of this is right or wrong, it is amoral and instinctual. But if we do want to point to what is philosophically right, we must use logic and consciousness.

        • From a scientific perspective none of this is right or wrong, it is amoral and instinctual. But if we do want to point to what is philosophically right, we must use logic and consciousness.

          This is the prime point to take away from this discussion. We do all have instincts and unconscious behaviors… be they male, female, or yes overlapping…but they must be governed by our reason and logic. Else we see rampant solipsism, entitlement, and a lack of empathy, along with the other attributes of Spawny’s comment.

        • Examples:
          Childbirth
          Infant-rearing

          It’s telling that no one can come up with an answer to the question, “What is non-superficial aspect of femininity?”, that does not have to do with giving birth to children.

        • Aside from da kidz, most of what I listed would be expected of a male friend (panties not included). Not a great advert for how women are perceived. I married a gurly-gurl so maybe I’m a little jaded. Wanting a guy to marry is demanding an insane level of trust, that trust seems to be in short supply around here. Rightly so.

        • ” Question: what, if anything, do you think is a non-superficial aspect of femininity?”

          Raising kids had with their fully consenting bio dad.A man wanting kids has no other options than teaming up with a woman

          Having their man’s back in all situations where he’s doing the right thing (if in doubt, back him).

          Loyalty to the team. Put the hypergamy away once you’ve chosen your man. Solipsism has no place in the relationship either.

          Wearing grown up panties at all times outside of the bedroom. Sane, balanced and objective.

          Not asking for much, is it… bwahaha

        • “The typical woman….”

          Don’t know whih country you’re in but in the US the “typical woman” is not good looking. She’s obese, average looking at best, but mostly below average looking, meaning below “OK-looking”. Basically most are out of shape, not ok looking, unattractive. They are not getting free stuff at every turn. Those who do, are above average looking.

        • I’ve lived in several countries. My observations are also supplemented by clear documentation from around the world. I deal directly with below average women all the time. They have a lot paid for by their husbands and family and get help in lieu of cash.
          You’ve created the strawman, “..getting free stuff at every turn.”

  16. “Many black men are in jail, dead, baby-daddies or on the downlow between the critical ages of 25-34 says my black ex-girlfriend. That’s why she chose to expand her horizons and “swirl” as youtube puts it.”

    So you are saying black women have destroyed black men?

  17. “Stoner, the vast majority of prostitutes probably don’t self-identify as “feminists” or “egalitarians”. They are trying to make money to pay their bills and often the bills of their children. Unfortuntley some are doing it to pay for their drug habit. Some even auctioned off their virginity on line to pay for college. Others are trafficked, forced into from childhood, so many reasons. They don’t owe anyone free sex. If you think they’re exploiters and scammers then don’t patronize them. Nobody’s forcing you.”

    dude, you make wild assertions….

    first I said, yup it should be legal…

    then I said it’s exploitative….

    besides I couldn’t get laid in a whorehouse with a hand full of fifties anyways so go back to the manuresphere and tell jack donovan and matt forney how alpha you are…

    that’s the presumption you assholes always make…

    that I’m not a real man because I can’t get laid without “game.”

    that I should pay for sex because my sexuality is inherently worthless…

    that I have money because I am “privielged.”

    well Fuck You…

    You sound like a male feminist too me so please have an “accident” with a 12 gauge…

  18. “Tai Lopez says:
    October 28, 2015 at 9:38 pm
    “The greatest source of police brutality towards black men is black women.”

    I don’t know about that BP. Look at the stats.”

    I predict that this woman or dude will reveal himself to be an entryist.

    This person is disingenuously pointing to stats to confuse the issue. Single motherhood is violence against kids, child support enforcement is proxy violence against men, domestic violence policing is proxy violence against men. Even violent black on black violence comes from black single mothers beating and neglecting their kids. Also black women select for the violent bad boy thug, this encourages even more violence.

  19. “Tai Lopez says:
    October 31, 2015 at 5:04 pm
    Tarn, glad to hear about Gencon. For a minute there I thought it was short for Gendercon. You do sound as if you’re falling for the standard LGBTQ propaganda that is shoved down our throats these days. Be careful.

    “She is clear anti male scum, could you imagine a man who says FGM is not a issue, because it makes the pussy feel nicer.”

    – Actually uncut penises feel better for both women and men.

    “It’s very telling that such women are very much in favor of laws regarding female bodily autonomy, yet care nothing about ensuring men have the same. ”

    – She’s the first woman I’ve come across espousing such ideas. Most of the anti-circ activists are actually moms.”

    Black Pill, I would consider banning this weasel, he advocates cutting the dicks of baby boys.

  20. You can make a parallel of the degradation of the Libertarian movement with the manosphere. Just as you often articulated that the manosphere which originally had a limited and honorable intentions of fighting feminism, divorce industrial complex etc has been taken over all sorts of kooks, racists and snake oil peddlers and has become inevitably another arm of feminism.

    Similarly Libertarians out of desperation to bloat their numbers let then almost exactly the same type of crackpots who are not interested in free market economics or limited government but neo confederate,anti semites, neo nazis ,911 truthers and other sorts of crackpots whose God is Ron Paul and whose prophet/son is Alex Jones.

    So it is not surprising libertarians have diverted from their vision and mission.

  21. Tai Lopez says:
    October 29, 2015 at 5:38 pm
    And just as I don’t buy into negative stereotypes about black men, similarly I don’t buy into negative stereotypes about black women.

    Tai Lopez says:
    October 29, 2015 at 6:48 pm
    And… “The Pew Research Center reports that there are only 51 employed, never-married young black men between the ages of 25 and 34 for every 100 black women in the same boat.”

    “SO you do not buy into the facts It is black woken kicking fathers away abuse and neglecting their own children.

    You are not comparing like to to like, lots of women are unemployed by choice, since they can leech off a man due to gender roles that favour women.”

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