44 comments on “There Is Nothing About The MGTOW Manifesto That Isn’t A Fraud

  1. That “manifesto” is full of libertarian hogwash. I prefer this one:

    Do not marry.
    Do not cohabitate.
    Do not impregnate.

    Job done. All the bits that are important, and none of the bits that aren’t. You want to ghost? Fine. You want to be a player? Also fine. You want to fit yourself with a ball-and-chain and declare yourself to be free? You can go ahead and do that, if you like, but calling yourself an MGHOW is like me calling myself an Eskimo. It’s just not what the word means.

    • Well said Paul! Only thing is I would personally arrange the list in order of priority:

      1. Do not impregnate.
      2. Do not marry.
      3. Do not cohabitate.

      If you impregnate then, then you are stuck, married or not. (Plus, I am 100% childfree and hold antinatalist views.) If you are married (without kids), you can “easily” divorce, well, maybe not so easily, but much easier without kids! And if you happen to live with a woman, unmarried, but have no kids with her, one of you could leave any time. But yes, avoid all three!

      [Or did you intend the items to be commutative? Perhaps you assign an equal priority to all three.]

      Also, I gather that you have no Inuit ancestry? 😉

      But seriously, nothing irks me more than married men who call themselves MGTOW/MGHOW. That is no different than meat-eaters who call themselves vegetarians.

      • I kinda like the way my list flows, lyrically speaking. More clunkilly, it would be “don’t marry one of ’em, or for that matter even live with one of ’em without marrying, and if you do then for the love of God don’t knock one up”.

        No Innuit ancestry as far as I know. I’m Australian with roots in Scotland and Italy.

  2. here is the discussion that should happen sooner rather than later…

    http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft5h4nb372&chunk.id=d0e823&toc.id=d0e823&brand=ucpress

    I believe most manurespherians are pedaling traditionalism under the guise of libertarianism…

    I knew a few things were off- “men” like Bernie Chapin/Aaron Clarey constantly whine about big gov’t ™ –but they haven’t said shit about the military industrial complex…

    Chapin complains about O’Bummer Care and granted it is far from perfect, but what has he said about the draft and selective service. Clarey actually tells young men to join the military-but military, that looks like Big Gov to me. There sure are problems with O’Bummer care, but why not expand medicaid to everyone, then if someone wants other coverage they can get it through an employer or buy it. People should not be fined because they don’t buy healthcare on the exchanges. The only other front where people are forced to buy a consumer product is car insurance. However, some people may do fine w/o a car especially if they are in a city like NY or San Fran…

    Of course Chapin/Clarey won’t say anything about big gov military because soldiers are “manly tough guys.” Though I don’t suppose following orders you disagree with is “alpha.” I’ve seen them described as Regan era Republicans. Isn’t being drafted for a war you disagree with both totalitarianism and collectivism rather than freedom for the individual? Why don’t they speak out against this? Seems like their definition of “masculinity” comes from jacking off one too many times to a John Wayne movie…

    In fact Chapin has said that one thing all MGTOW’s should be against is Obamacare. (Of course he is speaking from a US centric view, I will continue on in that mold.) I would actually say one thing they should be against is Selective Service or any system that could lead to the draft. If a so called MGTOW is rightly going to warn against the dangers of marriage and the contract, logically would it not follow that forced conscription is anti-liberty and anti-individual?

    also for full disclosure, I am probably closest to anarchist (not anarcho capitalist) than libertarian. And also don’t consider myself MGTOW as reading sevral blogs, I just can’t get behind the rigthwing bent. I ain’t no liberal and I ain’t no hippie, but I am dirty. Very dirty…

    • To be honest the core concepts of MGTOW have nothing to do with left or right. So that means anyone of any political bent can claim to be MGTOW.

      MGTOW is a meaningless label and a dead end anyway.

      A big implosion is about to happen to the youtube community, there some big time youtube makers who are going to be driven off.

      The anti male mental defects like Messenger Rising and Traversable MGTOW are both attack other men making false accusations of pedophilia.

      • It’s not that simple, and although I don’t think he is blameless; I wouldn’t pin it all on Messenger (don’t know about traversable though).

        Messenger has only called people pedophiles in regards to anime, and for the most part, I can’t blame him for getting that idea. Have you seen the anime’s lately? I didn’t even watch anything last season it was so bad, and the only watchable show this season is One punch man. Why? because so many of the animes are about FUCKING LITTLE GIRLS. Thats not an exageration. The. Main. Character. Is. a. Little. Girl. in MANY of the animes being made nowadays. I keep hoping for something great like Ergo Proxy or Code Geass, but instead they cater to lolicons , and when its not loli’s, they do incest sub-plots. Sometimes both.

        Anime has been going downhill for quite some time now, and this is being talked about a LOT in the anime community at large. I mean, it’s gotten so bad that freakin Hayao Miyazaki (You know, from Studio Ghibli) basically came out and said “Otaku ruined anime.”

        So, while I think messenger’s stance is a bit narrow minded, I can’t actually blame him for getting the idea that anime is filled with pedophiles given what I’ve just described.

        AND at the same time he is the only one really calling out PUAs in the MGTOW community, everbody else is just turning a blind eye to it while people like Niko Chosky (who for some reason became a big name amongst youtube MGTOWS) are posting PUA material on their youtube channel non-stop.

        Also, most of the supposed attacks went on in (private?) hangouts. I don’t know anything about what went on in those, although I have been trying to find out, but I do remember people talking about a “Hangout gate”

        Does anyone know anything about this “Hangout gate?”

        Anyway, all I know is that skeletons are coming out of the closet left and right, and it’s anyone’s bet as to who has more.

        • Stop bullshting. Messenger has called people pedophiles for no reason. Messenger has attacked Ayam Sirias for no reason. He has falsely accused immortal MGTOW of being a pedophile, the list is endless.

          The guy has recently attacked CS MGTOW and revealed personal information about him.

          “Messenger has only called people pedophiles in regards to anime, and for the most part, I can’t blame him for getting that idea. Have you seen the anime’s lately? I didn’t even watch anything last season it was so bad, and the only watchable show this season is One punch man. Why? because so many of the animes are about FUCKING LITTLE GIRLS. ”

          Black Pill this person is making false accusations of pedophilia, I believe you should ban him. Having animes with little girls is not proof of anything at all. Maybe the guy is projecting, but when I see a anime with a little girl, I do not feel anything sexual.

          You are just shaming hobbies that men like. Also you are indirectly calling for censorship.

          “Also, most of the supposed attacks went on in (private?) hangouts. I don’t know anything about what went on in those, although I have been trying to find out, but I do remember people talking about a “Hangout gate”

          Does anyone know anything about this “Hangout gate?”

          Anyway, all I know is that skeletons are coming out of the closet left and right, and it’s anyone’s bet as to who has more.”

          If you do not know what you are talking about shit the fuck up idiot. There is screen capped proof of what I am talking about. This is just one of the videos calling out messenger rising.

          Messenger rising and his faction of MGTOw are causing lots of drama, and certain MGTOW are going to leave soon, I have spoken to them personally.

        • Black Adder is banned. I’m instituting a new rule. Any false accusations of pedophilia (or rape or sexual harassment) results in an immediate ban. And anyone who makes a false pedophilia (or rape or sexual harassment) accusation against a group is by definition making a false accusation since there is no way they could have gathered evidence on an entire group like anime viewers.

          I’m leaving the original comment alone so everyone can see why I had to take this action.

    • @ stoner:
      I just would not take any of the shit spewing from Aaron Clarey A.K.A. Captain Capitalism seriously. He is an effeminate tool, so I take his endorsement of the military establishment to be his pathetic attempt at establishing a man card.

      • I don’t take him seriously, however…

        His (and Chapin’s views) unfortunately need to be refuted because they come up allot of places including MGTOW websites….

        agreed he seems obsessed with earning his “man card.”

    • I’ve seen them described as Regan era Republicans.

      In fairness to Reagan, I’m sure that Reagan would want nothing to do with them.

      I believe most manurespherians are pedaling traditionalism under the guise of libertarianism…

      They are. Just try and fine one plank of the Libertarian Party platform they support that is unique to the Libertarian Party and not shared by another political party. You won’t be able to because they’re not Libertarians. In some cases they will even be honest enough to say that they are against the Libertarian Party.

      Clarey actually tells young men to join the military-but military, that looks like Big Gov to me.

      It’s worse than that. The military is now trying to use false sexual harassment accusations against to dishonorably discharge soldiers suffering from PTSD (and not pay for their treatment). Clarey is telling young men to get PTSD and be the victim of a false sexual harassment accusation.

      When it comes to the military industrial complex, the problem is that they are sort of against it, but sort of not. They’re really against the who and not the what. And that applies to Obamacare too. When Dr. Illusion “came out” as a white vagina worshiping nationalist, he said that welfare was fine as long as only white people get welfare. (We know that really means white women only.) They’re all for welfare as long as only the “right” people are getting it. It’s the same for them with the MIC. They think the Jews or NWO is controlling the MIC, they’re against it. However, they are for it if their man is in charge of it (or they believe their man to be in charge of it). The manuresphere and conspiracy theorists are pro-Russia (and have been for at least 10 years in the case of the conspiracy theorists), and support the Russian MIC. That makes them against the American MIC for now. That will change as soon as they think someone sympathetic to them is running the American MIC. For example, Alex Jones in the past had a bunch of conspiracy theories about government surveillance and how it was a NWO plot. Donald Trump was on Alex Jones’s show and said that we needed widespread surveillance or else “we wouldn’t have a country anymore”. Because Donald Trump wanted to setup a surveillance state, Alex Jones was now for the surveillance state he used to be against.

      This is convoluted because they don’t have consistent political principles other than being white vagina worshiping nationalists. They are all fascists, but they are against other people being fascists.

    • LOL! This literally made laugh out loud. Well, almost as much as when I just looked at Forney’s website. I see he’s been booted off Twitter. He seems butthurt about it, too. Like that loser has anything better to do than troll on Twitter all day, aside from devouring a dozen donuts at a time 😛

      • Dude, glad it gave you a good laugh…

        These guys are bullies they can dish it out but they can’t take their own medicine. And the funny thing is they try to position themselves “the new enlightenment” or so sort of other bullcrap…

  3. If you’re looking for some bad reading, check out Aziz Ansari’s new book, Modern Romance. There’s a .rar that opens into an .epub. Don’t buy it.

    I’m on the first 3 chapters. So far, he’s put a lot of work into describing how men are bad at dating because they don’t text women how they want to be texted or ask women out on dates in the right way.

    Black Pill, this is a good example of the MDAD so far.

    My purple-pill, pseudo-PUA friend recommended it. It’s trash. Enjoy, gentlemen.

  4. CS MGTOW has announced he is leaving mgtow. He will not be making anymore videos.

    He told me personally that he is leaving due to the doxng by people of the likes messenger rising.

    Black Pill you like to blog about the threats against MGTOW. The current faction within MGTOW that is anti male and fascist is currently damaging MGTOW.

    Some people have labeled the current faction the MGTOW Taliban.

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