Going Green Will Not Get You Laid Because Of The Just World Fallacy

I have talked about how dating advice is used as a scam to convince people to believe in a particular ideology.  While the manuresphere is a good example of this, using dating advice to make men believe in a particular ideology is not limited to them.  The Dickless Mangina Project has a page about how going green will makes men attractive and sexy (and by extension get men laid).

If going green will get a man laid, then it should be easy to show examples of ugly and poor men who go green and become attractive to women.  The page has no examples.  In fact, the two examples the page gives of guys who are going green are a rock star and a rich and famous actor.  Both men are good looking.  Women would be attracted to them whether they were going green or industrial level polluters.  This shows that going green has no effect on a man’s attractiveness.  If a man is already attractive, then going green won’t have a negative effect, but it won’t have a positive effect either.  If an unattractive man goes green, women won’t care and will treat him the same as they did before.

A while ago, I was in downtown Vancouver for several days.  There was this homeless guy who was picking up trash and trying to keep part of the downtown area clean and green.  (He was doing this as a form of panhandling, but he was trying to do something rather than just hold his hand out.)  It was pretty obvious that this homeless guy was not getting laid at all.  His decision to be green did not help him proving the page at The Dickless Mangina Project to be a complete lie.  This is just another example of trying to use dating advice to manipulate men into a political ideology.

Why are there all these attempts to link being successful at getting women with believing in the “right” political ideology?  It is because most people believe in the Just World Fallacy when it comes to men and dating/relationships/sex.  They believe that a man who is successful at getting women must have the “right” politics whatever they believe the “right” politics to be.  This is because having the “right” politics is believed by most people to be equivalent to being moral and virtuous.  In the page from The Dickless Mangina Project, the “right” politics happens to be environmentalism.  For others it is feminism.  For the manuresphere, it is racism and anti-semitism.  The reality is that the Just World Fallacy is a fallacy for a reason.  There is no connection between being attractive to women and having a particular set of political beliefs.  In fact, there is no connection between being attractive to women and being moral and virtuous.

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66 thoughts on “Going Green Will Not Get You Laid Because Of The Just World Fallacy

  1. FWIW, sex sells applies to everything. The most surefire way to get most people to buy into something, be it the latest iphone, an ideology, a loan or a burger, is to suggest it will give them sexual access to the people they desire.

    • Not everything. Studies have shown that the more a product is NOT differentiated from the competition, the more effective sex sells. Light beer is an example. If a product (as a brand) solves a problem and is clearly in it’s own category, sex is not used in creating advertising for it.

      • Actually, a product that distinguishes itself still sells because of sex. Distinction implies you will stand out from others and be part of an elite, both of which are sociosexual drives. A good example is Apple, viewed as distinctive by its users, does not feature naked women or men on its ads and press releases, yet often bought by people who perceive it will get them attention and/or belonging.

        It may be a matter of degrees, but everything boils down to reproduction at the end. Hence why sensual language, curvy patterns and socialization and sexually tense scenes feature in ads where sex does not feature directly. Once you look out for it, it’s everywhere.

        • I must agree that sexual dimorphism expresses itself in each individual’s subconscious drives.

          On the other hand, you’re blurring the definition between sex and social signalling and other human behaviors. Therefore you would say nothing about any particular ad campaign.

        • I can bring up some particular examples if you like, such as the shape of coca cola bottles, or the way apple drives the distinction between itself and other brands to such an extreme to encourage herd mentality and fetishization of their products as social symbols. Both are distinctive, considered unique by their consumers, yet revert to subtle sensual imagery and herd mentality to encourage people to consume in hopes of gaining resources. Among which are sex. Social signalling is about sex, at the end of the day. Dietary habits end up being about sex. Everything we do stems from our cells’ desire to further themselves. And advertisers know this. In an age of constantly consuming unnecessary products, everything sells itself via appeal to your own desire to be sexy and to broadcast your sexiness. It’s basic marketing.

        • You didn’t read my first sentence of my previous reply. I know exactly what you are talking about. But you seem to not be able to comprehend that I understand what you are saying.

          You are the one who used the cliche’ “sex sells” without explaining that you were using the broader term that biology is about survival and reproduction. I could just say advertising is all about survival, since you need survival before you can reproduce and you need to help your offspring survive. A consumer’s need to take arthritis medication for pain is not about sexiness but survival. And arthritis medication advertising does not show people in the prime of their sexual youth. Nor is the shape of the medication bottle sexy. That is a counter-example which can be tested.

          You have to have clear definitions of human behavior in order to accomplish the hard work of advertising particular products in specific campaigns. Without those categories you can’t measure which campaign is working and what are the conflating factors in the event that sales changes as you change ad campaigns.

        • Your point about survival does stand, as it is the root of everything. Yet we also have to understand survival and reproduction as overlapping circles rather than concentric ones, as we will gladly throw our lives out the window to give our genes a better opportunity. This overlap is directly visible in the exact example you gave: arthritis medication does branch out into generic joint pain medication, which uses pretty women and strong young men doing active things to represent the ease of joint movement. Magazines like Arthritis Today frequently use younger, prettier women on their cover, despite their main audience being older. Some ads portray happy, obviously in-love older couples to advertise their medication. Whereas others, as you correctly note, stimulate fear and encourage us to buy the medication to avoid pain. All methods are used, depending on the marketing strategy employed, but when we look at that advertising niche as a category rather than as individual advertisements, the sex side is far from absent.

  2. haha, I really would be better off if I was a normal guy and just watched a ton of porn instead of reading blogs…

    unfortunately clicked on TGMP link, and what’ya know the broad that wrote it is a vegan. Zie (remember that’s the pretentious pronoun these types demand, just Elam requires everyone refer to him as dark lord sir Elam Overlord) has a blog and on that blog zie writes that red meats cause cancer and people should stop eating that because like alcohol and plutonium it causes cancer. Zie also has an article that says how gr8 Guinness Beer is because they are now going vegan…

    Contradiction much????

    anyway it would be funny to see this broad yell at Matt Forney for eating drive through pay-le-0 diet while they both outdrink craptain crapitalizm and dayvis ayruyni…

    • Nice try. Using the word “behavior” as a euphemism for “Game” won’t work around here. We know “Game” is a false concept.

  3. they could put up this meme…

    then say Hugo Schwyzer and Warmacine are ladies men because they went green and infact ladies crowd around them because they “went green” and ignore all the red flags….

  4. Let’s face it: by the time a man reaches a certain point of alienation from females, he may be willing to do just about anything to appeal to the opposite sex. Women know this, especially those women in liberal circles, because they are the same women who helped hand-craft these poor suckers in to the geldings they are. They dangle the carrot of female approval out in front of their noses, and lead them in any whatever direction serves the agenda for that day. You’d think that some of these gimmicks would be blatantly obvious to any man, but desperation will blind guys like that, especially if they are so hen-pecked that they are going to thegoodmanginaproject.com for any other reason than to ridicule it.

      • After spending enough time alienated, eventually the attitudes of even the most henpecked men will start to sour, but even the most cynical-sounding guys can fall back into the grip of female control much more easily than they realize. The only thing that truly reduces female power is when the guy loses that one magic ingredient that always brings men back: hope. Hope is not something that you can intellectualize away on your own. Hope has to be starved off with time, gusto has to be beaten unconscious, and dreams have to be euthanized. That is when females truly lose their grip.

        • I agree with this. Tamerlame, you forget the droves of men that continue to get into relationship after relationship with women, being used again and again. Remember the multitudes of men that continue to get married and re-married and finally how men continue to perpetuate the gynocentric society and laws that we live in (judges, police, politicians,etc).

          It is clear that the hold women have over most men in this society is very binding to the majority of males and it takes extreme measures for most to break away.

          Even then, I doubt most men would be able to fully accept the nature of women and society and might actually contemplate suicide.

  5. “Ergeniz says:
    April 25, 2016 at 10:04 pm
    I agree with this. Tamerlame, you forget the droves of men that continue to get into relationship after relationship with women, being used again and again. Remember the multitudes of men that continue to get married and re-married and finally how men continue to perpetuate the gynocentric society and laws that we live in (judges, police, politicians,etc).

    It is clear that the hold women have over most men in this society is very binding to the majority of males and it takes extreme measures for most to break away.

    Even then, I doubt most men would be able to fully accept the nature of women and society and might actually contemplate suicide.”

    Explain Japan? sure it has lots of suicide, but far more men who remain single forever.

    Shaming tactics backfire, more men are waking up.

    • I think the issue with Japan is that with its culture and technological advancement its easy for men to find substitutes and distractions for women. Even then, its clear many of the men have that desire given with the proliferation of hentai, virtual girlfriends, how attractive women characters make up large amounts of the cast in many video games/anime/manga (in many cases, the entire cast). A few rare cases of men actually getting married to their virtual girlfriends.

      From what I’ve read on Japan, the main issue men are not with women is due to their demands being too high, combined with the tough demands for a male to enter into the workforce; its simply not worth the effort. Other factors seem to include reduced sex drive, which imo is one of the main reasons men would have anything to do with women.

      • Due to the Japanese refusal to embrace feminism and racial displacement, our Jewish controlled media has been portraying the country in a negative light for years. The Japanese themselves aid and abet this, they do so because they want to distract from their unfair trade policies. The portrayal of the Japanese people as not having sex is partially true, but for very different reasons than those the media claims.

        Firstoff, it is often pointed out that the Japanese have a low rate of marriage. This is true for only one reason: the Japanese marriages last. If someone gets married and then divorces and then marries once more, he is counted twice. So the Japanese have a lower crude rate of marriage, but if you look at proportion of 40 year olds who are married, it is significantly higher than the proportion in the West.

        Younger Japanese, however, do seem to be having less sex than Americans, but not for the reasons the media claims. In Japan, many of the women are not attracted to many of the men. I believe that this is due to modernity, there as it is here. In the West these women would respond by having sex promiscuously with those men who they find attractive, this is not done as much in Japan because they still shame promiscuity. So, rather than having sex with the less attractive men, they respond by not having sex at all. Perhaps for racial reasons they have a weaker desire for the act of sex itself. And with less promiscuous women around, single Japanese men find it harder to pretend that they are having sex, and so end up embracing singledom. But this is typically a temporary phenomenon. As their looks start to fade, Japanese women realize that “holding out for Mr. Right” isn’t going to work, so they start to react more positively to the men they had previously been repulsed by.

        • ” In Japan, many of the women are not attracted to many of the men. I believe that this is due to modernity, there as it is here. In the West these women would respond by having sex promiscuously with those men who they find attractive, this is not done as much in Japan because they still shame promiscuity. So, rather than having sex with the less attractive men, they respond by not having sex at all”.

          Actually, all of that is really no different than the US. I also believe that’s the case for the so-called lesbians that are so outspoken in the US these days. Its amazing how many times I’ve seen a woman identify as homosexual, only to later claim she’s bi or was simply ‘testing the waters’ when she finds a guy she’s interested in fucking/manipulating/marrying. Not only does it prove women are full of shit, it says that a woman would rather enter into gay relationships than ever consider being with a man she considers unattractive or low-status. Same thing with otherwise attractive or above average looking women who don’t seem to be seeing anyone for long periods of time and have multiple males interested in them – they’d rather be alone than ever be with a ‘beta’ male.

          On an slightly related note I’ve seen how asian males are frustrated with this state of affairs, at least in the west. Many asian females go crazy for any western or European white male that gives them attention and its basically easy pickings. On the other hand, white women don’t seem to reciprocate on the inverse side of the scale, compounding the situation with their own women. I’ve had more than one asian friend express his discontent with this.

  6. Off topic, but Jack Donovan is at it again, writing in his new book that:

    >Understanding masculinity means understanding that men can only reach their greatest potential through vital conflict and competition with other men. Human masculinity – the testing and proving of strength, courage, mastery and the desire to earn the respect of a given group of men – requires conflict to thrive, but also to survive. Eternal peace is the death of manliness.
    http://archive.is/bz5UO

    There you have it (again). Masculinity über alles.

    This word is really like the biggest red-flag. Whenever a text has the word “masculinity” in it, it is total shit: whether it be pathetic stuff like r/asianmasculinity or Roosh/infowars “neomasculinity” or feminists talking about “toxic masculinity” or war fetishists talking about peace as the death of masculinity.

    • from creeper jacks’ own mouth,

      “Yeah, I’ve been a top for years. I basically fuck men like they are women — but I’m glad that they’re not. I’m banging this jacked rich liberal right now. Probably the best piece of ass I’ve ever had. I’ve had sex with women, but I’ve been with one guy for 14 years, so there is no question of…switching teams…in any meaningful way. He’s a good guy who supports me and my work and always has. I have a dude on the side, but it’s all on the level, and betraying Lucio — who became blood-brothers with me for my second book, and has my initials tattooed (by me) on his arm — because I decided to “explore other ideas for philosophical reasons” would be the homo version of “Eat, Pray Love.”

      As far at The Way of Men is concerned: It’s either right or it isn’t. A lot of the ideas came from conversations with my straight friends about their frustrations with their lives. It’s not about me “converting” people. Let’s be real. I’m a jacked tattooed guy who is more or less a skinhead. Do you for a moment think I can’t get laid? The reality is I can post a pic to a hookup app and have someone blowing me inside of 3 hours. I’ll be able to pull prime ass from dudes with daddy issues for the next 10 years. ”

      https://archive.is/uf5PL

      why the fuck is he soooo invested in keeping low status men disposable? Could it be for the same reasons that a Trad Con like Judgy Bitch does? Oh, but of course I’m a homo-0-phobic bigot for pointing that out and saying that I don’t trust gay men….

    • Where did the term neo-masculinity come from? Did that exist years ago? I first heard it on Rocking Mr. E video on the manosphere. So, according to the manosphere, being masculine is not enough? Now we need “the one” masculinity? It sounds like something out of a movie. Something that we are supposed to find, an artifact, that we save the women who are under the spell from the reptilian aliens, err, I mean Marxist communists.

  7. “stonerwithaboner says:
    April 26, 2016 at 11:48 pm
    if other gay men were calling him out you’d have a point, but unfortunately they give him props…

    http://www.genderratic.net/?p=1732

    …and that’s why I don’t trust Ginko or other M(h)RA’s one bit…”

    If men in general called other men out for being anti male you would have a point.

    You have clear issues with homosexuals, and it is boring me to death.

        • you don’t even address ANYTHING I’ve said and just fling insults…

          Why is Donovan so obsessed with keeping men in the disposable role? (what he says is literally worse than what most feminists say…)

          Why does a so-called M(h)RA like Ginko give him props? Remember this guy is purportedly more aware of the shit low status men face than the average person….

          If you are going to say, well, AVfM gave anti-male scum Roosh V a forum, remember, i attacked them for that…

          Why does Donovan get a “pass” similar to what womyn get?

          Why don’t you answer that and even if you come to a different conclusion that’s better than calling someone a “mental defect.”

          I have clear issues with the alt-right, so fucking what???

    • wait, uh, I’m seriously confused…

      “As part of the study, a group of men were asked to perform a stereotypically feminine act – braiding hair in this case – while a control group braided rope. Following the act, the men were given the option to either solve a puzzle or punch a heavy bag.

      Not surprisingly, the men who performed the task that threatened their masculinity were far more likely to punch the bag. Again, violence serving as a way to reestablish their masculine identity.

      A follow-up had both groups punch the bag after braiding either hair or rope. The men who braided the hair punched the bag much harder.”

      Does this mean Metallica’s bass player is also a heavyweight boxer? This kyriarchy shit is seriously confusing…

      • Personally I don’t even doubt that there are many men who use violence as a way to “reestablish their masculine identity”, but all of that isn’t simply/only men’s fault. Example:

        “While 63 percent of women surveyed said they’d opt out of traditional labels like “homosexual,” “heterosexual” and “bisexual,” the same percentage also said they wouldn’t date a man who has slept with another man.”

        The same kind of women who make fun of “fragile masculinity” and think that they are hip and trendy for being demigenderqueerpantumblrsexual would only date a heterosexual man.

        Fits to the BDSM discussion at your blog and women insulting men’s masculinity when they don’t want to “consensually” punch them in the face…

    • And I hate to say it, but this:
      “If they were actually trying to help men instead of looking for excuses to keep hating on women.”
      is also not entirely wrong.

      There ARE many, many men in the so-called “manosphere”, “red-pill”, “pua”, “neomasculinity”, etc. who rather want to hurt women than to help men.

      Just ask these people about poor men and see what kind of answers you get…

      If there’s one thing I’ve learned in all these circles then its that anti-women doesn’t necessarily translate into pro-men…

      • “Just ask these people about poor men and see what kind of answers you get…”

        Every time I bring that up at sheddingoftheego, all the “libertarian MGTOW” start throwing a hissy fit…

        • “Every time I bring that up at sheddingoftheego, all the “libertarian MGTOW” start throwing a hissy fit…”

          These right-winger “libertarians” are total scum: either utterly naive and gullible (“The almighty, all-good and all-knowing Free Market won’t let anything bad happen!”) or extremely cynical and heartless (“Let them eat cake and the weak ones perish!”)

      • “There ARE many, many men in the so-called “manosphere”, “red-pill”, “pua”, “neomasculinity”, etc. who rather want to hurt women”.

        I don’t see the problem.

        • The problem comes when people start believing that you just have to hurt women to help men. Or when snake-oil salesman lure naive guys into cultish bullshit to rip them off. Or when necessary and promising political movements degenerate into mindless sadism because they only want to hurt women while not giving a fuck about men, poor men, low-status men, etc., who would need help.

        • Let’s face it – most men aren’t going to help low status men either way. So, the least we can do is make women suffer as much as possible. Although, even on that note, we don’t really need to do anything since women’s actions are inherently self-destructive.

          Speaking of AvfM, the problem there was that they didn’t hate women enough and eventually allowed women to infiltrate and subvert the website due to believing they could actually be reasonable with females. We all know this is a fruitless endeavor, since women always seek to invade male spaces and eventually destroy what they originally stood for.

          Yes, I hate women. I think its great whenever one gets screwed over.

  8. LOL!
    So much for the idea that (rich) Jews ruin society so that they are the only healthy ones left who can rule then:

  9. “Yes, I hate women. I think its great whenever one gets screwed over.”

    The opposite of love is not hate but indifference…

    “Speaking of AvfM, the problem there was that they didn’t hate women enough and eventually allowed women to infiltrate and subvert the website due to believing they could actually be reasonable with females. ”

    Elam might hate womyn but the reality is most those guys worship pu$$y. Or if you believe the narrative (what John the Otterbox has said) they think they won’t be attacked by white knight male feminists because “never hit a womyn.”

    • That’s true. I don’t do anything to or more importantly, for women.

      “but the reality is most those guys worship pu$$y”.

      Exactly.

  10. “Elam might hate womyn but the reality is most those guys worship pu$$y.”

    This.

    There are many men who might hate women but worship pussy (PUA), and many men who might hate women but worship the uterus (Alt-Right). And it’s a big mistake to believe that some PuA or tradcon shit will help men.

  11. What do you guys think of the video below?

    This woman, Iben Thranholm, although she has a few good points, all she is doing is pointing the finger at men and blaming all of the world’s problems on the men. She just says men need to get back to their masculine roots. She claims most men act and/or dress like women.
    In this video and another one where she and Stefan Molyneux interviewed each other, she said divorce of families happens because men aren’t being masculine enough, taking the lead, being in control, you name it.
    In the other video with Stefan Molyneux, she said, to paraphrase her, that she knows so many masculine women who are still very feminine who can’t find any masculine men. Hmmm. I guess to her that to ask if the reverse is true is blasphemy. To her, there is no such thing as a very feminine man who are still very masculine looking for a feminine woman. (Of course, I don’t think men should dress like women or “act” like them, but you get my point.)

    Here is a comment from someone who said: “Too many of you men are Godless heathens. If you adhered to true Christian values, you wouldn’t have Muslims and nignogs taking over Europe. You’re all going to roast in hell. Satan will rape your arses with his tail in hell’s caverns”
    This comment is making me suspect, as I have for some time, women who are the gatekeepers of sex are now being raised to the gatekeepers of heaven.

    Some woman also responded, and many of women and men, parrot the same thing, in the comments section that most men are either misogynists or pathetic, girly men. She can’t find a good man.

    • Leave these marching morons to their doom.

      These are the same nutcases who make a big deal about manly “real men” and what it takes to be a “real man” but actually love guys who never married.

      Jesus (well ….. )

      Ludwig van Beethoven (He wrote music and wore frilly shirts and never married, don’tcha know that’s why he went deaf. Didn’t marry, that’s why.)

      The Wright Brothers (Wanted to fly. Too girly, flying.)

      Al Pacino (Actors are degenerate)

      Nicolas Tesla (Probably a queer. Always experimenting, that’s queer.)

      Ed Koch (east coast big city liberal)

      Wilt Chamberlain (black, nuff said)

      Charles Barkley (black, said again)

      And cultural heroes:

      Clint Eastwood (in Undefeated, single)
      Alad Ladd (in Shane, single)
      Harrison Ford (in Star Wars and Indiana Jones, single)
      Kevin Costner (in Dances with Wolves, single)
      Sylvester Stallone (as Rambo, single)
      John Wayne (in The Searchers, single)
      James Bond
      Sherlock Holmes

      Bonus:

      Clark Gable (in Gone With the Wind, tells his ex to stuff it)

      Gregory Peck (in movie role as Atticus Finch in To Kill A Mockingbird. Atticus is a widower but that’s the point.)

      They’ve got nothing. Just noise. They probably all secretly want to be single.

      Oh, and Molyneux all but promises single libertarian-minded guys that if they join him they’ll get great wives. He’s been called out by his followers that there are virtually no philosophy or libertarian women then he changes the goal posts and says guys can train women to be rational. Bollocks.

      They have nothing else but be a “real man”. That’s it – they have nothing.

      • “What do you guys think of the video below”?

        I would say we’ve all heard this before. Shaming language from women. Nothing new. I’m not even going to bother watching it.

        “They have nothing else but be a “real man”. That’s it – they have nothing”.

        Female manipulation. I don’t let any female tell me how to be man or what it means to be one and nether should of you. My mother tried that shit just the other day. I told her to stuff it.

        • I found an interesting comment on the above video. As you know, too many men today are placing the sins of women upon men. The comments from too many on that video express just that. They say everything is our (men’s) fault…bla bla bla
          Anyway, one male comment said and blamed it everything on bla bla bla
          “semi-gay” men. What the heck does semi-gay mean? Did such a word even exist years ago. Yes, I can use my imaginatiion to figure out what it means. Hmmm. I guess it means that every man who isn’t some Arnold Schweneggar, Brad Pitt, etc.. Better yet, every man who does not currently have a woman literally sucking his dick is semi-gay.
          I dare say these radical right-wingers are only creating sympathy for tthe LGBT community if they are going to falsely accuse every single, virgin male as being a gay faggot.

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