35 comments on “It’s Time To Give Up The Pills

  1. I have disliked the Red Pill/Blue Pill dichotomy for a long time….

    https://stonerwithaboner.wordpress.com/2012/08/04/pill-popperz-and-other-assorted-looney-tunes/

    I also noticed there was a guy on Youtube calling himself the “black pill.”

    The guys at sheddingoftheego.com sound like idiots when they say red pill this/blue pill that. They sound almost as bad as Dick Spence at altright.com when he drops cuck this, cuck that every other line.

    For both “movements” trying to gain mainstream acceptance, they sound just as silly as the feminists they claim to hate. (“It’s all teh patriarchy, dahling.”)

    This seems like the absolute final step as a total disavowel of the broken sewer that is the manuresphere. Fuck Yeah!

  2. For some reason, I thought that the “black” in black pill was some ethno-racial reference…probably because there was so much talk about white nationalism here, after Omega Virgin Revolt. I never really got that, either — we’re all surrounded by gynocentricism, misandry, feminism, complementarianism, etc. all day long, but I don’t even think I’ve ever met a real white nationalist, let alone do I see any connection to incel or related subjects.

    • For some reason, I thought that the “black” in black pill was some ethno-racial reference

      It wasn’t intended to be, but some white vagina worshiping nationalists thought so. I have also seen white vagina worshiping nationalists talk about a “white pill” as well. Just another reason to get away from the pills.

    • Hey Man,

      Since we discussed ER awhile back, you might find this interesting…

      anyways the connection between “incel” and WN is counterintuitive. Ironically, I was trolling some WN’s and one talked about how he was gonna breed with some “mino” women. (I always thought WN’s love blondes with big titties that looked like Playboy playmates from the 80’s.) WN’s want to keep other men from white women but get access to other women. Just imagine how Roosh V would act if you asked, “Know any Persian women, hook me up with your sister.” Even though he is not WN, he has the same mentality and wants to be accepted by them. It also reminds me of a real life incident where I worked with an incredibly racist Mexican. He would always tell vulgar sex stories and then make fun of me for being quiet. One day he asked “how come you are always quiet? Don’t have any stories? What Are ya, gay or a virgin, or both?”

      I replied “Neither, ask your mom and sister.” Hahaha, he was really upset. He woulda fought me but I don’t think he could kick m ass. But it is funny because he had the same mentality of Roosh V and WN’s. He is trying to do the same “neomascuwinitee” BS and reduce other men’s access to women while increasing his.

      • Ironically, I was trolling some WN’s and one talked about how he was gonna breed with some “mino” women. (I always thought WN’s love blondes with big titties that looked like Playboy playmates from the 80’s.)

        This is not surprising. There has never been consistency among the white vagina worshiping nationalists including the Nazis. The Nazis would give “honorary Aryan” status to people they otherwise would have exterminated (even Jews) who they needed to keep around. Hitler even gave honorary Aryan status to all Japanese people.

        For a (non-sexual) example of this, just watch the movie, American History X. One of the reasons why the main character stopped being a Nazi was because he went to prison and discovered that the other Nazis in prison were happy to make deals with non-white prisoners when convenient for them. In fact, his fellow Naxis got mad at the main character for questioning their purity and raped him for doing that. (Of course, when the main character was raped in prison, feminists were nowhere to be found to help him.)

        • White supremacism is really Nordic supremacism. If you check out all these WN blogs when they are not bitching about Jews, blacks or what have you, eventually those of British, German, Scandinavian, Dutch background eventually turn on the Italians, Greeks and Spanish etc.

          They wish to claim Romans and Greeks as Nordics rather than mostly Mediterranean people with some Alpine and Celtic elements which they were (this explains Catos green eyes and Nero’s blonde hair)Hitler himself praised Mussolini’s appearance as a robust Alpine type and compared the southern Italians in particular in an unfavorable light to him. Interestingly Hitler himself was self conscious about his appearance -he thought his nose was too Jewish looking and his hair was quite dark.

          This is why WN is a tough sell in Europe, it may do better in U.S because most whites have dissolved their unique ethnic heritage except for the Italians and Irish who are the largest components of the white demographic after German and British.

    • He also brushed off a critical comment on the outcome of White Man & Asian Chick pairing with the remark that the problems of hapa men & boys exist “hardly due to the ethnicities of his parents”.

      http://archive.is/tPNZ0

      From the perspective that it’s hatred towards males in general and not only towards Asian males it’s of course understandable. On the other hand, how can sombody make such a claim like the one above while knowing that Asian men are undesirable?

    • Yup I used to comment occasionally there but got annoyed by his penchant for censoring comments which run counter to his views specifically his fondness for Keynesian economics and when criticized for these views he touts his London School of Economics degree to pull rank.
      He actually believes that Western institutions -media and academia are incredibly pro Israel LOL. I dont think this makes him an anti Semite, (I have seen no evidence for this) . It simply makes him an idiot.
      In other words he has many left leaning views on economics and foreign policy , has sympathies for tradcon and now is increasingly sympathetic to “race realism”. Seems pretty much identical to Steve Sailer’s positions.
      Like the Donald trump did with the alt right-he used them to get to power and tossed them aside like a used condom(look at their hysteria over the bombings of Syria LOL, Ann Coulter , Milo and Paul Joseph Watson are still weeping) , similarly we must deal with these with anti PUAs. They have fulfilled their role and now are toxic. Evict them from the MRA.

      • I’d say he “self-evicted” and is now in full alt-right mode. He even links to Aaron Clarey. He moderates all his comments (only feminists and their ilk need to do that.)

        It’s funny though, if the Don did intentionally use the alt-reich just to throw them away like a used rubber, it gives a whole new meaning to the term cuck. Haha.

  3. Sometimes I wonder if it would be best to simply call yourself “Against Women.”

    Antifeminism doesn’t mean shit anymore because the majority of all feminists call themselves antifeminist these days. Antifeminism has come to mean nothing more than liking “politically incorrect” jokes and not liking women with blue hair and a tumblr blog. But outside of the internet, the majority of women will rather tell you something along the lines of, “I mean, I’m not a feminist or something, BUT…” , and after that “but” comes all the feminist shit.

    So, for a while I simply said that I am opposed to women’s rights. However, then you get all these right-wingers who go on about how women are children and victims of the Jews, and how you have to protect women from themselves. They are opposed to women’s rights in the sense that they want to treat women like someone’s darling little princess daughter he loves to pamper.

    And as for MGTOW, ah…
    The other day I felt like making a reddit account again; two days later I’m already getting attacked and down-voted because I told some guy at the MGTOW subreddit that just wanting to fuck without marrying hardly makes you MGTOW and more importantly: that his vasectomy won’t protect him from charges of rape.
    So this is what MGTOW has come to mean: just wanting to fuck without marrying and having kids. Like, the Bill Maher lifestyle..

    It’s all just sad really…

    • “Antifeminism doesn’t mean shit anymore because the majority of all feminists call themselves antifeminist these days. Antifeminism has come to mean nothing more than liking “politically incorrect” jokes and not liking women with blue hair and a tumblr blog. But outside of the internet, the majority of women will rather tell you something along the lines of, “I mean, I’m not a feminist or something, BUT…” , and after that “but” comes all the feminist shit.”

      Anti feminism is simply a scam hot young women use to make money off YouTube. I dont blame them for being scammers , women in general dont have any sense of honor,fair play or principles and they will do what they do. I blame the hordes of idiot men who hit like, subscribe and contribute to their ad revenue.

  4. I noticed this as well. To my knowledge you were the first to come up with the term ‘black pill’ and in the last two years I’d seen the term being used more in normal conversation, such as on MGTOW vids and the like. I originally assumed that your site had gotten more traffic and it was in reference to you but upon additional reading it was not.

    I actually linked your site to several people when using the term; I utilized the term in reference to your blog, while the other people were discussing it as you described above so we talking past each other. The other commenters essentially went, “…Oh”. when I linked your blog.

    I liked the original term, especially as I thought your reasoning for coining it was superior to any other of the camps established in the ‘mansosphere’, etc but now its been co-oped and that is reason enough to abandon the term. The dichotomies established by other ‘pills’, as well as the origin of the pill term itself are very flawed (The matrix itself is a movie where the choice presented between the two pills is not as cut and dry as the creators would like one to believe) and I have indeed seen how the ‘red’ pill is extremely female-centric. I see no difference between it and PUA.

    I ultimately stopped even reading r/redpill. I only lurk r/MGTOW with a few others ( such as r/pussypass) being the only reddits worth the time to engage in when a man realizes the true nature of society and women.

    “You can either love women or understand them”. I really don’t see any possibility for in-between.

  5. Actually, there is a dude in Youtube called “Jamie” who uses the handle “Purple Pill”. This handle is a satirical reference to the dichotomy between the Red Pill and the Blue Pill. Basically being “Purple Pill” would mean being aware of the risks with the women but on the other hand deliberately rejecting the “Mgtow Monk” life-style. In other words acting otherwise like a regular straight dude, but refusing to put the women on the pedestal or to make excuses for their bad behaviour.

    • this is just evidence that you have a broken metaphor. Seems very similar to when manuresphere guys used “alpha” and “beta.” Then some guys started pedalling “married-men-game” and said you have to be part alpha and part beta. Why call himself “purple pill” when ten years ago he would have likely been called a “player?”

    • ” Basically being “Purple Pill” would mean being aware of the risks with the women but on the other hand deliberately rejecting the “Mgtow Monk” life-style. In other words acting otherwise like a regular straight dude, but refusing to put the women on the pedestal or to make excuses for their bad behaviour”.

      That’s utterly useless. There is absolutely no difference between that and PUAs, nor MGTOWs that continue to date or engage in sexual relationships with women.

      I personally subscribe to avoiding any and all relationships with women (which I assume is what one would define as ‘Monk’) outside of banter and the like at the workplace, but one can still be technically MGTOW and engage in pursuing women. The threshold is marriage, bearing children and some would include cohabitation.

      • The metaphor between the “Blue Pill” and “Red Pill” is indeed broken, because it does not describe very well the actual reality for most of the guys.

        For example, many guys who claim to be “Red Pill” are in reality living in true forced loneliness, i.e. they don’t really have much of a choice about the women, because for some reason they are considered undesirable mates by the majority of the women. I believe that many readers of this blog would belong to this category. It is of course regrettable to be considered “undesirable”, so no need to bash the TFL:ers here.

        Then again many traditional “Blue Pill” dudes who are getting married and having a family are later divorced and then they realize that romantic love is really just a some sort of a social construct. Still, they are used to live with a woman and therefore find a life without any kind of female company not a very desirable outcome at all. Of course, this doesn’t have to mean, that a divorced guy would be willing to start it all over again like a dog that keeps coming back to his own vomit. I myself am divorced and I would most likely not agree to cohabitate or to marry again with any woman, it is just too much of a hassle to live with a woman and it will most likely go bad as time goes by, no matter what. Still, I would most likely agree to a non-cohabitating exclusive relationship, a sort of “friendship with benefits” with a single partner, if the opportunity presented itself at a right time.

        Also, it is erroneous to compare all PUA’s and the MGTOW’s that continue to see women, because most PUA’s are actually actively pandering to women and living by the philosophy that you must continuously improve yourself to be able to attract better women to your life. A MGTOW would not achieve things in life to seek attention from the women but on the other hand would not reject the opportunities if and when they present themselves in the form of a woman.

        Obviously you should strive to improve yourself always, no one wants to deny this fact hopefully. But it would be advisable to choose the right motives for self-improvement, that is, doing it for yourself and not for the others.

  6. I just had an exchange with “MGTOW” Max Hydrogen here…

    https://stonerwithaboner.wordpress.com/2017/04/02/max-hydrogen-isnt-being-intellectually-honest-here/

    He refuses to see the downside between using the blue/pill/red pill analogy…

    I tried to tell him that it gets him lumped in with dudes he likely doesn’t want to get lumped in with like Roosh and Dickie Spencer. He didn’t seem to care. And just doubles down he isn’t like those guys despite using the same metaphor. Couldn’t even get t the second part of my argument that it is a broken metaphor. What are you gonna do, call some guys “purple pill aware” or some shit? The third part is this is used to create “in groups” and “out groups.” And I believe the fourth part and most possibly the most important part is that these guys use this metaphor to act as if they have some secret knowledge and by “swallowing the red pill” you can lead a much better life. They never quite get around to diseminating this knowledge though. He told me in previous arguments to “accept the red pill” and I told him MGTOW couldn’t solve all my problems. How can a narrow focus solution solve all my problems. This is like expecting antivirus software to flle my taxes. I’m really suspicious of guys like Max Hydrogen and Barbarossa and think that moving forward, they need to be dealt with the same level of skepicism as feminists or MRA’s…

  7. “In defense of Aaron Clarey, I got put off by his “MGTOWs are MGTOWs because they are loser virgins” and his association with Fatt Phony. But apart from that he doesnot seem to subscribe to any racist or tradcon views. But I havent checked his blog/youtube videos in more than a year so maybe he has “(d)evolved”.”

    Clarey is the major suspect behind the doxing of bar bar and stardusk. Even if Clarey didn’t dox them, at the very least he incited it, as he called for them to be doxxed.

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