38 comments on “SCIENCE!

  1. If scientific practices were properly applied to dating and dating websites, we would find (to a high degree of certainty) that all the real women are themselves running a scam. They are still married, still in a relationship and not single, looking for a free expensive meal with no intent of dating, lying about their preferences in men, running a “rinsing” operation, etc. etc.

    That is why professional scams can’t be eliminated from dating websites, as they can’t be fully distinguished from the women themselves so if the sites don’t overlook scams, they wouldn’t have women on the site. So the operators of a dating website, to the extent they are aware of this issue, are themselves running a scam.

    • Also women in general do not want men. And when women really want men, they meet them outside of dating sites, normally in their own social circle.

      Dating sites can’t change female nature. So they have to offer false hope.

      • Not only can women size up a man directly by his looks, status and willingness to spend money on women by meeting him in social circles, another thing they don’t like about the online dating sites is the fact that they soon have to give a direct clear answer about their personal life or flirt directly and obviously with the potential date or agree to a date at a specific time and place. In dating, women don’t like to be clear about anything if they can help it.

  2. If women wanted to meet men, why do they need paid for dating sites to do it?

    I think it is clear, women are not interested in men in general.

    Men need to accept this and move on.

    Even if a woman fucks you, you are still interchangeable, you are nothing to her

    • I think it is clear, women are not interested in men in general.

      Men need to accept this and move on.

      Even if a woman fucks you, you are still interchangeable, you are nothing to her

      This is true. Women’s “interest” in most men has more to do with needing a financial bailout than anything else. It’s another reason why understanding the concept of The Reserves is so important.

      • Even if a man is not in the reserves, the power dynamic makes relationships shit for most men.

        Women still disrespect men they find attractive.

        That is the point I am trying to make.

        PUA’s believe in fictional Alpha males, that get treated well by women. I think it is projection, as men worship women they find attractive, they assume women do so for the men they find attractive.

        Men need to forgot women completely, and organize collectively to improve their lot, and build things, so they can exclude women.

        Until men do that, they are completely fucked as a collective, and things are only going to get worse.

        • Tamerlame, this may be your most insightful comment yet, among many excellent ones.

          “I think it is clear, women are not interested in men in general.

          Men need to accept this and move on.

          Even if a woman fucks you, you are still interchangeable, you are nothing to her”

          Even if women find you attractive, this is still completely true. They have no sense of a man’s depth of character or an understanding of his individuality. They socialize with men for selfish, immediate reasons only.

  3. Not sure if Plugged this guy or not yet.

    Anyway this is slightly on topic, as this is about trad cons and MRA’s using a faulty understanding og biology and their usage of the term alpha and beta.

  4. I find this behavior all across the culture now.

    the wimminz blog also talks about this stuff, basically we live in a society operated by science and technology, which doesn’t understand either. but now science is a verb or a buzzword. it’s something girls say to make them sound like they are not the idiots they are.

    • All women know is that there is money and thereby luxuries tied somehow to technology. They also like some of the images and art that references it and becomes famous. That’s about it.

  5. Even dating sites know that people know that they are a scam.

    “This site is not fake. 100 percent real profiles. Girls approach you first. Girls ask to fuck first ”

    Nonsense like that.

    They know how females behave on dating sites when they are not fake, they promise men females not to behave in the same way, this is false advertising, and should be illegal.

    • This is a general think, men do not get honesty when it comes to romance, just like they do not get honest in other areas of life.

      Men are seen as sub human.

      Romance is a losers game.

      • Mos men don’t seem to want to hear it.

        Recently I saw a guy online, he said he is poor, doesn’t like that women want to date only if he is rich, say’s he’s depressed, wants friends to not feel lonely and wants kids and he’s nearing 40 and he’s average looking.

        I told him briefly, that his life is working fine without women, without marriage, without kids and that he doesn’t need superficial friends and that he is emotinally addicted to the things he wants but doesn’t need.

        He didn’t listen and started talking to other men giving him cliche useless advice, look for women in churches, change yourself, move, try matchmaking, workout, etc. Nothing original, nothing new, all abuses kicking a man when he’s been lying down to take the kicks. Men want to hear the lies it seems.

        • So he is depressed, but he wants to bring life into this world?

          That is pretty selfish.

          Also i have come to the conclusion that trad con men don’t really give a shit about kids, but only want to get women pregnant to tie them down to them.

        • Also i have come to the conclusion that trad con men don’t really give a shit about kids,

          Tradcons don’t care about kids. They’re worried that there aren’t enough white and/or Christian and/or middle class kids being born. That’s it. Also, on the religious side, it’s an embarassment to have a lot of single mothers in a congregation when you’re allegedly promoting marriage. That’s why you get pastors like Mark Driscoll who yell at the single men in his church that they should marry single mothers.

        • “Tradcons don’t care about kids. They’re worried that there aren’t enough white and/or Christian and/or middle class kids being born”

          They don’t really care about this. Too many WN’s marry Jewish or Asian women for me to take their claims of carrying about the white race seriously.

          WN’s are just trad cons, so they want to bribe women to be with them, and their entire idoelogiy is just a post hoc rationalization for that.

          They will look for any excuse to bribe women to be with them. If you debunk one pretext they create to pander to lazy stay at home housewives, they will just invent another, they will talk about day care centers like they are death camps.

          Any excuse to pander to a lazy stay at home parasite.

          Public Schools being leftist indoctrination centers is one excuse. So the wife is the one who does home schooling.

          Think is the the wife worked, they would have money for a private school.

          Also if the trad con finds a woman to marry and breed with, she will not home school, and the trad con will fold on this in a heart beat, and send his kids to public school.

          I have debated these women worshiping fanatics enough to figure their motives out.

        • Recently I saw a guy online, he said he is poor, doesn’t like that women want to date only if he is rich, say’s he’s depressed, wants friends to not feel lonely and wants kids and he’s nearing 40 and he’s average looking.

          I told him briefly, that his life is working fine without women, without marriage, without kids and that he doesn’t need superficial friends and that he is emotinally addicted to the things he wants but doesn’t need.

          The friends thing I get because I know from direct experience that when your friends find girlfriends, they fade away from not having time to see you anymore or the girlfriend wants your friend to stop having single male friends. This can be very isolating. Otherwise, I agree obviously.

        • “This can be very isolating.”

          There is no question that being socially isolated causes a lot of real and pressing problems for men. So I agree that men dumping their friendships to stay with their girlfriends is damaging to the men they now ignore.

          However, this guy needs to wake up that getting a GF (since he’s nearing 40 and in the Reserves) is the worst solution. My comment to him was to try and shock him and wake him up (or others who are in the same situation and might read the comment).

          It’s tough but he needs to keep networking to find men that are not manginas as friends or social networks that are stable, like hobby clubs that meet on a regular schedule.

      • “This is a general thing, men do not get honesty when it comes to romance, just like they do not get honesyt in other areas of life.

        Men are seen as sub human.

        Romance is a losers game.”

        • Tamerlane said: “Also i have come to the conclusion that trad con men don’t really give a shit about kids, but only want to get women pregnant to tie them down to them.”

          Just today on another forum I wrote: “Men obsessed with marriage and having kids end up creating a world that puts heavy burdens (like national debt) and destroys their own values (like more onerous marriage laws) for their kids. it’s a dead end game that immorally punishes their own kids.”

          They have to pander to the women and throw other men under the bus and their own kids to get this arrangement.

          You are correct, they are insanely selfish and attack other men who are not also insanely selfish to cover up their lack of morality – they hope no one will notice their deflection.

        • Colltaine recently did a great video on marraige.

          Married trad cons flood his channel, and can’t counter anything he says about marriage.

          They have to bring children into the debate. “What about the children?” This is deflection as the conversation was not about children. Even if the conversation was about children, marriage offers men no protection in regards to their rights as a father.

          If a man is stupid enough to breed, he might as well do it outside of marraige.

          Then trad cons conflate relationships with marriage.

          “You will be lonely, why do you want to avoid women?”

          Then the trad cons then do personal attacks and call you losers.

          If something is such a great sell, you wouldn’t lose your temper if someone is refusing to buy it. You would just shrug your shoulders and move on. The fact trad cons are losing their mind over rejection of male slavery is very telling.

          This is why I have been saying that trad cons are the primary enemy of men, a far bigger threat than feminists. Trad cons are deranged and obsessive about women.

          This is the video in question.

          Colttine doesn’t wear the MGTOW label, I think he has quietly dropped it, as he must likely realizes mgtow has been hijacked by trad cons now.

        • Colttaine may have never ever been MGTOW. He is a hedonist.

          He wants good food, a steady job with modest stress, fun cars and motorcycles, some sex and he considers that a good life. Hedonism is bunk philosophically, but he doesn’t care. He’s 6’4″, good-looking, charming and gets sex with other men’s wives, so he doesn’t care about anything other than trying to min/max his hedonism. He’s sort-of “going his own way” because he can get some sex for minimal effort and more sex means too much more effort on the margin.

          A lot of his videos are about maximizing hedonism. It’s why he’ll never really clinch the argument against tradcons, because they can always claim that they are seeking meaning. Yes the tradcons are going about searching for meaning in the wrong way but so is Colttaine. This seeking happiness nonsense leads to men wanting a lot of access to attractive women. You have to be a little more introspective to have “distance” from women, both hedonists and tradcons aren’t really interested in that.

      • Another red flag is men who collect awful female dating profiles to post on meme boards. “Look,” they say, “dating is just getting worse.”

        They are deflecting and rationalizing. Things wouldn’t be better for them if the women were very pretty.

        They want to go back to the plantation and are complaining they can’t find a master.

  6. “Colttaine may have never ever been MGTOW. He is a hedonist.

    He wants good food, a steady job with modest stress, fun cars and motorcycles, some sex and he considers that a good life. Hedonism is bunk philosophically, but he doesn’t care. He’s 6’4″, good-looking, charming and gets sex with other men’s wives, so he doesn’t care about anything other than trying to min/max his hedonism. He’s sort-of “going his own way” because he can get some sex for minimal effort and more sex means too much more effort on the margin.

    A lot of his videos are about maximizing hedonism. It’s why he’ll never really clinch the argument against tradcons, because they can always claim that they are seeking meaning. Yes the tradcons are going about searching for meaning in the wrong way but so is Colttaine. This seeking happiness nonsense leads to men wanting a lot of access to attractive women. You have to be a little more introspective to have “distance” from women, both hedonists and tradcons aren’t really interested in that.”

    Aren’t trad cons hedonists? just ones not honest about it?

    • I think it is a front, I think deep down colttaine hates the injustices that men face. He just believes it is hopeless.

      if he was just a Hedonist he wouldn’t be against marriage.

    • OK, I will admit I cannot read anyone’s mind. So I can’t be 100% sure about Colttaine. Yes, I think he has said it is hopeless.

      But isn’t that part of the problem, men who hate the injustice and think it is hopeless? How little they think of their fellow men that they just shrug and think the men won’t wake up. But he makes videos, so he can’t think it’s completely hopeless – he has to save his own “soul” and say something.

      If he’s not 100% hedonist but a mix, and not as introspective as I’d like to see, then yes I agree, but well, he keeps falling back to the hedonism as a “solution”.

    • “Aren’t trad cons hedonists? just ones not honest about it?”

      Not really, they have faith in symolism, tradition and usually religion and female worship as a path to meaning, not just pleasure. So they have an ideology and become rather inflexible and attack whatever or whomever pops their bubble.

      • “Not really, they have faith in symolism, tradition and usually religion and female worship as a path to meaning”

        They want to pander to women due to a strange sexual fetish they have. All their idoelgoyt is about that, so I consider it rationalization for their hedonism.

        Drug addicts sacrifice to buy drugs, still hedonism, just because a drug addict risks going to jail to commit crime to get his fix.

        A trad con is working like a slave to get his fix of female validation, he is still a addict and a hedonist, just one addicted to female validation.

        Do not under estimate how deranged and selfish trad cons are..

        • At the risk of going back and forth about hedonism, epicurianism, ideology, etc. I just want to point out that while trad cons want pleasure in their wives and family, they often reject prostitues (or are ashamed and hide their use of prostitutes).

          Why? If they also provide pleasure as hedonists they could do it. No, they want the ego boost of female acceptance with a long-term woman. This really speaks to their ego identity and a type of ideology. Just food for thought, no need to splice it any further.

        • I would just like to add, that egg gratification is a type of hedonism.

          This is why politics fails in general, people are not honest, and just want a political identity to make them feel good, they do not care if their political factions that they support does anything for them or society as a whole.

  7. “There is no question that being socially isolated causes a lot of real and pressing problems for men. So I agree that men dumping their friendships to stay with their girlfriends is damaging to the men they now ignore.”

    The owner of MGTOW.co took his secret forum down for a year, now it is back up and he is talking about getting dumped by his girlfriend and feeling suicidal.

    Men are not able to compartmentalize their relationships with women. I think men are just as solipsistic as women. Too many men are unable to keep any focus on life outside women.

    I think men who bail on other men for women, and then come back crying, need to be shunned. These men are a complete waste of time interacting with.

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