49 comments on “Going To Space Is The Ultimate Form Of Ghosting

  1. Hostility to technology is one more thing feminists and various kinds of tradcucks and right-wingers have in common, btw.

    Different kinds of right-wingers might not be able to agree on since when exactly technology has become bad (since the smartphone? since social media? since mass media? since the industrialization?) but they all share this deep hostility and this idea that it was only modern media that allowed women to go crazy. Without technology, their reasoning goes, women had to drop their act and rely on men again to protect them from the mammoths.

    The simple fact that it depends on in whose hands a technology is and what interests these groups have, is somehow beyond them. People can rather imagine the end of electricity than the end of the surveillance state. It’s sad.

    WIth women, there seem to be those who really do have this kind of romanticized views on pre-industrial socities. “Deep Green Resistance” is one of these groups where tehy seem to claim that most modern diseases are only the result of modernity and that people in a foggy distant stone age didn’t really have major diseases or problems with, say, their teeth or bones or whatever.

    But an equally large part of women, less outspoken and less visible in the mainstream media but still there, just imagines a tradcuck utopia where the “weak” men perish and the “strong” men protect and feed them.

    And generally speaking, this understandable discomfort increasingly many people feel in our modern world turns into an ideological hostility towards technology. They believe technology is to blame.

    • “a tradcuck utopia where the “weak” men perish and the “strong” men protect and feed them. ”

      They don’t know that the truth of those tribal strongman societies is that women do all the work. Women plough the fields. And they suck at it – physically smaller, and they have to nurse babies and care for infants while they do it. And that’s why those societies are poor.

      The genius of monogamy is that it offers young men a meaningful future if they work.

        • Future as a father to a family. A son to raise, to teach your trade, carry on your name. That’s the payoff, and for many, many men it’s totally worth it. Now that that payoff is no longer on the table, men are going their own way.

        • A slave to work the farm, also who cares if someone carries on your name or not? not going to around to see it.

          Also the mgtow label is useless. “Going your own way” means nothing, and most mgtows are plastic anyway.

          Also the payoff is still on the table, the price is too high and more risks are associated with it.

      • I think you are more or less right about polygamous tribal societies. They sucked fo women, at least compared to today. They had to work the fields, while carrying infants on their backs, or else they didn’t get to eat. It also sucked for most men, not that monogamy doesn’t suck for men too. Monogamy shielded men from being booted out, but they had to work like slaves instead.

  2. quoting from the article:

    >Not only, according to researchers, do women generally have a greater environmental conscience when it comes to the planet we currently live on

    What are they doing about it? They bitch about it on social media at best, and they keep buying useless shit like high heels and the 134th handbag meanwhile producing these is one of the main contributors to environmental destruction as most of these are made of plastic which comes from oil, and most of plastic is either burnt when it’s no longer used or it just ends up in the ocean.

    Her hypocritical stupidity reminds me of HC’s “women are the primary victims of war” bullshit.

    • Women deselect humble low status men, if a man is not providing he is going to get booted out of his home and alienated from his kids.
      men do plunder the planet, but they do so for women, to appease the women that socially dominate them and hold their kids hostage.

      • He might get kicked out even if he does everything, because women have it way too easy and they’re “bored” and they don’t see men as human. Most of the “manosphere” knows this, but each faction reacts differently. PUAs go out of their way to entertain women, while the misandrist tradcon type (like TFM) wants a societal collapse so women won’t have it easy anymore… which would also weed out their competition. We MGTOWs either don’t care or we just don’t see this battle as winnable (I’m in the latter camp). So what is THE solution? I honestly have no idea, but raising awareness online about the state of things is a start. My little part is showing MGTOW among my fellow countrymen, especially those who are low status and can’t speak English (only 20% do, according to an older statistic).

        • ” We MGTOWs either don’t care or we just don’t see this battle as winnable (I’m in the latter camp). ”

          The battle is winnable, saying “the battle is not winnable” is a post hoc rationalisation not to do anything. Gynocenterism is the result of male apathy, it s the label we give to the social system that is the result of it.

          ” I honestly have no idea, but raising awareness online about the state of things is a start.”

          I agree, but the good MGTOW content makers are drowned out by the trad con trash, and they are not rising anyone’s understanding.

          When society doesn’t give men the ability to breed safely, they drop out and go their own way.

          When men can breed safely, they put up with all sorts of crap from society.

          Another reason I do not like the MGTOW label anymore, I do not want to define myself by my rejection of relationships, that is not radical or good enough. Just rejecting women is not going to do anything.

        • The battle might be winnable, but not in the current conditions. Most men are brainwashed to be white knights, and that’s why I disagree with the notion of an all-male country (white knights will nuke us in a heartbeat once a bitch complains about us). Doing this head-on will be our undoing. On the other hand, we can go the Vietnamese route: guerrilla warfare, they managed to beat both the USA and China when those tried to occupy them. The same way, we can do activism online (and ghost IRL) and raising awareness can go a long way.

          I agree with MGTOW being invaded by shitty elements (I’d have to be willfully ignorant otherwise) but I won’t give up on the label just yet. The tradcon bullshit can be debunked and decoded, subtle misandric elements can be exposed for what they really are etc.

  3. “What this feminist is afraid of (and should be afraid of) is that any man worth his salt will leave Earth once the option is available. When productive men leave Earth en masse”

    This won’t happen. The logistics of it are just not feasible, not without Star Trek technology. There isn’t enough kerosene and LOX in the world to lift anything like a significant number of people out of earth’s gravitational well.

    If Mars is colonized, it wont be “we” who colonizes it – you and me. It will be some few dozen people, some specially chosen government or corporate employees. But let’s say it’s more, let’s say it’s as many as a thousand. Well, bravo for them, but you and I will still be stuck down here. Same as almost everybody else.

    And if Mars is colonized, get real, it will be by couples. What system of government they might choose to adopt is a matter for speculation. Whether that includes today’s gynocracy is something we can also only speculate about.

    • Logistically, something the size of the current airline industry is enough to facilitate migration into space. Obviously, we don’t have the technology to do that yet. Despite that fact women and manginas are worried that men are secretly plotting to escape Earth. This article is the latest in a long line from women and manginas attacking space exploration and colonization as something that men do (or will do) that harms women. I can’t see anyone that paranoid going into space. A feminist wrote an article a while back that said that the first women to be raped in space have already been born. If they think space is a place where women get raped, then they aren’t going to space.

      • ” If they think space is a place where women get raped, then they aren’t going to space.”

        The women do not really believe they, they are just trying to emotionally abuse men by accusing them of rape.

        Women who talk about their being a rape culture knows that there is no such thing, no matter what they say. As you have said yourself, women do not behave like they are living in a rape culture.

        • You know it takes conspiracy theory to deny the existence of rape culture?

          Rape culture objectively exists, it is documented in numerous studies done by independent researchers.

        • “You know it takes conspiracy theory to deny the existence of rape culture?
          Rape culture objectively exists, it is documented in numerous studies done by independent researchers.”

          I think you need banning.

        • And when I ridicule your most favorite tactic of discarding other person’s opinion you threaten to ban.

        • Feminists like you ban people all the time.

          Turn about is fair play.

          You are just a troll trying to play pointless semantic games

        • Pointless semantic games? Is that how you named me calling you out on a refusal to judge events by a single standard?
          Here’s the deal: I will keep calling you out until you learn to provide proof for every word that comes babbling out of your gob.

        • If researchers agree on the existence of rape culture, either it exists or there’s a conspiracy among scholars.

          If scientists agree on the subject of the global warming, either it as they say or researchers conspire to conceal the truth.

          You are the guy who can dish it out but not take it.

  4. feminism cannot exist on the frontier. space exploration can only be done by people willing to take risks, and that has never been women.

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  6. If men carry on ghosting and refuse to work for their collective self interest, they will carry on being marginalised. Only a few exceptional men will ever be able to “escape”

    Ghosting is the reaction of indifferent anti social men who have no affinity with other men. “I am not able to safely bribe a woman to reproduce, so therefore I will go my own way.”

    There is always the prospect of men being able to bribe women, the hope that a woman can be bribed safely, so men will carry on endorsing the current system.

    The baby dick cutting, male slavery, male disposablity, male violence, male neglect system. Men are fine with it, they only complain about women not putting out, or the price being too high.

    Ghosting is a dead end, history has always been full of ghosts, and they have done nothing to change the course of history.

    What is the gynocracy?it is the social system that is the result of male apathy and indifference, it is as simple as that..

    • You should keep in mind that ghosting is the only safe option right now, at least until there’s far more of us. There are lots of white knights who WILL beat you up or kill you for daring to hurt a woman’s feelings, and society actively encourages this. I’ve seen it happen a few times when I was younger.

      >Ghosting is a dead end, history has always been full of ghosts, and they have done nothing to change the course of history.

      The internet changes everything. We can ghost IRL and do our activism online. We can speak out against women and gynocentrism without having to fear repercussions in our lives. As the mainstream media catches on and publishes articles about us women will be more worried because they have no idea what’s the earning power and social status of MGTOW men. Sure, they’ll shame us as losers, and some men indeed earn minimal wage or less but they have no idea how many. How many MGTOW are doctors, how many are software developers, how many are CEOs? The potential meal ticket seems to slip away.

      Speaking out against male genital mutilation, being treated like shit all our lives and other issues will only add to this (reasons to go MGTOW), while we can also help men by giving them the information they need. Think of mentally ill men who feel ashamed to seek help from the healthcare system. Think of BPD men who are universally hated by almost everyone despite just being a victim of their abusive mothers. Of all my years in the manosphere I’ve seen NO ONE speaking about this. There’s lots of talk about BPD women and how to avoid them (or manage if you’re trapped), and it’s important, but what about the other side of the coin? What about helping autistic men? I’m not talking about helping them getting laid, I’m talking about helping them get by in life. Have you seen anyone directing them to any helpful material? I don’t think you have, but you’ve probably seen autism used as an insult.

      Sorry for the ramble, folks.

      • There are lots of safe things men could do, that is more proactive, men are not just inclined to, and create threat narratives to make excuses not to do anything.

        the MGTOW label attracts anti social men, and for some reason it attracts kooks. You could have 100 million mgotws all over the world, and they would not do anything.

        Male collectivism is the only way, or men are fucked. I honestly believe that.

        • What do you exactly mean by anti social men? It’s frequently used for both ASPD and those who’re simply content with not going out every chance they get.

          Kooks are everywhere. I’m yet to see a larger group of people that don’t have any. There’re kooks in every political movement, every social group that revolves around an activity (like chess lovers or long distance runners), but the internet amplifies their voices.

          As of MGTOW not doing anything, it doesn’t have to do much, and it doesn’t prohibit you from any kind of activism (might not be the best example, but johntheother used to be both MRA and MGTOW, but now he has given up on the MRM).

          I don’t know if male collectivism will solve this, but there have to be incentives that are strong enough to counter gynocentrism and the innate male infighting. Also, male collectivism is largely undefined, I’ve got no idea about the concrete goals, the way we should achieve them nor can I find many points to constructively criticize so the theory/movement improves.

          I’d actually recommend you should open a blog of sorts where you can work out this idea in detail, then invite those you might think would be sympathetic or are open minded enough to expand on it. You can easily support that with a youtube channel, but having it written makes it easier to search, improve and eventually translate.

      • Ghosting is basically sour grapes, with a touch of bravado. Men are withdrawing from society because they cannot find a woman under conditions they are comfortable with, acting all tough and pretending that they never wanted to be part of society in the first place. The talk about safety is post hoc rationalization. I’m not saying that there are no safety concerns, but they should be dealt with rationally as opposed to being used as an excuse for passivity.

        • I disagree. Peer pressure and lifelong brainwashing is what drives some guys into shitty relationships and marriages, and finding MGTOW will actually make more sense for this kind of men (including me). We get so little out of the gynocentric deal and there’re so many obligations it’s simply not worth it, especially if you don’t want children to begin with.

        • I am not telling men to man up and marry, quite the opposite. I have a problem with ghosting in the more general sense because it is self-marginalizing.

        • >I have a problem with ghosting in the more general sense because it is self-marginalizing

          That depends on the individual. It’ll be self-marginalizing to a man who is highly social, but it’ll be the ultimate freedom for the lone wolf type.

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  8. Going to space requires massive amounts of capital to finance the logistics, produce all the necessary components, train hundreds if not thousands of employees and so on. In the final stage of capitalism, we are witnessing the monopolization of all capital in the hands of a few US billionaires, though.

    And this mega-capital doesn’t really have any interest in male empowerment. They rather want to destroy all capital that is still independent and yet in the hands of the Russian and the Chinese ruling class, and some parts of the Western “middle class.”

    If you want to go to space, you will soon become a part of some “axis of evil” and to defend yourself against this, you need even MORE massive amounts of capital. Not only Mao Zedong knew that “all power grows out of the barrel of guns.” And that these guns have to be PAID for, every US President knew as well.

    We shouldn’t be too naive about peacefully escaping into space. It’s essentially the high-tech version of /pol/’s “go and live innawoods”. But once you appear on the radar screen of the ruling class, they will attack you.

    So I agree with tamerlame on this one. (I guess). We need a kind of male collectivism in the sense of creating male “class consciousness” in lack of a better word. Men have to realize that they have interests as men.

    • It’s a good thing that US billionaires include men like Musk, Bezos, Branson (well he’s British), etc. who are interested in space. Let them do the work for us. Once you’re in orbit, you’re halfway to anywhere in the universe. By the time women and manginas realize that something has happened, it will be too late (assuming everything hasn’t fallen apart on Earth by then).

      The Russian and Chinese ruling classes and the Western middle class can go fuck themselves for all I care. It does not matter whether the gynocrats who rule the world are American or Chinese or anything else except that the American ones may produce something useful like technology to go into space.

  9. As a side note: I don’t want to give away too much about my RL, but I’m currently waiting for some important feedback re: work. This will come from two women and a man I deal with directly. And while I’m skeptical about the bitches, I know for sure that the man supports me 100%. I’ve actually talked with him about all this. The women have more problems with my work, while the man supports me 100%.

    And I have to say, it’s a terrible thing to be even a little dependent on (the opinions of) women. But it’s an AWESOME thing, an awesome feeling when you know that you and other men support each other and have each other’s back when it comes to work or whatever.

    And I think we need THIS in a social, political dimension.

    When men love each other romantically/sexualized, this is scandalized for anti-gay reasons. But it feels to me that even more scandalous these days is if men LIKE each other.

    I sometimes feel as if me LIKING other men (like the man in my example) is even more dangerous in the eyes of women, as if I would romantically love other men.

    I support gay rights and don’t want to play out one against the other, but sometimes it really feels to me as if LIKING men is even more scandalous today than LOVING men…

  10. “What do you exactly mean by anti social men? It’s frequently used for both ASPD and those who’re simply content with not going out every chance they get.”

    Anti social men are men who do not give a shit about others. They do not want to work collectively, and only care about women.

    “Kooks are everywhere. I’m yet to see a larger group of people that don’t have any. There’re kooks in every political movement, every social group that revolves around an activity (like chess lovers or long distance runners), but the internet amplifies their voices.”

    MGTOW has more kooks than most communities. It has gotten worse since the trad cons have taken over MGTOW. 99% of trad cons are conspiracy theorists of some sort.

    “As of MGTOW not doing anything, it doesn’t have to do much,”

    What does that even mean?

    ” and it doesn’t prohibit you from any kind of activism (might not be the best example, but johntheother used to be both MRA and MGTOW, but now he has given up on the MRM).”

    I have seen MGTOWs trying to discourage people from activism, MGTOWs do not want to do anything, they can;t admit they are not doing anything because of being cowards, so they have to tell people not doing anything is hopeless. They are trying to rationalise their life choices and tell others to live the same way.

    “It;s hopeless, you can’t fight against the gynocenteric system”

    Is nonsense, and false. I think even a little bit of push back would lead to some changes for men.

    The thing is it wouldn’t lead to men getting more women, and that is the only thing most MGTOW care about.

    “I don’t know if male collectivism will solve this, but there have to be incentives that are strong enough to countergynocentrism and the innate male infighting”.

    What do you mean counter gynocenterism? The term is a descriptive label for a female centred society.

    “Also, male collectivism is largely undefined, I’ve got no idea about the concrete goals, the way we should achieve them nor can I find many points to constructively criticize so the theory/movement improves.”

    There is no male collectivist movement, that is the problem. When I talk about collectivism, I get called a communist.

    All political groups are collectivist, and if you want to change the world you need to be part of a group, this is basic realpolitik.

    MGTOW attracts GALT types, and most GALTS do not want to help other men, because they are resent filled and right wing, they would rather suffer than help other men. The mgtow label is trash as it attracts shallow egotistical people. People use the label to posture and gratify their own egos.

    Also most MGTOWs are just one blow job away, and are trad cons.

  11. “The Man In The Orbital Castle
    on March 16, 2018 at 10:24 am said:
    Then what do you think men should do? You seem to be concern trolling any possible option.”

    Men have to work collectively together.

    Women want men to ghost, because men who ghost do not push back against female social dominance.

  12. “That depends on the individual. It’ll be self-marginalizing to a man who is highly social, but it’ll be the ultimate freedom for the lone wolf type.”

    This is bravado, and your talking on a individual level anyway.

    The typical member of the ghosting community is no “alpha” lone wolve going their own way putting their fingers up to the system, that is a strong man narrative, that is completely false. It may be emotionally gratifying for men to tell themselves things that comfort them, but it is not going to help them.

    Men ghosting is not going to fix things on a systematic level, male marginalisation can only be fixed on systematic level.

    The fact men talk about ghosting instead of taking collective action, or even bringing it up is part of the reason why men are marginalised, in fact talk about ghosting is toxic.

  13. Regardless of the gynocentric nature of the world: manned space exploration is a waste of time and resources that would be put to better use with unmanned exploration.We cannot travel past the visible Universe anyway.

    • Sam –

      You say, “We cannot travel past the visible Universe anyway.”

      Not yet.

      The manufacturers of horse-drawn carriages and buggy whips were not available for comment.
      This is a long game that we’re playing, my friend, and it requires long-range vision and planning.
      We’re fighting against the limitations of both our biology (inherent gynosocialism, limited lifespan, limited resources, an ever-expanding population, etc) and our technology (chemically-fueled rockets and their high-impulse, low ∆V thrust capacity).
      What is needed is a cheap, high-impulse, high ∆V alternative to chemical rocket engines.
      I have no idea what can fill that requirement, but I strongly suspect that NASA, Glavkosmos, the ESA, JSA, Mr. Musk, and Mr. Branson are all working on it.
      It will take time. Maybe it will take too long to let us escape the resource wars that have already begun.
      Earth is well on its way to becoming Larry Niven’s Pak home world, or its equally dreadful cousin, ‘Mote Prime’, from his novel, “The Mote in God’s Eye”.

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