In the book 1984, there is an alleged group called The Brotherhood that is trying to overthrow the state of Oceania. The Brotherhood is alleged because given the nature of propaganda and lack of information on Oceanian society, there is no way to know if it really exists. The main chracter even asks at one point if The Brotherhood is real and is told that even if lives decades he will never know. Effectively The Brotherhood does not exist because even if it did, the way the government of Oceania describes The Brotherhood is completely different than reality. What is called The Brotherhood does not exist. The government of Oceania constantly produces propaganda on how The Brotherhood is wrong yet according to them The Brotherhood never stops being a threat. That same propaganda says that anything bad that happens is caused by The Brotherhood. No matter what happens The Brotherhood is able to cause major damage and only seems to get more powerful.
Incels are treated the same way The Brotherhood in 1984 is because incels are blamed for bad things (or things that are considered bad by dominant political ideologies even if sad things aren’t actually bad) that they had nothing to do with. Incels are constantly connected to #GamerGate, the MRM, and to MGTOW, but the worst is blaming acts of criminal violence on incels. Lots of people believe that the most recent school shooting was caused by an incel because of this story about how the shooter was supposedly rejected by a girl. The response to that article has been things like, “Sounds like he was another incel”, “You’ll never get a date now, virgin”, “So, another incel takes his frustrations out on innocent people. Great.”, “there exist terrifying similarities between the way the most incels and serial killers think”, and “It might be at the point where we have to take out the incels before they do it to us.” It turns out that this story is completely wrong and anti-incel propaganda. The source of this story is the mother of the girl that allegedly rejected the shooter who had no way of knowing whether this happened. The mother of the girl that allegedly rejected the shooter was not involved in her daughter’s life so this is all made up.
This is not the only example of incels being falsely accused of violence/terrorism. Alek Minassian, the guy in Toronto who ran over those people in a van, is an incel right? Tim Pool, the only journalist to investigate whether Alek Minassian was an incel, discovered that there is no evidence that Alek Minassian is an incel. Minassian’s facebook profile is only linked to known trolls and the post itself was posted when Minassian was already in custody.
The Florida school shooting earlier this year was also blamed on the shooter allegedly being an incel. In this case the shooter had a girlfriend but this is used as evidence that he was an incel. Once comment at that link said, “Yeah but it still fits the m.o. of the average incel. Abusive towards women”. In 1984 terms, this is an example of double think where domestic violence is blamed on incel men even though incel men can’t be committing any domestic violence since they never have a wife or a girlfriend. This is a reoccuring theme I have noticed in discussions about incel men even though it is impossive for incel men to commit domestic violence by definition.
It’s not just school shootings and other violent acts that are falsely blamed on incel men. People are acting like incels are hiding under their beds. That can be seen with Ellen Pao’s recent tweet about how incels have embedded in tech companies as if incel men are a conspiracy invading and taking over tech companies. Incels are also often referred to as a “movement”. Incels are not a movement. They are group of men with a similar condition. Referring to incels as a “movement” is to attempt to imply there is some sort of coordination between incels and organization of incels. This is not the first time the idea of an “incel domestic terrorist organization” has been pushed. I have previously documented how there have been demands that boys suspected of being potential incels start being tracked in third grade, that incel men be tracked by the NSA, that incel men be castrated, and concetration camps be created for incel men.
There are some differences between how The Brotherhood is treated in Oceania in 1984 and how incels are treated. In 1984 the government of Oceania would never say that The Brotherhood had infiltrated and taken over ministries of the government. Incel men have been accused of infiltrating (or having sympathiers in) law enforcement and the national security establishment. According to people who believe this, this is why shootings by incels keep happening and “nothing is done” about them. One of them said:
The FBI has already had several chances to stop these guys, but Agent No Reply continues to be Agent No Show.
I know there are many fine officers of law enforcement, but how many MRAs are there in LEA, FBI, CIA, NSA, Homeland Security? How many white nationalists? Percentage higher than that of the general population? Any way to even know?
It’s not like these are particularly feminist agencies (Google the stats for female officers and agents. 80+% male is typical.).
Are women’s safety issues being downplayed or outright silently dismissed because the guys in charge of our safety are part of the problem?
Another important difference is the source of anti-incel propaganda. In 1984, all of the propaganda about The Brotherhood came from the Oceanian government, specifically the Ministry of Truth. When it comes to incels, there is no top down government ministry of truth producing anti-incel propaganda. Anti-incel propaganda is a grassroots bottom up phenomenon. This is one reason why government agencies are accused of being infiltrated by incels or sympathetic to incels. The government has no policy of purging incels or worrying about incels since it has no reason to do so. While there is no government ministry of truth producing anti-incel propaganda, the techniques and tactics used against incels by individuals volunteeting to produce anti-incel propagada are very similar to those used in 1984.
Red Shambhala wrote the following about Deep Green Resistance in response to my last blog entry.
Hostility to technology is one more thing feminists and various kinds of tradcucks and right-wingers have in common, btw.
Different kinds of right-wingers might not be able to agree on since when exactly technology has become bad (since the smartphone? since social media? since mass media? since the industrialization?) but they all share this deep hostility and this idea that it was only modern media that allowed women to go crazy. Without technology, their reasoning goes, women had to drop their act and rely on men again to protect them from the mammoths.
The simple fact that it depends on in whose hands a technology is and what interests these groups have, is somehow beyond them. People can rather imagine the end of electricity than the end of the surveillance state. It’s sad.
With women, there seem to be those who really do have this kind of romanticized views on pre-industrial socities. “Deep Green Resistance” is one of these groups where tehy seem to claim that most modern diseases are only the result of modernity and that people in a foggy distant stone age didn’t really have major diseases or problems with, say, their teeth or bones or whatever.
Deep Green Resistance is about trying to return to a mythical past. To call their view of the past romanticized is correct but an understatement. They have a deep paranoia about both the future and even the modern world.
Despite what the Deep Green Resisters may say, it is not about the environment in any way. This can be best seen by looking at women and their relationship to makeup and skincare products. If a woman truly cared about the environment (instead of using the environment for meaningless virtue signaling), she would stop using makeup and skincare products completely. The chemicals used for such products pollute the environment yet women demand more and more of them just as they demand more and more useless junk whose creation also pollutes the environment. When it is pointed out to women that they are consumerists polluting the environment, they come up with bizarre defenses like saying that they are engaging in subersive anti-capitalism, self-preservation, political warfare, and fighting Donald Trump. (Also, women will also tell us how “natural” their makeup and skincare products are so clearly they believe that their makeup and skincare products would somehow survive a return to a pre-industrial world.)
Deep Green Resistance is extremely pervasive. It can be found in most poltical ideologies and among most groups. From women we get paranoia about everything from space exploration to sexbots. Space and sexbots aren’t going to be something that can be used in the short term (and perhaps not even the mid term) yet women are paranoid about it. They insticually know that technology will help men (even in cases where it won’t happen for a long time like with space and sexbots) and that drives women to wanting to return to a pre-industrial world.
The manuresphere is also Deep Green Resistance. The single best example is the paleo diet. It’s right there in the name. Somehow if you just eat the diet that according to them our ancestors ate you will never have to worry about most diseases. In reality, our ancestors ate whatever was available just to survive. If you lived in a pre-industrial society, and tried eating paleo, it won’t protect you from disease. One of the first problems would be scurvy, and it gets worse from there.
Conspiracies theories are also Deep Green Resistance. Whether the conspiracy theory is about the “patriarchy”, the Jews, the Illuminati, bankers or any other group, every conspiracy theory says that technology serves the group in charge. Even the women in STEM push follows this model because it is based on the belief is that white men are conspiring to control technology as a form of oppression. Having more women work in technology would be destructive but that would be fine for the Deep Green Resisters. Even the events that led to #GamerGate had some Deep Green Resistance in its mix because gamers are pro-technology men by definition.
Deep Green Resistance can also be found in false beliefs about history. Feminsts believe that matriarchial socities existed before the historical record and were overthrown my patriarchial societies with (minimal) technology. The manuresphere along with tradcucks believes that modern technology has corrupted women (and this it due to men weilding technology). All of this is wrong.
Technology has exposed the true nature of women, and that is the big reason why they hate technology so much. And that is why we must oppose Deep Green Resistance wherever it comes from.
As we know women make a lot of false accusations whether it’s about rape, sexual harassment, or lots of other things. When they get caught making false accusations, they (and their mangina defenders) often will use the excuse that they were just trying to start a conversation (or dialogue or discussion). Obviously, it’s bullshit, but that doesn’t stop others from using the same excuse, namely conspiracy theorists. For example, Smultronstället said this.
I guess it is because of this that I still have kind of a soft spot in my heart for Alex Jones. Because these infowars-guys … say what you want about them, but at least they recognized that they were ruled by people who had different INTERESTS, who were not simply misinformed but malicious.
Let’s remember the context of this. Alex Jones has falsely accused a lot of men of raping and sexually abusing children. (This is something we see every conspiracy theorist do.) PizzaGate is one of the biggest examples, but far from the only one. The Chobani corporation is suing Alex Jones because Jones falsely accused Chobani and its owner facilitating the rape and sexual abuse of children. Raping or sexually abusing children is one of the most vile crimes in existence. Falsely accusing someone of that crime is equally as vile. Yet, conspiracy theorists like Smultronstället defend this by saying that at least Alex Jones started a conversation about how the “ruling class” having different interests than the rest of the population. Putting aside that the issue of whether the “ruling class” has different interests to the rest of the population is more complex than that, it is clear that the nearly all of “ruling class” has no interest in raping and sexually abusing children, just like everyone else.
Just as both women and conspiracy theorists expect us to “listen and believe”, both groups think it is perfectly acceptable to falsely accuse men of the most vile of crimes. In fact, the false accusations that women and conspiracy theorists make are practically the same. The only difference is whether men are falsely accused of raping women or of raping children. Since they’re so similar it’s not a surprise that when caught by their lies, they both use the excuse that they were just trying to “start a conversation”.
Alex Jones was one of the conspiracy theorist morons promoting PizzaGate. (PizzaGate was the false accusation that Comet Pizza in DC was child sex abuse ring for the Democrats.) A few days ago, Alex Jones “apologized” for promoting PizzaGate. Why did Alex Jones issue an “apology” for PizzaGate? It has to be the first time he has ever done so. It is because he was about to run into real legal trouble. The day he “apologized” was the last day he could “apologize” for PizzaGate and not be sued for libel under Texas law.
In other words, Alex Jones is a coward if he actually believes in conspiracy theory. Regardless Alex Jones proved that conspiracy theory is bullshit since this is just an example of how conspiracy theorists won’t stand up for their beliefs if they run into any real trouble. (What else can you expect from a man who was against government surveillance but then changed his mind as long as Trump was in charge?) It gets in the way of their scams selling “male enhancement” products and other garbage.
In the past I have talked about The Gay Virgin Player Rapist canard, how men who stand up for themselves against gynocratic thinking get accused of being multiple contradictory bad things at once. For example, being gay yet also a rapist of women. A gay man would not have any interest in raping women. Or, being a virgin yet also a player or a rapist. How could a virgin be a player or a rapist since either would mean that the “virgin” can’t be a virgin? It’s inherently contradictory and impossible. The reason why a man gets attacked as a gay virgin player rapist is because the attackers are really saying, “this man doesn’t bow to gynocratic thinking”. Each part of gay virgin player rapist is something that negatively impacts women. Gay men and virgin men aren’t spending their money on women. Players play women which mean women don’t get what they want. And rapists are just evil. The gay virgin player rapist canard is the Just World Fallacy run amok by attempting to paint a man as maximally evil even though it makes no sense and is impossible due to the contradictions.
I have realized that the gay virgin player rapist canard needs in some cases to be expanded when I read this comment where I was simultaneously accused of being a loser, a virgin, and a (Jewish) overlord. (The author of that comment believes that Jews run the world and that I’m Jewish. Thus, according to him I am one of the rulers of the world.) Obviously, this is contradictory. If I was such a loser, how can I be a part of the group that rules the world? How could I be a virgin? My fellow Jewish overlords would just give me some sex slaves or something.
The Loser Overlord canard is very common among everyone from white vagina worshiping nationalists to feminists. All of anti-semetic thought argues that both the Jews are defective, yet they are so intelligent, capable, and powerful that they run the world. To feminists, men who disagree with them are both losers, yet these losers are a part of the patriarchy that rules the world. It’s all the same contradictory argument that is impossible due to the contradictions.
All this proves is that women and manginas are incapable of rational thought. Otherwise, I would get better attacks that would at least be internally consistent instead of mishmash of contradictions.
Conspiracy theories are more pervasive among women than you realize. The reason you may not have noticed this fact is because a conspiracy theory only tends to get called a conspiracy theory if a man says it. For example, you don’t see skeptics spending time on exposing conspiracy theories like the incel virgin domestic terrorist organization conspiracy theories or the conspiracy theory that the MRM has taken over local, state, & federal law enforcement along with the national security & intelligence agencies.
Another reason you may not realize how pervasive conspiracy theories are among women because it involves pointless shit you don’t care about. For example, there are conspiracy theories about the action, Benedict Cumberbatch, and his wife, Sophie Hunter. There is a legion of female fans of Benedict Cumberbatch obsessed with him that believe Sophie Hunter is either a prostitute, a hired PR girlfriend, a blackmailer, a con artist, a domestic abuser, or mentally ill. They also believe that his marriage, his wife’s pregnancy, and the existence of their child are are fake. They even believe that anytime Benedict Cumberbatch has been seen with his child, that he was actually carrying around a plastic doll.
The conspiracy theories that women believe in are no better than the conspiracy theories that the manuresphere believes in. The only difference is that when it comes to conspiracy theories women are not getting called out like men do. Women are getting a pussy pass when it comes to conspiracy theories and are not being held to the same standard as men.
Dr. van nostrand said the following.
Slight OT: I wonder how much this cuckservative silliness ties into white nationalist own feelings of sexual inadequacy. I mean if u look at how they describe the black male sexual vitality as a threat , it sounds damn near pornographic. .”aggressive “,”muscular”,”dominant “,”predatory”,”virile” are words that often come up. It’s like almostike reading 50 shades of gray with all these racist oh Im sorry I mean race realist hbd blogs. BTW the cuck buster Donald Trump cheerleader Ann Coulter was herself mocked as a Coalburner until a couple of years ago for dating not just Indians and blacks but black Muslims with nation of Islam links as well.Guess neo nazis forgive and forget easily lol
A lot of the white vagina worshiping nationalist use of the word, cuck, has to do with feelings of sexual inadequacy, repressed homosexuality, etc. There is more to it. It’s a way to blame (black, Jewish, etc.) men for what white women have done. The only way for a man to be a “cuck” is if another man is involved. This lets the (white) woman off the hook for her behavior by blaming another man. This is what is at the heart of their racism, blaming black men, Jewish men, and other non-white men for what white women have done. White women are nothing more than victims of non-white men to white vagina worshiping nationalists, and so are they. This is the same thing that is seen in conspiracy theory. The conspiracy in a conspiracy theory is always made up of a group of men.
Since white vagina worshiping nationalists started using the word, cuck, I haven’t seen them use the word, mangina, at all. There is a reason for this. A mangina is a man is has submitted to and obeys women regardless of how it harms him. There is no other man involved so the white vagina worshiping nationalists would be forced to hold (white) women accountable for their actions. Obviously, white vagina worshiping nationalists don’t want to do this so they accuse men of being cucks instead of manginas so that they can blame men for what (white) women have done.
Tamerlame and Alexander MGTOW discuss conspiracy theory and adjacent subjects in this video.
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We have been talking a lot lately about the Cultural Marxism/Frankfurt School conspiracy theory. With this conspiracy theory, there is a lack of original references about cultural marxism from the Frankfurt School’s own texts. (This is common in a lot of conspiracy theories besides the cultural marxism conspiracy theory.) If you want to know what happens when you ask for an original source reference from cultural marxism conspiracy theorists, take a look at what happened when Boxer tried asked for a original source reference on the subject. (This was after another person who tried to pass off a youtube video as “proof” of the cultural marxism conspiracy theory which didn’t reference any original sources.)
Boxer, knock off the faux-scepticism. The Frankfurt School’s influence on Cultural Marxism is undeniable. They literally *invented the term*; they talk about it in their papers. The idea that it’s a conspiracy theory is Leftist whitewashing, and an attempt at covering their tracks to delude the masses.
Boxer then asks for the specific source where the Frankfurt School invented the term, “cultural marxism”. After that the conspiracy theorists do nothing but throw links at Boxer that have no references to any original source material and attack Boxer for asking for references to original source material. Boxer describes what is happening with an excellent analogy.
Citing sources that you’ve never read is a problem, no? It’d be like arguing that the author of Dalrock blog is a misogynist who has written articles on his blog encouraging men to play grab-ass with random chicks on the street. When (and it’d be when, not if) the claimant was asked for a source, he’d post links to Amanda Marcotte and Manboobz, who made that claim.
The problem with all these conspiracy theories is that the sources are mostly online, free for anyone to read. You’re going to run into people like me, who have read them all and written peer-reviewed journal articles on the original sources, who will have to say “he’s an internet kook” when people wonder where you’re pulling all this nonsense from. Sadly, it makes everything else you say suspect.
Whenever you ask a conspiracy theorist for a reference to original source material, they will almost never provide it. Instead they will give you youtube videos and other links that provide no references to original source material. They love youtube videos because they are trying to hide the fact that what they are saying has no connection to original source material. In the rare cases, you get a reference to a piece of original source material, one of two things will happen. Either the original source material never existed, or the original source material says something completely different.
Boxer makes an apt comparison to feminism. Feminists want you to “listen and believe” instead of investigating and evaluating evidence. Conspiracy theorists want you to “listen and believe” instead of investigating and evaluating evidence, too. This is another example of how feminism and conspiracy theory is similar. Never listen and believe. Always demand evidence and original source material. If someone whether a feminist or a conspiracy theorist refuses to produce references to original source material or produces false references to original source material, assume they are lying because most likely, they are.
Tamerlame asked about this Yuri Bezmenov video and why it is linked to antifeminism. If you bother to watch the video (and watching it is a waste of time), you will notice that feminism is not brought up at all in the video. So why is this video linked to antifeminism at all? There are two reasons. First, conspiracy theory is filled with old men who are fighting enemies that no longer exist like communists. They are incapable of dealing with the reality that communism is dead so they still imagine communist conspiracies.
Second, the video talks about what would be called “useful idiots” getting theirs. Conspiracy theorists don’t believe that feminism is actually bad. They believe that a secret entity is behind feminism, and that entity is bad. One thing that is either implied or explicitly stated in conspiracy theories about feminism is that whenever whoever is behind feminism is done with it, they will remove feminism. In the video, part of the plan for communist takeover involves murdering supporters of the communist takeover who are considered too dangerous to keep around for whatever reason. Similarly, conspiracy theories only see feminists as “useful idiots” that will be eliminated by the conspiracy eventually. Conspiracy theorists find this comforting since it means they don’t have to do anything. Someone else will take care of the problem even if it is the the same conspiracy they’re fighting against.
Conspiracy theorists don’t want to accept that there isn’t a plan behind feminism. They find the idea the feminism doesn’t have a plan behind it to be scary since it requires conspiracy theorists to actually do something about it. If there’s a plan behind feminism, then conspiracy theorists can justify their laziness and cowardice. Similar thinking that leads to inaction and apathy is pervasive in conspiracy theory and has been documented in scientific studies. We see conspiracy theories bitch a lot on the internet, but nothing beyond that. Given the nature of the conspiracy theories they believe in (i.e. conspiracies to murder 80% or more of the world’s population), we would expect conspiracy theorists to try to stop the conspiracy from implementing their plans, but conspiracy theorists never do that. If you question conspiracy theorists on why they don’t do anything about the conspiracies they believe in, they will give excuses like accusing anyone trying to do something as “controlled opposition”. In other words, anyone who tries to oppose the conspiracy is really working for the conspiracy. It is a Kafkatrap that provides an excuse for conspiracy theorists to be lazy cowards.
Another excuse that you will commonly see from conspiracy theorists is that the conspiracy is “spiritual”. Thus, the conspiracy can only defeated with “spiritual” means which requires something like the return of Jesus. This is just another example of conspiracy theorists being lazy cowards since they are using Jesus as an excuse to not do anything. There are other excuses that conspiracy theorists come up with to avoid doing anything, but they are all the same. Somebody else is going to conveniently take care of all the problems caused by the conspiracy even if it is the conspiracy itself. The reason why the Yuri Bezmenov video is linked to feminism is because it is a way for conspiracy theorists to make excuses for their lack of action against feminism.