Deep Green Resistance

Red Shambhala wrote the following about Deep Green Resistance in response to my last blog entry.

Hostility to technology is one more thing feminists and various kinds of tradcucks and right-wingers have in common, btw.

Different kinds of right-wingers might not be able to agree on since when exactly technology has become bad (since the smartphone? since social media? since mass media? since the industrialization?) but they all share this deep hostility and this idea that it was only modern media that allowed women to go crazy. Without technology, their reasoning goes, women had to drop their act and rely on men again to protect them from the mammoths.

The simple fact that it depends on in whose hands a technology is and what interests these groups have, is somehow beyond them. People can rather imagine the end of electricity than the end of the surveillance state. It’s sad.

With women, there seem to be those who really do have this kind of romanticized views on pre-industrial socities. “Deep Green Resistance” is one of these groups where tehy seem to claim that most modern diseases are only the result of modernity and that people in a foggy distant stone age didn’t really have major diseases or problems with, say, their teeth or bones or whatever.

Deep Green Resistance is about trying to return to a mythical past.  To call their view of the past romanticized is correct but an understatement.  They have a deep paranoia about both the future and even the modern world.

Despite what the Deep Green Resisters may say, it is not about the environment in any way.  This can be best seen by looking at women and their relationship to makeup and skincare products.  If a woman truly cared about the environment (instead of using the environment for meaningless virtue signaling), she would stop using makeup and skincare products completely.  The chemicals used for such products pollute the environment yet women demand more and more of them just as they demand more and more useless junk whose creation also pollutes the environment.  When it is pointed out to women that they are consumerists polluting the environment, they come up with bizarre defenses like saying that they are engaging in subersive anti-capitalism, self-preservation, political warfare, and fighting Donald Trump.  (Also, women will also tell us how “natural” their makeup and skincare products are so clearly they believe that their makeup and skincare products would somehow survive a return to a pre-industrial world.)

Deep Green Resistance is extremely pervasive.  It can be found in most poltical ideologies and among most groups.  From women we get paranoia about everything from space exploration to sexbots.  Space and sexbots aren’t going to be something that can be used in the short term (and perhaps not even the mid term) yet women are paranoid about it.  They insticually know that technology will help men (even in cases where it won’t happen for a long time like with space and sexbots) and that drives women to wanting to return to a pre-industrial world.

The manuresphere is also Deep Green Resistance.  The single best example is the paleo diet.  It’s right there in the name.  Somehow if you just eat the diet that according to them our ancestors ate you will never have to worry about most diseases.  In reality, our ancestors ate whatever was available just to survive.  If you lived in a pre-industrial society, and tried eating paleo, it won’t protect you from disease.  One of the first problems would be scurvy, and it gets worse from there.

Conspiracies theories are also Deep Green Resistance.  Whether the conspiracy theory is about the “patriarchy”, the Jews, the Illuminati, bankers or any other group, every conspiracy theory says that technology serves the group in charge.  Even the women in STEM push follows this model because it is based on the belief is that white men are conspiring to control technology as a form of oppression.  Having more women work in technology would be destructive but that would be fine for the Deep Green Resisters.  Even the events that led to #GamerGate had some Deep Green Resistance in its mix because gamers are pro-technology men by definition.

Deep Green Resistance can also be found in false beliefs about history.  Feminsts believe that matriarchial socities existed before the historical record and were overthrown my patriarchial societies with (minimal) technology.  The manuresphere along with tradcucks believes that modern technology has corrupted women (and this it due to men weilding technology).  All of this is wrong.

Technology has exposed the true nature of women, and that is the big reason why they hate technology so much.  And that is why we must oppose Deep Green Resistance wherever it comes from.

Does The Manuresphere Even Lift?

One thing the manuresphere will tell you to do is lift weights.  Unlike the rest of what the manuresphere tells you, lifting weights is a fine hobby.  Yet, it’s not the requirement that the manuresphere makes it out to be.  Given how much the manuresphere hypes lifting weights, you would expect manurespherians to be serious about lifting weights and exercise in general.  However, you would be wrong.

Fatt Fuck Fornedarmu says you’re a loser who masturbates and eats Cheetos all day and doesn’t understand why you and many other people are laughing at him.

All you need to do is look at pictures of manurespherians to see that they don’t lift or even care about excercise.  Fatt Fuck Fornedarmu is one such example, but the manuresphere is filled with fat blobs like Fatt Fuck Fornedarmu.  (Barbarossa has pointed out that the picture to the left was taken after Fatt Fuck Fornedarmu was supposed to have been on a two year diet and exercise regimen that failed.) They are even too stupid to see their own hypocrisy when they accuse MGTOWs of eating Cheetos and masturbating all day and attacking others for being fat.  (Ironically, it’s likely that the targets of the manuresphere’s fat shaming campaigns are less fat than the fat blobs of the manuresphere.)

Given that the manuresphere is incapable of exercising, it’s no surprise they fall for scams like the paleo diet.  It promises a quick cure all to being a fat blob.  Yet, as we see from the fat blobs of the manuresphere, it does not work.  Beyond that we have to wonder how man manurespherians say they’re on the paleo diet, but are too lazy to actually follow that scam diet.  Why should you listen to diet advice from guys who either can’t follow through with a scam diet like the paleo diet or conclusively prove that it doesn’t work?

This “do as I say, not as I do” attitude is prevalent throughout the manuresphere.  Some of the biggest proponents of game, are guys who have never actually tried game themselves to see if it actually works.  They just heard it does from other manurespherians.  Why should you listen to dating advice from guys who haven’t even tried it themselves but heard it works from someone else?  The manuresphere can’t even follow its own advice when it comes to something everyone knows is healthy like lifting weights.  If they can’t do that, then there is no reason to listen to them on bullshit like the paleo diet or game or any other weird shit they believe.

The problem of not following their own dating advice extends beyond the manuresphere and into the dating advice industry in general.  Pretty much any dating advice you get is going to be from someone who hasn’t tried it themselves.  (This is not surprising as most dating advice is designed to keep you in The Reserves and not actually help you get dates/sex/girlfriends.)  There is the alternative of actually running experiments with dating advice and gathering data to see how it works, but such things are kryptonite to the dating advice industry.  Since they’re unwilling to perform experiments and gather data, their unwillingness to use their own dating advice proves it’s bullshit.

PUAs Are Hiding Under Everyone’s Beds

According to this link PUAs are everywhere preying on women.  They’re in grocery stores, coffee shops, and even churches preying on women.  PUAs are even in Panera preying on women, and apparently there’s some connection to carbs.  I’m sure if I read enough of those links I would find someone talking about how PUAs are hiding under womens’ beds.

This is a lack of perspective that’s disturbing for even the so called manosphere.  I have been to grocery stores, coffee shops, churches, and Panera.  There were to PUAs there.  The only way to think otherwise is to never leave your house which is typical for the so called manosphere.  So what’s behind this (beyond that members of the so called manosphere never leave their homes)?  It’s the fake anti-gamer problem.  There’s a lot of people who want to sell game, but not red pill ideology or all of red pill ideology.  There’s Dr. NerdloveManginalove who peddles game to promote feminism.  In the case of the links above, we have people wanting to promote “red pill Christianity”.  Their problem is not with game.  It’s with the supposed lifestyle of PUAs.  (It’s an example of how moral arguments against game are useless since the “red pill Christians” don’t actually question game.)

If the “red pill Christians” were actually interested in opposing game, they would be pointing out how game is nothing but a scam started by known con artist, Eben Pagan, and how PUAs don’t leave their homes and aren’t getting laid.  The most powerful argument against game is showing that gamers are liars who don’t produce results and that many are con artists trying to get your money.  Even though I have made all this information easily accessible, the “red pill Christians” (and others like Dr. Manginalove) will never use that argument.  That is because it destroys their use of game just as much.  They can’t admit gamers outside of their ideology are liars.  They have to believe those gamers are successful for their scam to be true.  Their ideology requires the delusion that PUAs hiding under everyone’s bed successfully preying on women.

What we have here are game scams that aren’t about money, but ideology.  For the so called manosphere, the “red pill Christians”, Dr. Manginalove, and many others, money is a secondary concern.  (It’s still a concern since these people are likely to be unemployed or employed at marginal jobs that pay little.)  Their primary concern is ideology.  Dr. Manginalove is using the game scam to sell feminism.  The “red pill Christians” are using the game scam to sell their perverted form of Christianity, and so forth for other groups.  These groups use a bait and switch scam where they say they will help you get laid but really are trying to trick you into their ideology.  (Even the “red pill Christians” who don’t believe in sex before marriage are doing this.  They just replace getting laid with getting marriage which will get you laid “properly”.)

All of these groups using game to sell their respective ideologies really are the C team (as in cuckold).  They are the ones who will be holding the bag when the game scam collapses.  Eben Pagan did not make this mistake.  Since the game scam for him was all about the money, he knew that he should get out eventually.  And he did that and now is using a new age business consulting scam.  Eben Pagan isn’t blinded by ideology like the current crop of game scammers.  All of these groups are “true believers” so they will just keep on going until the collapse of the game scam destroys them.

What Is With All Of The Fat Shaming In The Manosphere?

Grizzly let us know that Return of Kings decided that this week was fat (woman) shaming week.  RoK had several head scratching articles like Atheists are fatties and 5 ways to bully fat sluts on a date.  My personal favorite was Larger Women Require Larger Game by Nigel “Big Game” Davis who runs the game parody blog, Nigel’s Big Game Blog.  (If the authors of game parody blogs are now writing for Return of Kings, by the end of 2014 I will be able to write posts for Return of Kings.)  There was also a twitter hash tag setup for the purposes of picking fights with feminists and other women who had a problem with what they were saying.

Fat (woman) shaming is something that comes up in the manosphere pretty regularly.  Besides all of the fat (woman) shaming that went on at RoK, Matt Forneydarmu also engages in a lot of fat (woman) shaming.  Why does the manosphere try to shame fat women so much?  If game actually worked, they should be all banging thin hot chicks.  They shouldn’t care about fat chicks.  You don’t see a man who gets laid regularly with hot chicks like Alek Novy complain about fat women.

What this proves is that guys in the so called manosphere aren’t getting laid, and that their meager options for getting laid (if they have any) are obese women.  Faced with this reality, they lash out against fat women.  It’s a pathetic attempt at feeling superior and revenge fantasies.  The other aspect to the manosphere’s fat woman shaming is that manospherians are fat.  They’re on the paleo diet which keeps them fat.  The manospherians’ ideology says that the paleo diet should make them fit, but it doesn’t.  To deal with the failure of their ideology they lash out against fat women instead of reevaluating their beliefs.

At this point, some of you are probably thinking, “BP, we know that the so called manosphere is filled with fat guys who aren’t getting laid.  Who cares about this?”  The reason to care is that the manospherians keep picking fights with feminists and everyone else.  That wouldn’t be a problem except that what to so called manosphere is doing is being attributed to the MRM.  Manosphere blogs that state in clear terms that they hate the MRM yet they still get identified as MRM blogs.  I suspect this confusion is semi-intentional on the part of the so called manosphere in an attempt to generate attention/publicity for the so called manosphere.  I think they believe any publicity is good publicity, and that it will generate sales of their books.  Since they hate the MRM, trashing the MRM in this manner is a bonus to them.  The reason to care about this is that so called manosphere refuses to leave the MRM alone.  Instead they’re using the MRM as a mask to generate attention and cause harm to the MRM.

Both Feminists And The So Called Manosphere Are Obsessed With Meat

I have talked a lot about the paleo diet because the so called manosphere is obsessed with it.  What is the paleo diet about at its core?  It’s about meat, being rabidly pro-meat.  That’s why the paleo diet always goes hand in hand with conspiracy theories about an anti-meat conspiracy to trick men into vegetarianism and feminize men.

Who else is obsessed with meat?  Feminists.  While the so called manosphere is rabidly pro-meat, feminists are rabidly anti-meat.  I found a good example of this at the No Man Project where a magina actually says that men eating meat is connected to the oppression and abuse of women.  Of course, the mangina produces no evidence for this supposed connection (just as the so called manosphere produces no evidence of anti-meat conspiracies).

This is another example of the red pill and the blue pill really aren’t that different.  While on the surface they seem to have different opinions on meat, in reality they have the same obsession with meat and believe that meat is somehow synonymous with men.  On a larger scale, both the blue pill and the red pill are the same in that they are politicizing diets and your choices in what you eat.  Neither the manosphere paleo diet nor the feminist anti-meat diet is based on scientific/medical facts.  Both are political diets and by extension bad for your health.  This is why the black pill response to this is to be neither rabidly pro-meat or rabidly anti-meat, but to leave the issue of diets and food choices in the realm of scientific and medical facts where your health doesn’t take a back seat to red pill or blue pill politics.

Both blue pill feminists and the red pill manosphere worships women, and both of them are obsessed with meat.  I’m not sure why, but there seems to be a connection between worshiping women and an obsession with meat (whether it’s for or against).  One thing that is clear is that obsessing about meat is a distraction from real anti-feminism.  The only reason an anti-feminist should be talking about meat is to point out the absurdity of the feminist obsession with meat.

Why Is This My Job?

I have seen a very odd argument from conspiracy theorists, gamers, paleo dieters, etc.  It goes, “Sure there is a lot of bullshit in game/the paleo diet/conspiracy theory, but you have separate the bullshit from the truth”.  I ask, “why is this my job?”  Why did the gamers, paleo dieters, & conspiracy theorists let their communities get so out of hand?  Why don’t they get rid of the bullshit from their communities instead of telling me I have to search through it?

When you’re trying to convince someone of some idea, it helps to be as clear and concise as possible.  The last thing you want is extraneous rubbish particularly insane extraneous rubbish.  This is doubly true for weird and unusual ideas because you already have an uphill battle in trying to convince people of weird and unusual ideas.  Since it’s obvious that gamers, paleo dieters, & conspiracy theorists should want their ideas to be accepted, then they should be working on separating the truth and the bullshit from each other.  However, they do the opposite demanding that I separate the bullshit from whatever truth they think is there.  If this was anything else such as demand would obviously be absurd.

What’s really going on here?  In reality, there is nothing bout game, the paleo diet or conspiracy theory, that’s correct.  If there was, then the believers in those things would have gotten rid of all of the bullshit long before I was around instead of demanding that I do it.  It’s effectively an admission that game, the paleo diet, and conspiracy theory are completely wrong, and that the believers in those things are either mentally unbalanced, liars, and/or con artists.

The Reason Why The Manosphere Attracts Scams By The Truckload

We know that game is a scam, the paleo diet is scam, conspiracy theories are scams, and everything else the so called manosphere believes in are scams.  The so called manosphere doesn’t just fall victim to large scale scams like game, the paleo diet, and conspiracy theory.  It falls victim to small scale scams like the fake Georgetown admissions employee that was supposedly discriminating against men and photoshopping of faces on to underwear models.

On top of this there are other scammers which are trying to break into the so called manosphere.  John Rambo has been trying (unsuccessfully) to get the so called manosphere to buy into his fake Indian bride scam.  Peter Andrew Nolan (who is probably the same person as John Rambo) is running a scam known as “freeman on the land”.  “Freeman on the land” is a conspiracy theory where there is a secret way to make yourself exempt from all laws, debts, and taxes (including alimony and child support).  Of course, to get this exemption for all laws everywhere you need to have one of these “freemen” help you who conveniently charge a lot of money for their “help”.  Peter Andrew Nolan has been trying to sell “freeman on the land” unsuccessfully to the so called manosphere.  The only reason Rambo/Nolan haven’t been successful at conning the manosphere with their scams is because their method of selling their scams was to insult, harass, and spam the manosphere.  If Rambo/Nolan had a more slick presentation everyone in the manosphere would be trying to get an Indian bride and trying to exempt themselves from the law.  (I wish that Rambo/Nolan did have a more slick presentation at least when it came to the “freeman on the land” scam because anyone who has tried it has ended up in jail.  It would have been a good and quick way to get rid of the so called manosphere.)

Why are there so many scams in the so called manosphere?  Why does the manosphere fall victim Why is the “gullibleosphere” a more accurate name for the so called manosphere?  Why are scams outside of the manosphere trying to get into the manosphere?  There are several good reasons for this.

It’s the same reason the scam capital of the U.S. is in Utah.  Scams are a huge problem in the Mormon Church to the point where the leadership of the Mormon Church had to directly address the problem.  The reason why scams happen so much among Mormons is because of what is known as “affinity fraud“.  People trust members of “their group” whatever that group is.  In the case of the Mormons, a Mormon will trust another Mormon more than a non-Mormon.  This makes it easier for scammers and con artists to do their job in the Mormon Church because they are already starting from a state of trust and a lack of skepticism.  While the Mormons are the best known example of affinity fraud, it can and does happen in every other group whether its an ethnic group or even just a group of like minded individuals.

Affinity fraud is much easier to accomplish in fringe groups such as white (vagina worshiping) nationalists.  Not only do the W(VW)N trust each other more than the outside world (even more so than say the Mormons), scammers and con artists have additional ways to deflect any skepticism of their actions with techniques like accusing skeptics of working for the Jews.  The nature of W(VW)N makes it easier for scammers and con artists to scam them.  A good example of this is the “redemption” scam/conspiracy theory.  The “redemption” scam was a scam started by a white (vagina worshiping) nationalist named Roger Elvick.  He told his fellow W(VW)N that the government created a secret bank account for each American worth $630,000.  This was supposedly started when the U.S. went off the gold standard because the U.S. had to put up its own citizens as collateral to get loans from bankers.  (Of course, these $630,000 bank accounts are managed by a Jewish cabal.)  Elvick’s scam was that he told people you could access that $630,000 through some legal tricks to pay off debts.  (I’m sure he charged for the service of this “help”.)  Elvick ended up in jail, of course, but he was able to scam so many of his fellow W(VW)N because his scam was an affinity scam squared.  Not only did all of the W(VW)N Elvick scammed trust him because he was one of them, but they trusted Elvick more because they thought they were constantly under siege by the government and the Jews.  Their thinking prevented them from rationally analyzing Elvick’s claims.  Plus, Elvick could shout down any skeptic by accusing them of working for the government or the Jews.  Even scammers in the Mormon Church don’t have options like that.

The redemption scam didn’t die when Elvick was put in jail.  It was repackaged by Mary Elizabeth Croft into its current version which is known as “freeman on the land”, the scam that Peter Andrew Nolan promotes.  (When it comes to the redemption/freeman on the land scam, Roger Elvick is its Eben Pagan, and Mary Elizabeth Croft is its Roissy.)  “Freeman on the land” continues to scam people because its an affinity scam spread among fringe groups who are more susceptible to affinity scams than more mainstream groups.

The so called manosphere is the fringe of the fringe so they are even more susceptible to affinity fraud than regular fringe groups like like the W(VW)N.  The so called manosphere has already attacked scientific inquiry and rational analysis making a scammers job much easier before he even tries to scam the first manospherian.  By their own admission manospherians evaluate things not on an objective analysis of the facts but on verisimilitude.  In other words, the manosphere evaluates things on whether it appears to be correct to them.  For something to appear to be correct to them, it has to fit their own biases and ideology.  Manospherians determine if something is true or not based on their own feelings about it, not facts.  This makes a scammers job much easier since any scammer can easily fool any manospherian by putting the right packaging around their scam.  Unless you’re looking to make millions of dollars (because the so called manosphere doesn’t have much money), the so called manosphere is a wet dream for scammers, particularly small scale scammers.

I wasn’t joking when I said that the so called manosphere should be called the gullibeosphere.  The reason why the so called manosphere attracts scams by the truckload is because it’s incredibly easy to scam them.  A scammer won’t make huge amounts of money off the manosphere since they don’t have much money, but a scammer only needs to do a minimal amount of work to scam the manosphere.  Given how little work a scammer has to do to scam the manosphere, the ROI (return on investment) on scamming the manosphere is higher than the ROI on scamming anyplace else despite the small amounts of money the scammer will be getting.

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