For a while now, we have been dealing with a secret war on MGTOW. This consisted of bullshit like we have seen and still see at AVFM or Hawaiian Fat Blob that married men can be MGTOW and from conspiracy theorists telling us that we need to man up and marry sluts to stop the fictional depopulation agenda. This was designed to subvert MGTOW by making us fight nonexistent enemies and devaluing the term, MGTOW, into meaninglessness. How can a married man truly go his own way? He can’t because by getting married he is under the complete control of his wife and the state. His wife can divorce him at any time, take half or more of his assets, and take his kids (if he has any) away from him. Tradcon bullshit about marriage doesn’t change these real facts. When a man gets married, he is no longer going his own way whether he likes it or not.
For that matter, why can’t a male feminist be said to be going his own way? Obviously he can’t because he is going the way of women. However, if a married man can be said to go his own way, then so can a male feminist. Thus saying that married men can go their own way makes the term, MGTOW, meaningless. Even the so called “MGTOW manifesto” which talks about restoring masculinity in men and femininity in women has been rejected because it’s another attempt to make MGTOW meaningless.
Actual MGTOW rejected these attempts to redefine MGTOW into meaninglessness. Sooner or later one of the groups would trigger a movement from waging a secret war on MGTOW to waging an open war on MGTOW. That’s what happened when PrisonPlanet/Infowars (Alex Jones’s band of conspiracy theorists) released their video on “neomasculinity” (which should really be called neo pussy begging) that attacks MGTOW. Bar bar eviscerated PrisonPlanet’s “neomasculinity” video on his blog and in this video.
I like that the war on MGTOW is completely out in the open now. It not only proves everything that I have been saying about how conspiracy theorists are manginas, but we will no long have to suffer idiots talking out of both sides of their mouth with bullshit like “a married man is going his own way”. From now on no one can seriously say that manuresphere unity is a virtue.
The manuresphere is facing its demographic time bomb (along with manuresphere adjacent groups like PrisonPlanet), and this is just the first of series of desperate actions we will see from them.
I have called the manuresphere the C team (that’s C as is Cuckold) before because the scams of the manuresphere are not only completely derivative but they are incapable of using them to enrich themselves. The manuresphere has no original ideas. For example, Game came from Eben Pagan (a.k.a. David DeAngelo). The manuresphere is a bunch of con artists, but they’re really bad at being con artists. They can’t even come up with their own scams. Like with game, they have to copy them from con artists that aren’t complete failures.
Thus, I was not surprised when Grizzly informed us that Roosh was owned by Dr. Oz. (You can watch Dr. Oz’s interview with Roosh here, and see Roosh being flabbergasted that the Dr. Oz show would lie to him here.) Dr. Oz is a quack and a con artist, but much more successful than anyone in the manuresphere. (Science based medicine has several pages documenting Dr. Oz’s frauds. Dr. Oz’s fraud is so bad that there is a movement among the faculty at the medical school of Columbia University to have him removed from his teaching post there.) Roosh going on the Dr. Oz show is equivalent to a first grader trying to understand calculus.
Roosh like the rest of the manuresphere does not realize that as con artists go they are the bottom of the barrel. Pretty much any other con artist can eat them for lunch like Dr. Oz did. That’s why the manuresphere is the C (as in cuckold) team.
Dating websites are useless and dangerous. Many of the profiles of women on dating websites don’t even exist. Dating websites also end up being vehicles for massive phishing operations by criminal gangs.
Another problem with dating websites is that they are easily hacked. Recently, a hacker created a hack on Tinder that tricked men who thought they were flirting with women into flirting with each other. Not only do you have to worry about nonexistent women and phishing scams, that woman you met on a dating site might actually be a guy. (And that guy might be a victim of the same scam believing you to be a woman.)
There’s a reason why dating websites are such a fertile ground for these problems. They benefit from these sorts of scams because it increases use of their websites. No dating website will beef up its security to prevent these problems. In some cases, they may be behind what is happening.
Dating websites do nothing but prey on men. Don’t bother using them.
There is no difference between AVFM, the Dickless Mangina Project, and the Manuresphere. AVFM used to take a strong stand against the Manuresphere and game, but now it has Manurespherians like Obsidian writing for it and now wants to work with other manurespherians. Similarly, the Dickless Mangina Project also says that it is against the Manuresphere and game, but it has had manurespherians write for it. Plus, the Dickless Mangina Project has Kezia Noble writing for it now, a con artist who peddles game as a “female game guru”.
What about all of the white vagina worshipping nationalism and conspiracy theory of the manuresphere? AVFM has posted conspiracy theory material. The Dickless Mangina Project has “rudyducetruth”, a conspiracy theorist whose rantings are indistinguishable from the conspiracy theorists in the manuresphere except for the fact that “rudyducetruth” brings up being a Native American a lot. The Dickless Mangina Project has also had Jack Donovan write for it. Jack Donovan is a manurespheerian and a (gay) white vagina worshipping nationalist.
The real nail in the coffin is that all three groups hate MGTOW. The Manuresphere and the Dickless Mangina Project have hated MGTOW since their beginnings. AVFM pretended to be pro-MGTOW for a while but is now showing its true colors on what it believes about MGTOW which is exactly what the Manuresphere and the Dickeless Mangina Project think about MGTOW.
I could go on with examples, but it’s obvious. There’s no difference between AVFM, the Dickless Mangina Project, and the Manuresphere. Knowing this, it should not be a surprise that Paul Elam does not think men are oppressed. It’s the same view that the Manuresphere and the Dickless Mangina Project have on the subject.
The only thing missing is that AVFM hasn’t had any white vagina worshipping nationalists write for it yet. I’m sure that will happen sooner or later.
Recently, we got another white vagina worshiping troll here. While I don’t know why they keep coming, but I have noticed something. Their technique does not work to get them new adherents to their ideology because they don’t offer anything. Putting aside the vile and gynocentric nature of white vagina worshiping nationalism, they don’t make a case for how a man’s life will improve by being a white vagina worshiping nationalist. Even if everything the white vagina worshiping nationalists were saying about the Jews was true (which it isn’t), most men would still be better off supporting the Jews.
I have noticed the same phenomena from feminists. Like the white vagina worshiping nationalists, feminists offer nothing as well. For most men, embracing feminism will not improve his life. It will make it much worse. In fact, feminists have created a phrase for this, “Do you want a cookie?” Yes, I want a cookie. I want lots of cookies. If feminists want men to become feminists, then feminism must produce real tangible improvements in men’ lives. In other words, feminists need to start handing out cookies. Since feminists refuse to hand out cookies, men have no reason to become feminists and every reason to oppose feminism with every fiber of their being.
The techniques that both white vagina worshiping nationalists and feminist use can be summed up with one phrase, “The beatings will continue until morale improves.” It’s a stupid plan to get more adherents to their respective ideologies. On the other hand, if they’re goal is to alienate men from their respective ideologies, then they’re doing a really good job.
I always knew that Dr.
Nerdlove Manginalove should also be called Dr. Hypocrisy. It’s pretty obvious, but the Scott Aaronson situation has provided some spectacular examples on how deep Dr. Manginalove’s hypocrisy goes.
Manginalove attacks Scott Aaronson because Aaronson wanted examples of behavior that is guaranteed not to be sexual harassment and not cause women to think he’s creepy. There’s a big problem with Manginalove’s attack. Manginalove actually tried to answer this problem back in March of last year.
It gets worse than that. Scott Alexander had written in support of Scott Aaronson and called Amanda Marcotte a “vogon spy in a skin suit. Manginalove attacked Alexander for that, accusing Alexander of slagging on Marcotte’s appearance, but that’s not what Alexander meant. And Manginalove knows this since he has used the phrase, “alien in a human suit”.
Manginalove is a liar and a hypocrite. This proves it. He changes his positions on a day to day basis. The only consistent position he holds is, “women good, men bad”. You can’t trust Manginalove to give you dating advice. He will tell you one thing one day and tell you the opposite the next day depending on what man he is attacking that day.
Manginalove is not interested in helping you gets dates or a relationship with a woman. His dating advice is a cover to generate traffic for his website by attacking men.
I got asked my opinion about AVFM’s latest attack on MGTOW. Until now, I hadn’t been following it due to a lack of time and an assumption that it was nothing more than the usual tension between MRAs and MGTOW. Obviously, I oppose what AVFM is trying to do. By trying to include married men as MGTOW, AVFM is trying to create a MGTOW- and call that “MGTOW”, so they can actual MGTOW, MGTOW+ to make actual MGTOW look like Atheism+. What AVFM is doing is a very despicable and underhanded thing.
While this is about throwing out actual MGTOW to include tradcons at AVFM, it represents a deeper connection between AVFM and tradcons. AVFM is adopting a tradcon strategy I am now calling, “The Middle Of The Road Alternative Scam”. What tradcons try to do is present themselves as different from both feminists and MRAs/MGTOW. Tradcons will tell you that they are neither pro-male nor pro-female, but pro-“family” or pro-“community”. “Family” and “community” are words that really mean women and/or socialism depending on context, so it’s a way for tradcons try to trick men into supporting women. Plus, it’s also a way for tradcons to present themselves as the group “in the middle” trying to “bring men and women together” and “fight the extremists on both sides” (i.e. the feminists on one side and the MRAs/MGTOW on the other).
AVFM is now using the same scam. Effectively they’re trying to say, “See we have both men and women. We’re trying to bring men and women together. We’re neither those feminist extremists nor those MGTOW extremists.” Since AVFM is supposed to be a MRA organization, they can’t include MRAs as one of the “extremes” they’re supposedly against, so MGTOW exclusively get that “honor”. Thats the only real difference between the tradcon application of “the middle of the road alternative” scam and AVFM’s application of it. Since AVFM’s use of this scam effectively aligns AVFM with tradcon ideology, now tradcons are very much at home at AVFM.
There may be some people reading this who are wondering, “what’s wrong with bringing men and women together?” They think that I’m just an extremist who is trying to promote a war between men and women. The problem with a middle of the road position (in the best case scenario) is that it’s a compromise position. On one side, the position is “men should have no rights”. The other side says, “men should have rights”. The middle of the road position is to take half of men’s rights away. Clearly, that’s unacceptable and absurd. A man’s rights should never be up for compromise or negotiation. It’s like you trying to compromise with someone who wants to poison your food. You don’t want your food to be poisoned, but they do. Are you actually going to meet in the middle and let them use half as much poison? Of course not. Don’t forget this description of the “middle of the road alternative” is assuming the best case scenario. In reality, it’s worse. The “middle of the road alternative” is really used as a scam or a trojan horse to subjugate men.
AVFM and the tradcons aren’t the only to use this scam. The white vagina worshipping nationalists also use this scam, albeit only for white men and white women. Conspiracy theorists also use this scam, but that is part some of larger issues with conspiracy theory that require a separate post. Anytime you see this scam being used, don’t trust whoever is using it. Many groups are using it or will use it in the future so you have to be vigilant for it.