Tamerlame brought this article from AVFM to our attention where AVFM calls out Roosh (and Matt Forney) for selling piece of shit “supplements” and game that doesn’t work and doesn’t exist. While I liked a good portion of the article, one of the problems with it is that AVFM will be in bed Roosh again next week. They have a yo-yo relationship.
There is a fundamental flaw in the article, namely accusing Roosh (and Forney) of being rapists. If you believe what they have written, they may be rapists. However, that is all predicated on whether Roosh (and Forney) are getting laid or not. By definition rapists get laid. A man who doesn’t get laid can not logically be a rapist. If you know that game is bullshit, if you have talked to men who have had disastrous results from trying game (as Dean Esmay, the author, has), why would you believe that Roosh and Forney are rapists given that their alleged rape exploits are based on game working? On the one hand Dean Esmay says that game doesn’t work. On the other hand, he is accusing Roosh and Forney of being game based rapists which mean that game must work at some level. Why doesn’t AVFM go in for the kill shot on these two and point out that their rape stories are lies so that they can pretend they are getting laid? Why doesn’t AVFM point out that it costs $6500 for Roosh to get laid? Even when AVFM is attacking Roosh, it is still propping up Roosh.
There are two possible reasons I can see that AVFM isn’t going in for the kill. One, they’re going to flip flop on Roosh again. Two, like with the rest of the manuresphere, they won’t give up on game because it would be an admission that the best thing for any man to simply avoid women. AVFM is too filled with tradcons and other assorted old guys to speak the truth about women.
All of the major personalities (and minor personalities) in the manuresphere are incapable of holding down jobs. This is why they try to sell books and other media about game. They don’t have the ability to produce anything of value.
It’s not just the manuresphere either. Men with similar beliefs have the same problem. Take Angelo John Gage, a white vagina worshiping nationalist, who Barbarossa talked about due to his emotional female like rant where he blamed MGTOW for the New Year’s Eve rapes in Germany (which we don’t even know if they happened). I did a search on Gage and found out that what he does for a living is “teach” NLP (neurolinguistic programming) and hypnosis. He also is a “life coach”. NLP was a predecessor to game, and it’s a scam in its own right. Life coaching is also a scam. In other words, Gage is a con artist just like the major personalities of the manuresphere.
It’s not a coincidence that Gage is a con artist. Any man who starts buying into manuresphere ideology or one of its components like white vagina worshiping nationalism is going to have trouble with gainful productive employment or running their own business. All that is left for them is to become a con artist trying to sell game (or something related like NLP).
The same thing was true with white vagina worshiping nationalists before they discovered game. The redemption conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theory where there was a secret account of $630,000 which you could access if you signed the right government forms. This conspiracy theory was created by Roger Elvick, a white vagina worshiping nationalist, who used the conspiracy theory to defraud other white vagina worshiping nationalists. Elvick ended up in jail but lots of white vagina worshiping nationalists STILL believe that the redemption conspiracy theory isn’t a scam.
This just proves that white vagina worshiping nationalists (including the manuresphre) are all con artists by definition. They hate MGTOW because MGTOW will never fall for their scams.
We have been talking about how Paul Elam and Roosh have started a feud. This seems strange since AVFM has been pretty pro-Roosh, especially since AVFM has Obsidian still writing for it. It gets stranger if you dig deeper. I tried reading some of things that AVFM was saying about Roosh and PUAs in general, and it is all over the place. They say that they are against PUA works yet they give Roosh a platform. They complain that feminists are unfairly conflating MRAs and PUAs (which is true), but they give the feminists ammo running a bunch of posts defending PUAs. There’s lots of contradictions like that if you take a look at what AVFM has been saying about PUAs. So what is going on here?
As far as I can tell, what AVFM is doing is part of the MDAD (Misandrist Dating Advice Distraction). AVFM has completely alienated MGTOW by lying about it, and AVFM’s track record in terms of action for men’s rights is abysmal. AVFM is in a bind so out of desperation AVFM is playing some sort of strange game with Roosh by constantly switching between being for and against Roosh to stay relevant by generating PUA content. (Using non-manuresphere PUAs won’t work for AVFM’s purposes so they are stuck with manuresphere PUAs which means Roosh now.) Roosh is an attention whore so he’s happy to oblige.
What AVFM is doing is using dating advice to distract from their failures at advancing mens rights. That makes it part of the MDAD (Misandrist Dating Advice Distraction).
Tamerlame brought this page on the MGTOW reddit about the MGTOW manifesto to our attention. I knew the MGTOW manifesto was fraudulent, but it turns out it is way more fraudulent than I could have imagined. The author of the page on the MGTOW reddit even discovered that that MGTOW manifesto didn’t exist in 2004 when MGTOW allegedly started. Everything about the MGTOW manifesto is a fraud.
Anyone who takes the MGTOW manifesto seriously is full of shit and trying to use it as a club to attack MGTOW. The guys attacking MGTOW can be best described by this pic Stoner created.
I wrote about back in August how at Dalrock, they were blaming demons for the actions of women. The manuresphere obsession with demons isn’t limited to the Dalrock blog. Return of
Kings Court Jesters also believes in demons. If you read the comments, most of the commenters believe that Ouija boards are the like are real in that they can summon demons.
I don’t know if demons exist or not. What I know is that Return of
Kings Court Jesters and all of the other major personalities don’t want you to see that game doesn’t exist. Thus they flood you will rubbish about demons, conspiracy theory, and other things that have nothing to do with meeting women and getting laid. If you are too busy worrying that demons are hiding under your bed, you won’t notice that game isn’t working for you or anyone else.
There’s a myth going around that the recent Oregon shooter was an incel (involuntary celibate) virgin. The justification for this is based on posts he allegedly made on the r9k board on 4chan. That’s very weak evidence, and it turns out that r9k was trying to frame one of its own users, Eggman, as the shooter. Even if other evidence supposedly surfaces that the shooter was an incel virgin, it should be treated with skepticism. The media said that he is a white supremacist, even though he is actually mixed race, so the media can not be trusted to report accurate details about the shooter.
The real reason so many people want to label the Oregon shooter an incel virgin isn’t about the whatever was written on 4chan. It’s because they believe in the just world fallacy in dating and sex (which is the basis of the feminist time machine). They think, correctly, that murdering lots of people makes a man evil, but then they assume that evil men can’t get laid or get into relationships with women. Thus, in the minds of most people being evil and being an incel virgin is one in the same. They also believe that if one is true than the other is true as well. In other words, this isn’t a case of evil men are incel virgins, but only some incel virgins are evil. What they believe is that being an incel virgin alone is evidence that a man is evil and will go around raping women and murdering people.
Believing that being evil and being incel virgin man is the same is very dangerous for incel virgin men. For example, DailyKos is now promoting a conspiracy theory that r9k is an “online domestic terrorist organization”. Some DailyKos users are suggesting that a list get created to track men, who I guess they would suspect of being incel virgins later, starting in third grade. (By their own admission such a list would be illegal and unconstitutional, but that doesn’t seem to bother them.) Other DailyKos users want the NSA to track incel virgin men. (I’m certain that everyone on DailyKos who wants the NSA to spy on incel virgin men was previously against NSA spying). There are even some other DailyKos users who think that the government is intentionally turning a blind eye to the so called “incel virgin terrorism”, possibly as a method to keep the public in a state of panic.
Such reactions aren’t limited to DailyKos. Jezebel declared that “sexually frustrated men” are “the real terrorists. (Notice how “sexually frustrated men” is a much larger category than incel virgin men.) Jezebel also demanded that “sexually frustrated men” be castrated (obviously such as castration would not be voluntary).
Other reactions appear to be less extreme at first glance, but on further analysis are not. Someone at Reddit is suggesting that camps be created for incel virgin men. That person had to put that they didn’t mean concentration camps in the title (which in itself is very revealing). If you read the link, it doesn’t sound sinister until that person says “lets round them up”. Even in a conversation about incel virgin men that looks innocuous on the surface still treats incel virgin men as terrorists who are going to snap at any second.
There are many more examples I could document, but this where the just world fallacy in dating and sex leads. If a man has any trouble getting getting laid or getting into a relationship, then lots of people, especially women, believe him to be evil, on the verge of a murderous rampage, and part of a incel virgin domestic terrorist organization (that is nothing but a conspiracy theory) that requires NSA spying to stop (NSA spying they were formerly against).
You are not safe if you aren’t an incel virgin. Jezebel included all “sexually frustrated men” as terrorists. DailyKos included #GamerGate as part of the incel virgin domestic terrorist organization conspiracy theory, as well as the MRM & MGTOW. If they don’t like something about you, then you will be accused of being an incel virgin, so that people can treat you as if you were synonymous with evil and part of a domestic terrorist organization.
One thing that keeps coming up in attacks on MGTOW is the so called MGTOW Manifesto. Typically, the accusation is that men who are GTOW aren’t “real MGTOW” because they aren’t following the MGTOW Manifesto which is full of bullshit like “instill masculinity in men and femininity in women” and requiring MGTOW to be Libertarian. Fatt Fuck Forney’s most recent attack on MGTOW (which CS MGTOW ripped apart) brought that up. There is even a white vagina worshiping nationalist who is trying to use the MGTOW Manifesto (any reference to MGTOW being “created” in 2004/2005 means the MGTOW Manifesto) to trick MGTOW into becoming white vagina worshiping nationalists. Since there is finally a push to completely separate MGTOW fully from the manuresphere, the MGTOW Manifesto needs to be exposed for what it is.
The reason why the MGTOW Manifesto is a fraud is because MGTOW was never created from the top down. Just as no person is the MGTOW “commander”, no document can be said to be the beginning of MGTOW. MGTOW happened because of the decisions of many men concerning the nature of women. They made those decisions not because of a document but because they rationally assessed the situation with women. Even the authors of the so called MGTOW manifesto knew this. They came up with the phrase “men going their own way” because they noticed one reason the MRM which was not working was because “men kept going their own way”. The authors of the so called MGTOW Manifesto invented nothing. They only observed a phenomena among men (which if you include monasticism has been going on for centuries), gave it a name, and then tried to use that name to control it. They failed at trying to control MGTOW, but since their document exists enemies of MGTOW can use to pull the “I’m not really against MGTOW because the MGTOW Manifesto” scam. Regardless, even the authors of the so called MGTOW Manifesto knew that it had nothing to do with actual MGTOW.