The Christian Dating Advice Industry

Something I have been meaning to start talking about is the Christian dating advice industry, but I haven’t gotten around to it until now.  What finally got me to start writing about it was a pair of articles by Milo Yiannopoulos about MGTOW.  Both of those articles had a good number of comments (although it’s now buried in thousands of comments) where tradcons would try and convince MGTOW that there were plenty of “good women” in churches.  This is not true, and Christian dating advice isn’t true either.  Just because something is “Christian” does not mean its any better than the non-Christian equivalent if it involves women.

While Christian dating advice has its own unique quirks, most of the differences between Christian dating advice and regular dating advice are cosmetic.  The “go to church” dating advice is a good example of this.  It’s equivalent to feminist dating advice which says you should date feminists, “red pill” dating advice that says you should date “red pill” women, etc.  None of the women in any of these groups are any different.  They’re all the same.  I can tell you from personal experience that single women in church are the same types of single women you will find outside of church.  They’re desperate to get married because either they have kids, are otherwise divorced, or are otherwise “former” sluts whose looks are starting to fade.  It’s the reserves problem, but churches are worse because the single women there are actively trying to mine the reserves even more so than outside of church.

You might think that because Christianity says no sex until marriage, that would mitigate the problem.  It does not.  No sex until marriage only applies to men.  Women in church are given a pass for all their sexual sins because the church teaches that fornication is that man’s fault because of “male headship”.  It’s worse than that because the men Christian women fornicate with aren’t in church.  The single men in church are all part of the reserves so they aren’t getting any.  Since men get blamed for women’s sexual sins in churches, it’s the men in the reserves that are getting attacked from the pulpit for sins that women and men outside of church commit.  These men are doing the time, but don’t get the benefit of doing the crime/sin.  It’s a really perverse form of the gay virgin player rapist problem.  “Male headship” is also an excuse for churches to blame men and only men for divorce.  The divorce rate in churches is practically the same outside of church proving again that women are all the same.

Churches are as feminist as anything else in our gynocentric and gynocratic society.  They’re a misandrist institution.  They’re aren’t going to produce dating advice that’s fundamentally different from the rest of the dating advice industry.  Christian dating advice is a scam like almost all other dating advice.

There’s more to the Christian dating advice industry than I have covered here.  I will be covering that in future blog entries such as the ones listed below.

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64 comments on “The Christian Dating Advice Industry

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  2. “Just because something is “Christian” doesn’t mean it’s better than it’s non-Christian equivalent if it involves women.”

    If it involves anything, more like. Women, morality, sex, videogames, relationships, books, stores, school dances, college clubs…You name it, it’s common to hear that the non-Christian version of X is far inferior to the Christian version. Oftentimes for absolutely no reason other than “But it’s Christian!”

    I’m glad it’s not only me who sees how the whole “male headship” thing is basically a scam to foist even more responsibility on men while giving them the illusion of power.

    • About 6-7 years ago I heard a preacher on God TV even blame men for women’s lack of good looks. Also one notices how Christian societies in Europe are very much for pouring in millions of young men from northern Africa. The Christian men think their wives are doing it for the love of God, because they do not know of/deny the existence of hypergamy. The Christian women, of course completely unable to love anything more than themselves, pretend they do it for love. I am so glad I learned about female cruelty (i.e. their nature) while still having the prospect of half my life left.

  3. Dalrock’s blog has useful posts and analysis on divorce statistics. He has a couple of posts that explain flaws in Christian dating advice. I found them informative. But then he does a 180 and supports Red-Pill / Marriage Game nonsense. Too bad really. Very disappointing although he’ll keep getting readers so that blog won’t look at the blind spot.

    I look forward to future posts on both Blue-Pill Christian dating advice and the “Red-Pill” stuff online.

  4. “churches are worse because the single women there are actively trying to mine the reserves even more so than outside of church”

    Saw that first hand in college, briefly attending church meetings for a non-denominational student Christian organization one of my room mates at that time(early 1993) slyly talked me into(he was a sociopath that liked to play those sort of pranks on me). A few of those very type of women(late 20s/30s, rather unattractive & unkempt I might add) were walking up to me, a 20 year old, for god-knows what…..creepy shit….

    • That said, it was enough to keep me from church from that day onward(including my bible-believing period of 1998-05).

    • Modern Christianity is completely worthless, as they don’t even stick to any moral code.

      Christians have been banging on about gay marriage, but have basically allowed no fault divorce and kept silent on women destroying the family unit.

        • Well, it won’t. ‘Marriage’ has been dead awhile now. Allowing gays into the institution is little more than a “might as well”. Gays were never the problem; the problem of allowing women to influence the legal process and more importantly the involvement of the state had already made that social contract worthless.

          If marriage is a contract (and it is) then it is fraud and men are fools for entering it. Because, what man in his right mind would enter a legal contract where he is required to uphold various responsibilities and the other party (woman) absolutely none? On top of that, being able to dissolve the agreement at anytime and walk away with cash and prizes? That is completely stupid.

      • http://stonerwithaboner.wordpress.com/2014/11/10/if-she-walks-like-a-duck-swims-like-a-duck-and-quacks-like-a-duck-shes-a-traditionalist/

        Traditionalist womyn don’t speak for MGTOW men, ever…

        that’s only one piece of the puzzle…

        Condescending Elam is trying to make money by publishing some crappy book claiming he is an authority on MGTOW. Remember how he shit on Stardusk? Remember how he took a shit on everyone politely telling him what a cesspool Inmalafide was? (All while Fatinand Barnimu was shitting all over AVfM.) He’s a low grade bully. AVfM is doing far more damage than good and looks more and more like TGMP every day.

        • You have been proven right. I remember thinking you was wrong about Paul Elam, but you was dead on the mark. Paul has revealed himself to be a snake. Some of the things he says about men are disgusting.

          Calling MGTOW wounded and hopeless is abusive and someone who is an ex therapist mental health worker should know that it is abusive and invalidating. I am ashamed of Paul. I wish I could take my donation back.

        • I’m sorry to hear that slimebag stole your money–he sure as fuck isn’t using it to help men and boys. He probably got into therapy to learn how to hurt people worse. That is one reason I have never voluntarily seen s psychiatrist and never will.

      • A woman called Suzzie has been banning MGTOW on a voice from men. I know you consider John the other a conspiracy theorist, but Paul Elam has turned on him, and turned on MGTOW.

        Nonsense like this gets posted.

        http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/m-g-t-o-w/mgtows-opposite/

        Tradcon youtubers like grumpy old men are claiming MGTOW can include married men. These tradcons then accuse MGTOW of just being like feminists. I will look up some links for you.

        • Black pill my email is this. alex1453ad@gmail.com

          This is a copy and post from a voice for men.

          “Frosty2013 • 12 days ago
          I think what we can all agree on is that the definition is fuzzy, because it’s fuzzy it means that being a MGTOW is not some on/off binary state that can easily be decided or achieved, it’s a scale and men are MGTOWs to some degree. To have it as cut and dry as you’re either a MGTOW or you aren’t and there’s no middle ground would require precise criteria which isn’t something we have, at least not right now.

          The article seems to take the approach that I took when I entered the MGTOW community, which is to observe what the existing self identified MGTOWs share in common, the more common the trait the more weight it has to the MGTOW label. Paul created a video telling us all his opinion on MGTOW and got trashed in the comments by many MGTOWs and down voted into an abysmal approval rating.

          Contrary to what Paul would have you believe, self identifying labels are OK, simply creating a label and giving it some criteria is not a bad thing, and saying whether or not people belong to that label based on objective criteria is not a bad thing. He describes this as “defining” people which is obviously wrong, it’s merely describing people. Descriptions can be objectively wrong and if they are we ought to strive to correct them, but in no way does describing someone actually define them. You define yourself through your own actions.

          In the case of marriage and MGTOW I tend to stick to my observations that MGTOW is a continuum of behaviour, marriage is something that is extremely rare among self identified MGTOWs and so I believe you align more with the label of MGTOW if you’re not married. Someone who is married could only ever be a MGTOW in the loosest possible sense of the word, the vast majority of MGTOWs would reject a married man as a MGTOW.

          I was on the fence when it came to how good it would be to have AvFM and the MRM involved in, or collaborating with MGTOWs and wasn’t quick to dismiss them like some popular MGTOWs have, but after Pauls recent video and the trolling we saw by him and Dean on youtube I think this is where me and the MRM part ways. I think we saw their true colours when it came to shaming MGTOW (with phrases such as RadTOW and MGTOW+) and we’ve seen a clear reaction by the MGTOW community in the videos responses and approval rating (votes). I can’t see the MRM as anything but potentially hostile towards MGTOW, their PC behaviour is already spilling over to MGTOW where suddenly it’s “radical” to be a MGTOW, better not be too “radical” guys otherwise we potentially upset the image of the MRM and AvFM.
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          driversuz Mod Frosty2013 • 12 days ago
          The only MGTOW being shamed are the ones telling others which way they MUST go to be MGTOW. MGTOW+ is a perfect reflection of Atheism+’s restrictions on skepticism, an of radfems restrictions on other feminists.”

          So a female mod is accusing MGTOW of being MGTOW+ because we say married men can’t be MGTOW.

          Stop funding a voice for men.

        • Its impossible to be a MGTOW while being a married man. I recall this same sentiment being posted on one of Dalrock’s articles. How can a man be going his own way when the very nature of being married involves taking responsibility and providing for other people? To say a man can make the same paths and decisions he could while being single is absolute nonsense. Additionally, how could every man married or not be on a spectrum of MGTOW when in past years most men were married? Going one’s own way would seem to imply you’re separating yourself from the common path of society. Marriage is par for the course so its laughable to say these men could be considered MGTOW in any capacity. I would go so far as to say most men that desire to get married lack the inability to live or exist by themselves.

        • I know you consider John the other a conspiracy theorist

          It’s important to remember that being a conspiracy theorist makes John the Other a tradcon. There are two types of conspiracy theorists. First there are the feminist new agers. David Icke is the most well known of those types. The rest are all tradcons. Unless John the Other was secretly a feminist, being a conspiracy theorist makes him a tradcon.

  5. Tamerlame,
    Hasn’t this pretty much always been going on, with avfm trying to subvert MGTOW for themselves? Or at least under their own definitions? Don’t get me wrong…I enjoy some of their articles, especially the ones from foreign countries with an insiders view. But it seems they’ve been consistently inconsistent with how they react to MGTOW. A bit too many tradcons there, is my bet.

      • I can’t find anything but the abstract, but that should be enough to go on for now. A few things I’d ask;

        1. This study is from 1988. How have women’s attitudes towards sex and sexual consent changed since then? Are they more stable (no really does mean no), or are they roughly the same?

        2. It shows that about 40% of the women interviewed used token resistance during at least one sexual encounter. Extrapolated, this means 6/10 women will not/have not engaged in it, so pushing when they say no would be going against their wishes. What common factors, if any, could be found in the other 4/10 to make them believe token resistance is acceptable? For example, are they all from religiously conservative families, or identify as “traditional” or passive women?

        3. The abstract described a trifecta of core reasons for engaging in token resistance: practical, inhibition related, and manipulative. Unfortunately, the percentages for these aren’t available but I’d be incredibly curious to see which of these is cited most. If it’s for practical reasons (perhaps no birth control readily available), then that could likely be fixed by teaching teens and young adults to plan for potential sexual situations better. If it’s inhibitors that cause token resistance the most, I’d argue that it is societal pressures that need to be altered so that women don’t feel ashamed or bad for acknowledging their natural sexual desires. The only one I really have a problem with is the last…namely, withholding sex for petty/egotistical reasons. This is part of the society we live in, but is also on the woman herself, and thus would likely be the most difficult to change. If a woman finds that she can obtain more attention, material goods, etc by saying no when she means yes there’d have to be something to deter her from doing so. I’d say that a strong moral compass would work…except I lost faith in our species as a whole years ago.

        • According to Alek Novy, nearly all women engage in token resistance. Now we see it is a distinct minority. Good to see statistics. And this is from the 80s, so we can assume it is probably less now, as the times are so much more promiscuous.

          Furthermore, Alek asserts that nearly all women engage in manipulative token resistance, not the relatively innocuous kind that stems from inhibitions or from not yet feeling intimate enough for sex.

          Yet from the 40% who engage in token resistance, probably only a portion are of the manipulative kind, so its even less.

          Well, well, well. Good to see some sanity and reality on this issue.

          Far from men being threatened with a sexless life if they are unwilling, or don’t learn how, to deal with female token resistance, we see that it isn’t a huge problem at all.

          Just as I thought.

          Granted, 40% isn’t a minor issue, but its hardly the dominating issue some pretend it is.

          Alek has reached a point where he is beginning to be more harmful than helpful for men, just as AVFM morphed into something that while does some good things is on the whole bad. Its telling that Alek maintains a strong link to AVFM.

          Approaching women with the mindset that they will likely engage in manipulative token resistance can’t help but create an adversarial, guarded atmosphere and barriers to intimacy. It will also hugely increase the likelihood of encounters where the man is harshly rejected as he pushes, leading to male social withdrawal, and possibly depression.

          Its disastrous advice.

          Anyways just wanted to point that out. I’ve had my little say and you guys can go on with your conversation.

  6. Here is some more nonsense from a voice from men. There is countless tradcon crap on there.

    “Dagda Mór • 15 days ago
    Hmm. I see there was a feminist raging up and down the comments here but they had one valid point.

    A major goal of feminism is to destroy heterosexual relationships.

    MGTOWs are helping with that. Understandably but undeniably.”

    This is complete nonsense, men responding to female social violence, the legal risk of relationships is women destroying heterosexual relationships, it is women who have complete control over the family unit and put men in prison for child support. Claiming that men who notice the risk are just like the feminists is completely disgusting.

    • Sorry if you consider this derailment, but a voice for men has been hijacked.

      “driversuz Mod unilantern • 15 days ago
      You have been banned because of a serious and direct violation of Comment Policy (derailing, trolling and general contempt for the work AVfM does). [Ref: 2568]
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      She bans MGTOW, she says men should get married because the rewards are worth it. A woman should even dare say that, as it is men who take on 99% of the risks.

      Defund a voice for men. I donated once and I was planning on doing so again, I will never given them a penny now.

      • tamerlane,

        I’m glad you brought up driver suz, he was one of the crazies who shit all over Stardusk when Elam went apeshit and said Stardusk was stepping on his dick. Male feminist Esmay had his bullying words as the right hand man for darth Elam.

        also, I hate to say this but as we are critical of MRA’s, we must be careful IRL. Just like feminists, they are the sadistic types who will find your place of work and leave threatening phone calls or if you have a pet, try to murder your pet while you are out and about…

        Yes I know how paranoid that sounds but that doesn’t make it untrue…

  7. If women truly supported mgtow, they would refuse to get married. They would acknowledge that marriage is a very poor choice for men to make, and accept that until the laws regarding it…and many other aspects of society…are changed, it’s literally impossible for the sexes to have equality. Real equality, not the hokum we currently are living with.

    The fact that so many women in this blogosphere are still attempting to shame men into an institution that is inherently toxic to them is indicative of how they honestly feel. I realize there are a decent number of tradcon women around, and I realize they desire husbands and many have swallowed the “red pill” in what I believe to be (in most cases) an honest effort to make marriage work, and make it more palatable to menfolk. The problem is, there’s still inequality under the actual law of the land…and until that is fixed, mgtow is ultimately the best course of action for men.

  8. It is a very significant minority.

    I agree with your assertion that women do things either before or after denying it. A prime example happened at my job last week. One of the young women I work with (age 23) is a diehard feminist. Her ability to turn nearly every conversation into a “woman’s rights” issue is, to be frank, terrifying. Oh, but did I mention she’s a self-declared “equality feminist”…nothing at all like those radfems. Men deserve equality too, even though they’re “kinda stupid”.

    Yup. That’s why she constantly tells us how she had her live-in boyfriend take her out to dinner after he worked a 12 hour shift because her 6 hours of cashiering “wore her out”, and how she’s upset he won’t get a joint checking account. Or how he is being a “jerk” for not using his lunch break to drive her home…not because she doesn’t have a car, but because she “doesn’t feel like driving tonight”. I usually look at her with my jaw on the floor. How can someone be so ignorant of their own contradictions? It’s nearly unfathomable.

    Actions are so much louder than words.

      • Of course. I call out misandry whenever or wherever I see it.

        There’s always some bs rationale behind her decisions, like “oh, but he doesn’t mind” or “he’s so bad at managing his money”. Unfortunately, the guy is one of the most pussy whipped men I’ve ever seen. He’s 24, has a good apprenticeship, but has swallowed the entire feminist ideology hook, line, and sinker.

        • The other reason men swallow the feminist agenda, is if they don’t … they can find themselves unemployed and unemployable … by women’s secret gossip network (most people in HR are women).
          That is another reason you need to be very wary of women with lots of friends: they can hurt you if they intend to move on … and can hurt you if YOU intend to move on.

  9. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=MGTOW&defid=7075960

    Look at that definition of MGTOW–I can’t tell if it was written by Forney or futrelle between eating bacon wrapped cheezeburgers and slurping mountian dew or by one of the pro-feminist honey badgers….

    “They’d be perfectly fine with dating one of those exotic, submissive “eastern women” who would do anything they asked (see stereotype).”

    also look at the blatant racism…. just like Marcotte, Forney, Futrelle and Judgy Bitch…

    Fuckers…

  10. Sadly, Stoner, I don’t think that’s really all that paranoid. People’s ideologies can become like religions to them, and zealots of any kind are capable of dangerous or cruel acts.

    • Just look at what has happened to various #GamerGate supporters. They have been doxxed, and in some cases lost their jobs. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see a #GamerGate supporter get murdered eventually. So you aren’t being too paranoid.

      • Men get the SWAT called on them, press don’t mention it. (I consider that attempted murder, as prank calling the SWAT on people can lead to the SWAT killing them.)

        Females are considered a extra human caste, so when they complain the press make a big deal out of it.

  11. Black Pill

    “It’s important to remember that being a conspiracy theorist makes John the Other a tradcon. There are two types of conspiracy theorists. First there are the feminist new agers. David Icke is the most well known of those types. The rest are all tradcons. Unless John the Other was secretly a feminist, being a conspiracy theorist makes him a tradcon.”

    Really ? Why was John the other kicked out by Paul Elam for being against traditionalists trying to hijack MGTOW?

    A lot of people who are not full out conspiracy theorists can fall for certain conspiracy theories.

    Have you watched John the Others videos? He condemns traditionalism full out. He even says it is worse than feminism.

    • Really ? Why was John the other kicked out by Paul Elam for being against traditionalists trying to hijack MGTOW?

      Do we know that John the Other was kicked out of AVFM for being against traditionalism or is that just a guess?

      You copied this comment from AVFM.

      A major goal of feminism is to destroy heterosexual relationships.

      MGTOWs are helping with that.

      That first sentence is something all conspiracy theorists (who aren’t part of the new age/David Icke school of conspiracy theory) believe in, and they believe that it’s being directed by the Rockefellers, the Jews, bankers, aliens, demons, or whoever else they think is behind the conspiracy. Usually, it’s defined as the conspiracy is trying to destroy the family. Defined in those terms, the new age/David Icke school of conspiracy theory believes this too, but they think it’s a good thing as long as gets replaced by something feminist. Thus, conspiracy theory at its core requires conspiracy theorists to be anti-MGTOW whether they’re part of the tradcon half or the new age half.

      No one can be a conspiracy theorist and not be opposed to MGTOW. A tradcon conspiracy theorist will assume that MGTOW is helping to destroy the family. A new age conspiracy theorist will assume that MGTOW is some attempt to force women into patriarchy. That’s it.

      • Mr. Black Pill,

        There are a couple of stories floating around as to why JtO is not part of AVfM-just like the Martin/Zimmerman debacle, we will likely never know what REALLY happened. But that isn’t the bigger issue. The bigger issue is that Elam has shown himself to be a controlling bully and autocrat. He is the antithesis of MGTOW. You saw him throw a shit fit when we POLITELY told him what a cesspool IMF was. You saw him attack Stardusk for a divergent viewpoint that wasn’t submissive to the AVfM groupthink.

        It seems you are looking for a magic quote to make a choice. But I tell ya, look at the bigger picture, look at the choices Elam makes. Putting a traditionalist womyn like Judgy Bitch at a high rank. You are a scientist by training, right? Don’t look for a quote where Elam “incriminates” himself. Look at the trends, look at the “big picture.” The answer that stares back is obvious.

        Fidelbogen had some videos up. His video’s would seem reasonable if one ignored the authoritarian “shoot first” and “ask questions later” mentality of AVfM. IE it would be like calling the US aggressors in WWII if you simply ignored that Pearl Harbor happened and that the average US citizen had an isolationist approach to world politics. (I’m not even going to touch on the fact that US intelligence had advanced warning and knew Pearl Harbor would happen.) He used his flowery language to obscure what is really going on and what is mostly accurate assessments by men labeling themselves as MGTOW. Fidelbogen talks about a MGTOW “club” and then a MGTOW “force of nature”/philosophical movement. I was neither offended or impressed by his video. However, it willfully ignores what Elam/AVfM is obviously doing and that is trying to “control” what MGTOW is for it’s own ends. Yes, MGTOW has strayed from what it once was “Instill masculinity in men”/”femininity in women.” It has seen Barbarosssa and Stardusk rise as the sharpest thinkers on Youtube. And in a year or two, likely it will transmogrify into something else. Perhaps I should dissassociate from anything MGTOW related and simply describe “opting out” as my eprsonal choice to survval in a disfunctional world. However, Elam has shown his true colors several times. He is no friend to low status men. He is a bully and autocrat. Just like Jack Don-0-van, this is someone I will not associate myself with and I hope they both fail at their endevors.

        • It seems you are looking for a magic quote to make a choice.

          No, I’m not. I’m convinced now. The problem before was a lack of time on my part to follow this. Beyond that, where I have an issue is the logic of Elam is bad, therefore JtO is good. Both can be bad for different reasons. JtO’s support of conspiracy theory effectively makes him a tradcon sympathizer at some level regardless of anything Elam did or did not do.

          You are a scientist by training, right?

          I would say engineer rather than scientist, but for our purposes the difference is immaterial. I’m a big believer in reading the source material. It’s why I don’t automatically buy into positions like, “the manosphere has the word, man, in it, therefore it’s pro men and boys”.

        • I am not a control freak, I am not against a voice for men changing their political stance, I am against them being weasels about it, trying to co-opt MGTOW and using the same abusive arguments as feminists.

          They use the same forms of invalidation the feminists use. The arguments they use are nonsensical non sequiturs.

          I never trust people who can’t disagree with me politely. A voice for men and nut jobs like grumpy old man have last my respect.

          The annoying thing is a voice for men is still doing some good things, but I predict that a voice for men will become completely useless and completely co-opted by females.

          Paul is a egotistic nut job as well.

        • Elam has long shown himself to be a bully and control freak. I think it’s in the best interest of low status men that AVfM fails and no trad/feminists like Judgy bitch try to claim they advocate for MGTOW…

        • A voice for men needs to be replaced though. The right wing shit hole called the spearhead is not a good alternative.

          The good articles need to be copied and saved for study.

          The recent articles are of lower quality.

          Suzie is still going on a banning bender.

        • Were you aware that The Spearhead has not been updated in months? That’s a fitting end for it assuming it doesn’t go through more cycles of content followed by abandonment.

        • Haven’t been to the spearhead for over a year. I did check the site out a few more times when I heard the founder got married to a feminist. The site owner was posting about gay sex all the time.(No idea why and what that has to do with feminism.) The commentators where banging on about the left all the time.

          (A lot of right wing nut jobs take their misplaced anger out on gays, while refuse to call out women.)

          A voice for men need to be replaced, but there seems to be no alternative.

        • http://stonerwithaboner.wordpress.com/2013/06/05/the-craphead/

          WTF Price always whines about money—get a fucking job, dudebro. I work, but of course he’s got his race realist but boi’s like C Rudd saying I get a check from the government because-affirmative action. NOT. These guys are bigger crybabies than feminists. Lazy racists. Also, it’s funny because Jack Don-0-van is gay–but as soon as you critique him, all the spearhead loser cry hom-0-phobe. More fakeRA’s along with Bernie Chapin and Fartiste….

  12. Do you believe there exist ANY “good women” anywhere? If yes, what percentage of the female population would you say qualifies?

    • who cares?

      Are you still in the negotiation phase when it comes to women?

      Men need to pull the thumb out of their ass, and start working together in the real world. Build up organization. clubs, support networks without women.

      I think women are a toxic cancer to any organization/entity I think due to women being protected by men, they have had less selective pressures than men from a evolutionary point of view. That means they are maladaptive when it comes to the modern world.

  13. Black Pill

    “JtO’s support of conspiracy theory effectively makes him a tradcon sympathizer at some level regardless of anything Elam did or did not do.”

    I agree most conspiracy theorists tend to be tradcons, also I think John the Other is a bit old, but I think he is just someone who has swallowed a few conspiracy theory’s due to his political beliefs, I don’t think he is a tradcon in any sense of the word.

    • The problem is that whatever his intentions he is helping the tradcons by believing in conspiracy theory. That is a fact for anyone who believes in conspiracy theory unless they believe in the new age variant which means they are helping feminists.

      I definitely think old men are a big part of the problem here. Feminism wasn’t opposed for decades because old men like JtO and Hawaiian Fat Blob were too busy jerking off to conspiracy theories to actually oppose feminism. Other old men were too busy implementing feminism lite among conservatives. Elam appears to fall into this category.

      The good news is that things like #GamerGate have done more to oppose feminism in 3 months than the old men have done in 3 decades. That is the future not the old men.

  14. Roger is a massive mangina has to reply to his bullshit reply.

    According to Alek Novy, nearly all women engage in token resistance. Now we see it is a distinct minority. Good to see statistics. And this is from the 80s, so we can assume it is probably less now, as the times are so much more promiscuous.

    “Promiscuity has nothing to do with token resistance, also are our times more promiscuous from the 80s? A girl who is a slut can still mess a man around and use token resistance.”

    Furthermore, Alek asserts that nearly all women engage in manipulative token resistance, not the relatively innocuous kind that stems from inhibitions or from not yet feeling intimate enough for sex.

    Yet from the 40% who engage in token resistance, probably only a portion are of the manipulative kind, so its even less.

    “Did the study differentiate from manipulative and genuine resistance? WTF? Women tend to be far more experienced than men, they are not blushing shy virgin for fucks shake. Also I think the study is a massive underestimate as I have only met one women who fucked me without messing me about.”

    Well, well, well. Good to see some sanity and reality on this issue.

    Far from men being threatened with a sexless life if they are unwilling, or don’t learn how, to deal with female token resistance, we see that it isn’t a huge problem at all.

    “WTF? When men who don’t push past don’t get any sex, and when they do they risk getting a sexual assault conviction it is not a huge problem? Are you a mangina?”

    Just as I thought.

    Granted, 40% isn’t a minor issue, but its hardly the dominating issue some pretend it is.

    “40% is a massive minority, and it is most likely and under-report as women tend to be less than open about these things. The way you try to down play this is laughable mangina.”

    Alek has reached a point where he is beginning to be more harmful than helpful for men, just as AVFM morphed into something that while does some good things is on the whole bad. Its telling that Alek maintains a strong link to AVFM.

    “Go fuck yourself you cunt. Alek got me laid reading his stuff. You are a pro woman advocate mangina, down playing female sexual violence. (Yes feigned resistance is abusive and a form of sexual violence in the context of this society with false accusations)

    Approaching women with the mindset that they will likely engage in manipulative token resistance can’t help but create an adversarial, guarded atmosphere and barriers to intimacy. It will also hugely increase the likelihood of encounters where the man is harshly rejected as he pushes, leading to male social withdrawal, and possibly depression.

    Its disastrous advice.

    (No it is the only sane advice. Men have got to be careful of passive neurotic women who play games, if men get it wrong, they can end up in prison and raped, so fuck you, wanting men to chase after women like lemmings.)

    Anyways just wanted to point that out. I’ve had my little say and you guys can go on with your conversation.

    (Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on your way out mangina.)

  15. Your anger suggests you aren’t sure of your position. It’s the same with Alek – his constant hysterical anger and complete inability to politely respond to criticism suggests deep insecurity. He also tries to be a bully.

    1) You’re right, promiscuity doesn’t mean anything. I meant slut culture is far more advanced than it was in the 80s, and there is far less stigma for women to jump in bed with a man at the drop of a hat.

    2) The study did not differentiate. Women, in my experience, are far shyer and socially afraid than men. Plenty of women have inhibitions about going home with a guy they just met if they don’t feel comfortable with him yet.

    3) 99% of women who had sex with me did so without any bullshit. Plenty of times a particular move of mine was rejected simply because she wasn’t comfortable enough yet for that level of intimacy, but she made it clear she liked me and wanted to stay. Had she not, I would have been out of there.

    That both you and Alek are dealing with such huge amounts of bullshit from women STRONGLY suggests there is something wrong with your attitude/approach, and this is a perfect illustration of how Alek’s advice hurts guys. If you approach women in an adversarial way – as yours and Aleks assumptions can’t help but make you do – you will elicit adversarial reactions from her. Its basic human psychology. She might still be attracted to you, but you will now have to deal with defensive reactions on her part.

    Trust me, I’ve experienced this a million times. When I used to approach women in a much more confrontational or defensive way, I elicited bullshit from them. I would still sometimes get them, but women respond in kind to what you bring. It took immense courage to approach women with “defenses down”, as it were, with nothing confrontational or defensive in my attitude, but doing so has made my interactions with women genuinely pleasant and easy.

    I think its obvious that Alek has serious anger issues and huge amounts of bitterness towards women (I’m not saying unjustified) and to believe that none of this leaks out with women, or shapes his approahes to them, is to defy logic and common sense. There is no doubt in my mind that Alek, and clearly you as well, are elciting defensive reactions from women by your own arrogance (jn Aleks case) and adversarial attitudes/emotions, which cannot help but express themselves.

    4) 40% is a large minority, granted, but it is a minority. Still a FAR cry from nearly all women as Alek would have it. However, of that 40%, at least half are probably girls who are attracted to a guy but aren’t comfortable yet to be intimate ’cause he moved too fast so I wouldn’t call that token resistance. Genuine token resistance of the manipulative kind, like Alek was talking about, is at best 20%. Not a major issue for guys.

    5) Alek helped me with girls too, although I was getting laid before him. I recognize his value, for all that can often be a hysterical bully. I even like and appreciate Alek, despite his childish cursing and insults. But there is a time to move on and a time to realize when someone is “stuck” and has now become a drag on you.

    I now have enough experience to see where Alek is wrong.

    Alek’s value is primarily to help you get out of game, although you have to be on that path yourself already. No one gets someone else out of game – they just help, at best.

    But Alek’s positive advice about picking up girls is not just wrong, it’s harmful. He over-complicates things that are simple and intuitive, adding confusion. (really? In a crowded bar when you’re drunk you have a chance to notice such fine details like whether a girl is flicking her hair around you? And you can walk past her a bunch of times? Please)

    But worst of all, 1) his advice will make you approach girls in an adversarial way, practically ensuring that you will get no friendly eye contact (which he claims doesn’t happen, or happens for .5 of a second. I get stares in clubs and bars. I get prolonged eye contact and smiles. And I’m not particularly good looking. Alek is just wrong) and will have to deal with token resistance 2) By continuing when a girl is showing no obvious interest or even disinterest you are much more likely to get harsh rejections, leading to blows to your self-esteem. 3) Alek’s advice makes men act without self-respect as they persist despite signs of disinterest or indifference. If she can’t give you a hook, any self-respecting man should bail.

    6) You misunderstood my point. It’s Aleks advice that will get you into trouble – my advice is back off if she shows any resistance whatsoever that isn’t accopanied by clear evidence that she likes you and wants you to stay (like she refuses your kiss but smiles and puts her hand around your waist), and don’t talk to her for 5-10 minutes (!) if she is utterly nonchalant/disinterested. That’s insane

    Now I’ve had my say. And dude, there is no reason to get so angry. It’s just a conversation.

    • I love it when passive aggressive twerps like you passively aggressively tell people not to be angry.

      Women are on average far more experienced when it comes to sex than men. They have more sexual power.

      I am rude to you because you are a disingenuous weasel. You are putting words in Alek’s mouth.

      If you follow Alek’s advice you don’t waste time with women who mess you about, do you not get that? I think you do get that, so you have falsely reframe his position.

      Does Alek advocate hitting on girls who show no interest? You are not even making any sense. You have such little respect for people, that yo have to put words in their mouth like a puppet.

      I told you to fuck off before, not hit the road.

  16. The church also blames single, virgin, unmarried men for any virgin women in their 30s who don’t have a man. Everything is the man’s fault, according to most of the church today. I love the double think of the manosphere. They are screaming about how the church is being taken over by feminism. They then turn around and shame and attack single, virgin, unmarried men like me. They act as though there is a woman for every man, but not a man for every woman. On the Dalrock manosphere blog, I got falsely accused of never even trying to get a wife. A Christian accuses me of acting like God is going to sh** me out a wife. He and some other guy screams, claiming that they know many virgin women in their 30s. After I gave some background on where I come from and said it may be too late for me to have a wife, that is when the name-calling, insults, and false accusations started. I thought they would be smart enough to know that I was mostly referring to having a biological child with no birth defects. I am well aware I could even sort of do a woman even in my 60s, as I have read about.. I bet if those women in their 30s rejected me, it would be all my fault, and still be my fault, that those women could not get a man. The manosphere has become just like feminism.

    These manosphere guys falsely accuse me of saying that I have no life and/or I have given up on life. So, by only having a wife, I have a life?????? Nothing else give me a life??????

    Quote by Pastor R.G. Lee: “Search the pages of the Bible all you will; study history all you please. And you will find one truth that stands out above some other truths. What is that truth? The truth that the spiritual life of a nation, city, town, school, church, or home never rises any higher than the spiritual life of women. When women sag morally and spiritually, men sag morally and spiritually. When women slump morally and spiritually, men slip morally and spiritually. When women take the downward road men travel with them. When women are lame morally and spiritually, men limp morally and spiritually. The degeneracy of womanhood helps the decay of manhood.”

    The above quote is from this: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books,%20Tracts%20&%20Preaching/Printed%20Sermons/Pay_day_someday_r_g_lee.htm

    The quote make sense because a man has got to do whatever it takes to get laid right? That is the only way to prove his manhood right?

      • In the typical horseshit way women weasel out and say you are guilty for asking about the quality of their character:
        They’re “spiritual virgins” because only a bad man judges women on whether she’s physically a virgin.
        If Jesus can forgive her, why can’t you? /sarcasm

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