The Paleo-Game Cult

My experience with game and gamers started out with gamers in the “Roissysphere”, gamer bloggers who followed the blog of Roissy, a gamer who now goes my the name of Heartiste.  As a MRA (mens’ rights advocate), the only reason I cared about game was because of the gamers who had invaded MRM (Mens’ Rights Movement) blogs.  All of them were Roissysphere gamers.  I had no interest in game so I never looked at non-Roissysphere gamers except in the few cases those gamers expressed support for feminism.  My picture of all gamers were that they were insane and in many cases possibly suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.  I understood gamers to be this way in part because of the other things they were all obsessed with such as the paleo diet and conspiracy theory.  Thanks to men like Alek Novy, a former gamer who had experience with the whole of the gamer community, I realized that my impressions of gamers didn’t apply to gamers who weren’t in the Roissysphere.  (In fact, Roissy/Heartiste is a name that 99% of gamers have never heard of.)

A typical non-Roissysphere gamer is only interested in getting laid and improving his social skills.  There is nothing wrong with this by itself.  Game doesn’t exist so it will not help with those two goals.  Getting involved with game will only make those two goals harder.  (Remember that gamers get laid as much as I do.  That is, they don’t get laid.)  Having those two goals in of themselves does not make a man insane bordering on (or outright having) paranoid schizophrenia.  While I disagree with them because there are no facts showing game exists/works, they are harmless because they aren’t connecting game to an ideology.  The Roissysphere gamer is a different animal because he connects game to an ideology.  (A lot of feminists are now attempting to connect game to feminism to create “non-misogynitic game” which has the same problem, but that is a subject for another page.)  It is necessary to strenously oppose the Paleo-Game Cult because they are invading MRM blogs and derailing the progress of the MRM.

There is something very unique about the Roissysphere gamer.  The Roissysphere gamer has an ideology that includes several other things.  I call this ideology The Paleo-Game Cult.  It is a cult because the paleo-gamers treat it like a religion and excessively enforce their ideology in a manner consistent with The Inquisition from the Middle Ages as much as can be done online.  The Paleo-Game Cult includes the following in its ideology.

  1. Roissyite Game (this is distinct from most of the game community)
  2. The Paleo Diet
  3. Meaningless “Self Improvement” (This means self improvement without objective metrics.)
  4. Conspiracy Theory (This can include everything from 9/11 & New World Order conspiracy theories to conspiracy theories about individuals such as myself.)
  5. Collapse Porn/Compusive Doomsaying
  6. Ron Paul as some sort of “secular messiah” (This is distinct from the Libertarian Party and libertarianism as a political movement.)
  7. White Nationalism or some degree of racism and/or anti-semitism
  8. A belief that their “truth” is superior to science and an opposition to scientific inquiry and experimental evidence when it comes to their ideology (a similarity they share with creationists)

I will expand on these points as needed in future blog posts and link them here.  Many of these eight things already intersect with each other to a high degree outside of the Paleo-Game cult (i.e. many conspiracy theories involve the Jews so that intersects with anti-semitism) so it makes sense that they would intersect here.  The Paleo-Game cult adds the paleo diet and game to this intersection.  The paleo diet is a form of opposition to modern medicine which is common with the conspiracy theory-collapse porn-Ron Paul messiah-racism/anti-semitism-anti-science intersection.  It also allows members of the Paleo-Game cult to believe the delusion that they are fighting back against whoever they think is ruling the world without any real work on their own part.  It’s similar with their belief in game.

Members of the Paleo-Game Cult have accomplished nothing in the real world.  Unmarried members of the cult have failed to pickup women.  Married members of the cult say that game has improved their marriages, but can’t show any evidence or difference in their marriages because they haven’t done anything.  They can’t even setup simple scientific experiments to prove game.  Despite being on the paleo diet, they can’t lose weight and get healthy.  They can’t take any action against the “super evil conspiracy they believe runs the world” and come up with a myriad of excuses for their inaction on this front.  Unemployment and severe underemployment is commonplace among members of the Paleo-Game Cult.  They rant against the modern workplace (which to be honest has a lot of problems), but they are either stuck in it in low wage jobs or out of it via unemployment.  They are incapable of escaping the modern workplace they detest by starting their own business because they can’t produce goods or services that have actual value.  All they can do is rant on the internet.

Many members of the Paleo-Game Cult are running a scam by selling game books and DVDs.  This is a scam because they are selling game which doesn’t exist.  All of the game products out there, the books and DVDs produced by Paleo-Game Cult members are a tiny fraction in terms of sales.  Compared to the sales of books by Neil Strauss, Mystery, or any of the other well known gamers, the products produced by the Paleo-Game Cult members are a blip or a rounding error.  It’s likely that Paleo-Game Cult game products haven’t been sold to people outside of the Paleo-Game Cult.  The sale of game products is effectively a pyramid scheme, and the Paleo-Game Cult is at the bottom of the pyramid that gets the most screwed by the pyramid scheme.

It is likely that there is a high degree of insecurity among Paleo-Game members.  They feel a compulsive need to write reams of blog posts talking about how successful they are with game and the paleo diet and other subjects like conspiracy theory.  Their insecurity is also present in the ossification and Inquisition like enforcement of their ideas against anyone who disagrees with them.  If the Paleo-Game Cult was about the truth like they say, then there would be more dissenting ideas among Paleo-Game members whether the disagreements are minor or major.  For example, look at how the Paleo-Game Cult treats conspiracy theory.  Since they are not part of the conspiracy they believe exists, they can’t know for sure if that conspiracy exists or if it does, what that conspiracy is doing.  There should be dissent among them about whether the conspiracy exists and about the nature of that conspiracy for those who believe it exists.  Instead, it’s all “Here is 432nd way that the Rockefellers enslave us.”  There’s no debate whether that’s true or whether the Rockefellers have anything to do with the conspiracy at all.  The members of the Paleo-Game Cult have to convince themselves they know everything to deal with their insecurity even to the absurd point that they know all the ins and outs of a secret conspiracy none of them are a part of.

This page is a work in progress and a first draft that I wanted to get out there.  I’m looking for some reasoned feedback.  Already, I have realized that I need to discuss more about game getting connected to ideologies.  Feminists have an interest in game to create a “non-sexist PUA” that effectively works in the same way that the Paleo-Game Cult treats game and is a weapon against the MRM.  I also have realized that a page on the “female auxiliary” of the Paleo-Game Cult.  I anticipate plenty of edits and additions and other pages covering related subjects.

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  6. It’s interesting how you sound just as stupid as the people you criticize.
    Regarding game, I admit reading that kind of blogs in the past. Yes, most of Game blogs are moronic. Still, I have nothing to say against people who want to improve their sexual lives. I tried to improve it, it got better (though obviously not in that level of Alpha God most PUAs like to talk about).
    Why do you criticize Paleo diet? I’m talking for myself, but losing more than 30 pounds and being fit and healthy for the first time of my life is one of the best things that ever happened to me. And a lot of friends, both men and women, have tried it and got similar results. It’s not a matter of opinion, just plain evidence, checked by medical records.
    Maybe you don’t like the fact that people from these two camps are invading MRM blogs. I can understand that, but criticizing the Paleo diet and the idea of improving one’s sexual life is one of the most stupid things I’ve ever heard. Mystery-level idiocy.

    • Why do you criticize Paleo diet? I’m talking for myself, but losing more than 30 pounds

      You don’t get it. Nobody says you can’t lose any weight for any time on a fad diet.

      All fad diets are known for causing temporary weight-displacement. However, none of them appear on any long-term study for long-term success. People always A) plateau past the initial weightloss B) are unable to keep doing it long-term and just gain it all back

      and being fit and healthy

      -> What’s your BMI
      -> What’s your shoulder circumference
      -> What’s your waist circumference?

  7. A better question than BMI, shoulder, and waist is change in those numbers, is it not?

    Fad diet – somehow, what we’ve eaten for thousands of years, minus a 50 year blip, doesn’t strike me as a fad. But to each his own.

    • A better question than BMI, shoulder, and waist is change in those numbers, is it not?

      Going from horrible to bad is not success and is an indicator one is doing things wrong.

      Fad diet – somehow, what we’ve eaten for thousands of years, minus a 50 year blip

      You missed a few zeroes. Agriculture is thousands of years old. Paleo doesn’t just restrict processed foods – in fact that’s what the mainstream health advice says. The mainstream advice tells you to minimize foods invented in the 20 th century.

      Paleo goes a step further and tells you to avoid foods we started eating 5000 years ago. It’s called the paleo diet my friend, not the “1950s diet”.

      • Going from horrible to bad is not success and is an indicator one is doing things wrong.

        On top of that, paleo dieters are notoriously unreliable when it comes to reporting results of the paleo diet like with the time one of them had chest pains, but declared the paleo diet to be working.

        Paleo goes a step further and tells you to avoid foods we started eating 5000 years ago. It’s called the paleo diet my friend, not the “1950s diet”.

        That is what the paleo diet says. Puzzled is playing the same shell game that I have seen Hawaiian Fat Blob pay about what the paleo diet actually says. This alone tells us that paleo is bullshit.

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  10. I think I am going to really like reading your blog and getting a lot of value out of it. I want to take the red/black pill. But I do think you are deluded about various things. I don’t know how you define “gaming” but I know that people who enter the community and commit to learning usually do end up getting laid or whatever it was they sought. It is simple as if you pursue a goal you generally get said goal. I am not part of that ridiculous community anymore, I was though a long long while back, then repented and I am still doing penance. You can believe me or not. If you don’t, you only prove how paranoid you are.

    Anyway they do have success, though not for the esoteric ridiculous reasons they believe. They simply
    1. pursue that which they set out for, and invest energy and attention in a goal
    2. learn how to flirt with women (though they have fancy words to disguise it)
    3. learn how to read women’s body language to realize a girl is interested in them. Some men don’t even know this!
    4. Sometimes they get laid just because they learn to persevere with any given woman without abandoning the attempts
    5. perhaps some other misc reasons

    And of course the power to make any given women desire you and go to bed with you does not and will never exist.

    But these are a sampling of what I think are the real reasons why they might be getting laid more- and I do believe that many there succeed beyond your wildest imagination. But I think that the causes are not esoteric or mystic or secret, as they are deluded into thinking, or that they even have the slightest idea what is going on in a woman’s head and heart when they are talking to her (breaking their hearts actually in the process and eroding our culture).

    And in fact, really all the former reasons I mentioned are something a father figure was meant to teach. Really the reason they turn to gaming is they lack a salient father figure who was both powerful and good (and present) to bestow these traits on them as sons. So they invent a community and raise up various sociopaths as surrogate father figure idols. that is my take. I have compassion on them. Some of them like me got in because they didn’t know where else to go and the water looked inviting. If they had known all along what the truth was about or where else to get the power, they would have gone there. http://www.xamuel.com/seduction-community/
    Many are like this and many eject from the community.

    There are psychopaths for sure there- and those ones will be there long term, until they die probably, and they are the leaders. That’s all I can say. But for my dear readers- for personal reflection, I say: Be wary of envy, dissatisfaction and discontentment, especially envy, lest you be led into blindness. when you realize they are getting laid- be wary of envy. judgement and justice will surely come to those upon whom it is appointed- both the users and the enviers. My humble .02

    • I don’t know how you define “gaming”

      I would define it as anyone who considers themselves part of the game community. That being said, if you read through my archives, often when I was talking about gamers, I really mean either Roissyite gamers of the Paleo-Game Cult subset of the Roissyite gamers. My first exposure to game was via the Roissyite gamers so my picture of game was equivalent of trying to get a picture of the human race by studying a mental insitution. I got the incorrect view that gamers were these insane conspiracy theorists who constantly lie. It wasn’t until much later that I learned that the Roissyite gamers were not representative of the game community. What happened was the Roissyite gamers invaded the MRM. Had it not been for that invasion I would never have heard of game or sought out something like that. My opposition to game is almost all about the Roissyite gamers who have invaded the MRM to promote their insane form of game. As a MRA who wants to get real anti-feminism done, I’m opposed to the Roissyite gamer invasion because they are hindering the progress of mens rights.

      It’s important to remember that the Roissyite gamer is much different than the typical gamer. Roissyite gamers believe in a multitude of conspiracy theories and other kook ideas like white supremacism. It’s pretty obvious that Roissyite gamers don’t leave the house much and only communicate with people who have similar mental illness to them which means that they aren’t getting laid. Roissyite gamers also have severe problems with unemployment and underemployment because of their mental pathologies. This is radically different than the typical gamer who just is just a normal guy who wants to get laid.

      Beyond the Roissyite gamers I do have a problem with gamers like Neil Strauss who promote feminism. It’s also obvious to me that game doesn’t work in general. All I have to do is watch this video of Mystery for proof of that. However, in some ways that is beside the point because my concern is for the success of the MRM not whether game works or not.

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  12. As a recovering lawyer, I admire you for jumping to conclusions with absolutely no facts to support your bare assertions! Gamers never get laid? NEVER?!! Everybody gets laid, unless they are fat nerdy geeks with zero social skills, etc. I am no advocate of any particular game theory, but I do recognize tidbits of truth in what various game blogs have to say. In short, their advice sometimes has the ring of truth about it. And real life has shown that it does in fact “work” with certain specific women in my life. Women hate clingers. Women love a challenge. Women love it when men are aloof and they have to chase teh man. Women dig it when men work out and become muscular and non-fatties, women dig manly men, etc. etc. If these truths fly over your head and you don’t recognize them as the God’s Gospel Truth then that speaks volumes towards your “intelligence.”

    • Gamers never get laid? NEVER?!!

      I was involved with the local seduction community for almost a decade. The conferences and seminars were like celibacy monk conferences.

      Btw

      1) The sentence “no gamers ever get laid” doesn’t appear on this page. I tried to find it or something similar doing a control-find

      2) He was talking about online-gamers, you know the guys running blogs about game and spending 8 hours a day talking about it

      In the case of online-gamers, the statement “they never ever ever get laid” is absolutely true, 100%. Some gamers do get laid, but those are the same ones who don’t even know what a blog is or have a forum membership.

    • As a recovering lawyer, I admire you for jumping to conclusions with absolutely no facts to support your bare assertions! Gamers never get laid? NEVER?!! Everybody gets laid, unless they are fat nerdy geeks with zero social skills, etc.

      If you actually read this blog, you would find lots of documented evidence of what I say. Alek was involved with the game “community” for over a decade, and he confirms this. The Roissyite gamers spend all day, every day, online. They can’t be getting laid. It’s physically impossible.

      As for the non-online gamers, they’re only getting as laid as much as they were before game.

      I am no advocate of any particular game theory, but I do recognize tidbits of truth in what various game blogs have to say. In short, their advice sometimes has the ring of truth about it…Women dig it when men work out and become muscular and non-fatties

      You needed game to tell you that women are not attracted to obesity??? That’s not game. That’s common sense. Basic knowledge like “women are attracted to hot guys” isn’t game.

      • You needed game to tell you that women are not attracted to obesity??? That’s not game. That’s common sense. Basic knowledge like “women are attracted to hot guys” isn’t game.

        As you know from seeing me debate from gamers, this is how the debates end. I usually rip apart their bullshit one element at a time, until at the end of the debate the gamers are left with only common sense shit.

        At the end of the debate they’re left saying things like. “leaving the house is game”, “touching women and looking deep into their eyes is game”, and my favorite “showering is game”.

        Game is 90% scam my bullshit, 5% general personal development, 5% general common sense flirting advice.

        This is why after I publicly humiliate these dumbasses on the 90%, they’re left saying that common sense is “game”. As I usually joke “next thing gamers will claim they invented sliced bread and gyms”.

  13. Why the hostility towards gamers? If you think that they are worthless and not getting laid, why not just move along? Attention whore? Beta who doesn’t like getting called beta? I really don’t get it. I could give a shit what you think but I am curious, now that I stumbled upon your blog…

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  15. Dispatch from the front line:

    Today I learned that the failures of the paleo-diet are due to low-stomach acid.

    That’s correct.

    This dispatch is to inform you, Mr.BP, that the paleo diet is “FLAWLESS” if followed correctly, this includes daily shots of….LEMON JUICE….to facilitate paleo diet weight loss.

    This concludes the dispatch. Remember, hunter gatherers in ancient Europe had access to lemon juice to increase stomach acid levels.

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  20. Came across this tid-bit on Roosh being a money-grubbing-scam-artist that you might find interesting:

    “While I don’t know dick about Denmark, this guy does: http://www.boytoystory.com/get-girls/ And he bashes Roosh as a loser PUA more intent on selling books than actually getting people laid. The sole reason is that Roosh doesn’t get laid as much as he wants you to think. He’s out to sell books and generate money from his websites and little more.”
    (http://novelandmundane.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/goodbye-roosh.html)

    And another bit on a commentor ‘YaReally’ who is supposedly an promoter of RSD (some ‘dating advice’ site called ‘Real Social Dynamics’, which I’d never heard of before):
    “it’s now my firm belief that Chateau Heartiste is being paid by RSD to allow their employee YaReally, to incessantly post RSD’s traffic-generating customer acquisition promotional videos in Chateau comments. Consider these points:

    – The Chateau is prime real estate for the pickup industry; perhaps the most choice piece of real estate that exists.

    – Right around the same time that Roissy passed the reigns to his inexperienced heirs, YaReally arrived on the scene.

    – Out of ALL the thousands of pickup companies internationally, ONLY ONE gets its promotional videos posted on the Chateau. Don’t you know that ALL the pickup companies would love to be afforded the same opportunity. Yet, we never see their videos. In fact, if the Chateau sold advertising on its site, we would see nothing but pickup industry ads. And yet, only one pickup company gets its videos posted on EVERY game post.

    – How many websites in ANY industry, on ANY topic, would allow a third party to incessantly post commercial promotional videos for a separate business venture in their site’s comments? It’s unheard of. In fact, I’ve only EVER seen it at the Chateau.

    – But here’s the death knell. Ya just let the cat out of the bag by making the asinine argument that RSD once had to charge for knowledge because only DVD technology was available. But now, with YouTube, they can give it away for free (because they LOVE YOU! Weeeeee!!!). Nigga, please. I suppose RSD also had to charge $500 for their DVDs in the past because YouTube hadn’t been invented. ”
    (http://xsplat.wordpress.com/2013/08/03/prediction-6-months-left-for-rvf/#comment-8863)

    • Right around the same time that Roissy passed the reigns to his inexperienced heirs

      AAB: Come on dude! Do you really believe that it’s not the same Roissy? People in the gullibleosphere are naive enough to really believe that Roissy has outsourced the blog to a new “team” of underling writers, but around here we don’t believe in those types of conspiracies.

      Why would a team of people write for a free blog totally uncredited under the original blog owner’s name? Is the original Roissy paying them? If so, how is he generating the money to pay them in his mid-level bureaucratic job? His site has no ads and only relatively recently gained a donation button. How do the new people mimic his art of embarassingly flowery language and relentlessly mixing metaphors so well? And who manages the twitter feed? If it’s a different group running the blog, why did Roissy’s ex-buddy call him out for changing into a racist loon:
      https://omegavirginrevolt.wordpress.com/2012/12/21/gamers-have-options-other-than-roissy/

      What happened is obvious. He got publicly outed by a chick. He then had to tone it down some because now his name was associated with his blog. Around the time he got outed, he starts this rumor about a new team of blog writers as a way of distancing the blog from his real identity. Then one day he “fakes his blog death” without any announcement and erects his brand new identical site. Now, under the belief that he safely severed his blog life from his real identity, he really lets the racism and political hackery cut loose. It’s all just a big ploy for the guy to regain some of the protective anonymity he lost from the original outing.

      But it’s the same guy. And the writing hasn’t gotten worse, just more honest. It’s openly political and racist now instead of being covert.

      Black Pill, for your next gullibleosphere article can you discuss the ridiculous belief that Roissy is “retired” and there is now a new team of ghostwriters toiling away to keep the site alive?

      • Black Pill, for your next gullibleosphere article can you discuss the ridiculous belief that Roissy is “retired” and there is now a new team of ghostwriters toiling away to keep the site alive?

        Sure. Not only is it a ridiculous idea, but it’s worse than that when you think about how often I have been accused of being everyone from PMAFT to Alek Novy to every other anti-gamer out there. Given the track record of the so called manosphere, it’s a guarantee that when they say that two people are the same person they’re wrong and that when they say that one person is really two people (like they do here by trying to convince us that current Roissy and old Roissy are two different people) they’re also wrong. In other words the idea that they are multiple Roissys is the same ludicrous idea that all anti-gamers are the same person, just in reverse.

      • “Do you really believe that it’s not the same Roissy?”

        Honestly, I’ve no idea. It doesn’t bother me one way or the other because I don’t read his site for advice on ‘how to score’. But he does have some goods pieces on the nature of women, like how they put on weight ‘after’ they’ve snared their man/husband. (http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/10/26/marriage-does-a-body-bad/) The only reason that I posted it is because I stumbled across it, and knew that BP has an interest as uncovering the ‘Game’ industry as a scam, that’s all. Just trying to be helpful. Whether Roissy is or isn’t a ‘new author’ doesn’t make any difference. The only thing that matters is whether or not the advice is useful or not.

  21. game exists if you ask me. though what game is is kind of a blurry definition. for me game is more like a broad set of ideas that the masses use to define them as a whole. for me game was as simple as being more assertive and respecting myself more, boom results.

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