Recently Grizzly said the following.
There’s a disturbing meme I’ve been seeing growing lately, and was wondering what you thought of it. Paul Elam himself even raised it here. There are people who are hearing the critiques of the manosphere and even agree with them, but are viewing them as a necessary evil, as being “better than nothing.” It makes me wonder what will happen if this idea gets traction, the idea that a conspiracy kook gamer blog is a better option than being a regular mainstream joe.
I responded to this with a comment pointing out how this was counterproductive for something that wants to be a successful political movement since I suspect that for every kook gained, the MRM loses hundreds of mainstream joes. (And that is on top of the fact that the kooks are not capable of achieving their own goals.) The more I think about, it’s actually worse than this. This is because the red pill idea is fundamentally flawed.
Elam and others believe that to be against feminism and understand mens rights, you have to take the “red pill”. Only a tiny group of people have taken the “red pill” so they believe that the vast majority of people are “blue pills” which among other things means that they’re feminists. The only way to go from “blue pill” to “red pill” is some major transformation in thinking according to the “red pills”. The “red pill” takers can include all sorts of nutjobs as long as they can talk about how they have gone through this supposed transformation. The first problem with this is the assumption that most men are “blue pill” feminists. While almost all women are either feminists or de facto feminists, that isn’t true of men. I have talked to plenty of mainstream joes IRL and in almost all cases, they understood to varying degrees just how much trouble feminism causes. This is particularly true of men under the age of 35 or so. They weren’t “blue pills”, not by a long shot. They don’t need a mental transformation into becoming a “red pill”.
There is no need to focus on mentally transforming men for the most part. They are there more or less. What they need isn’t a bunch of rubbish about pill colors, but organization and a vehicle so that they can engage in real action against feminism. With all of the mainstream joes I have talked to, the two most common things I hear are, “I thought I was the only one” and “since I’m not the only one, where I can sign up to do something?” Unfortunately, I have no answer to give to the latter question. I can’t send them to the manosphere because seeing all the kooks there would be the one thing to convince to become feminist manginas. All this colored pill rubbish has redirected time and energy to unnecessary crap while ignoring the real need from organization and action.
The “red pill” idea by its very nature attracts kooks. It’s not about targeting a specific problem, but how everything you know about the world is wrong. This is why the “red pills” talk a lot about how if you took the red pill in one area, like feminism, you should take it in a bunch of others. The fact that many men don’t take the red pill in areas beyond feminism is a big complaint among the “red pills”. Here is an example.
This brings us to the next problem with the red pill. It is never ending. Someone can always come up with another kook idea that should be added to the red pill. The paleo dieters can say that you need to include the paleo diet to truly take the red pill. The white supremacists will say that you need to become a racist to take the red pill. The conspiracy theorists will say that you need to believe the Rockefellers are behind everything to truly take the red pill. The anti-semitic conspiracy theorists will say that you believe the Jews are behind everything to truly take the red pill and so on. There’s always someone who can claim that they have taken a bigger red pill than you. Of course, when the red pill gets too big you choke on it.
The biggest problem with the “red pill” is that it creates a clique since you end up having to believe a bunch of kook crap to join in. Anyone who is interested in mens rights and fighting feminism, but not the kook crap is an enemy of the “red pills”. In fact, the “red pills” are so paranoid, they think that men interested in mens rights and anti-feminism but not their kook crap (in other words mainstream joes) is a shill working for corporations and/or the government. This delays the formation of a broad based mainstream mens rights movement which we need if we’re going to challenge feminism.
All of this is on top of the fact that the creator of the red pill idea was a mangina who decided to chop off his dick and go transsexual to become a woman. From any angle you want to look at it, the red pill idea is completely screwed up and detrimental to the cause of mens rights and fighting feminism.